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In CEO Search, Intel Still Hasn't Found What It's Looking For (bloomberg.com)

Intel has been trying to fill the most prominent role in the $400-billion chip industry for more than six months. The company's board still hasn't found what it's looking for. From a report: Intel directors have ruled out some candidates for the vacant chief executive officer post, passed up obvious ones, been rejected by some and decided to go back and re-interview others, extending the search, according to people familiar with the process. Chairman Andy Bryant told some employees recently that the chipmaker may go with a "non-traditional" candidate, suggesting a CEO from outside the company is a possibility.

Whoever is chosen will take the reins at a company that's churning out record results, but is facing rising competition. The new CEO will have to convince investors that Intel's loss of manufacturing leadership -- a cornerstone of its dominance -- won't cost it market share in the lucrative semiconductor market. He or she will also have to deliver on the company's promise to maintain growth by winning orders beyond personal computer and server chips. "The new CEO will have many difficult decisions to make in a short amount of time," said Kevin Cassidy, an analyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Co. "The company can perform well in the near term due to good demand for PC and servers, but longer-term decisions and strategy need a CEO soon."

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  1. They didn't ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad for them, eh.

    1. Re: They didn't ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their best candidate is going to prison

    2. Re: They didn't ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First job of the new CEO... Ring up Microsoft and demand they write a not shit version of Windows 10.

    3. Re: They didn't ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother when Linux is running circles around Windows 10 and Intel has far more serious problems of it's own?

      IMHO, job #1 is dropping the Intel Management Engine security backdoor and fixing the Meltdown/Spectre hardware security bugs. These problems create a deep dark cloud hanging over Intel's core products and raises serious doubts about their competency. If they can't fix those problems, they could lose their PC and server market in a heartbeat.

    4. Re: They didn't ask me by unixisc · · Score: 1

      To whom, exactly? Which other company is there that has either a living processor (not including ARM, which is too fragmented) or the type of manufacturing capacity that Intel has?

    5. Re: They didn't ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're asking the wrong questions. It doesn't matter to whom, what matters is that Intel as a platform is not secure. And manufacturing capacity means nothing when all you currently churn out is the same old garbage. Nobody serious about security is going to upgrade their machines to another Intel processor until they fix these problems. Once they do, there will be an avalanche of upgrades which will help pay down Intel's manufacturing foibles with 10nm. If they still can't past 10nm, maybe they ought to start outsourcing their design to TSMC's successful 10nm fab like everybody else is doing so they don't get left behind in the performance race.

  2. Look no further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure my CV must be the next one on the list

  3. Good luck with that by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    Intel is going to have a few rocky years ahead of them. They rested on their laurels and didn't take the competition seriously. They also threw a lot of money at useless projects and tried to shoehorn x86 into every possible market rather than trying to build the best product for that market.

    They need a CEO that will put an end to the idiocy and refocus Intel, but no one wants to be the one that has to go out back and shoot Old Yeller. Hopefully they do find someone, because as much fun as it is to see Intel eat some humble pie, if they don't get their shit together AMD will eventually turn out the same and we'll just be back to a stagnant computer market.

    1. Re:Good luck with that by fat+man's+underwear · · Score: 1

      "They also threw a lot of money at useless projects"

      Ah, they're Commodored themselves? What is Intel's Plus 4 or 128?

    2. Re:Good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we'll just be back to a stagnant computer market.

      The design emphasis is the only possible way out for Intel when the processes are getting more expensive. At least until something better than CMOS emerges. The recent security mishaps and the story behind them, that is the security shortcuts, is an indication of Electronic Arts style gravy train wreck, in my opinion.

    3. Re:Good luck with that by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      It was Intel 3D

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    4. Re:Good luck with that by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Intel is going to have a few rocky years ahead of them. They rested on their laurels and didn't take the competition seriously. They also threw a lot of money at useless projects and tried to shoehorn x86 into every possible market rather than trying to build the best product for that market.

      Except that every other processor they had went nowhere. The i860, the i960, the Itanic, the StrongArm... And even though they got rights to the PA-RISC and the DEC Alpha, they went nowhere w/ those.

      Instead of trying to demonstrate the shortcomings of RISC, which they did when they started the Itanic project, had they taken, say, a RISC CPU that they had some rights to, such as PA-RISC, and built embedded versions of those, they would have done better.

      They need a CEO that will put an end to the idiocy and refocus Intel, but no one wants to be the one that has to go out back and shoot Old Yeller. Hopefully they do find someone, because as much fun as it is to see Intel eat some humble pie, if they don't get their shit together AMD will eventually turn out the same and we'll just be back to a stagnant computer market.

