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Mark Zuckerberg-Funded Researchers Test Implantable Brain Devices (scmp.com)

Mark Zuckerberg and his pediatrician wife Priscilla Chan have sold close to 30 million shares of Facebook to fund an ambitious biomedical research project, called the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative (CZI), with a goal of curing all disease within a generation. A less publicized component of that US$5 billion program includes work on brain-machine interfaces, devices that essentially translate thoughts into commands. From a report: One recent project is a wireless brain implant that can record, stimulate and disrupt the movement of a monkey in real time. In a paper published in the highly cited scientific journal Nature on Monday, researchers detail a wireless brain device implanted in a primate that records, stimulates, and modifies its brain activity in real time, sensing a normal movement and stopping it immediately. Those researchers are part of the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub, a non-profit medical research group within the CZI. Scientists refer to the interference as "therapy" because it is designed to be used to treat diseases like epilepsy or Parkinson's by stopping a seizure or other disruptive motion just as it starts.

"Our device is able to monitor the primate's brain while it's providing the therapy so you know exactly what's happening," Rikky Muller, a co-author of the new study, told Business Insider. A professor of computer science and engineering at the University of California, Berkeley, Muller is also a Biohub investigator. The applications of brain-machine interfaces are far-reaching: while some researchers focus on using them to help assist people with spinal cord injuries or other illnesses that affect movement, others aim to see them transform how everyone interacts with laptops and smartphones. Both a division at Facebook formerly called Building 8 as well as an Elon Musk-founded company called Neuralink have said they are working on the latter.

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  1. First candidate for this - himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kind of like the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz. If I only had a brain...

    1. Re: First candidate for this - himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so....what sort of of advertising rates could FB charge if they inject the ads directly into the users brain?

    2. Re: First candidate for this - himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like "it" is just now finding out how to procreate.

    3. Re: First candidate for this - himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh this is literally a comedians dream. Where to begin? Should we starrt with the requisite Iâ(TM)m Mark Zuckerberg and your not joke?

    4. Re: First candidate for this - himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we are back to the dark ages of computing. An ALU will do basic arithmetic. A CPU with a giant aluminum heat sink and a minuscule annoying cache will allocate memory all with a long wire running out of the back of the head to an outlet on the side of your house. And the damn snot nosed kid next door nitpicks over how efficient your system is in a way that nobody cares much about. Whats next, miracle Gro for your each and every silicon hairs?

    5. Re: First candidate for this - himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FB sells users, not ads. Zuck specifically said to congress they run ads, not sell ads.

    6. Re: First candidate for this - himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joking aside, this is actually medical research and as someone with a movement disorder, Iâ(TM)m really thankful theyâ(TM)re doing it because current treatments are terrifyingly outdated compared to this. This device is made specifically for detecting and interfering with seizure-like brain activity.

      I really hope they go on with it and get an actual approved device out of it. I would get this implant today if it was possible.

    7. Re: First candidate for this - himself by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Oh this is literally a comedians dream. Where to begin? Should we starrt with the requisite IÃ(TM)m Mark Zuckerberg and your not joke?

      I think I'll just go with a tried-and-true classic.

      https://youtu.be/s2NNZdigSXg

      Strat

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    8. Re: First candidate for this - himself by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "And we are back to the dark ages..."

      Not according to this:

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/r...

      "These devices can be extremely effective at preventing debilitating tremors or seizures in patients with a variety of neurological conditions. But the electrical signatures that precede a seizure or tremor can be extremely subtle, and the frequency and strength of electrical stimulation required to prevent them is equally touchy. It can take years of small adjustments by doctors before the devices provide optimal treatment.

      WAND, which stands for wireless artifact-free neuromodulation device, is both wireless and autonomous, meaning that once it learns to recognize the signs of tremor or seizure, it can adjust the stimulation parameters on its own to prevent the unwanted movements. And because it is closed-loop -- meaning it can stimulate and record simultaneously -- it can adjust these parameters in real-time."

  2. Donâ(TM)t use Apple Products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I donâ(TM)t use them and neither should you.

    1. Re:Donâ(TM)t use Apple Products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Funny.

    2. Re:Donâ(TM)t use Apple Products by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      WTF?
      What does Zuckerberg and Apple have to do with each other?

  3. A old question by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    How much of your brain can be replaced by parts until you are just a simulation of yourself

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    1. Re:A old question by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And that simulation would differ... how?

      It's like running a system on bare metal vs an emulator. Only the hardware differs, the software might be even unaware of anything being "amiss".

      It gets even funnier if the emulator itself is emulated. Like... are you so sure our universe is running on bare "metal"?

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    2. Re:A old question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And that simulation would differ... how?

      It's like running a system on bare metal vs an emulator. Only the hardware differs, the software might be even unaware of anything being "amiss".

