Europe -- not the US or China -- Publishes the Most AI Research Papers (qz.com)

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Europe -- not the US or China -- Publishes the Most AI Research Papers (qz.com)

Posted by msmash on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @05:21AM from the ai-race dept.

The popular narrative around artificial intelligence research is that it's mainly a war between China and the United States. Not so fast, says Europe. From a report: New data released today (Dec. 12; PDF file) by the AI Index, a project to track the advancement of artificial intelligence, shows a trend of Europe releasing more papers than either the US or China. The data was assembled from Scopus, a citation database owned by scientific publishing company Elsevier. If the current trend continues, China will soon overtake Europe in the number of papers published. The number of papers out of China grew 17% in 2017, compared to a 13% increase in the US, and 8% in Europe.

Europe boasts top universities doing work in AI, such as Oxford, University College London, and ETH Zurich, in addition to being home to branches of tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon. Alphabet's DeepMind operates out of London, and French president Emmanuel Macron has been particularly bullish on AI in Europe. Since being elected in 2017, he has already laid out initiatives to bolster the amount of research and corporate AI stationed in France. [...] The AI Index report credits the huge 70% increase in Chinese AI papers in 2008 to a government program promoting long-term research in artificial intelligence through 2020.

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We are falling behind... by 110010001000 · 2018-12-12 05:26 · Score: 2, Funny

...on publishing AI research papers. Get to work people!
1. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:33 · Score: 0
  
  Here's my paper:
  AI in todays world
  AI is stupod.
  By AC
2. Re:We are falling behind... by Tablizer · 2018-12-12 05:46 · Score: 1
  
  ...on publishing AI research papers. Get to work people!
  I did, see my sig. Next!
  
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3. Re:We are falling behind... by jellomizer · 2018-12-12 05:49 · Score: 0
  
  Were Americans, We implement we don't do research. We will wait for an AI research paper on having AI write AI Research Papers and we will implement an army of computers to write Research papers for us and we will be #1 again.
  
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4. Re:We are falling behind... by 110010001000 · 2018-12-12 05:50 · Score: 1
  
  Impressive. Who is next to publish?
5. Re:We are falling behind... by 110010001000 · 2018-12-12 05:51 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  I just outsource my AI paper publishing to the Chinese.
6. Re:We are falling behind... by ShanghaiBill · 2018-12-12 05:57 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  If you look at high impact AI research, the leader is not the US, Europe, or China.
  It is Canada.
  Geoff Hinton is at the University of Toronto. Yoshua Bengio works in Montreal. Univ of BC has been a leader in computer vision. Most of the seminal work on deep learning, GANs, etc. was done in Canada.
7. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:01 · Score: 0
  
  Impressive. Who is next to publish?
  Representatives or fans of other data-structures: Listilizer, Treeilizer, Stackalizer, Hashilizer, Settilizer, Directedgraphilizer, Kleinbottlizer, Breathilizer, Fertilizer...
8. Re:We are falling behind... by 110010001000 · 2018-12-12 06:03 · Score: 0
  
  Wow, Geoff Hinton? Yoshua Bengio? I forgot about them. You are right. They are very high impact. Right up there with the creator of Eliza.
9. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:10 · Score: 0
  
  ...on publishing AI research papers. Get to work people!
  Get to work... on writing an AI that can generate AI papers!
10. Re:We are falling behind... by 110010001000 · 2018-12-12 06:13 · Score: 1
  
  That is easy: just write a random sentence generator with the following words as input: Classification, Deep, Learning, Neural, Networks, Processing, Speech, Vision, Sparse, Weighted, Infer.
11. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:35 · Score: 0
  
  I'm working on an AI that publishes AI research papers.
  Take that, Europe!
12. Re:We are falling behind... by Micah+NC · 2018-12-12 06:54 · Score: 1
  
  Wait, are you suggesting how *many* is not as important as how *good* ?
13. Re:We are falling behind... by ShanghaiBill · 2018-12-12 07:23 · Score: 1
  
  Right up there with the creator of Eliza.
  How many 9 dan Go grandmasters have been defeat by Eliza?
14. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:38 · Score: 0
  
  Geoff Hinton is British, living in Canada doesn't change that.
15. Re:We are falling behind... by Tablizer · 2018-12-12 07:40 · Score: 1
  
  Representatives or fans of other data-structures: Listilizer, Treeilizer, Stackalizer, Hashilizer, Settilizer, Directedgraphilizer, Kleinbottlizer, Breathilizer, Fertilizer...
  You are mocking me...
  And I like it!
  - Tablizer
  
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16. Re:We are falling behind... by Tablizer · 2018-12-12 07:50 · Score: 1
  
  If you look at high impact AI research, the leader is not the US, Europe, or China. It is Canada.
  So South Park was right about Canadians & Mormons taking over the world? Missionary bots with Canadian accents will soon be knocking on your door in the middle of dinner, handing out the Kindle of Mormon.
  
