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A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds (fastcompany.com)

That shocking statistic comes from a study conducted by Amnesty International and AI software startup Element AI. From a report: In the study, called Troll Patrol, Amnesty International and Element AI looked at data from 288,000 tweets sent to 778 female politicians and journalists in the U.S. and U.K. in 2017. Using machine learning on the data, the group then extrapolated just how wide-ranging abuse toward women is on Twitter. The result: 1.1 million abusive or problematic tweets were sent to the women in the study during the year -- that's one abusive or problematic tweet every 30 seconds. And it's even worse for women of color -- and especially black women -- who were targeted more frequently than white women.

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  1. Machine learning by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that criticism is trolling.

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    1. Re:Machine learning by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Well yeah, how else can you get people to want to outlaw it?

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  2. What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many men are abused or sent problematic tweets on twitter.

    Why limit research to one segment to create a self confirming headline?

    1. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      1 in 4 homeless are women. Plz halp

    2. Re:What does problematic mean? by easyTree · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who cares, only women and children matter. Men are to be sent into battle.

    3. Re: What does problematic mean? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They really needed a control group here.

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    4. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      On the face of it, attacks on women appear distinct in their character from attacks on men, although exactly how different is obviously possible to exaggerate. But before you object, yes, there have been studies that focus on male victims of social media bullying too, they just didn't get a mention here.

      Of course they wouldn't mention it. Because those studies show overall, men receive more online abuse. That wouldn't go so well for the desired outcome of this particular "study".

    5. Re: What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That study is completely useless tripe by a dimwitted liberal trying to make some point that 'women have it hard'. You know what, yeah they do. So do men. So do straights. So do whites. So does everyone. These liberal whiney losers think they are so smart because they 'have shown how hard it is for women'. Complete imbeciles. I can name a single guy who gets abused 30 TIMES PER SECOND on Twitter. So that's 900 times as frequently, by 1/778th of the population. Let's see, simple math would say that it looks like men must have it 700,200 times as hard as women!?!?

      Oh, that doesn't compute? You're right, it doesn't, and making such an ascertation would be irresponsible. But so is this study. Even without saying that 'this is soooo aweful', it has clearly been written to imply it as somehow lopsided against women and how bad all us terrible misogynists are by NOT MAKING ANY ATTEMP TO NORMALIZE WHAT THAT MEANS OR HOW IT RELATES TO THE HARDSHIPS OF ANY OTHER GROUP. That omission is designed to elicit anger. So until those irresponsible f-wads fix their study and all the articles that devolved from it, I will stand with my fact based analytical response that it must be 700,200 times worse for men based on my sampling, and I didn't have to be some liberal whiney weeney spending 6 months to come up with that.

      Jesus, and they keep blaming conservatives, but this BS that is designed to create strife while trying to feign innocence flows ever hour of every day from liberals. You know what? It's working, strife has been down and conservatives either have liberals because we can see right through this BS, or because we know a large percentage of your are so stupid you actually believe this BS is real and that women somehow have it so much more awful than men.

      Any woman who is on Twitter has it a thousand times better in every respect than quote not on Twitter. Holy f, go see how women in third world countries are treated if you want to talk about how bad women have it. In virtually every first world country women have it way better. You see people tripping over themselves here to come and and a woman being assaulted or in distress while meet get hammered and other men then jump in to hammer the6n further.

      This sort of crapola is why conservatives really are starting to *really* hate liberals.

      Stop it.

    6. Re: What does problematic mean? by karlandtanya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Folks, this ain't science; if you measure it by that yardstick it will come up short.

      To answer your question, it's because the popular narrative is that women are victims, passive, and must be protected while not-women are villains, aggressive, and must be punished. Of course, repeatedly recognizing that your sample set ' 778 women politicians and journalists with an active, non-protected Twitter account, with fewer than 1 million followers' is flawed doesn't make it any less so. The sample isn't chosen to test a hypothesis; the goal here is to tell a story.

      Element AI has provided a sample of their work to Amnesty in exchange for some goodwill. Decorating their product in the style of a scientific study is similarly insincere.

      As an ad for Element AI it's valid: We can generate buzz for your issue.
      As a political statement from Amnesty International, it's also valid: We need more civil and more enforcable social norms in social media.

      As social science it's crap, but that's neither Element AI's or Amnesty Internal's job.

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    7. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      A simple search turns up these:
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-27/research-claiming-women-are-half-of-online-abusers-flawed/7452568
      https://phys.org/news/2014-10-online-abuse-affects-men-women.html
      http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/

      There is a lot of misinformation from all sides.. Anything to reinforce their specific ideas or points..

