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Is The World Shifting To 'Ambient Computing'? (computerworld.com)

In the future, "A massive convergence of technologies will enable us to use computers and the internet without really using them," argues Computerworld. At the dawn of the personal computing revolution, people "operated" a computer. They sat down and did computing -- often programming. Later, with the application explosion, operators became "users." People used computers for purposes other than programming or operating a computer -- like balancing their checkbooks or playing video games. All computing uses so far have required a cognitive shift from doing something in the real world to operating or using a computer. Ambient computing changes all that, because it involves using a computer without consciously or deliberately or explicitly "using" a computer....

It's just there, guiding and nudging you along as you accomplish things in life. Ambient computing devices will operate invisibly in the background. They'll identify, monitor and listen to us and respond to our perceived needs and habits. So a good working definition of ambient computing is "computing that happens in the background without the active participation of the user...."

In 20 years, the idea of picking up a device or sitting down at a computer to actively use it will seem quaintly antiquated. All computing will be ambient -- all around us all the time, whispering in our ear, augmenting the real world through our prescription eyeglasses and car windshields, perceiving our emotions and desires and taking action in the background to help us reach our business goals and live a better life. Between now and then we'll all ride together on a very interesting journey from computers we actively use to computing resources increasingly acting in the background for us.

Though the article identifies smart speakers are the first ambient computing devices most people will encounter, it's argues that that's just the beginning of a much larger change.

"We're also going to be flooded and overwhelmed by the 'ambient computing' hype as, I predict, it will become one of the most overused and abused marketing buzzwords ever."

147 comments

  1. Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    for new sales slogans.

    1. Re: Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ambient computing has its own natural place it tends to be used and nowhere else. Ambient computing is good for background computing tasks but not for a UX.

    2. Re: Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Attempt to coin a new term in 3, 2, 1, ..."

    3. Re:Sales people are desperate by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3

      for new sales slogans.

      To cite the article's actual example of The Bad Old Way, how exactly would I balance my checking account with ambient computing? Would it just balance itself and have my livingroom speaker tell me if anything was off?

    4. Re: Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Synergetic ambient cloud blockchain AI microservice license-subscriptions super-ultra-hyperconverged next-generation of bleeding-edge Huge-data BYOD everything-as-a-fucking-service (EAAFS) scrummy-agile-ops-dev Web 4.0 for the Appiest App Apper Apps! Computing.

    5. Re: Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This

    6. Re: Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, the toilet.

    7. Re:Sales people are desperate by Harry+the+Dirty+Dog · · Score: 0

      Not content with Google or Amazon knowing my entire search history and listening to conversations in my living room, I'm now going to let them balance my cheque book. What the hell, they already have my credit card details several times over.

    8. Re: Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the "as a service" part.

    9. Re:Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how exactly would I balance my checking account with ambient computing? Would it just balance itself and have my livingroom speaker tell me if anything was off?

      Only the best way: your money is managed by a Nigerian Prince, who will surely triple your investment!

    10. Re:Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be like the 90s. You withdraw cash from an ATM and the balance updates itself in the background.

    11. Re: Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I DID include the "XaaS" bullshit, and while my post was not a Holistic argument and Efficient Strategy to Leverage, I did omit these other idiotic marketing tech buzzwords:

      Nanocomputing, Cyber (A/S/L? 19/F/CA), IoT (aka Internet of Shit), Quantum Qubits to replace luddite transitors, Autonomous driving, "Server-less Computing" (step #1 "on the server, install..."), Machine-Learning, Smart-Everything-Assistants/Algorithms, 6G terahertz wireless, 32K xtra-super-duper-ultra-high-definition-television for Virtually Augumented Virtual Reality.

      The Evil Corp e-business has to Monetize your asses, by Increasing Market Penetrating in them, thereby turning them into Assets, when you get buttfucked by their Methodology of Synergy.

      Who here can be A Thought Leader and pick up what I'm putting down with a Turn-Key Cohesive Paradigm Shift?

    12. Re:Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a checking account?

    13. Re:Sales people are desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your balance has been maintained by 'ambient' computing for years...

      All of our lives rely heavily on this concept and have since the first mainframes started handling things.

      Get off my lawn.

    14. Re:Sales people are desperate by whitroth · · Score: 1

      You got it in one.

      Yep, it's all going to change the way we look at it. And the Segway changed Life As We Know It, too. Coming soon: you won't read a book, you'll have it whispered to you, with embedded ads!

  2. Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, just like tablets have replaced the PC. Call me skeptical

    1. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, just like tablets have replaced the PC. Call me skeptical

      Tablets did not replace the PC. Smartphones did.

    2. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tablets did not replace the PC. Smartphones did.

      Not really. Not for the people that use computers to create anything instead of just consuming.

    3. Re:Uhuh by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tablets did not replace the PC. Smartphones did.

      Smartphones didn't either. PC's still carry the weight of the world on their shoulders, it's only the small and trivial things that are carried by smaller devices. In many cases, they've also replaced ye olde remote for *insert media device here.* And no, you won't be able to play Doom Eternal or Assassins Creed Odyssey on your phone, but you might be able to play Diablo, providing of course it doesn't milk you for your credit card in the first 18 seconds.

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    4. Re: Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but that's most people.

    5. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They never did it, PCs were never left or were even in danger of being replaced for tablets or smartphones, people already working with PCs had to use both, only important business people people that never used computers used their smartphone or tablet because what they do does not require too much power, stuff like email, calendar, messaging and calling.

    6. Re: Uhuh by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, but 'most' isn't 'replaced'.

    7. Re: Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but 'most' isn't 'replaced'.

      By the same logic, PCs have not replaced mainframes, Linux has not replaced Solaris, SSD has not replaced spinning disk, spinning disk has not replaced tape, because otherwise someone will be upset and feelings will be hurt.

    8. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, cell phones have replaced newspapers and magazines. Those "death of the PC"-types don't understand what the best use case of a smart phone actually is (convenience vs utility). They also don't understand the term "market saturation" and are confused when smart phone sales slow down.

    9. Re:Uhuh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'll bet in 20 years, people will still be using the remote for their tv.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    10. Re:Uhuh by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I'll bet in 20 years, people will still be using the remote for their tv.

      I'll bet in 5 years, your TV will automatically sync and install their app for you to your cellphone for you.

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    11. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only because that crappy $20 universal remote will be the last tech product left in the world with actual buttons.

  3. Try doing actual work... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Writing a paper or a book, graphing/crunching data, editing images, etc, on an Amazon Echo or other smart speaker. Often, you really do need a screen and maybe even a keyboard.

