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Almost a Third of New Cars Sold In Norway Last Year Were Pure Electric (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Almost a third of new cars sold in Norway last year were pure electric, a new world record as the country strives to end sales of fossil-fueled vehicles by 2025. In a bid to cut carbon emissions and air pollution, Norway exempts battery-driven cars from most taxes and offers benefits such as free parking and charging points to hasten a shift from diesel and petrol engines. The independent Norwegian Road Federation (NRF) said on Wednesday that electric cars rose to 31.2 percent of all sales last year, from 20.8 percent in 2017 and just 5.5 percent in 2013, while sales of petrol and diesel cars plunged. The sales figures consolidate Norway's global lead in electric car sales per capita, part of an attempt by Western Europe's biggest producer of oil and gas to transform to a greener economy. For comparison, electric cars had a 2.2 percent share in China in 2017 and 1.2 percent in the United States, according to IEA data.
part of an attempt by Western Europe's biggest producer of oil and gas
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That said, the fact that so many people in Norway can go electric shows the cars are pretty much viable anywhere in large numbers.
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"Norway exempts battery-driven cars from most taxes and offers benefits such as free parking and charging points to hasten a shift from diesel and petrol engines" = The exact opposite of the head-in-ass US administration.
The reason is tax-breaks, no tolls, free parking, no import/purchase tax, no road tax, driving in bus lanes. Saving the environment isn't one of those reasons. The fastest selling EV there is the Jaguar iPace. Clearly it is rich people taking advantage of a government program to make their lives easier while commuting.
Its nice that they have so much money from selling oil that they can afford so many shiny new electric cars.
In 2014 95% of all energy produced was hydroelectric. So it's not like every country can just follow Norway's example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Norway
Anywhere that has the geography to supply 95% of the nation's electricity from hydroelectric dams.
as Minnesota.
I do think the US is less workable in some areas for all EV then say a small country like Norway. Considering Norway is about the size of Arizona.
So either they force all landlords/etc in the country to install at least one charging point per apartment/tenant or they have to drop their 100% target.
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Norway generates about 90% of it's electrical power via Hydro.
Irrelevant as people people generally do not think (or care) about where power comes from.
That, and the fact the country could fit into Texas twice
That's a really limited view of how people in Europe live. Sure they country they live in may be tiny, but that just means you can drive to a lot more countries. Don't you think that a lot of people in Norway drive to at least Sweden and Denmark?
Also, Norway is a lot bigger than you think.
you have the perfect place for electric cars.
Certainly not in terms of climate.
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Yep, huge government subsidies is the reason.
All in the name of greenwashing of course.
After all, they are the 3rd largest exporter of natural gas in the world - or perhaps they think that is being used to make magical pixie rainbows?
will do that.
The gov is making people have to consider electric by making other transport more expensive.
Making people change their car buying habits by imposing a new tax rate.
Electric becomes the only way to buy a new car for a large number of working people.
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I'm a fan of getting off oil in the west, so we can get the f out of the middle east.
This article would have been more useful to understand a few key points to gauge how likely 1/3 is in the USA or other western countries.
- what % of household INCOME in Norway was spent on those EVs vs the other 2/3 on ICE cars
-I kinda get the sense that most of their small population lives in the bottom, more temperate part of Norway. So what's the average commute look like in distance?
- some other poster went on about tax breaks, free power, parking, etc. Would welcome a reference to gauge how likely those perqs are in the USA
So either they force all landlords/etc in the country to install at least one charging point per apartment/tenant or they have to drop their 100% target.
I agree that is a huge hurdle, however that is one reason hydrogen fuel cells will make for a sizable component of electric cars. Otherwise I agree, apartment dwellers would have a rough time with electric cars even if they all cycled out of a nearby charging station once a week or so.
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Yeah, but the big issue is that the other 2/3rds are genetically predisposed to constantly reminding you they are superior because they are Norwegian.
A Chevrolet Camaro in Norway is over $156,000! Here's a good breakdown of the car taxes in Norway. https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/2iql6h/how_and_why_cars_are_expensive_in_norway_tax/
The reason there is such a high ratio of electric cars sold is because they tax gasoline cars 100% or more. Anyone who says Norway is a good example of how electric cars are viable in the free market is fooling themselves.
I'm a Tesla owner AND I have PV solar on my roof. But I think it's pretty clear, once you really look at the facts, that all the subsidies aren't too practical.
We're still early enough in the technology curve for EVs so they cost a premium price to purchase, and have more "hidden costs" that are less often talked about. (EG. You probably need to upgrade the electrical power in your garage so you can charge one of these cars without it taking 2 days to charge back up.) If you compromise on the costs, buying a less capable EV, the trade-off is range and quite likely, battery longevity. (Your Nissan Leaf or Smart4Two electric has no cooling system for the battery pack.) That means, you're talking about a customer-base who can afford to buy one either with or without the tax breaks.
Meanwhile, the fact that government DOES offer the breaks or subsidies acts as a negative to some of the folks who haven't purchased one yet. They view it as indicating the technology isn't ready for prime-time yet, if it needs those breaks to make good economic sense.