      Try to keep an open mind and listen to both sides and maybe you learn something new from time to time.

    8. Re:What does problematic mean? by sfcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why limit research to one segment to create a self confirming headline?

      To answer your question: because you can't study everything at the same time without making assumptions you can't justify yet. This happens all the time in social sciences. Before you can safely lump things together you have to study them separately.

      I was going to mod you down for this but I will comment instead. This isn't science. If someone thinks it is, then they need to turn in their science card at the library. Anytime you setup an experiment, you have a control group. The amount of anything experienced by one group only has meaning when compared to the amount experienced by another group(s) which usually includes a control group. In this case, probably a group of men (or at least non-women). If it came out that the control group is attacked by someone on twitter every second what conclusion would you draw from those two data sets. If instead it was once every minute that a person in the control group was abused, would your conclusions be different? Add to that that possibly there is a gender imbalance in numbers of interactions per capita between the two groups and this one bit of research is meaningless. And it's stuff like this that causes "social scientists" to be considered junk science and for their entire field to be put into quotes by other scientists. Because an experiment without a control group isn't an experiment. Its somewhere between bad science and propaganda.

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    9. Re:What does problematic mean? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      because you can't study everything at the same time without making assumptions you can't justify yet. This happens all the time in social sciences. Before you can safely lump things together you have to study them separately.

      Sure. It makes sense that abuse towards women is different in nature than abuse towards men, and that abuse towards women of color is different still. And to understand the nature, the causes and effects on the victims, and the perpetrators, you would have to study them separately. But the summary at least has no issues mentioning women of color as a separate class, then lumping them in at the same time. But most importantly: if you run a clickbaity headline like "Women are abused on Twitter every 30 seconds", then at least provide a basis of comparison even if you "don't have the time or resources" to also do an in depth study of abuse of men online. Is 30/s a lot? Or is it average or even below average?

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    10. Re:What does problematic mean? by umghhh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder what is this social science, you talk about? I mean science is a way to find explanations for things based on facts and reason. According to wikipedia and my dictionary the word comes from Latin word meaning 'knowledge'. How does social science with significant 'social justice' element (i.e. bias) fit into this? If even particle physics does exclude people based on their (male) gender then social science cannot really be better.

      As for your claims of them social 'scientists' not having done full analysis just yet and hushing with their significant results. This is just plain wrong - in modern times a claim of females being oppressed has such political weight that no serious scientist should have claims based on partial data. Then there is this other thing: besides ex.boyfriends having the urge to call their former better parts names - how many of the bad words (assuming they are really bad and not something like: 'this was a mistake because...' or 'you looked better in another rock' etc) were written by females? This again causes serious problem in our culture sliding ever faster into matriarchat.

      Yet another thought I had - according to modern social science the gender thing is nothing more than a cultural construct. How does that work here - are these abused females sure about their identity and how many of the abusers can be culturally identified as males and females and how does that look like in a comparison between all combinations?

      Besides all this, I do not think we can have facts and reason based arguments about such subjects so I apologize and commit for searching of reeducation camp in the vicinity, being white old male etc.

    11. Re:What does problematic mean? by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are not studying everything at the same time. They study something very specific. They study "Abuse on twitter". This is not so different to "Xmas messages on twitter".

      So you first see how many messages are send. That you compare to the total amount send. This both in total and per individual. You will see that some get none and some get a lot.
      You can even analyze from how many people it is from. You will see some will send nothing and some will send a lot. Some will even send something to themselves.

      Once you have that information, you can look at different factors. e.g. country of where the message comes from and is send to. You can also loom at age, gender, activity in general per account and a lot more things.

      The focus could be a conclusion of a genral research. You should not START with a focus group, because that will skew the results.

      As you stated,the best social studies tend to take big trends and parse then into pieces. If you start with only women, you start with peices already.

      They should have gone with "Abuse on Twitter" instead they went with "Abuse on women that use twitter". This is just as horrible as looking for "Criminal behaviour among black males" or "Greed among the Jewish population" or "Patriachial behaviour among fat bold white males". Because you are clearly steering the investigation.

      And let us look a bit closer. From the website: "778 women politicians and journalists". So not only are these women, these are women in jobs that are in aprofession that will get controversial reactions, no matter what.

      e.g. if they have an opinions on e.g. birth control, no matter their side, somebody will be against their opinion. And that is what people will tweet. So that number of one every 30 seconds suddenly sounds very low. It is ONLY one every 30 second? That's it?