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17. Re:We are falling behind... by cascadingstylesheet · 2018-12-12 07:52 · Score: 1
  
  I just outsource my AI paper publishing to the Chinese.
  That's nothing ... I just outsource my AI paper publishing to AI itself.
  (What good is AI if it can't write research papers???)
18. Re:We are falling behind... by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:28 · Score: 2
  
  Who is "we?" There is a unit mismatch in the premise.
  Europe isn't a country, it is a region. When they decide to become a single country, then they'll be one.
  To make this story honest, they need to add in Canada and Mexico to the US score. Then they'll have a reasonable comparison by region.
  If China should be grouped with Australia and Japan or not, I don't know.
19. Re:We are falling behind... by Quirkz · 2018-12-12 08:28 · Score: 1
  
  I fed 1000 AI research papers to an AI, and you'll never believe what it came up with!
  
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20. Re:We are falling behind... by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:30 · Score: 1
  
  That's the big lie in comparing a region to a country; the country is probably also part of a region, and the work may be distributed across certain borders without any barrier.
21. Re:We are falling behind... by ShanghaiBill · 2018-12-12 08:31 · Score: 1
  
  Geoff Hinton is British, living in Canada doesn't change that.
  His work was done in Canada, at a public university funded by Canadian tax dollars, with Canadian grad students and Canadian postdocs.
  Where he was born is irrelevant.
22. Re:We are falling behind... by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:36 · Score: 2
  
  Every one that played Eliza, I presume. You can't win the game Eliza, and you can't defeat Eliza at a game she hasn't agreed to play.
  It is like saying, "How many Go patzers have been defeated by a tuna sandwich?" Every single one of them that sat down at a Go board across from a tuna sandwich and thought they were playing Go. Those are all losses by self-goal.
23. Re:We are falling behind... by Oswald+McWeany · 2018-12-12 08:52 · Score: 1
  
  Europe isn't a country, it is a region. When they decide to become a single country, then they'll be one.
  When you look at the populations involved (about 500 mill for EU vs US 325 mill) it makes a lot more useful comparison rather than say the average European country (under 20 mill) since the US is over 16 times more populous than the average European country and landmass US is similar size to Europe. The UK (itself primarily made of four countries) for comparison is the size of the Carolinas.
  
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24. Re:We are falling behind... by myth24601 · 2018-12-12 09:09 · Score: 1
  
  What we need is an AI that can write papers (on AI).
  
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  No matter where you go, there you are.
25. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:11 · Score: 0
  
  Seems like a rather arbitrary division, he was born and educated and started his AI career in the UK.
26. Re: We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:32 · Score: 0
  
  Definitely. Canada has led the present revolution with Hinton, LeCun, and others line Sutton.
  A lot of them started in the US but didnâ(TM)t like the idea of being funded by the military.
27. Re:We are falling behind... by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 10:34 · Score: 1
  
  Population is an improvement, for sure. But it still leaves a lot of confounders that relate to the political borders.
  It might make sense to use the whole economic regions, Europe vs North America, and then normalize by population. That would at least give a rough comparison.
28. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 10:38 · Score: 0
  
  Your position on AI seems to be "Nothing qualifies as AI, why do people keep using that word?".
  What would your definition of AI be? The Turing test? Or something higher?
29. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 10:43 · Score: 1
  
  Was it one weird trick that computer scientists don't want you to know?
30. Re:We are falling behind... by WillAffleckUW · 2018-12-12 11:03 · Score: 1
  
  How do you know the bots posting to this thread aren't actually paper-writing AI bots that are bored out of their code loops?
  
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31. Re:We are falling behind... by WillAffleckUW · 2018-12-12 11:04 · Score: 1
  
  You forget that Dr Nato guy, he's leading AI research in the South.
  
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32. Re:We are falling behind... by grumpyman · 2018-12-12 11:34 · Score: 1
  
  Are you a Canadian yourself? I'm just curious... I'm one myself. Canada definitely has a lot of great AI researchers (UdM, UA, UT...)
33. Re:We are falling behind... by sheramil · 2018-12-12 11:42 · Score: 1
  
  Why do you ask How many 9 dan Go grandmasters have been defeat by Eliza?
34. Re: We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 12:01 · Score: 0
  
  Quantity vs quality, number of papers is a meaningless metric.
35. Re:We are falling behind... by Hognoxious · 2018-12-12 12:14 · Score: 1
  
  In Soviet Russia, AI writes you!
  