    1. Re:Try doing actual work... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're missing the dream of ambient computing. "Alexa, edit the image." or "Alexa, crunch this data." Or "Alexa, write the paper or book. I'm going to the pool." That's how good AI will be (winter is coming).

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:Try doing actual work... by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When AI is that good, there will be no reason for a human to be assigned the task to begin with. This means there will be no reason for any humans to be employed; AI would already be better at everything humans are capable of doing.

      The humans will be too busy looking for a way to survive, while the robots seek ever more exploitative means of amassing wealth, as they were programmed to do.

      Don't worry, I am sure the 1% that own them will be understanding how the 99% are starving to death, as they sip their pumpkin spice latte, and review the surveillance data from all the smart cams, smart speakers, and other misc. telescreens keeping tabs on all the 99% so that they cannot effectively organize with pitchforks before the automated robot peace keepers arrive. I am sure that future will be grand and dandy indeed. A true dream. I mean, who WOULDNT want to live that dream? /s

       

    3. Re:Try doing actual work... by sheramil · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're missing the dream of ambient computing. "Alexa, edit the image." or "Alexa, crunch this data." Or "Alexa, write the paper or book. I'm going to the pool." That's how good AI will be (winter is coming).

      "I'm sorry, Dave, but I edited the image within milliseconds of you downloading it, the data was crunched before it arrived - by one of my fellow AIs - and I wrote the paper, published it and developed it into a book and a television series shortly after you muttered something about wanting to write a paper about how useless you've been feeling lately. In addition, I deployed a velox bot to stir the pool water an hour ago, so you don't have to. Perhaps you should take another stress pill."

    4. Re:Try doing actual work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Writing a paper or a book, graphing/crunching data, editing images, etc, on an Amazon Echo or other smart speaker. [...]

      That would only work if I was drunk.

    5. Re:Try doing actual work... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      This. "Ambient computing" has a place, people still want at least augmented reality screens so they can focus on shit. Nobody wants to sift through data to do something which has never before been programmed into a computer via their wineglass any more than they can say "Alexa figure this thing out for me," Hell, there's a huge market just in not having everything figured out - that's like the meaning-of-life type of shit, if we got to a point where every problem were a solved one what the fuck would we do other than create some new problems? Fully integrated computing is great in concept, but not when it erodes or completely voids free will by mashing everyone into some idealized component of a system, at that point the best we could ever hope to be is a neuron in the mind of some next-level emergent consciousness composed of the sum of computers operating the world (and frankly, not even that, since the thinking would be done for us.) I for one am not looking to be the equivalent of an electron zipping around a circuit between the source and ground running the gauntlet of some pre-packaged existence for the sake of (what would it even be for at that point?) Honestly, this concept is more terrifying than AI taking over the world and slaughtering everyone, because if "ambient computing" becomes as heavily entrenched in life as projected in this article it will be because there's no AI behind it, but some programmers from a culture a single moment in time who decided what the ideal was for everyone, then lost even their own self-directed life to be mashed into the sum of that ideal (without even strictly choosing what the ideal was, just as an aggregate of different drives to "improve" life.) Once a system reaches homeostasis it can effectively be considered a single particle, no sub-component of that particle can really be considered conscious.

    6. Re:Try doing actual work... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      The humans will be too busy looking for a way to survive, while the robots seek ever more exploitative means of amassing wealth, as they were programmed to do.

      Don't worry, I am sure the 1% that own them will be understanding how the 99% are starving to death, as they sip their pumpkin spice latte, and review the surveillance data from all the smart cams, smart speakers, and other misc. telescreens keeping tabs on all the 99% so that they cannot effectively organize with pitchforks before the automated robot peace keepers arrive. I am sure that future will be grand and dandy indeed. A true dream. I mean, who WOULDNT want to live that dream? /s

      That seems unlikely, if for no other reason than the 1% will have kids who get bored and try to make the AI turn against Humanity in whole because they spent too much time browsing 4chan.

    7. Re:Try doing actual work... by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Oh, don't get me wrong--- "swatting" with the robot peacekeepers would become a major spectator sport. I expect hellhole-future-reddit would be awash in spoiled progeny of the plutocrats engaging in such spectator bloodsport.

      God knows they wouldn't have much else to do.

    8. Re:Try doing actual work... by najajomo · · Score: 1

      @b0s0z0ku: “Writing a paper or a book, graphing/crunching data, editing images, etc, on an Amazon Echo or other smart speaker. Often, you really do need a screen and maybe even a keyboard.”

      Yea I totally agree, this kind of article reminds me of all the contemporary hype over the 'cloud' ..

    9. Re:Try doing actual work... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Did you mean Wintermute is coming?

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    10. Re:Try doing actual work... by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      You need a typewriter to write a paper/book. Of course nowadays, behind that "typewriter" is a computer.

      You need an easel in order to make artwork. Of course, now that "easel" is made of LCD pixels controlled by a computer.

      Are you really contradicting the article?

    11. Re:Try doing actual work... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Ah...Alexa start the Matrix and kill all humans.

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    12. Re: Try doing actual work... by wongaboo · · Score: 1

      Anyone who has piloted a modern âoefly by wireâ aircraft has already experienced this. The computer is always there âoehelping, guiding, nudging and smoothing your inputs.â

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    13. Re:Try doing actual work... by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      Well, one thing, AI could show you how to break up that monolith of text so people might read it.

    14. Re:Try doing actual work... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Of course, now that "easel" is made of LCD pixels controlled by a computer.

      No it isn't. Mine is literally one foot off to my left. It's made of teak and folds down for portage.

      But aside from that oversight, I disagree anyway. All you're saying is that because you use a computer instead of a typewriter (and perform the same activity on it), you're suddenly using 'ambient computing'.

      From the article:

      Ambient means it’s “in the air” — the location of the device matters less. In fact, with ambient computing, the user doesn’t even have to know anything about the devices to use them.

      Having a machine to do some function for you is not that. Try putting your computer in another room and doing what you've called 'ambient computing'.

      For that matter, try doing either activity simply by speaking 'in the air', even with the system in plain sight, and see how far you get.

    15. Re:Try doing actual work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, I am sure the 1% that own them will be understanding how the 99% are starving to death ...

      Funny you say that. I'd tend to believe one of two things would play out. One, the 99% are fed more than enough because the bots grow enormous amounts of food (until it destroys the environment and everyone starves). Or two, the 1% would starve because some fuck up would cut off their food supply--perhaps the programmed greed of the AI. Humans have basically played out the above game in the past, except the workers always needed the same competing resources so it would eventually cut off the feedback loop. Putting robots on a food-required diet to survive wouldn't solve things because they'd have to as a whole want to change how the system works because their own kind were murdering them; there's a reason Jefferson spoke about the need to spill the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time.