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    12. Re:What does problematic mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You could google for yourself you know. This one aims at celebrities, but there's others that show the same trend for the general public. https://demos.co.uk/press-release/demos-male-celebrities-receive-more-abuse-on-twitter-than-women-2/

      Also, fun fact, women abuse people on twitter at the same rate as men, https://qz.com/692902/on-twitter-a-study-says-half-of-all-sexist-abuse-comes-from-women/

      Those damn women hating women!

    13. Re:What does problematic mean? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean a group of people with a specific characteristic are subject to attack based that same characteristic? Shocking! It is all just grievance studies, in this case, they have extrapolated high profile people to the whole of twitter to come up with a fake statistic. This is called sample selection bias.

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    14. Re:What does problematic mean? by William+Baric · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm French. I had to do a mandatory military service. The minimum was 10 months, but in my case, I did two years. The regular "pay" for a conscript was 531F a month (about $80 per month). This was given to conscripts so they could buy hygiene products (soap, toilet paper, razors, etc.), since those were not supplied by the army. Of course, only men were required to do a military service. Women could choose to do it if they wanted to, but they were not required to do anything. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. In all Western societies, men have it a lot worse than women.

    15. Re:What does problematic mean? by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

      is that even true though? ESPECIALLY on social media. Now if the topic were "men receive more abuse in online video games". Yes I'd fully expect men to be the majority, and trash talk goes out nonstop. Facebook and twitter? I'd be very shocked if men had a strong numbers advantage there, I'd expect it to be pretty close on a "has an account" rate, and I'd really expect women to have a fairly strong majority in "post count" etc...

    16. Re: What does problematic mean? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Good point. Men are called "fags" all the time on the Webnets.

      Boom! You win the debate! (seriously)

      I've been called names like that, encouraged to kill myself, and other forms of "abuse". Yet I just read those posts without a thought, until you brought that up.

      And while I try not to act like that - with occasional slips - I don't think a thing of it.

      So the question is Why? Why is something that means almost nothing to me and most other males, an unforgivable assault upon women?

      It certainly isn't that women cannot be cruel. I've seen women go after other women and attempt to destroy them without any regret.

      The idea that all spaces must be made safe for those who can brook no adversity or disagreement isn't going to work.

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    17. Re: What does problematic mean? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Well that's pretty much the definition of ad homenim. You don't like what the authors are saying so you'd going for a character assassination instead.

      When feminists run to the UN to complain that "it's the everyday-to-day run of the mill tweets" that are harassment, then the parent poster has easily proven their point that these people are progressive shills aiming for more censorship. You know, the same censorship that's been pushed heavily by the left for the last decade. To the point that they now claim that "disagreement is harassment." The authors are shit, just like the assholes who parrot the "1:4 women are homeless" or "11% of workplace deaths are female" or "1:3 women will be sexually assaulted" "7% of suicides are female" garbage, propaganda and bullshit. Then demand, that governments come up with programs(or throw money at these things) to specifically target these groups when men are lined up out the door, around the block and into the next couple of streets waiting for help.

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    18. Re:What does problematic mean? by dcw3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a veteran and 7 year single dad, I'll answer for you. Taking care of a toddler is cake compared to war. Got it?

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    19. Re: What does problematic mean? by ewibble · · Score: 2
      Also the words "shocking statistic" why is it shocking that a woman gets abused on facebook or twitter every 30 seconds? Half the worlds population of 7.7 billion people are online. At that rate the average person commits an insult once every 122 years. Yes that is shockingly low, but I don't think that is what they meant.

      The maths:

      p/r = 1/30 where p is the population online, r seconds per insult per person

      30 * p = r

      Also from (https://www.worldhunger.org/world-hunger-and-poverty-facts-and-statistics/) 3.1 million children die from hunger annually, that is 1 every 10 seconds, although you also need to take into account population, somebody actually died not had an insult directed at them online which they may or may not have read.

      So a not so bad thing happens, not so often is now "shocking".

    20. Re:What does problematic mean? by chiefcrash · · Score: 2

      This wasn't exactly simply "gathering statistics", was it?

      After all, didn't they make comparisons based off the ethnic group of the women?

      Didn't they also compare what effect (if any) political affiliation and profession had on the data in the "statistics gathering"?

      the "study" includes a conclusion and a call to action. Is that part of simple statistics gathering as well?