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  Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
36. Re:We are falling behind... by CaptainDork · 2018-12-12 12:29 · Score: 1
  
  How do you feel about losses by self-goal?
  
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  It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
37. Re:We are falling behind... by CaptainDork · 2018-12-12 12:32 · Score: 1
  
  I'm American and I'm sick and tired of Canadians bragging about goddam fucking AI.
  Gordon Lightfoot, though ...
  
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  It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
38. Re:We are falling behind... by CaptainDork · 2018-12-12 12:34 · Score: 1
  
  Or, one could examine the list of names tied to the Manhattan Project and see how "American," that is.
  
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  It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
39. Re:We are falling behind... by rtb61 · 2018-12-12 15:38 · Score: 1
  
  Ahh, so it is not the number of research papers, it is all about their quality. I am looking forward to the one, how to prevent your AI from going nuts or how to add a sense of humour to your AI and why it is necessary (taking into account the human cerebral thought algorithm function of a sense of humour), things like multiple limited function connected AIs versus a singular multifunction AI and why. Even better, why the Global internet is in fact already a very advanced AI 'in toto'.
  
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40. Re: We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 17:07 · Score: 0
  
  Yet it beats top humans in their game. So what does that say about humans?
41. Re: We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 19:09 · Score: 0
  
  Lame limey cunt upset his once great nation is reduced to target practice for Muslim invaders.
42. Re:We are falling behind... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 20:31 · Score: 0
  
  Nonsense, a vast proportion of his work was done in the UK and US (12 years, followed by 5 years), and even his subsequent time in Canada hasn't been funded by Canadian tax dollars, Google has been funding it about the last 5 - 10 years, and Google is definitely not part of the Canadian state.
  A significant minority of his working life can be accredited to Canadian tax funding certainly, but it's still a minority.
  So in reality he was trained in the UK, published his most seminal research from the US off the back of that training, taught in Canada, and is now again funded by the US private sector.
  Realistically the UK has created most big name AI researchers (all the way from folks like Turing, through to those still alive such as Hinton, Hassabis, Ng, Russell), but it struggles to keep them. They subsequently typically go to the US where there is ample funding and longer term growth for them. In this respect, Hinton going to Canada after the states is really an outlier rather than the norm, but to imply his successes are entirely the result of being in Canada is ignorant at best, and an outright lie at worst.
43. Re:We are falling behind... by RespekMyAthorati · 2018-12-13 08:55 · Score: 1
  
  But Gordon is an A.I. (Alcoholic Individual).
44. Re:We are falling behind... by CaptainDork · 2018-12-13 12:06 · Score: 1
  
  So? James Taylor abused drugs.
  He was in rehab with Suzanne and she died while a cleaned-up Taylor was on tour. Taylor's entire entourage made sure James did not find out, because he might've gone into a tailspin. They told him after the gig was done.
  
  Just yesterday morning they let me know you were gone ...
  Suzanne the plans we made put an end to you ...
  
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Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:27 · Score: 0

When did Europe become a country?
1. Re:Who knew.... by LazarusQLong · 2018-12-12 05:33 · Score: 0
  
  exactly. And what part of Europe? EU? All 44 Countries? Gee, I think it is pretty awesome that China and the US can each separately compete against 44 countries working together as a group.
  
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2. Re:Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:33 · Score: 0
  
  When the EU removed sovereignty from the puppet states, particularly the ECJ's Costa v.s. EMEL decision in 1964. It's been a while.
3. Re:Who knew.... by allcoolnameswheretak · 2018-12-12 05:41 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  I think it is pretty awesome that 44 countries can separately compete against 50 separate states.
  What is your exact point again?
4. Re:Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:42 · Score: 0
  
  Meh. the EU is governed by the banks, just like the rest of the west. sovereignty is a 18th century outdated concept to keep people stupid.
5. Re:Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:47 · Score: 0
  
  Let me know when New York isn't part of a country.
6. Re:Who knew.... by jellomizer · 2018-12-12 05:56 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Borders are interesting, and not as fixed as people want to think.
  The United States is a country, but each State is a State. for EU it isn't a country but a Union, which contains a bunch of countries which are most a single state.
  The United Kingdom is a bunch of countries as well.
  So in terms of comparison. the US, Europe (EU), and China have roughly the same land mass and have large economies.
  So it makes more sense compare them that way vs. France vs the US. because it would be closer to compare France against New York.
  