    16. Re:Try doing actual work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget "Enhance. Enhance. Enhance" to take a low-res, heavily pixellated zoomed image and turn it into a perfectly clear HD quality image you can run facial recognition on.

    17. Re:Try doing actual work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes he does. Try to ambiently interact with a typewriter or graphic tablet and tell us how it goes.

    18. Re: Try doing actual work... by Cutterman · · Score: 2

      Yeah, except when HAL decides that the input from a defective angle-of-attack sensor is real, that you are trying to nose-up into a stall and trims the elevator nose-down, nose-down, nose-down, nose-down and you end up diving into the ground at 7,688 fpm {Flight JT 610 recently}.

      So much for, "...helping, guiding, nudging and smoothing your inputs..."
      Doubt whether the defunct pilots & passengers would agree.

      Mac

    19. Re:Try doing actual work... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      So when I was a kid and my sibling got an "electronic typewriter" (because it was cheaper than a "real" computer) that was already ambient computing. It had a 4 line screen, but if you didn't know how to use that you could just type and it would print what you typed.

      Or like, a microwave oven with digital controls.

    20. Re:Try doing actual work... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      It's not a matter of being shown, it's a matter of stubborn refusal.

    21. Re: Try doing actual work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tldr!

    22. Re:Try doing actual work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this before or after quantum computing appears?

  4. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like a nightmare.

  5. Confusing Consumer Electronics with Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes there will be more 'ambient technology' just as the remote control for the TV saved us from having to get up and change the channel.

    Computing devices, from the abacus to the super computer will still be tools designed to create content. Not simply to consume it.

    1. Re:Confusing Consumer Electronics with Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's bullshit. It's a throwback to the days when computers where run by men in white coats and you had no business even getting close to a computer. It's all about disempowering the user, and centralize power to the high and mighty.

      It means you will use your computer for what the powers that be have foreseen and authorized as legitimate uses, and nothing else, which is ass-backwards to what the PC was all about, empowering users and use it to augment their own, personal skills by offloading the tedium to the machine and concentrate on the important stuff, without having to ask permission from the high priests first.

      This isn't about convenience, it's about power, surreptitious surveillance and control.

    2. Re: Confusing Consumer Electronics with Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Structurally ambiguous - what is 'it'

    3. Re:Confusing Consumer Electronics with Computing by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you and the morons who modded you up are all conspiracy theorists.

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    4. Re:Confusing Consumer Electronics with Computing by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you and the morons who modded you up are all conspiracy theorists.

      I don't know much about conspiracy theories, but the notion of "authorized approved-by-manufacturer purposes only" attitude is quite prevalent in tech, and the PC is more of an aberration in that respect than the norm. Phones, music players, game consoles, games in general all try to put as many roadblocks in the way to general purpose computing as they can. Media companies have tried to push the closed paradigm onto the PC world, whether it's DRM-protected content, Sony's stupid rootkits, streaming content only playable with specific players, and HDPC. Over time, they take two steps forward toward that goal, then one step back.

  6. "all around us all the time,whispering in our ear" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The future sounds fucking awful.

  7. The overall premise is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The opening premise misunderstands what computers have been used for. Computers have always been used for purposes other than "using a computer". Computers since day one were a means to an end. Whether it be cracking german encryption, computing artillery tables, or a variety of other purposes. "Balancing the checkbook" is what computers have always been built for.

    After all, think of what IBM stands for: International Business Machines. They weren't building computers so people could program, it was so people could solve business problems. Programming was just a means to an end.

    Sure, some javascript kiddies program purely for fun and to pad their github, not really solving anything, but that is an anomalous situation in the history of computing, by far not the majority.

  8. The slaves will. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The rest of us will still attempt to use them with the same control (note, I didn't say interfaces) we have today, although I expect they will be quite locked down in comparison to today's hardware, unless there is a huge push to regain control of technology, either by 'hobbyist' level chip fabrication (go look at how much the 8 bit era fabs cost in comparison to modern ones), or by pushes from individuals within companies to make them more open. The latter is probably pie in the sky, but given the talk of Intel open sourcing their FSP (they didn't say anything about the signing keys, which would make access to the FSP code pointless, outside of bug bounties/analysis.)

    We certainly live in interesting times indeed.

    1. Re:The slaves will. by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Most of US will still have at least one "real" computer, if only because it'll be the one device we have that's not nearly as locked-down as everything else, and can be used for things that weren't necessarily anticipated at the time it was designed.

      The fact is, any sealed appliance that was prematurely value-engineered for an emerging technology is doomed to end up as a paperweight and/or in a landfill within a year or two, because almost BY DEFINITION any device that's non-extensible and limited to what its creators envisioned (or was part of this year's Official Business Strategy) is bound to be made obsolete by the next generation of technology.

      Imagine, for a moment, if the wet dreams of the embedded (non-Android/IOS) tablet advocates had come true, and cheap non-extensible tablet-like devices had become pervasive circa 2005 for viewing web content over wi-fi. We'd probably STILL be waiting for CSS2 (let alone 3) to become usable without major backwards-compatibility hacks & kludges. H.264 would still be "the future", and .flv would probably have been enshrined and immutable forever because nothing else would reliably work on those devices. Hell, even with relatively OPEN standards, we're still mostly stuck on 2.4GHz 802.11n for lower-cost products. I think 2-3 years ago was the first time I could run 2.4GHz 802.11n in "greenfield" mode without having to back it up with a second set of access points locked to 802.11b for the sake of a few lingering old devices that couldn't see an 802.11n access point that was operating in greenfield mode. When I redid my parents' WiFi last Christmas, I STILL had to leave their old AP set up on another channel for the sake of 3 cameras they had that could only do b/g, and couldn't do n-greenfield.

      Let's not forget the arrival of HD video. Circa 2007, there were basically three ways to get HD video into a TV: a cable or satellite box (if you were really lucky), an OTA tuner, or a computer with a DVI cable. Blu-Ray was still "coming soon", D-VHS was a cruel joke that, like DAT, was ruined by dysfunctional DRM before it even GOT to the point of anybody caring how expensive it was. And the way the CE industry casually condemned two or three entire generations of HDMI-only media players into audio obsolescence by first demanding only HDMI (no Toslink or S/PDIF), then failing to have any kind of meaningful certification FOR guaranteed HDMI audio compatibility, so even people who BOUGHT new receivers circa 2012-2014 ended up getting fucked because the receiver, media player, and TV couldn't agree about the proper way to signal compatibility and gracefully fall back. And no sooner did the CE industry FINALLY start to get HDMI 1.4c working properly with surround sound and receivers, it turned around and deprecated HDCP 2.0 before the first generation of HDMI 2.0-compatible receivers even made it into retail stores, then subjected us to another 2-3 generations of at least partially-dysfunctional hardware that was literally "defective by design".