      If our brains differentiated between hard- and software, we wouldn't need to sleep. After a few days without sleep, you start halluscinating. Some time later, you die. The hardwire is rewired differently every time we wake up, and the relation between the prevalent conscious self interpretation and the brain's state in its various differently volatile combined storage and processing centers is different every time.

      It's a wonder most of us don't need to be institutionalized permanently, at least if you don't consider society institutionalization by itself.

    3. Re:A old question by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      I think the point he was going for was, if each replacement is a slightly imperfect replica of the original, neither you nor anyone else will probably be able to tell any difference for the first few replacements. But at which point do you stop being 'you' and start being something else? If you could fabricate replacement parts perfect down to the quantum level, of course this isn't a really valid question. But in the real world, it would be. Anyone who uses emulated software knows that it doesn't always behave identically to the original in all situations because it isn't the original.

    4. Re: A old question by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Will UAE on MacOS in ShapeShifter be the fastest Amiga?

    5. Re:A old question by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      if each replacement is a slightly imperfect replica of the original, neither you nor anyone else will probably be able to tell any difference for the first few replacements. But at which point do you stop being 'you' and start being something else?

      So it'd be just like human body, then?

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    6. Re:A old question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an old question and preceded by even older questions. For instance, how much of your memory can you lose and still remain yourself? After a traumatic brain injury, are you still you? For instance, Uhura was brain wiped by Nomad (This is a modern example of the issue). Is the "new" Uhura, Uhura? This was given relatively little treatment in the episdoe and dealt with via the "reset" from episode to episode. But left a question, are we the sum of our memories or just the result of some basic fundamental programming? Replacing a part of your brain would require relearning. Are you still you?

      I guess the fundamental question is "What is a soul?"

    7. Re:A old question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're as stupid and unable to comprehend basic concepts as your signature suggests. Good to know.

    8. Re:A old question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But at which point do you stop being 'you' and start being something else?

      Immediately and it has nothing to do with the replacements, and 'something' is the wrong word. Someone else is more accurate.
      Every experience we have makes us a different person that we was before.

      If you create a complete replica of yourself, atom for atom, then this identical clone would be a different person since its experiences diverges from the original immediately.
      There is nothing that makes this clone less of a person or worth less in any way.

      When thinking about issues like this it is very important to differentiate between what a human is and what a person is.
      Most of the time it is the person that matters, not the human.
      If you have a friend at that friends mind was put in a computer and the body became a mindless drone then that body would still be human but completely worthless.
      The computer with the friends mind would be what would have value.

      There is a pretty good computer game/walking simulator called SOMA that helps you explore/organize your thoughts regarding the ethics of transhumanism.
      It is marketed as a 'horror game' but that label doesn't really make it justice.

    9. Re:A old question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that simulation would differ... how?

      It's like running a system on bare metal vs an emulator. Only the hardware differs, the software might be even unaware of anything being "amiss".

      It gets even funnier if the emulator itself is emulated. Like... are you so sure our universe is running on bare "metal"?

      the universe is run on a simulator that is run on a simulator that is simulated by the previous simulator.. simple... no bare metal.. just circular logic :-)

    10. Re: A old question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be a simulation of you and you could very well be absent from the simulation.

      Something could exist that looks and acts just like you, but your soul component is missing, so you're dead and just appear to be alive.

    11. Re:A old question by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      I was with you till this:

      "If you have a friend and that friends mind was put in a computer"

      The mind isn't defined as a something that we can consider as the kind of thing we can be put in a computer.

    12. Re:A old question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      society is a form of institutionalization because it reenforces behavior and expectations. It sets schedules and pressures, ultimately due to the entropic nature of existence.

    13. Re:A old question by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Ask the Tin Woodsman.

  4. They tried to use it on Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I/O error...

    1. Re:They tried to use it on Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY HE NOT EMPEACH YET.?????

    2. Re: They tried to use it on Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AND HOW IS BABBY FORMED?

  5. I believe you swapped two words by ruddk · · Score: 1

    What they want is to swap commands into thoughts.
    Obey.

  6. Corrolary: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much of your brain can be replaced by parts until you are just a simulation of yourself

    How much of your brain can be removed by parts until you are just a simulation of Mark Zuckerberg? I can see it play out: "Nope, still acting conscientious. We aren't there yet."

  7. Every Breath You Take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And every move you make
    Every bond you break, every step you take
    I'll be watching you

    Every single day
    And every word you say
    Every game you play, every night you stay
    I'll be watching you

    Captcha: seceded

  8. If I were Zuckerberg by hey! · · Score: 1

    I'd say, why the hell not? Apparently nothing I do skeeves people out, so why not get direct access to their brains?