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7. Re:Who knew.... by ShanghaiBill · 2018-12-12 06:08 · Score: 1
  
  Borders are interesting
  Ahh, but which border is the most interesting?
  I vote for the border between Lithuania and the Kaliningrad Enclave.
  This border has a very long history. For many centuries it was part of the border between the Russian Empire and "Europe" in the form Prussian Koenigsburg and the Holy Roman Empire.
  Today, it still forms the border between Russia and "Europe" in the form of the European Union. So pretty boring, right? NO! Because, although the border is exactly the same, they have SWITCHED SIDES. Today, Russian in to the west, and "Europe" is to the east.
8. Re:Who knew.... by Solandri · 2018-12-12 06:34 · Score: 2
  
  So it makes more sense compare them that way vs. France vs the US. because it would be closer to compare France against New York.
  I'd say it doesn't make sense to even compare them in the first place. "Most AI papers published" is just a penis measuring contest. Usually promulgated by people who don't work in AI, and are just looking for any way to use other people's accomplishments to stoke their own egos.
9. Re:Who knew.... by Raisey-raison · 2018-12-12 07:19 · Score: 1
  
  Are you a lawyer? How did you know about this?
10. Re:Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:23 · Score: 0
  
  No, it doesn't make sense. Land mass is a fucking horrible measurement to use. Alaska, ND, and tons of other states with very low comparable population are included in that land mass. And comparing France to NY? Are you fucking insane?
11. Re:Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:38 · Score: 0
  
  Does this mean the EU will safe guard these virtual borders instead of expecting the US to do it for them? And the EU as it stands is a weak union with a small number of countries dominating the others. The oligarchs in Brussels rule by fiat. Every nation-state government on the planet is dysfunctional, myopic, corrupt, and above all else incompetent. All you need to do is look at the current state of the world to see the end result of the staggering incompetence displayed by those entrusted to run their own nations in cooperation with others. It is especially concerning because the leading global powers all possess the means to destroy the planet 100 times over during the course of a single afternoon. The same morons that cannot even address the most simple civil matters are also the same people entrusted with pushing the buttons needed to kick off global Armageddon. On a positive note we can pretty much stop worrying about global warming or managing the natural resources because we will kill off 90% of the global population and those left will have more important problems to deal with.
12. Re:Who knew.... by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:40 · Score: 1
  
  And if you can't comprehend that you used the sequence of letters "state" to spell out two entirely different words, then you can just wave your hands around and say nothing using a lot of words.
  It is actually because of the differences in meaning that the different words are used, and it is because of the difference in meaning that the different borders are chosen!
13. Re:Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:56 · Score: 0
  
  Actually, you're the ignorant one. The word state has a very specific meaning, and it applies just the same to the states of the US as it does to the states of the EU. They have limited sovereignty. The American states, much like the European states, gave up quite a bit of their sovereignty when they joined the respective unions. That part of the US constitution that prevents states from negotiating treaties? That was a very deliberate removal of that power of the sovereign states.
14. Re:Who knew.... by Rob+Riggs · 2018-12-12 09:20 · Score: 1
  
  A country is an entity with a representative in the UN.
  
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15. Re:Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 11:25 · Score: 0
  
  Thanks, that was indeed interesting. I like your posts in general.
  Sometimes mine are a bit crazy and schizophrenic, you will often find me arguing with myself.
16. Re: Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 12:06 · Score: 0
  
  Wrong. A country is an entity which can defend its borders. Who cares about the UN?
17. Re: Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 16:21 · Score: 0
  
  To ease confusion, Europe will become the 51st state of the USA. :-)
18. Re: Who knew.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-13 01:17 · Score: 0
  
  Sure when it benefits he EU we count it as one giant entity but when we talk about bad6hings like CO2 emissions we count each country in Europe separately andsayow horrible he US and China are.
  No playing it both ways with ulkait about how borders are flexible, euroweenie! You do not get to choose the borders that make you look good at your convenience.
19. Re:Who knew.... by mjwx · 2018-12-13 01:45 · Score: 1
  
  Borders are interesting, and not as fixed as people want to think.
  The United States is a country, but each State is a State. for EU it isn't a country but a Union, which contains a bunch of countries which are most a single state.
  The United Kingdom is a bunch of countries as well.
  You had me up until here.
  
  The EU is a proper union of disparate states that agree to co-operate under common rules for trade, human rights, et al. including a system of justice for cross border cases.
  