      But what should they refocus on? Intel is Intel due to the x86 processor: take that away, and there's almost no reason to buy Intel. Vendors who use ARM already have a variety of choices, and would have no reason to go for a more expensive Intel alternative.

    5. Re:Good luck with that by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      They should have offered it to Aicha Evans before they lost her. Then they would have at least been walking the talk of diversity.

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    6. Re:Good luck with that by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Atom?

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    7. Re: Good luck with that by reanjr · · Score: 1

      AMD is AMD because of the AMD64 processor. Take that away, and AMD is nothing. What's your point?

    8. Re: Good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMD is AMD because of the AMD64 processor. Take that away, and AMD is nothing. What's your point?

      AMD has consistently out innovated Intel to every key technology, Intel claimed it was impossible to extend x86 to 64-bit, AMD did it, Intel claimed that multi-core chips where impossible due to heat and power restrictions, AMD did it, Intel said the same about moving the memory controller to the CPU, again, AMD did it. Without x86 AMD would move into another base architecture and do the same there.

    9. Re: Good luck with that by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Well, AMD64 is a backwards compatible extension of the x86 instruction set. AMD pulled a coup on Intel w/ that one, while Intel was contemplating on how to switch the world from CISC/RISC to its EPIC architecture

      My point is that every non-x86 platform that Intel either created itself (i860/i960), acquired (StrongArm/xSCALE) or collaborated on (Itanic) was a fiasco. Unlike in the 70s, one instruction set has clearly won the instruction set war, and that's x86. It's irrelevant as to whether they are a better instruction set than ARM or MIPS or SPARC or Power. Intel would gain squat by switching to anything else, but potentially lose everything, primarily the manufacturing scale that has enabled them to build multiple $10B fabs w/o government subsidies (unlike TSMC)

    10. Re: Good luck with that by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Intel never claimed that it was impossible to extend x86. They, at the time, were more interested in getting Itanium out and along w/ HP, pulling off a coup over both AMD and the various RISC CPUs. On the latter, they succeeded, since Compaq was more than happy to euthanize Alpha, HP was retiring PA-RISC anyway, Oracle's interest in SPARC dissipated to the point that all they'd do was buy Fujitsu designs and SGI too planned a MIPS to Itanium migration. But on the AMD front, once AMD came up w/ AMD64, Intel's desires of mass producing Itanium the way it did Pentium just withered on the vine

      On multi-core, Intel was always far more capable of economically doing it than AMD, who were something like 2 generations behind on the process, when they had it.

  4. Bono is the obvious answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  5. Hire me!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll run it into the ground, get my golden parachute, and retire at some tropical island.

  6. If you think manufacturing is the cornerstone by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> Intel's loss of manufacturing leadership -- a cornerstone of its dominance

    If you think manufacturing is the cornerstone of Intel's dominance, then you haven't been paying attention. MARKETING the "Intel" brand (slapped onto almost every PC for a while) and the "duh duh duh dun" sound is the cornerstone of Intel's dominance. Once the masses realize(d) that you could get the same or similar chips from other places, cheaper, and without giving up much (if any) performance, Intel was in trouble.

    1. Re:If you think manufacturing is the cornerstone by GregMmm · · Score: 1

      and the "duh duh duh dun" sound

      That would be bong, as in the Bong Song. Really, it's called the bong song. Coming from an ex Intel employee.

    2. Re:If you think manufacturing is the cornerstone by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The issue is more the fact that we are no longer dependent on the Wintell PC market like we were 10 years ago.

      Think back 10 years ago. the iPhone was still mostly a gimmick then a suitable computing replacement. Microsoft while suffering for the mistake of Vista still had dominance, to a point no one would seriously think (Outside the Linux and Apple Zealots) that an other Operating System can be used for the normal home desktop. Intel had the Windows PC Market, recently got into the Apple market (which was rapidly growing to the iPod halo effect) and had been strong in the Linux market. AMD was behind the new Multi-Core CPU's and other competitors such as the Sun Ultra Sparc, IBM Power PC... Were not doing well.

      The thing that Intel really didn't expect was the Mobile platform growth, with iOS and Android devices. Where having the fastest CPU wans't as big of a deal then better battery life, and small form factor. Where the smaller CPU makers had their niche and caused growth in there. They were not faster then Intel, but fast enough to run well on such a small device.