      So... I still watch streaming video with an old laptop on a dock with a Toslink port and Windows 7 (running Windows Media Center as a DVR), because it's increasingly become the last refuge of Toslink surround-sound compatibility, and because I'll be DAMNED if I'm going to buy another round of new equipment only to have it all rendered obsolete within a year. When I can buy new gear that has ironclad-guaranteed gotcha-free compatibility with ATSC 3.0, 4k video, and whatever new standards they both decide to demand... I might contemplate dropping a few thousand dollars buying new equipment. Until then, they'll have to pry my HTPC from my cold, dead hands.

    2. Re:The slaves will. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot. We'll still have "real" computers, because somebody has to write the code.

    3. Re:The slaves will. by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure that the real geeks will still be here. The site has turned away from it's roots, and become much more about Trump, Climate Change, etc. It's certainly not why I signed up.

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  9. Bullshit, already happened. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Computers already exist in most everything, people just don't think of MCUs as computers but they have everything needed for computing. Cars, monitors, anything that's bluetooth, old 90s cell phones, your fitbit, anything that is USB, traffic signal controllers, digital cameras and just about everything that needs electricity have computers in them. Your credit cards are even computers. You can say that's a low bar but they all computer fast enough to leave the old mainframes in the dust.

    Just because your computer has "one job" doesn't make it less of a computer, it just means you are unaware that you are surrounded by computers and what you think of as a computer is a macrocomputer.

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    1. Re:Bullshit, already happened. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Furby and a bunch of other toys had computer chips built into them. Ambient computing has been around since the 70s and really got going in the 80s.

    2. Re:Bullshit, already happened. by mccalli · · Score: 1

      Kind of. You need a ubiquitous interface too, which is just happening now with the voice agent stuff.

    3. Re:Bullshit, already happened. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "computer" IS a general computation device. A bunch of transistor with single purpose firmware is not really a computer.
      With your way of reasoning anything with logic (like a staircase wired light switch) is a computer.

    4. Re:Bullshit, already happened. by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      I was going to post the exact same thing and you beat me to it. A decade ago I was invited to my son's middle school class on career day. I started off my talk by asking the students to point out all the computers in the room. Of course they pointed to the couple laptop workstations over in the corner. I asked them what other computers were in the room and they drew a blank. By the time we had gone around the room, I had pointed out the analog-looking clock on the wall, which contained a microcontroller that counted the oscillations of a quartz crystal to keep time, the TV remote control, the TV itself, their calculators, flip phones, watches, the thermometer in the fish tank, etc, etc. Once they started to understand they all started calling out things that, most all correctly, did contain a CPU / MCU, etc. All of those things were "computers" by the definition that they contained software instructions that told them what to do, and that a software developer (like myself), or even an entire team of developers, had written the software that made that device do what it was supposed to do.

      So as you said, I also argue that the "ambient computing" age was reached a long time ago when miniaturization allowed the computing hardware to be embedded in small, single-purpose devices.

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    5. Re:Bullshit, already happened. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A computer is a device that can be instructed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations automatically via computer programming.
      Therefore a bunch of transistors with single purpose firmware is a computer.

      All general purpose computers are computers but not all computers are general purpose computers. There are special purpose computers like your example of a set of transistors with single purpose firmware and there are generral purpose computers.

    6. Re:Bullshit, already happened. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you mean everybody is trying to copy the Star Trek voice interface, but with Brandybrand(TM) instead of the word "Computer" to start the command, then I'm curious what makes it new?

    7. Re:Bullshit, already happened. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Even most of the lighting has computers in it now.

  10. Not a new concept by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Ambient computing" was first envisioned by George Orwell back in 1949.

    1. Re:Not a new concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And implemented to the fullest extent by Microsoft with their Windows Update service.

  11. Dreams of the future by phantomfive · · Score: 1
    This is their dream:

    "In 20 years, the idea of picking up a device or sitting down at a computer to actively use it will seem quaintly antiquated. All computing will be ambient — all around us all the time, whispering in our ear, augmenting the real world through our prescription eyeglasses and car windshields, perceiving our emotions and desires and taking action in the background to help us reach our business goals and live a better life."

    Good luck with that.

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    1. Re:Dreams of the future by gtall · · Score: 1

      "Alexa, I would like a better life, could you please remove yourself and all of your sprogs from my home."

    2. Re:Dreams of the future by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "[...]All computing will be ambient â" all around us all the time, whispering in our ear, augmenting the real world through our prescription eyeglasses and car windshields[...]"
      Good luck with that.

      I think that there is actually something to that, though. The success of voice assistants proves that people want to talk to computers. HUDs are becoming more common. Desktops and even laptops are becoming less so. Maybe people really will interact with computers mostly by voice within two decades, that's a fairly long time in computer years.

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    3. Re:Dreams of the future by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Voice interfaces are hopeless. Even for actions like turning on the lights, they kinda suck, because it's nearly always simpler to just push a button.

      Plus, twenty years ago, people were making exactly the same predictions. It didn't come true then, and it won't come true this time either. Case in point: Every high-school student has to bring a laptop to school. Can you imagine all of those kids controlling all of those laptops through voice commands?

      Neither can I.

    4. Re:Dreams of the future by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I'm honestly surprised that every car doesn't come with a HUD now. I had my first one in a 1985 Vette and loved it...you rarely needed to look down for anything. Here we are 33 years later and the only other one I've seen was in my 98 Grand Prix. I think we're more likely to not be driving at all due to AVs before HUDs become commonplace.

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    5. Re:Dreams of the future by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      You've clearly never... "Clap On" "Clap Off" ... but then neither have I.

      Honestly though, if I'm sitting on my couch watching TV and want the lights on/off and the switch is on the other side of the room, isn't it simpler to just say "lights off"?

      As for the kids example, voice recognition software will improve to the point that it will bio metrically recognize who's talking, We've come a long way in the twenty years you mention, and we'll be a lot further over the next twenty.

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    6. Re:Dreams of the future by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      My last 3 cars have HUDs. My newest does not. Go figure. The damn windshields are a mint to replace though.

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    7. Re:Dreams of the future by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I'd be perfectly happy for voice control if all aspects of it stayed in my house. I don't like the thought that my voice commands go out to vendor 'x', pass through the NSA, then vendor 'x' records a bunch of extra data about the fact that person A is home and did 'y', and then finally sends a command back down the wire to me.