  The UK is a singular political entity under a with a unified parliament. The individual countries in the UK are more akin to the individual states in the US. They have varying degrees of legislative power but rarely can overrule the parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Someone living in Scotland votes for both the Scottish parliament and the UK parliament. Only a few places like the Isle of Man are independent of the UK parliament.
  
  The UK and EU are very different as governing bodies.
  
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20. Re:Who knew.... by thegarbz · 2018-12-13 08:38 · Score: 1
  
  Not at all. Those very difference are what aligns a typical US state to an entire country. Or are you saying that Arkansas and California are both identical in the USA? Because from any other country they effectively look like two different countries and sure as fuck act like it.
  There's a reason the USA is called the United States and why those very states govern themselves and the power of the federal government is incredibly limited.
  You can bullshit by drawing lines, but you can't make up new governance systems.
It's OK, USA by Spy+Handler · 2018-12-12 05:33 · Score: 3, Funny

We're still leading the world in flying car research papers and cold fusion research papers. So when it comes to spending money on futuristic shit that will never actually happen in real life, America is still #1!
1. Re:It's OK, USA by 110010001000 · 2018-12-12 05:36 · Score: 1
  
  No, the article clearly said that the EU was #1 in that. Oh wait, you thought AI has actually a thing?
2. Re:It's OK, USA by Tablizer · 2018-12-12 05:44 · Score: 1
  
  Whaddya mean the US doesn't have flying cars? If you rear-end a Ford Pinto, it has a rocket engine for a split second.
  
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3. Re:It's OK, USA by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:02 · Score: 0
  
  Pretty sure that crackpot from Italy is the leading cold fusion researcher.
4. Re:It's OK, USA by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:46 · Score: 1
  
  We're also leading the world in dumb-asses who think they know something sciencey but don't know that the tabletop cold fusion experiment was a success that has repeated over and over again. They're such incredible dumb-asses that they read about the biggest mystery in modern physics and they're all like, "Hurr durr hoax durrrrr that's impoisiboil"
  We're leading the world in people who are willing to declare in writing that they're literate, but are incapable of understanding the details of published facts that they claim to already know about.
  At least in China some aliterate asshole probably knows they didn't read anything, or have book smurts.
5. Re:It's OK, USA by geekymachoman · 2018-12-13 01:19 · Score: 1
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
6. Re:It's OK, USA by RespekMyAthorati · 2018-12-13 08:57 · Score: 1
  
  tabletop cold fusion experiment was a success that has repeated over and over again
  Do you have a non-crackpot reference?
So? by nospam007 · 2018-12-12 05:36 · Score: 1, Informative

"Europe boasts top universities doing work in AI, such as Oxford, University College London, and ETH Zurich, "
The last one isn't in the EU and the first 2 won't be in a couple of months.
Problem solved.
1. Re:So? by jellomizer · 2018-12-12 06:00 · Score: 1
  
  Harvard, Yale, MIT, Princeton are no slouches either. And they are all within a couple hundred miles of each other.
  
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2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:13 · Score: 0
  
  Meh. The venue doesn't matter at all. Bright minds can learn from anyone or even on their own. It's the less-able who benefit from quality of help.
  I have taken classes at a 65k/year university, a 35k private school, and a 2k community college. In many CS classes, the professor, coursework, and textbook were the same between the top tier and one of the others, so why not save some money.
  Ivy leagues only allow the best students in. Quality-In Quality-Out. So what do ivy league universities actually do?
3. Re:So? by 110010001000 · 2018-12-12 06:18 · Score: 2
  
  Ivy League universities give you access to the alumni network which is the most important thing to have if you are looking for a well paying career.
4. Re:So? by jellomizer · 2018-12-12 07:06 · Score: 2
  
  Don't forget the freedom to snub your nose to other people, with a smug sense of superiority.
  
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5. Re:So? by rogoshen1 · 2018-12-12 07:22 · Score: 1
  
  it's so much cheaper to just buy a prius and go vegan.
6. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:54 · Score: 0
  
  Converting to Christianity and becoming a judgemental asshole is even cheaper.
7. Re: so? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:58 · Score: 0
  
  Education in Europe is quite good. In fact the original schools in the US were built because the European settlers considered education to be extremely important. Universities like Cambridge, Oxford etc have extremely high standards, which is one of the reasons many of the top American scientists studied there. Many of the world's leading scientists have hailed from various parts of Europe.
8. Re:So? by vakuona · 2018-12-12 08:09 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I am sure the UK is not moving out of Europe, and last I checked, Switzerland was, and always has been in Europe!
  Why do people always read "EU" when they see "Europe"?
9. Re:So? by serviscope_minor · 2018-12-12 08:36 · Score: 2
  
  Gosh you think? Maybe that's why the thing you quoted said "Europe" not "EU".
  