      Now growth in this market didn't kill demand for PC's but what it did was software makers, started making their software and their updates suited for the lower end systems. So that laptop that you upgraded every 4-5 years became 6-10 years, because software makers need to be sure their software runs on these slower chips as well, the need for the newest and fastest wasn't as important, and many new features were expanded with the purchase of these new mobile devices.

      Intel is like your Local High School football star. At the time, he was one of the most important person in the community, getting all the attention. Only for him after the next decade and college, having a respectful but uninspired role in the minor leagues. Where those quite guys that were ignored by the community became the Doctors and Lawyers who brought in the real money.
         

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    3. Re:If you think manufacturing is the cornerstone by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No other company has the fabs or the capacity that Intel has - all developed w/ just its own cash. In sharp contrast to, say, TSMC, which is heavily subsidized by the Taiwan government. Intel won the CPU wars due to the fact that it was several generations ahead of the competition in terms of manufacturing, had the volumes to drive margins and could therefore drop a dual-core CPU for the same price or less of a comparable RISC CPU

  7. Non-traditional? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

    Hiring another CEO to be your CEO sounds as traditional as it gets, unless you mean the OLD traditions, like pre-war era. Something like calling your Christmas Tree non-traditional because it has electric lights on it.

    1. Re:Non-traditional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hiring another CEO to be your CEO sounds as traditional as it gets, unless you mean the OLD traditions, like pre-war era. Something like calling your Christmas Tree non-traditional because it has electric lights on it.

      I think they mean someone from outside the chip industry.

    2. Re:Non-traditional? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Intel has never hired a CEO from outside the company, so for Intel it is non-traditional.

  8. They'll do what companies always do by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 2

    They'll hire someone who is already a CEO, regardless of how badly they've screwed up their previous companies.

    1. Re:They'll do what companies always do by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      They'll hire someone who is already a CEO, regardless of how badly they've screwed up their previous companies.

      That's not necessarily bad. The important thing is that one learn from mistakes. It's difficult to get good without making and learning from mistakes. The risk is that some don't learn from mistakes due to bullheaded obsessions. But all the obvious good CEO's are taken already such that they'll have to take some risk no matter what.

    2. Re:They'll do what companies always do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is they have no incentive to learn. They'll just find another sucker company to sink and golden-parachute out of there before everything goes tits up.

    3. Re:They'll do what companies always do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The important thing is that one learn from mistakes. It's difficult to get good without making and learning from mistakes.

      If only we little people were given the same treatment.

      But all the obvious good CEO's are taken already such that they'll have to take some risk no matter what

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      There are no good CEOs. It a bullshit position that gives over paid cushy jobs to those in the good-ole boys network. And if things go well, they take credit for the good job the people below them did.

      Any one of us here could do the job but we couldn't get it because we don't know the right people.

    4. Re:They'll do what companies always do by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Any one of us here could do the job but we couldn't get it because we don't know the right people.

      One would be managing people, not just technology. I must admit: I suck at managing people.

    5. Re: They'll do what companies always do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd cry like a little bitch if you were the CEO of a non-entity pushing a measly 100m of revenue, let alone Intel.

    6. Re: They'll do what companies always do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe at the long hours but you have an assistant to deal with the most mundane shit and the rest is just pretending to know what you're talking about.

  9. Have they tried an IT janitor ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll have the cleanest storage closets of any corporation, and by the looks of it, the emptiest refrigerators as well!

  10. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Chicoms will buy a first rate CPU design from Fujistsu and sell it at 1/10th of cost ($50) and steamroll the competition.

    1. Re: Nope by LaszloKerekes · · Score: 0

      Ur brain get fried and you still still stuck in the 80s? Amd already sold em epyc designs u clueless fuck

  11. Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It cannot be that they had products about as performant as IBM or HP, but sold it at 1/10th of price. Including the mainframe stuff, which is even more expensive.

  12. i know someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    trump is going to be out of a job soon. As long as Intel doesn't mind him working remotely from his prison cell.

    1. Re: i know someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump doesnt have biweekly meetings or biannual reports or bisexual tendencies

    2. Re: i know someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha trump would not be able to give the speeches. You know his ego. He would end up being a something something and they would call someone else the CEO

    3. Re:i know someone by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "We make the best chips, believe me! They are much better than Jiiihna's chips, better than Mexican chips; I love Mexican chips, by the way. Add guacamole and Ralph's Grade-A salsa, best stuff ever. We at Intel are going buy the Ralph brand. 'Chips-n-salsa' will be our new motto. Some losers say we shouldn't branch out to food, but if they were so great, they'd be CEO instead of Donald J. Trump. We'll Make Chips Tasty Again!"