      Also, you can certainly create propaganda through nothing more than selective statistics gathering. Allow me to share with you some troubling statistics regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide...

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  3. Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for Men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without a meaningful baseline to compare against, what does the stat mean? (from what I've read, they didn't bother measuring the abuse frequency against male tweeters - sort of the same as when it's mentioned the appalling statistic that 10,000 women committed suicide in 2016 whilst deliberately neglecting to mention that 35,000 men committed suicide the same year)

  4. Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not a peep about how many abusive tweets were sent to men, using the same criteria.

    Why would that be, exactly? Is it because women are the weaker sex, and hence need to be protected from this sort of thing, whereas men are stronger and hence don't need such protection?

    Or is it that nobody gives a shit about men, whether they are stronger or not?

    Or maybe men get WAY MORE abuse on twitter, but pointing that out won't substantiate the desired narrative?

    1. Re:Men? by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      It certainly couldn't be men used as the control group, because the study is not about abuse by gender so that makes no sense.

      Emphasis mine. It seems, however, the linked article directly disagrees with you:

      a joint effort by human rights researchers, technical experts and thousands of online volunteers to build the world’s largest crowd-sourced dataset of online abuse against women

      The study is exclusively about abuse towards a gender.

      The study is not making any claims that would be validated by using a control group of male subjects.

      True, which was exactly why men were excluded by conscious decision. You're dancing around the fact that it provides claims in a partial vacuum by selection bias (small group and hand picked as pols/journalists) and no base to compare against (other than a women's skin tone competition, ie: intersectionality).

  5. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by microbox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Typical "intersectional" reporting. What is the base rate of abuse? Always be suspicious of people who quote absolute statistics. If you look at the research on this, you find that men are abused more than women, and that when a woman receives abuse, it is more likely to be from another woman. But the facts don't suit the narrative of the poor innocent woman being persecuted by the evil mens. PATHETIC.

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    1. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by Shaitan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What are they even defining as abuse?

    2. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics. by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 2, Funny

      It doesn't matter. It's never ok to be offensive or insensitive to a woman, online or offline, no matter what you think about them personally or about their politics.

      Except for that one fat slut, Stephanie.

  6. I'm not sure you know what that word even means by guruevi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does the female version of the app come with rockem sockem robots attached? You're on a public platform where people's thoughts are brought to you unfiltered. I am surprised that only 1 in every 125000 messages is mean to a woman.

    How about you ignore that 1 message and read the other 124999. Or like me, read none.

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  7. How is someone "abused" by a tweet? by Jarwulf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do the 280 characters or less reach out and pull their hair and choke them?

  8. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Shaitan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And what constitutes "abused"

  9. Context Is Missing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just looked at the published methodology.

    I detect some issues with their methodology. Definitions of what constitute "abusive" or "problematic" tweets are explained in Appendix E.

    Their explanations of the categories do not seem very precise. They are vague enough to include lots of edge-cases. Their examples are clear enough, but a clear example does not exonerate a vague criterion. (Hypothetical example: "I am going to murder you tomorrow" is certainly an example of abusive and threatening speech... but what else is in included as threating and abusive speech? Counterexamples are also necessary, else "I hate that rabbit in the field behind your house" might also be considered abusive.)

    But more to the point, a full 55% of the tweets they flag as "abusive content" fall under the category of "other"... and that's a huge red flag.

    They describe "other" thus: There will be some tweets that fall under the âother categoryâ(TM) that are problematic and/or abusive. For example, statements that target a userâ(TM)s disability, be it physical or mental, or content that attacks a womanâ(TM)s nationality, health status, legal status, employment, etc.

    Uh... yeah. "Some" is 55%. And not only is this one the majority, it is a particularly vague definition. For example, if someone replies to an irate tweet, "Calm down! I know the Irish are famous for temper, but cool down a little!" is that "targeting a woman's nationality"? According to their description, it could be.

    But here is the biggest problem with this study:

    Nowhere did they compare this to any other groups. They singled out famous women and women in politics, but they didn't compare against famous men and men in politics.

    And since there is no such comparison, it's all pretty much meaningless.

    What if famous men and men in politics are "abused" on Twitter every 31 seconds? Or every 28 seconds?

    Without that knowledge, does the study really say anything other than "the subset of people we chose got 'abused' at this rate?"

    So what? Nothing to compare it to makes it pretty much useless knowledge.

    While what they say may be true,

  10. Re:One individual man probably gets more bad tweet by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    if you believe the extrapolation they did with their AI. (Why AI instead of simple arithmetic?)