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  9. I like how the most abuseable devices by Dirk+Becher · · Score: 1

    are always built with the most benevolent intentions.

    1. Re:I like how the most abuseable devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are always built with the most benevolent intentions.

      Come again? This is Mark Zuckerberg. What you call "benevolent intentions", he calls "tax deductible". That's all. The openly malicious parts are not tax deductible so there is no need to make them presentable in polite company.

    2. Re:I like how the most abuseable devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first industrial purpose of any invention tends to be military in nature. Nuclear power was mostly due to the need to produce plutonium for bombs but was marketed far differently to the public.

  10. Re: trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We will win. 4 more years of Trump, and a whole lot of leftist suicides.

  11. Re: trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Damn right! Itâ(TM)s time to let China and Russia take the lead while we focus on denying education and healthcare to every US citizen that isnâ(TM)t a millionaire

  12. I thought we stopped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    abusing monkeys for our psycho pleasure, Note to Mark, you want to play with this stuff, lets use your body/brain. You are sick Mark, SICK.

    1. Re:I thought we stopped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Chan Zuckerberg Monkey Torture Initiative. So they can be remembered for something less horrible than Facebook.

  13. Oh great just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ads and surveillance in the brain. Can't wait.

  14. Mark Zuckerberg-Funded Researchers by CosineHamster · · Score: 1

    | a wireless brain implant that can record, stimulate and disrupt the movement of a monkey in real time. | Next up: Villains controlling monkeys remotely wherever they are. 100 000 Frank Baum fans "liked" this idea.

  15. So not only humans by aliquis · · Score: 2

    He supports animal abuse.

  16. Re: trump by aliquis · · Score: 1

    LOL at Russia taking the lead.

    How much lead have you taken?

  17. As an added bonus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only will this device eventually serve you advertisements you can't ignore, but it will share your very thoughts with Facebook's partners!

  18. wow! it can "disrupt" your brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How awesome is that?? Every millennial faggot is lining up to get a shitty Jewberg device that can interfere with your mind.

    Future looks bright

  19. And now users can't be separated from Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even for $1,000. See the next article for reference.

  20. No thanks! by macbass · · Score: 1

    Laudable, if stupid, goal. And just another way for the duo to distract from all the evil Facebook does and will continue to do. And if you think they won't monetize this somehow, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

    1. Re: No thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing laudable about it. Delusional? Definitely. Otherwise, yes, you are correct.

  21. They already have ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... Facebook.

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  22. "goal of curing all disease within a generation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is just funny

  23. Huh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where are the animal rights activists? I doubt something like this would ever be accepted willingly by anyone, if it even worked, which I doubt. One thing is for certain though: tech CEOs are officially Josef Mengele, they are not well, and there needs to be some serious monopoly busting in this country.

  24. Implant becoming mandatory by when? by ffkom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess it is only a matter of time by when having yourself equipped with a remote controlled brain-implant becomes a mandatory requirement for use of Facebook... use of the Internet... having a social score above zero... being allowed to do any business... being allowed to lived. And extrapolating from the current development of public opinion, those implants will be hailed as the only one true solution to fight child pornography and terrorism.

    1. Re:Implant becoming mandatory by when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh FFS stop exaggerating. We've got enough bullshit going on in the world right now without some fucktard like you spreading outrageous FUD.

    2. Re:Implant becoming mandatory by when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have the second amendment to prevent this, and things like this.

      Otherwise, people with debilitating epilepsy, Parkinson's or something similar, will be lining up for this thing if it really works as advertised. I seriously doubt they will care about some of the more dystopian prospects painted in the comments, even in the unlikely event they turn out to be real risks to some extend. It is called "having priorities".

    3. Re:Implant becoming mandatory by when? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It already is mandatory. Did you think the monkeys were volunteers, or maybe they signed a waiver?

    4. Re:Implant becoming mandatory by when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have the second amendment to prevent this, and things like this.

      What? What does the right to keep and bear arms have to do with this? Owning a gun is not a panacea for anything you disagree with.

      And the 'obligatory' brain implant may not be mandated by the government. Rather, as the OP suggested, it may be a condition of participating in a new economy or social network. You're not obliged to have an e-mail address, a phone, or a bank account, but good luck having any kind of life in a non-third-world country without them.

      Otherwise, people with debilitating epilepsy, Parkinson's or something similar, will be lining up for this thing if it really works as advertised. I seriously doubt they will care about some of the more dystopian prospects painted in the comments, even in the unlikely event they turn out to be real risks to some extend. It is called "having priorities".

      Amen to this. Like you, I believe the potential benefits are worth the risks. But let's be mindful of the risks, and the fact that you cannot solve them just by shooting at people.

    5. Re:Implant becoming mandatory by when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those implants will be hailed as the only one true solution to fight individualism.