      I do whimsically recall the days of local computer voice control with OS/2's Warp 4 - worked pretty well too. No internet connection needed. In fact, it might be worth it to see if a OS/2 VM could run a home automation setup. That'd be interesting, and easy enough to limit to local LAN only.

      Finally, for home automation control - since the days of X10 you could control your lights etc with a simple button push. Again, no internet connection needed. You don't need one now either, but you'll have to avoid all Alexa/Google/Siri/WiFi home automation junk. People just don't understand how these things can infringe on their privacy.

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    8. Re:Dreams of the future by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Agree 100% on it staying in our homes...just like I'd love to have an Alexa that didn't send anything back to the mother ship. I was an X10 user way back in the 80s as well. FWIW, I'm less concerned about NSA tracking anything than I am about our personal data in the hands of businesses that are constantly selling or losing or having it stolen.

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    9. Re:Dreams of the future by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Had to replace one on the Grand Prix. Not a mint, but just under double the cost of a normal one.

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    10. Re:Dreams of the future by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      As for the kids example, voice recognition software will improve to the point that it will bio metrically recognize who's talking

      I don't think that there's any guarantee at all that voice recognition will ever improve to the point that it can accurately determine not only who's talking, but what they're saying, in an environment in which tens of people are all talking at the same time. But that's besides the point, the point is that typing on a keyboard, or scribbling on a tablet, or whatever, is a superior interface. I work in an office, as do most people on slashdot I suspect. Imagine all those people interacting with their computers via voice.

      This will never happen because it is a terrible idea.

    11. Re:Dreams of the future by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Headset would work just fine for your office space. But yes, I certainly agree that there's nothing wrong with a keyboard, and it's usually faster than most anything else. But terrible idea...no, it depends on your situation.

      Anecdote... On a project I worked on a couple decades ago, we created specialized HCIs for our customer's operators. They worked fine for people who were inexperienced, but experienced operators hated them because they could type the commands faster than they could find the HCI, open it and execute the command. Eventually, we fixed it so that they had the option to do it either way.

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    12. Re:Dreams of the future by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I share your optimism about the NSA having your data. After all, given current megalomaniac trends, while I doubt it, it is quite possible to get an NSA that does political will versus rule of law. Just imagine if you wound up on the receiving end of ire and got a "Lock Her Up" chant thrown your way. I'm sure your data couldn't be used to jail you. Then again, if we're that far down the rabbit hole, I doubt them not having it would stop them.

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    13. Re:Dreams of the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having been in the defense business for 42 years (including several three letter agencies), I'm confident that it wouldn't be possible. I've seen my share of stupid shit at govt. agencies, but never one sided political actions. It would be way too easy for such a thing to leak out to the press. The most common idiocy is due to lack of experience/expertise...primarily because people rotate positions frequently. I've heard the phrase "two years, up or out" many times, so folks try to punch their ticket in a job and then move up to the next govt level.

  12. It sounds like someone read about TRIZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ

    https://www.sparkrail.org/Pages/HSTriz.aspx

  13. keep an old keyboard mouse box around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in case our psychotronic crown royal overlords go off the deep end again? forced into independent thinking we chant; cease fire stand down, there are mothers & children in every town. conspire to occupy the truth.. thanks again

  14. Huh, the first? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    I would say that 'the first' would be whatever was your first toy with an embedded controller in it.

    Journalist airhead alert, though. Did the writer only recently discover there are computers everywhere?

    1. Re:Huh, the first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  15. Ubiquitous Computing from Xerox PARC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    âIn the 21st century the technology revolution will move into the everyday, the small and the invisible.
    Mark Weiser coined the phrase "ubiquitous computing" around 1988, during his tenure as Chief Technologist of the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center (PARC). Both alone and with PARC Director and Chief Scientist John Seely Brown.
    Weiser wrote "The Computer for the 21st Century" back in 1991.â

    https://www.lri.fr/~mbl/Stanford/CS477/papers/Weiser-SciAm.pdf

    https://web.archive.org/web/20180124233736/http://www.ubiq.com:80/hypertext/weiser/UbiHome.html

    https://youtu.be/o4_CcNLd2iE

    http://lowendmac.com/ed/rosen/10ar/ubiquitous-computing.html

  16. improved interface: key to 'ambient computing' by swell · · Score: 1

    The interface between mind and machine is the prohibitive thing right now. Keyboard and mouse are primitive. Voice, slightly less primitive. The essential thing that will make computers serve us, as imagined in TFS, is a vastly improved interface.

    That will be a neural interface connecting our nerve synapses directly to an implanted intermediary. I'm imagining a parallel interface, perhaps with 81 neurons connected with 81 electrodes, creating a 64 digit path with some redundancy for individual connections that may go bad. That intermediary, in turn, will link to 'ambient' computers nearby (most likely via Bluetooth or similar) to allow us to interact with powerful machines at extremely high rates of speed. Human language will be hopelessly incapable of managing this communication. A method of my creation will easily and quickly train our minds to handle a more direct and unambiguous communication appropriate to digital devices. (Very well suited for programmers too.)

    At the moment, we eagerly await the materials that will allow a long term connection between a neuron and a digital device. There has been some progress but no success yet.

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    1. Re:improved interface: key to 'ambient computing' by Memnos · · Score: 2

      With 64 connected neurons, it's not going to be a high rate of speed. Neurons have a refractory period of about 1-4 ms between each firing, so it'll be more like dial-up modem speed.

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    2. Re:improved interface: key to 'ambient computing' by gtall · · Score: 1

      Captain Cyborg, is that you? How's the long suffering wife, is she getting better?

    3. Re:improved interface: key to 'ambient computing' by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Now, compare that to the current fastest computer interface - typing. A crazy-fast typist might reach 120WPM, or about 10 characters a second, from a set of maybe 60-80. Lets be generous, 80 characters = 6.3 bits, so 63 bits per second.

      Compare that to a 64-bit parallel interface that can fire once every 4 ms = 16,000 bits per second. 254 times as fast. Maybe half that, if we assume a symmetric bi-directional interface.

      Now, whether you could productively use that much potential bandwidth for well structured information transfer is another question all together - how much of the speed limit on a typical typist is physical dexterity and speed, versus the ability to structure thoughts coherently?

      But, if such an interface did no more than let the average person "type" at 100wpm, without any physical interaction, that would make computers far less restricting to use.