    It seems like they trained it to distinguish abusive from non-abusive tweets, using a relatively small dataset. Then they sent the AI out to classify at a much larger set of tweets on the internet.

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  11. Amnesty International-- really? by Harvey+Manfrenjenson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The disturbing part isn't that somebody published this absolutely idiotic study. (I won't go into why it is idiotic, since literally every other post has pointed out one or more serious flaws in the study-- rarely have I ever seen anything ripped to shreds quite this thoroughly). No, the disturbing part is that Amnesty International was involved. THIS is what Amnesty International is doing these days?

    I mean I'm not an expert, but I always thought Amnesty International was one of the most respected of all human-rights organizations-- the sort of organization I would donate money to. Not any more.

  12. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And what constitutes "abused"

    Saying anything I don’t like.

  13. A woman on Twitter is abused every 30 seconds by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess women either shouldn't use Twitter or limit their sessions to 29 seconds to avoid being abused.

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  14. And a Trump voter ever 30 milliseconds. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds

    And a Trump voter ever 30 milliseconds. So what else is new?

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  15. Re:Hmm by quenda · · Score: 2

    No, the whole story is an obvious troll. Let's just move on.

  16. A Woman on Twitter is Abused Every 30 Seconds by ChatHuant · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I can't believe she hasn't closed her account yet...

  17. How is it possible? by bblb · · Score: 2

    How is it even possible to be "abused on twitter"??? What the fuck happened to sticks and stones and all that? I swear, this is the most delicate generation in history that written on words on social media now constitute "abuse"... and an honest disservice to all the victims of actual abuse in the real world that their suffering is being coopted by snowflakes on social media who get hurt by words.

  18. How much abuse was from other women? by Qango · · Score: 2

    How much abuse was from other women?

  19. Re:Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for M by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

    They explain their methodology and there is actually a textbox you can put your own test tweets into and it will give you an analysis and "problematic" score. It's right near the bottom of the page.

    As for a the GP's question, they are not comparing to anything external. The study isn't making the claim that it's worse for women, merely that women get a now quantified amount of abuse and that it affects certain sub-groups more than others (women of colour, women with left leaning views/politics).

    As a general point if men were getting as much or even more abuse, it wouldn't make any difference. Also studying how it affects women is helpful for men being abused too, as often the solutions are similar for both.

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  20. Re:A Nerd on Slashdot is by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More importantly, how many of those abusive posts were written by women?

    (and how many abusive posts did men receive?)

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  21. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Informative

    It also very much depends on how you define attack. I would rather like to see the precise definition before rushing to any judgement.

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  22. Are insults "abuse" now? by sabbede · · Score: 3, Informative
    Let's get real here. Insulting someone is not the same as abusing them.

    Where exactly did this idea, that being offended by insulting language is abuse, come from? It's nonsense and we need to get away from it.

  23. So? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Ever play Call of Duty on public servers with voice chat enabled?

    I get called a "motherfucking faggot" around once per second by random 12 year olds there, does that count as 'abuse'?

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  24. Matthew 11:8 by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This. Without any baseline to compare against the statistic quoted is meaningless.

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    1. Re:Matthew 11:8 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      This. Without any baseline to compare against the statistic quoted is meaningless.

      Probably is. Reading TFA, it appears that this is yet another attempt to label the female of the species as a protected class. This would extend to women permanent status of children, as a sort of permanent prey that is easily damaged.

      Whereas once upon a time, women were encouraged to be strong and independent, now for some reason there are people trying to make them permanent children.

      And we have to face it, a person who is incapable of fending off assholes on the internet is hardly the archetype of a strong independent person.

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  25. Re: A Nerd on Slashdot is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It also very much depends on how you define attack. I would rather like to see the precise definition before rushing to any judgement.

    I think you'll find that opinions run the gamut from actual abuse, to disagreement.

    These claims often trend to the silly. My wife is asked out all the time on line. In today's world, that is sexual harassment. She just giggles and tells the guy he's not man enough, but many women need intensive counselling for the grave damage done.

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  26. Re: Didn't measure/compare against abuse rate for by Bert64 · · Score: 2

    Emotional pain is self inflicted, for it to have any effect you have to actually care about whoever's saying stuff about you...
    People online can say anything they like about me, i don't care and it's not going to cause me any pain. If close friends or family said something it might hurt. You certainly won't be able to hurt me with your words, but you're more than welcome to try.

    If care that much what random anonymous commenters on the internet say about you then you should seek some help from a psychiatrist.

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