      FTFY.

      The powers that be could careless about terrorism or CP. What makes them care about it is all of the plebs that would make their lives difficult if they didn't. If those powers can force the plebs not to care, they won't have to either.

      Idiots: "But what do we do if they want to be slaves???? Is it ethical / moral to force them not to be slaves????"

      Masters: "Isn't it great how we got the idiots stuck in a never-ending morality / ethics loop? Let's go get a few more of them and turn them into "willing" slaves....*Evil Laugh*"

      That's the end game here. It's not about using you as a puppet. It's about making sure you'll never question or doubt your master.

  25. Well by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg was first in line so that his brain could be tested. Actually, I wish he had one that would short circuit and leave him a goddamed drooling vegetable. God I have that man.

  26. The future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Zukerburg looks upon his machine-dominated subjects with glee, as he advances to the stage to announce the next step in his world-domination scheme.

    pic.twitter.com/ntTaTN3SdR

  27. Wants Facebook to literally read your mind by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    What Zuckerberg really wants is Facebook to have unprecedented access to your deepest most private thoughts and emotions. Just imagine how much more advertisers, nosy corporations, and even nosier governments will pay for THAT. Fuck you, Zuckerberg. Stay the fuck out of people's heads.

  28. US $5 billion? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Chan Zuckerberg Initiative (CZI), with a goal of curing all disease within a generation. A less publicized component of that US$5 billion program includes work on brain-machine interfaces, ...

    Hey! Wait, wait, wait. What are they thinking? We could have part of a wall for that kind of money...

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  29. Re: trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you shouldn't have racked up $100k debt for an obviously worthless liberal arts degree (five minutes on Google would have told you this).

  30. Wait, what? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Facebook developing a brain implant?

    Is it April 1st already??

    PLEASE tell me this is a joke.

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    1. Re: Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My reaction completely. Regulate this shit NOW!!

    2. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The joke is "devices that essentially translate thoughts into commands".

      In reality it is "devices that essentially translate commands into thoughts".

  31. We are the ZuckerBorg by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    You will assimilate yourselves, and pay us for the privilege.

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  32. They have a strict deadline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta get the compulsion chips installed before Facebook goes out of business in 2019.

  33. Thought Zuckerberg already had them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't the alien species he belongs to already have brain implants to control their minions? If not, maybe he can fast track the project and just reverse engineer the ones he has from the Borg.

  34. Re: trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it just typical that the person complaining about the wealthy and privileged is doing so with an iPhone? Such a textbook trait of the virtue signaling hypocrisy we've come to expect from the trust fund kids on the radical left.

  35. Reminds me of "The Final Cut" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone else ever seen that serious role Robin Williams did in a film called The Final Cut? It was a sci-fi about a society that had implants in their brains to record all of their life's moments. When they died, technicians would retrieve the footage from their brains and make compilation films for everyone at their funerals. This had all become a "tradition" enforced on this society by very aggressive marketing campaigns built around emotional blackmail and peer pressure, all controlled by the company that makes the implants and provides the funeral services.

    It was some really creepy shit, and I can imagine Zuckerberg is planning on something reminiscent of that film being the endgame of this technology. It fits right in with how Facebook operates by manufacturing cultural and social dependencies out of their products and services. I highly recommend watching this film, it's one of Williams' lesser known roles but one of my favourite. I would not be surprised if the Zuck has already seen it.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/

  36. Re: trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're all out of touch.

  37. The stimociever again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been done before - in the 1960's. José Manuel Rodriguez Delgado developed an implant, that was controlled by radio. You can search for and find a famous video where he lets a bull attack him - then he presses a button on his transmitter and the bull aborts its attack.

    The device was also tested on humans, (seen as a gentler alternative to lobotomy) so he's still ahead of Zuckerberg's researchers. Largely forgotten and abandoned, as people feared "mind control".

    1. Re: The stimociever again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rightly so. Mind control is the only obvious product of this tech if you draw it out long enough.

  38. people will flok to it by sad_ · · Score: 1

    if they manage to make this work, i imagine a lot of people would buy into it.
    just see tfa posted after this one, people won't even leave facebook for $1000.

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  39. from the creators of Facebook come brain implants. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why. Why would you ever trust this.

    I'm suuuure they've got your best interests at heart..... but this is a terrible idea.

    If this system can interact with your brain it seems more likely that it would be a massive weakness than a strength.

    Right now no one can hack your brain it control your body remotely/trap your mind/see your thoughts.

    Why would you accept a system that makes that even remotely possible.

  40. How is this a cure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought they said they were going to cure disease, not take over a brain with buggy software and hope it works without errors.

  41. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zuckerberg can't be trusted with our data. Why the HELL would anyone trust him with our THOUGHTS?

    That's just crazy talk.