    4. Re: i know someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of trump, it is not clear to this day just how much he lost the popular vote by :)

  13. obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They simply haven't offered Lisa Su enough money yet.

    1. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its funny because its true. AMD had a long term vision enough to eventually surpass Intel. LS, as AMD's CEO will eventually surpass Intel if it doesn't have vision. Of course, with LS, Intel could just copy the AMD vision and execute it better.

      Meanwhile, LS can just name her price - she has full knowledge that she will crush whoever Intel selects.

  14. Celeron? Sell her on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intel inside? Idiot outside. 7 nanometers? I only got 10 nanometers, what do you want 14 nanometers for?

    1. Re: Celeron? Sell her on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a better link? I got an error

  15. Intel didn't dominate because of marketing by sjbe · · Score: 2

    If you think manufacturing is the cornerstone of Intel's dominance, then you haven't been paying attention.

    Manufacturing absolutely has been the cornerstone of Intel's dominance for a long time. The main reason AMD could not compete with Intel on CPUs was because Intel had an absolute cost advantage because of their manufacturing. The only reason Intel didn't put AMD out of business a long time ago was because of anti-trust concerns. For a long time they could sell their x86 CPUs for less money than AMD's cost while still making a profit. Intel didn't get to be the biggest chip maker in the world by accident or clever ads.

    MARKETING the "Intel" brand (slapped onto almost every PC for a while) and the "duh duh duh dun" sound is the cornerstone of Intel's dominance.

    Sigh... You are hugely overestimating the power of marketing. This is utter nonsense. Intel's primary customers are definitively NOT end users. Apple, HP, Acer, Asus, Samsung, etc are the ones buying the majority of their CPUs and they aren't going to be impressed by their TV ads. What you are talking about is the branded ingredient strategy Intel rolled out years ago.

    Once the masses realize(d) that you could get the same or similar chips from other places, cheaper, and without giving up much (if any) performance, Intel was in trouble.

    The masses aren't the ones buying Intel's products and it's only been fairly recently that competitors could compete with Intel on cost when it comes to chip manufacturing. The problem Intel has right now is that other chip makers have caught up on cost and chip tech and their cash cow (the PC market) has been surpassed by the mobile market where they don't have very good product offerings. Intel is still hugely profitable but their growth prospects are constrained by their absence and problems in mobile. Has NOTHING to do with marketing and everything to do with product design and manufacturing prowess of competitors. Intel's biggest threat is not AMD in the PC space. Intel's biggest threats are ARM, Qualcom, and Taiwanese chip fabs. The mobile market is where the growth is and Intel doesn't dominate there.

    1. Re:Intel didn't dominate because of marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely disagree with you, and your post proves the point.

      I use my parents, super non-techy, as a gauge for a tech company's success, because they are much more representative of the mass market than the much more educated tech-enthusiasts or sys-admins buying servers. 10 years ago my parents wouldn't buy a computer at all unless it had Intel Inside on it, because they trusted Intel made the best chips. Today they are entirely open to a computer that doesn't have Intel Inside on the box. They don't care Dell vs. Lenovo vs. Asus, but they want the thing to work and they believe technology is shaky if not done right. If it had Intel Inside on it, they believed it would work for them. Now they do not.

      That is a success at marketing 10 years ago, and a failure at marketing today, and directly relates to buying decisions and how Intel makes money.

    2. Re:Intel didn't dominate because of marketing by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      Right now their biggest advantage is inertia. Having the best product isn't instantly turning into wins across the board for AMD in the enterprise space. The same is true for AMD vs the likes of ARM. The ARM chips have huge power savings but no matter what their clockspeeds they just don't come close to outperforming intel or AMD chips. AMD chips on the other hand wipe ARM and crush Intel in multiprocessing which is what it is all about in the enterprise space.

      It isn't marketing that is keeping them there. Not everyone is upgrading right this moment and aside from that intel has been dominant for such a long stretch there is skepticism and hesitation to switch. People have been tempted by the opterons at some point in the past who are in architect roles and they've been burned. Now AMD really is the answer and it it remains so long enough to be proven out by people they know those people will move as well.

    3. Re:Intel didn't dominate because of marketing by sjbe · · Score: 3, Informative

      I completely disagree with you, and your post proves the point.

      Disagree all you want but that doesn't make me wrong. Personal anecdotes about your family are not persuasive. I've done the research on this. Intel for a long time had a huge cost advantage in their manufacturing. You don't have to take my word for it. The data is out there for you to look up - I didn't just pull this out of my ass. Harvard has done case studies about this for business schools.