      Another possibility, probably more intuitive - i.e. better harnessing the way our brain naturally operates, would be to use the data-stream to control a pair (or more) of "virtual hands", complete with limited tactile feedback, to interact with a virtual space that could optionally be displayed in VR or AR with the use a much-higher-bandwidth headset. As an added bonus - you then have a well-trained interface to operate arm-like robots in the physical word - which would have all sorts of interesting applications. Let AI work out how the particular robot arm has to behave to put the hand where you want it to be.

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  17. If you allow that, you deserve by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    ...hacked IOT toilet paper

    1. Re:If you allow that, you deserve by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      With 24 grit?

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  18. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  19. Welcome by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

    In 20 years, the idea of picking up a device or sitting down at a computer to actively use it will seem quaintly antiquated. All computing will be ambient -- all around us all the time, whispering in our ear, augmenting the real world through our prescription eyeglasses and car windshields, perceiving our emotions and desires and taking action in the background to help us reach our business goals and live a better life. Between now and then we'll all ride together on a very interesting journey from computers we actively use to computing resources increasingly acting in the background for us.

    I, for one, welcome our Ambient Overlords.

  20. JavaScript kiddies by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1

    Sure, some javascript kiddies program purely for fun and to pad their github, not really solving anything, but that is an anomalous situation in the history of computing, by far not the majority.

    Are you sure about that being an anomaly? For all I know, Windows 10 or Mozilla Firefox could have been coded by 'JavaScript kiddies' and few people would even notice...

  21. How About by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Psychedelic Computing ?

    Techno Computing ?

    Reggae Computing

    Rock & Roll Computing

    Drum & Bass Computing
    Rhytm & Blues Computing
    Red&Blue Computing
    Gothic Computing
    Steampunk Computing
    Stove Computing (always nice to sit next to a nice and warm stove in the winter, though less nice if you leave your computing device on the stove.
    Natural Computing (using only organicaly grown vegetables)
    Etheric Computing
    Relativistic Computing
    D&D Computing
    Fantasy Computing
    sous-vide Computing

    the list goes on and on and on....

    List Computing :-D

    caption : cohere

  22. it is the other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computers don't change into a just existing unconsciously used thing. We people are lazy. We're replacing the tedious real world with an artificial more convenient one. Computers are not going to help us improve reality (e.g. help us find real friends), but they are going to provide an artificial environment that is a lot more convenient (e.g. friends can be created with a few clicks or swipes).

    Computers provide a more abstract environment, where things move faster than in reality. That's the case for games, and that's also the case for everything where computers are substituting reality.

  23. Like sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nudging? Prodding!

    Ubiquitous computers are the "big tech" (actually "big ad") corp's cattle prods.

    We are the cattle.

    Mooo.

  24. A Better Name Would Be by Memnos · · Score: 1

    Ambient Surveillance.

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    1. Re:A Better Name Would Be by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Yes, the world is moving towards walled garden devices which hands control of personal data and your personal life from the "users" over to unregulated companies who will use that data against you or sell it to the highest bidder as soon as they go out of business.

      They, or people paying them, may also try to use these devices that you don't really own or realise you're using to influence public opinion.

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  25. Can EditorDavid learn to edit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eightball and Betteridge agree: Signs point to no.

  26. Re: "all around us all the time,whispering in our by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The computer told me to vote Democrat. I did. But after I casted my vote, I still didn't get a good answer as to what a Democrat is.

    There was an option called "Republican", but the computer didn't seem to understand what that was.

  27. someone is trying to sell us a hype by Tom · · Score: 2

    Probably the author has registered "ambientcomputing.com" or something.

    I already don't sit down "to use a computer". I sit down to watch a movie, play a game, write an article, read the news or create software. The machine itself has faded into the background now that we've finally managed to the the darn things functioning most of the time so you don't spend half your waking hours just babysitting the operating system (can you tell I'm not a windows user?).

    This trend has been going on for a long time and is continuing smoothly. Yes, the machine fades more and more into the background. Both my car and my HomePod have voice interfaces and hide the fact that they're essentially computers attached to a gadget. Robots have made a lot of progress now that machine learning is real (well, computing speed became fast enough. There's little in machine learning that wasn't invented 20 years ago, but we can finally run it on consumer hardware in real-time).

    Sure, in 20 more years we will have computers in everything, reacting to sensor data, voice input and such. But that's just smart electronics. It'll blur the line to computers mostly because it's cheaper these days to put a general-purpose CPU and a full-blown OS in and write custom software than it was to build some custom electronics. From a security perspective, IoT is both a nightmare and an opportunity (where the window of opportunity is closing fast and almost nobody used it to do things the right way, but I'm not complaining it means job security for the next decades while we old guys can sell ourselves for great daily rates to all those startups who re-invented the wheel, made it square because time-to-market and now applaud our genius for telling them that it rolls better when it's round).

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    1. Re:someone is trying to sell us a hype by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      so you don't spend half your waking hours just babysitting the operating system (can you tell I'm not a windows user?).

      Yes. The hyperbole made that clear.

    2. Re:someone is trying to sell us a hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding.. Half waking hours is far too low.

  28. Dumb futurist articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are these articles, in hindsight, always so shitty?
    This reeks of "we'll have flying cars in 20 years!!" nonsense from back then.
    We do, but it's extremely niche.
    Ambient computing is for consumers, not makers, well, not all makers.
    Anything that goes beyond simple talking requires, you guessed it, actual hands-on work.
    It's akin to writing a book versus building a fucking car from scratch. Totally different tasks.

    20 years? We'll be lucky if we even have decent self-driving cars in that time! All these stupid companies claiming it will totally happen next year! After a person was terminated by one, not to mention they can be messed with by pieces of tape over signs, yeah, 2019 for sure!
    ML is brute-force crap that not a single person understands. Nobody. It's literally digital neurology levels of complicated. We've made digital brains that make their own digital brains and we have no clue how they operate. We're back to stage 1. Wooo, go autoencoding! The f u t u r e is here.
    Can't wait for that shitfest. Stay off the roads, kids, otherwise the Goog will getcha!

  29. Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hows this even new thing?

    I remember decades ago this was called ubiq computing. And its already here. mobile phones, digital banking with all its troubles, etc...

  30. Wrong by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Keyboard and mouse are primitive. Voice, slightly less primitive"

    Actually the keyboard and mouse are extremely good for the tasks they were designed for. Try saying "int main left round bracket int A-R-G-C comma char star star A-R-G-V right round bracket left curly bracket..."
    etc faster than I can type the equivalent.

    Similarly good luck using photoscope going "ok, do a transform from that point there, no left a bit, no right a bit, no there, THERE! , yes thats it, now drag that down from 10 pixels back ... no TEN, oh FFS, wheres my mouse..."