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10. Re:So? by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:48 · Score: 1
  
  The EU isn't any more a country than "Europe" is, though.
  It is like calling NAFTA a country.
  It is a region that cooperates closely on governance. We have that in North America, too.
11. Re:So? by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:50 · Score: 1
  
  And you don't even need Princeton if you remember to include Cornell :)
12. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:06 · Score: 0
  
  But not if you are looking to produce meaningful work, which is the point of the discussion.
13. Re:So? by hcs_$reboot · 2018-12-12 13:05 · Score: 1
  
  Why do people always read "EU" when they see "Europe"?
  Please tell your American friends that EU is not the short form of Europe.
  
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14. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 13:15 · Score: 0
  
  Well, if EU gets Europe, America gets, well, America. Canada was referenced above and Mexico has to be doing something besides building cars. Mexico City is pretty great.
  I think we should just country-ize the entirety of north america at this point.
15. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 16:58 · Score: 0
  
  The EU doesn't get Europe. Europe gets Europe.
  Not that hard. But it is weird to compare a collection of countries to one.
16. Re:So? by thegarbz · 2018-12-13 08:39 · Score: 1
  
  You're the only one in this discussion talking about the European Union. Everyone else is talking about Europe.
The failure of Socialism by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:42 · Score: 0

Not many papers on AI coming out of Cuba and Venezuela...
1. Re:The failure of Socialism by Tablizer · 2018-12-12 05:53 · Score: 1
  
  Socialism is an economic system; communism is a political system. You appear to be mixing them up.
  
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2. Re: The failure of Socialism by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:02 · Score: 0
  
  And they're both fucking retarded, responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths, cannot function without slave labor and a ruling class, and are endlessly promoted by rich white liberals as the cure for rich white liberal problems.
3. Re: The failure of Socialism by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:40 · Score: 0
  
  Those with the most to lose have spent time and money to discourage critic of the system that benefits them.
4. Re: The failure of Socialism by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:50 · Score: 0
  
  "And they're both fucking retarded" - No, you are. Stay off the interstate highways, stop drinking clean water and prepare to be shot by your neighbors you uneducated faggot.
5. Re: The failure of Socialism by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:05 · Score: 0
  
  You still seem to be mixing different things up into One Big Ball of Hannity Froth. Most countries are a mix of capitalism and socialism and a only a few "on the left" prefer 100% socialism. If you paint everyone "on the left" the same, can we in turn paint everyone "on the right" with the worse traits/views found among righties? You get a wide brush, then we get wide brush, fair and square.
6. Re: The failure of Socialism by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:41 · Score: 0
  
  social programs || government programs != socialism. retard
7. Re:The failure of Socialism by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:53 · Score: 1
  
  They don't do CS, they send everybody who wants higher education to med school. Health professionals are their main export, so it seems a bit silly to try to make them look uneducated. Yeah, those dumb pinko Cubans, they're only smart enough to be medical doctors! LOL
Comparing Country or Continents? by Vanyle · 2018-12-12 05:46 · Score: 1

And when did Europe become a country?
Europe... by Shaitan · 2018-12-12 05:46 · Score: 1

Europe is an entire continent, the US and China are countries.
1. Re:Europe... by Tablizer · 2018-12-12 05:51 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Europe is an entire continent, the US and China are countries.
  Currently the US is incontinent.
  
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2. Re:Europe... by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 08:54 · Score: 1
  
  "Allegedly"
3. Re:Europe... by serviscope_minor · 2018-12-12 10:52 · Score: 1
  
  Europe is an entire continent, the US and China are countries.
  This is arguable the most vapid thing on the thread and that includes that binary chap bragging incessantly about his ignorance.
  China has twice the land area and 3 times the poplation of Europe. The fact that one is a continent and the other is a country is kind of immaterial.
  And the US and Europe are very comparable. Similar population (Europe a bit larger), similar GDP (the US a bit larger), same level of industrialisation and so on and so forth. Both are essentially trading units, with the EEA being the largest trading bloc (by a bit).
  Eurpoe and particularly the EU (or EEA) and US are very comparable.
  
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4. Re:Europe... by hcs_$reboot · 2018-12-12 13:06 · Score: 1
  
  You are mean to all these South American countries.
  