      10 years ago my parents wouldn't buy a computer at all unless it had Intel Inside on it, because they trusted Intel made the best chips.

      So what? It wasn't like they had any alternatives in the PC space 10 years ago. AMD wasn't exactly hitting it out of the park and there was no option #3 in the PC space. Saying you wanted an Intel CPU in your PC was like saying you wanted a Microsoft operating system. There wasn't much else for most people to really chose from. Furthermore your parents almost certainly DID buy a computer without Intel Inside because I'm betting they owned a mobile phone which is just another type of computer. If Intel's CPU offerings had been worse than AMDs consistently or if AMD had a cost advantage then Intel would have lose market share and no amount of clever marketing would have convinced Apple or HP or the rest to stick with them.

      The Intel Inside ad campaign made some marginal differences for Intel but it was not EVER the basis of their market dominance. Intel started that ad campaign in the early 1990s. I remember when it started. They were already the dominant player in CPUs long before the ad campaign started. Seriously, you don't have to take my word for it. Go back and pull their old financial statements and look at market analysis of the day. Intel dominated the PC CPU market because of their cost advantages in manufacturing. Without that Intel would have lost a long time ago.

    4. Re:Intel didn't dominate because of marketing by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      And to strengthen your point, Intel's turn to marketing is part of what got them into this situation. They started to believe that they could hold market dominance through marketing rather than through superior products. This strategy worked as long as they actually had superior products. As soon as they stopped having distinctly superior products, it all fell apart.

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  16. What have they done? by houghi · · Score: 2

    Have they climbed the highest mountains?
    Have they run through the fields?
    Have they scaled these city walls? (These city walls!)

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    1. Re:What have they done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can they dig a tunnel under Trump's wall?

  17. Nobody willl notice the difference from a PHB.

  18. Et tu, Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    U 2?

  19. Price versus performance by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Right now their biggest advantage is inertia. Having the best product isn't instantly turning into wins across the board for AMD in the enterprise space.

    That's because AMD doesn't have a cost advantage in manufacturing CPUs for PCs. AMD is reliant on other companies to actually make their chips. They have to pay these companies for the chips and importantly a profit margin. Intel has several advantages. 1) They don't have to pay the profit margin to a third party. All other things being equal this gives Intel a 10-20% cost advantage right out the gate. 2) Intel also has technology advantages and manufacturing scale advantages that increase this cost advantage in that segment.

    Remember Intel is literally over 10X the size of AMD by revenue. It didn't get that much bigger by accident and certainly not merely through a clever ad campaign. AMD bought ATI to diversify away from competing with Intel on CPUs because it was a game they could never win in the long run. Intel just had unbeatable cost and scale advantages and AMD knows it. They occasionally would poke ahead on performance for a brief bit but they don't have the resources to sustain that advantages. Their current generation chips are good performers but I wouldn't hold my breath thinking they can maintain that advantage because they never have for the last 30 years.

    AMD chips on the other hand wipe ARM and crush Intel in multiprocessing which is what it is all about in the enterprise space.

    Enterprise computing is FAR more complicated than who has the best multi-core performance on the latest gen chips. What matters in the enterprise space is cost for performance. Sometimes individual chip performance matters most but when a company like Google is buying computers by the truck load, what they are looking for is the best price that meets their performance needs. That doesn't necessarily require the best performing chip. And in spite of recent problems, Intel remains hard to beat for price/performance for PC CPUs. But unless they get their shit together they won't be able to keep their market share because the enterprise market is ALL about cost at the end of the day and the market dynamics have changed in recent years.

    1. Re:Price versus performance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "That's because AMD doesn't have a cost advantage in manufacturing CPUs for PCs. AMD is reliant on other companies to actually make their chips. They have to pay these companies for the chips and importantly a profit margin."

      AMD has the higher performing chips and they are selling them for a lower price. I'm sure they could have a better margin but the fab they are buying from is actually their own which they sold.

      "Enterprise computing is FAR more complicated than who has the best multi-core performance on the latest gen chips. What matters in the enterprise space is cost for performance."

      I work in the enterprise space. That is one factor but also performance density. In practice it usually comes down to napkin math when going to order, you are counting physical cores and cycles weighed against watts and space. ARM will seem to win here in many cases. But sooner or later that low performance is going to shine through, when your vm's that needed 4 cores now need 8 or more to get the same performance if at all that begins to get noticed. Granted it'll be tough because you'll be charging per core/cycle or based a system "profile" which scales up to more cores, so the bean counters will love it and manager heavy shops will embrace that the actual tech staff will recognize this is a recipe for failure in the long run since you'll have a reputation for low performance.