As per usual, I think government needs to just step aside and stop trying to influence what consumers freely choose to buy with their money. I bought my used Tesla because I thought the performance was unbeatable in the price range (0-60MPH times on these are amazing) and because I liked all the technology in the car. Nobody else gives you an iPad sized LCD display in the dash, from the factory! It also makes your expenses a little more consistent and predictable. The monthly car payment is about 2x what I used to pay, but you know what to expect each month. You don't get dinged here and there, all month long, as you pay for gasoline you use, and oil changes are a thing of the past. It's not likely to go through more than maybe 1 set of brake pads during its whole life, since regen braking means they get used very lightly. There's no complex transmission to wear out or need maintenance either.
We're still early enough in the technology curve for EVs so they cost a premium price to purchase, and have more "hidden costs" that are less often talked about.
Yes, we need you early adopters to pay for figuring that stuff out. Thanks!
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Yes, Norway is one of the most car hating countries in the world, and been punishing it non upper class with ridiculous car prices for ages. For example Golf GTI $33.200 in Sweden and $68.500 in Nowway, that price hike is 110% tax. EV does not have any tax on it so well its' about the same price for a Tesla. Well a 75D is $76.500 but that peanuts more than the Golf for a car that is cheaper to run and own and is faster, easy choice.. It's harder when a pizza is $25 in Norway and $8 in Sweden, yea and Sweden has one of the highest taxes but well Norway is even worse, and for what? To punish the middle and working classes?
"Almost a Third of New Cars Sold In Norway Last Year Were Pure Electric"
No metal or plastic or...
Wow! I want that.
no, saving the environment isn't the reason. Buying votes is the reason, and buying votes is pretty easy on the petro-economy. Nothing is green about this except the paint used for greenwashing.
Here is a thought experiment.
Imagine the ghettos. Ancient housing, high density living. What have electric cars to offer these people? Most of these people struggle to pay their monthly electric bill, especially in wintertime. If they are lucky, they own an oldere conventional vehoicle. Electric cars are a "solution" for well paid white liberals, they offer nothing but more downward presssure on the poor, both rural and urban. Rich liberals can afford to replace a $5000 battery every few years. Our ghetto people
are lucky to af ford $1000 for a 15 year old Toyota. Electric cars can never be "hand-me-downs" to the poor. Convential cars can be repaired by backyard mechanics. Not so with electric vehicles where the price of repair parts are beyond the reach of the low middle class and working poor.
Mandating electric cars is like mandating everyone buy an iPhone XS Max.
I'm your god damn source. There you go.
Electric cars can never be "hand-me-downs" to the poor.
Why on earth not? You don't need to replace a well conditioned battery every few years; researchers estimated the useful life of a Tesla battery at 500k miles at least, and numbers from the field are starting to back up those claims. There's this TV show here they MOT old cars, and they had a Tesla in with 300k km on it, and it had lost a little less than 10% of its battery capacity. By the way, at 300k it was still using the original brake discs, and was only on its second set of brake pads. Some parts of the car are harder to repair but they need those repairs far less often, and a lot of the other stuff is still fairly conventional.
Apparently a lot of the cheaper EVs don't condition their batteries very well. But those car makers are learning their lesson and are making changes. We're still learning how to apply this tech in a durable and economical way, and in a decade or so we will have cheaper EVs hitting the second hand market, with batteries that are still going strong.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Keeping old cars on the road is green and planet friendly.
Cars cost LOT of energy and greenhouse gas to produce - the steel, the glass, everything. An electric car would probably need 12 years of above average mileage of use just to break even.
Any subsidy should go to people keeping 18 year plus vehicles on the road, or taking off diesels showing smokeper year in an EV are enviromental vandals.
You should have sourced your figures properly as POOMA.
12 years. Pah.
You can get the car nice and toasty to a schedule or remote.
Also if extreme cold don't need to keep the ICE ticking overnight.
The first generation of EVs like the Nissan Leaf are now reaching the second hard market in reasonable numbers (in the UK). This is because they are coming off lease from the original owners. A second hard one is still expensive, but over time they will trickle down as they depreciate. I know a few people with new and second-hand Leafs, and they all love them. With ICE manufacture on the road to being phased out, the transition is going to happen in our lifetime.
In countries with cold winters, most fossil fuel-powered cars have stationary heaters.
For example a student who goes home on weekends and at every semester break probably can't get by with an EV if they go to school >300 miles from home. Someone who spends a good deal of their leisure time hiking far from the city probably can't get by with a EV. Someone who spends their weekends visiting other towns, cities and the countryside can't get by with an EV.
What decade d you live in? A Tesla model D can go 335 miles on a charge, and the long range Model 3 can go 310 miles. There also also superchargers in most large cities now making almost any trip practical. I go hiking a lot and >300 miles of range is plenty to reach anywhere you are day hiking, even over a weekend....
I've been looking at it for a while and the ONLY place I'm not sure I could get around one very well is Utah. But even there you could make it just fine if you were on the highway, then dipped down into the southern end and relied on electric power from hotels for the night.
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Norway generates about 90% of it's electrical power via Hydro.
Yup. So do a couple of other countries (e.g.: Switzerland) and in the grand scheme of things, with a few key exceptions (of the top of my head: India, China and Australia - you can google to find actual studies on the subject) most countries have power generation mixes that make EV slightly less polluting than ICE over their lifetime.
(Yup, even countries like the US that burn coal : turns out that big central optimized power plants are more efficient than an engine miniaturized enough to fit in a car)
That, and the fact the country could fit into Texas twice, you have the perfect place for electric cars.
Now, how does *that* has anything to do with EVs ?
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