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5. Re:Europe... by vyvepe · 2018-12-12 21:56 · Score: 1
  
  EU's GDP ($20.98e12) is slightly lager than US's GDP ($19.39e12). Data from 2017. But otherwise your statements hold. It is all about the same.
Well, duh... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:50 · Score: 0

When you compare an entire continent to a single country, these things happen...
1. Re:Well, duh... by rogoshen1 · 2018-12-12 07:25 · Score: 1
  
  Okay, Australia vs Antarctica
  go!
2. Re:Well, duh... by balbeir · 2018-12-12 08:41 · Score: 1
  
  Do NOT underestimate the penguins! At least they had the brains to not vote a half baked encryption law into existence.
US has less academia more business by klingens · 2018-12-12 05:58 · Score: 2

The US might have less universities doing AI research, but the US has vastly more and vastly bigger corporations putting a shitton more money into their AI programs.
Probably Microsoft, Google and Facebook alone invest several times more than all the european companies in the field.That means they basically, the US simply buys the finished students when they are done with their university papers all over the world. China would probably do the same, but it's harder for them to actually attract the scientists and programmers. And the really interesting and especially the paying things with deep learning are not done in universities. Deep learning is known for decades now, and now companies have seen this is a field where one can create products and monetize.
Those US companies also have the actually huge amount of data needed to train all this pseudo AI which is in reality deep learning. In the EU, the data protection laws are actually good for the citizens, but it of course hampers companies to monetize all that big data stuff with AI.
Typical slashdot editor mistake writing an article with lots of errors to get hits I guess.
1. Re:US has less academia more business by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:27 · Score: 0
  
  Typical slashdot editor mistake writing an article with lots of errors to get hits I guess.
  I read this line and thought, bad editing, bashing the US. Likely msmarsh posted it? Look back to the top, no surprise it was.
  Why does msmarsh use /. as his personal bash US/GOP blog?
2. Re:US has less academia more business by epine · 2018-12-12 07:25 · Score: 1
  
  China doesn't need to import foreign brain power any more than any other country does. Sheesh. (Every economy benefits from mixing the pot to some degree, no matter how plush their own labour pool.)
  Have you ever looked at the highschool math education data? (In related news, New York is going to found a new law school with not a single slack-ass Jewish law professor passing over the admittance bar of the inaugural faculty.)
  Nor is there any great lack of commercial opportunity with Baidu and Alibaba rivaling any company in Silicon Valley (with even more lax data collection laws—lax to such a degree that collection verges on mandatory).
  And, of course, the German auto sector is asleep at the wheel, as always. It's just not in the German national character to invest in or perfect shiny new technologies.
  I suspect the main reason no German engineer is ever found asleep at the wheel is because, by the time the steering wheel is completely unnecessary, the steering wheel has already been removed altogether.
  Germans are pretty big on shit or get off the pot. Does it work, or doesn't it? Very direct. If it works, amputate the vestigial wheel already. And if it doesn't work, don't show your flaccid, disgraceful face in the beer hall until you've got the situation under control, like a good German should—which doesn't even need to be stated, it runs so deep.
  Winston tastes good like a cigarette should
  
  Winston cigarettes were sponsors of such television series as The Beverly Hillbillies and The Flintstones.
  The former series would show stars Buddy Ebsen, Irene Ryan, and Nancy Kulp extolling the virtues of Winstons while smoking them and reciting the jingle.
  The latter series would later come under fire for advertising cigarettes on an animated series watched by many children, but Winston pulled their involvement with the series after the Pebbles Flintstone character was born in 1963.
  Interesting advertising tactic: "I'll have what she's having!" [points at Daisy May "Granny" Moses]
  You know, to hell with celebrity endorsements from the stacked Donna Douglas, or the studly Max Baer Jr. We've got our eyes on the prize: the old, the ugly, and the infirm.
  
  Kulp was once described as television's most homely girl or, as one reviewer put it, possessing the "face of a shrivelled balloon, the figure of a string of spaghetti, and the voice of a bullfrog in mating season."
  Others described her as tall and prim and praised her comedic skills.
  So which is it? Are the Germans good engineers who generally stay on top of modern technology, or asleep at the wheel, which isn't even there any more, because they got rid of that useless appendage long ago?
  In any version of the story I've ever heard, the only correct answer is both of the above.
so? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:16 · Score: 0

quantity or quality? or do they have both?
America will build Terminator by xenog · 2018-12-12 06:22 · Score: 1

And we in Europe must be ready to fight it.
1. Re:America will build Terminator by Tablizer · 2018-12-12 13:10 · Score: 1
  
  And we in Europe must be ready to fight it.
  Nope, SkyNet is a UK company.
  