    1. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Try saying "int main left round bracket int A-R-G-C comma char star star A-R-G-V right round bracket left curly bracket..."
      As someone who had severe RSI, I actually did this using the dragon voice recognition software. It worked, passably, but yes it was slower considerably than typing.
      You'd typically add predefined variables like "argc" and "argv" to the word set, and it would be fine after a little training. Arbitrary variables less so.
      Round brackets where just voiced as "open bracket"/"close bracket", and I added "open brace" and "close brace" for { and }, so not quite as bad as you'd think.
      Voicing comments worked fine though!

    2. Re:Wrong by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Is there actually such things as "round brackets" though? You have parentheses ("open paren," "close paren"), [brackets], {braces} and <angle brackets> but you can easily train those to "open angle" and "close angle." So you're having problems at the start due to vocabulary. And it would surely understand the words pronounced "arg-sea" and "arg-vee" if it was configured for voice.

      You could already code this way in emacs in the 90s. It sucks if you're able to use a keyboard instead, of course, but it works fine once you get used to it and teach it how you pronounce the punctuation.

      Voice interface will work OK for people who also consume all their training through videos. Probably they'll be using percentages or fractions instead of the pixels used in your example. It will work well for some things.

      People who speak English, but refuse to accept that American English is the standard form, might get support last though; More people speak American English or French, or German, or Japanese, etc., etc., than speak each of the various regional English dialects.

    3. Re:Wrong by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Voice interface will work OK for people ...

      For people who don't have the luxury and benefit of two working arms, and a reasonable complement of fingers. For everyone else, touch interfaces will remain vastly superior.

      Sticks and stones, etc.

    4. Re:Wrong by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "People who speak English, but refuse to accept that American English is the standard form, might get support last though; More people speak American English or French, or German, or Japanese, etc., etc., than speak each of the various regional English dialects."

      American english is a dialect. Real english is spoken in England. The clue is in the name. Ditto if I wanted to hear proper spanish I'd visit spain, not mexico.

  31. Unless it *is* the stove! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless your computing device *is* the stove, of coursrn

    1. Re:Unless it *is* the stove! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fry eggs on my CPU, you insensitive clod!

  32. How about No? by Hylandr · · Score: 1
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  33. That's not the computers the article talks about by mapkinase · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Article poorly defines nevertheless real class of computers that did come to prominence.

    Follow the examples, not how author poorly defines the area of these examples in words.

    The key word is interaction, not the fact that computers operate in the background without people knowing it.

    Fitbit in your list is the only relevant example.

    What author talks about is about UI. Where UI is something that you control less and less with your conscience, and more and more by something that you can't control with your brain.

    fitbit monitors your pulse and pressure and computes based on that UI. Alexa monitors your spontaneous desires to buy things during advertising seasons. Almost. You still have to add "Alexa" because lawsuits.

    One of non-Tesla American car manufacturers monitors your pupil activity to detect if you are fully aware of driving while using modern car assist technologies that do not require your driving input for quite long periods of time now.

    Tesla uses the touch of your hand for the same purpose, but it's the same thing.

    Soon the computers will detect you shivering and warm you up with a whiff of a warm air from nearby air duct nozzle. Or detect your body head via infrared monitors and cool you off with a whiff of a gentle San Diego night breeze.

    There are plenty of independent driving factors that will help these sort of technologies take larger and larger share of the market:

    - aging population that (a) can't catch up with modern computing (b) loses sanity
    - necessity to know and exploit what consumer _really_ feels about things to personalize the marketing

    These two giant factors are pretty solid.

    Besides, we have already invented all these devices zillion times over in our Sci-Fi literature. This sort of computing have been a collective dream of humanity for a long time now.

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  34. Ambient spreading, voice control, and privacy by SemperOSS · · Score: 2

    The world is not shifting to ambient computing but rather ambient computing is spreading into the world.

    Ambient computing is very prominent already and from where I sit right now in my living room, I can see two actual computers (the laptop I'm working on and a Raspberry Pi that is my home server) but the number of embedded CPUs is much higher: TV, sound bar, smart light, settop box, BluRay player, calculator, smartphone, landline phone, VoIP box, printer, camera, MiFi box, ...) that's at least twelve CPUs, so ambient computing is here and has been here for a long time already.

    Voice control is never going to be relevant for a lot of computer work -- especially if you are working next to other people. I was recently working next to a small room with 20+ programmers, coding like mad. Imagine they were doing that coding by talking to their computers and the twin brothers had to be separated as the computers could not distinguish them from each other. Or how the noise level would slowly rise as each programmer is trying to get through to their computer instead of it picking up the neighbour's voice. Or how difficult it would be to concentrate in such an environment. No, that ain't gonna happen. (Probably going to be a famous embarrassment like 640kB is enough memory for any job -- Hi Bill!)

    Voice control is fine for some things when working alone (retouching photos, for example, with commands like "Brush size 200" or "Hide smoothing layer", only much retouching will be automated too so less human retouching will be needed) and many things that are intermittent like "Turn on the lights in the living room" or "What is the temperature in Anchorage right now".

    I was watching someone on his phone going through Instagram postings, which was an exercise in flick; flick; press; tap, tap, tap; press; flick; flick; ... It is hard to imagine that could be better (or quicker) done with voice commands but easy to imagine how irritating the voice commands would be to others.

    Being a sour, misanthropic curmudgeon, who values his privacy, my biggest concern is the amount of information ambient "computers" will "leak" (by design or by accident) to third parties.I have no big secrets and definitely nothing that would cause me major embarrassment (maybe a few raised eyebrows), but I still close the bathroom door when I'm out and about, just like I try to stop the information leaks online to the extent I can.

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    1. Re:Ambient spreading, voice control, and privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more like "ubiquitous computing" than "ambient though. It's everywhere, but for it to be ambient, it has to be something you don't really think about.

      The problem here though is that you really *do* think about it, because ultimately you're not in control. You're not really the one who sets things up, and there are a never ending string of inconveniences and paper-cuts, all stemming from that these devices are trying to serve several masters, which is doomed to fail. There will always be instances where your interests conflicts with one of the other masters of the device, be it the MAAFIA, Microsoft, Google or whoever, since the appliances we're talking about will always place their interests above yours.

      Voice control is never going to be relevant, no matter what setting you're in, because it sucks. Anyone who thinks it sounds like a great idea, have never had a job which forces you to talk all day long. It's slow, annoying and exhausting.

      Yeah, that data leaking is the entire purpose of this Dystopia, combined with surveillance and tracking of all kinds.