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More Papers == More Advancement!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:06 · Score: 0

WHOA! You mean all I have to do to be faster at developing AI is publish more papers?
Awesome!
No, where are all of my monkeys?
quality not quantity by AndyKron · 2018-12-12 07:36 · Score: 1

The quantity of the papers published doesn't necessarily reflect on their quality.
1. Re:quality not quantity by hcs_$reboot · 2018-12-12 13:10 · Score: 1
  
  Hmm, yeah but we usually consider that on average papers are on the same quality line. No, the difference maybe is in China not publishing major advanced AI research. Yes, competition.
  
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Google trains AI to write AI research by edi_guy · 2018-12-12 07:40 · Score: 1

3rd place USA, 2nd place Europe, but Skynet has a commanding lead with 6x10^23 new AI research papers this year.
1. Re:Google trains AI to write AI research by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2018-12-12 09:21 · Score: 1
  
  Oh my goodness! They're about to cross the Avagadro Boundary!
  
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It's almost as if properly funding by rsilvergun · 2018-12-12 07:46 · Score: 1

your higher education system and providing government grants for research results in more science being done. I know, crazy talk, right?

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1. Re:It's almost as if properly funding by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:45 · Score: 0
  
  just move out of the US. it's obvious you don't like it. Everyone would be much happier if you left.
2. Re:It's almost as if properly funding by goose-incarnated · 2018-12-12 09:32 · Score: 1
  
  your higher education system and providing government grants for research results in more science being done. I know, crazy talk, right?
  In context of this article, then ... no. Not "more science". "more AI".
  
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3. Re:It's almost as if properly funding by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 11:34 · Score: 0
  
  The US higher education system has wildly more funding than any other country. Mountains of wealth are dumped into US universities from around the globe every year.
  Consider visiting a university some time, you might learn something.
Stupid study by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:52 · Score: 0

WORLD is publishing more patent, not europe mot china, not USA
article make no sense....europe is not a country and each country is fighting each other is europe so....stupid idea to compare Europe Vs China and US
1. Re:Stupid study by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:46 · Score: 0
  
  europe is not a country and each country is fighting each other
  Yes, it's a shame that Europe is at war with itself. I hope Austria finally manages to repel the Italian invaders and Sweden hurries up and bombs the crap out of Finland.
2. Re:Stupid study by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:30 · Score: 0
  
  It is a shame from the perspective of China, Russia, and even the US.
  It would be so much easier to bully them erm I mean deal with them on equal terms if they were in disarray and fighting each other. Because you know, China, Russia, and even the US are big and strong countries. How dare other smaller countries to form a bigger union on their own!? Good thing that the anti-EU factions gain more and more traction. When they're finally divided again, they're ready to be conquered.
There are China-only research journal sites by WillAffleckUW · 2018-12-12 08:18 · Score: 1

Most of the indices we use don't incorporate the Chinese-only papers, just the ones published in English.
Come back when you actually count those.

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No wonder!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:14 · Score: 0

NO wonder that 80% or more are fake. Now we know why.
Apples to Cart-of-Apples. by Seor+Jojoba · 2018-12-12 10:16 · Score: 1

The headline doesn't make logical sense to me. China and US are countries. Europe is a frigging continent. Also... I don't care.
1. Re:Apples to Cart-of-Apples. by serviscope_minor · 2018-12-12 10:54 · Score: 1
  
  China and US are countries. Europe is a frigging continent.
  You do realise that despite being a "frigging continent" both the US and China are literally twice the size of Europe.
  
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EU workers by AHuxley · 2018-12-12 10:26 · Score: 1

Using US OS, US designed CPU, US designed GPU.
Parts made in China.
AI in Europe is just another decade of the AI winter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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Anyone who promotes #s = quality by Oligonicella · 2018-12-12 11:52 · Score: 1

isn't someone to listen to.
The US could catch up ... by CaptainDork · 2018-12-12 12:22 · Score: 1

... if they used Trump's IQ as the "intelligence" goal post.
[I know I'll get modded down, and I think it's proper. I just don't like Trump. Excuse my manners.]

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Uh-huh by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 14:29 · Score: 0

I am just over it, and I think many others are as well. There is no such thing as 'AI', there never will be in the sense that Valley babies imagine. Does it really matter how many papers are being published about a millennial fallacy? The answer is, 'No.'.
I guess that explains... by Texmaize · 2018-12-12 15:13 · Score: 1

So, I guess that is their are so many NPC's in the EU!

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Ubermensch science prevails! by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-13 01:07 · Score: 0

For the glory of our great Reich!