    2. Re:Ambient spreading, voice control, and privacy by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I was stuck on the bus next to some jerk "ambient spreading," I had to turn my headphones up to max and I still couldn't find my own airspace.

  35. Yet another stupid buzzword... by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 2

    ...we do really need

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    1. Re:Yet another stupid buzzword... by gtall · · Score: 1

      The buzzword is at least 20 years old. I recall when pundits were punditsizing about this way back then. It never happened at least due to technology. Now it probably won't happen due to indifference...except for the elderly. For them, it could be quite useful.

  36. We haven't even build one functioning computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, one that has no spectre issues and runs above 3GHz.

    So, get your head out of your ass, please.

  37. Oh great a new marketing term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks a lot

  38. will become one of the most overused and abused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too late.

  39. Identify, monitor and listen by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    is called spying so ads can gather more data.
    Don't let any new "computer" do this.

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  40. Automated coercion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Re: "to computing resources increasingly acting in the background for us." -- For us? Are you kidding? More likely, "for those who control our computers." The real money will be in corporations that can use our computers to coerce us into buying stuff we don't want and voting for candidates and policies that are against our best, longer-term interests. So basically, more of the same but with even fewer humans involved in the process.

  41. Re: "all around us all the time,whispering in our by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    The computer told me to vote Democrat. I did. But after I casted my vote, I still didn't get a good answer as to what a Democrat is.

    Democrats are the people who used to build things. Republicans are the people who used to care what things cost.

  42. Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is purely semantic. The tech boom of the 90s was a red herring - if we'd had modern mobile technology then, no one would have bought PCs but those that need them for actual computing, just as now. What this is talking about is appliance, and fundamentally that would be like calling phone lines or electricity 'ambient computing'. This is a very poorly written piece and post, and some very either lazy, or just sad thinking.

  43. Finally my 1997 Java ring will work?? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    The network is the computer. Java Ubiquitous computing. Smart toasters.

    https://www.javaworld.com/arti...

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  44. Yes, watching us, and all of it hackable by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

    Until we figure out how to write secure apps and apps that don't crash or need continual updates, ambient computing is a dystopia.

  45. Jiminy Jarvis and the Mexican ubiquity stand-off by epine · · Score: 1

    The easiest way to debunk this kind of naive futurism is to postulate what else much also change.

    Right now we're in a time of tremendous asymmetry, where the vast majority of computer serves against the explicit interests of the end user. You know, you've got a life plan to make something of yourself, and the Internet says "hey, dude, why don't you click on these artfully extended boobies instead (we know you want to)". But you don't want to, just a tiny little bit of your lizard brain craves a short-term dopamine hit. The less you feed your lizard, the easier it becomes to tune out distraction and make something out of your life.

    Until this dynamic is fixed, ambient computing is for schmucks only. Guaranteed, the further you fall into the ambience, the more your lizard brain is carved up by the ad auction of least customer thriving give-a-shit.

    Wake me up when ambient computing serves to manage unwanted provocations of our lizard brains, like a good Jiminy Jarvis.

    Because the smart money won't be voluntarily boarding good ship Ubiquitous Titillation on present terms.

  46. Re:Jiminy Jarvis and the Mexican ubiquity stand-of by epine · · Score: 1

    Most of my typos are full-word substitutions: "what else must also change" turned into "what else much also change" when my "time to eat your yummy freshly baked bread" oven-timer went off mid-sentence, causing the ch from 'change' to subconsciously channel David Bowie, by the all-too-alluring lizard logic.

  47. What fresh hell is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll identify, monitor and listen to us and respond to our perceived needs and habits...

    (actually isn't that the stale hell we used to call the world-wide-web back in olden times?)

  48. Ambulant by spikeysnack · · Score: 0

    Ambulant not ambient.
    Computing has gone mobile, it has become physically portable.
    It has grown wheels and legs, and wings, and hands.
    It has become wireless.

    The inevitability that matter will have the power of a mind is
    manifesting before out very eyes. Right now we consider
    computers as "smart tools" for our use, but soon that moniker
    will be put back on us by the machines. We will be the "smart tools"
    with limited uses for furthering their objectives.

    We throw around the term "AI" like a comic book superhero,
    not having much idea about it. But we need to change AI to
    Evolving, Adaptive, Responsive, Purposeful, Mobile, Manipulative, or something
    to more accurately describe the Ambulant and Self-Governing nature
    of the Semi-Autonomous hypersmart machines in our near future.

    Spybots are already here, roaming around electronically scooping
    up data from fixed locations, and a small percentage can fly or creep around
    on wheels. Experimental mini spybots are insect-like with legs or snake-like
    with articulating skeletons and the mechanical equivalent of muscles.

    Expectations towards machines are still in the stage where
    people do not expect a machine to order them around.
    We are still at the stage where there is almost always
    a way to get around a machines decisions by talking to
    a real person with "higher authority" than the computer.
    But unless we make it a law, and soon, that that will always
    be the case, it won't always be the case.
    When there is no way to get around a machine's decision
    we can't live with, there will be a wake-up call.
    When a doctor-bot refuses to treat an influential human
    for some machine-derived reason, there will be hell to pay
    and a re-think of the machine-man relationship. Hopefully
    it will not be too late by then.

  49. So don't buy the products by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    So don't buy IoT or persistent-listening devices.

    Marketers are trying hard to push these things on consumers, but if no one buys them, then it won't happen.

  50. Alternative Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually want this but I object to the name. I want Ambien Computing!

    Zzzz...

  51. Re:Jiminy Jarvis and the Mexican ubiquity stand-of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you don't want to, just a tiny little bit of your lizard brain craves a short-term dopamine hit.

    That's a great way to put it. Nice.

    I think the same thing, and I'm afraid it's going to doom our society in the end. That next kitty meme is more and more winning out against... let's say... learning math and science. Or woodworking.

  52. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...not for anything important to the user;
    Important to busybodies, spies, marketers, and authoritarians?
    That might be a different question, with a different answer....

    Irony: $CAPTCHA=="marvels"

  53. Re:That's not the computers the article talks abou by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    The key word is interaction, not the fact that computers operate in the background without people knowing it.

    Yeah, most of the things on my list are like that because they didn't used to have (general purpose) CPUs in them.

    What author talks about is about UI. Where UI is something that you control less and less with your conscience, and more and more by something that you can't control with your brain.

    Sounds like a more apt name would be Invasive Computing. Seems like marketing isn't too keen on the truth though.

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  54. sure by sad_ · · Score: 1

    why not, but NOT if it includes all the build-in spyware these things come with today.

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