      "And in spite of recent problems, Intel remains hard to beat for price/performance for PC CPUs."

      You are so far off base here it is hard to even have a discussion. Intel hasn't offered the best price to performance ratio in decades. Having a superior price to performance ratio vs Intel is what has kept AMD from dying altogether. Intel is the Apple or Sony of the chip space, the last thing they do is offer good value. When intel stopped playing the mhz war is when they got dangerous, their performance density vs energy requirements left AMD in the dust but never their value (at least not for more than 3-6mo window).

      What they have done is offer the best performance density and best performance per watt. ARM chips haven't even seriously been in this game, it's actually a fairly recent development that they've had 64bit chips with virtualization features and support. The problem that shops trying ARM are encountering is that the chips don't even begin to approach performance expectations. AMD on the other hand STILL offers the best value AND now has efficiency and density that is on par or exceeds Intel. Unlike ARM chips they will dominate your in enterprise workloads. The only thing Intel has is a marginal edge on single thread performance which is useless outside of desktop gaming and not exactly a feature you are overly concerned about looking toward the future.

    2. Re:Price versus performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given how badly the OEMs go out of their way to kneecap AMD systems, like soldering in the slowest possible ram in oddball amounts to lock you into single channel mode on an APU, way under sizing the cooling to force it to thermal throttle under common moderate loads at common ambient temps, equipping them with the slowest drives, the worst screens, bad keyboard layouts, having the top spec machines only available in tiny markets(look at the Acer Nitro 5, all of the announcement docs and review models where equipped with the 2700u, the only market where it is available is Malaysia, all other markets only get the 2500u) screams that Intel is still paying off OEMs to cripple AMDs market penetration.

    3. Re:Price versus performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given how badly the OEMs in the consumer market go out of their way to kneecap AMD systems, like soldering in the slowest possible ram in oddball amounts to lock you into single channel mode on an APU, way under sizing the cooling to force it to thermal throttle under common moderate loads at common ambient temps, equipping them with the slowest drives, the worst screens, bad keyboard layouts, having the top spec machines only available in tiny markets(look at the Acer Nitro 5, all of the announcement docs and review models where equipped with the 2700u, the only market where it is available is Malaysia, all other markets only get the 2500u) screams that Intel is still paying off OEMs to cripple AMDs market penetration.

  20. I See The Problem by careysub · · Score: 1

    The new CEO will have to convince investors that Intel's loss of manufacturing leadership -- a cornerstone of its dominance -- won't cost it market share in the lucrative semiconductor market. He or she will also have to deliver on the company's promise to maintain growth by winning orders beyond personal computer and server chips.

    The list of demands and assurances for the new CEO are too long. They just need someone who can walk on water.

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    1. Re:I See The Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've asked for someone who can delude investors. That's what a lot of boards really want.

    2. Re:I See The Problem by PingSpike · · Score: 1

      I heard Brian Krzanich is available, he's a proven property in that department.

  21. I counter with Jim Keller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There is one better choice ... Jim Keller. He led the design of Athlon's x86-64 which took the lead from Intel the first time. He was VP over the design of Apple's A4 and A5. He designed AMD's Zen architecture. And he's now working for Intel.

    1. Re: I counter with Jim Keller by reanjr · · Score: 1

      That's like saying Woz was a fitting replacement for Jobs.

  22. I'm available... by johnwfran · · Score: 2

    I guarantee I could fuck them into irrelevance in 6 months for the right golden parachute. Although I do understand Marisa Mayer is on the market too if they need to pander to the diversity crowd.

    1. Re:I'm available... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Right, Marissa could Yahoo them.

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    2. Re:I'm available... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They spent $300million on diversity fund. Hope they can rope in Anita Sarkeesian who will handle Intel like a champ.

  23. Slow moving industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The semiconductor industry is a slow moving market, surely intel can use the same node for a couple years without investing in their main architecture without falling behind

  24. Intel is dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Intel's success is down to one factor, and one factor alone- the fact that IBM chose the WORST of all the 16-bit processor designs at the time for their first IBM PC, simple down to Intel's desperate need to sell at any cost. In comparison, Motorola's 68000 was at least FIVE years more advanced than the 8088/8086.

    After Intel started making mountains of cash, thanks to its monopoly in the merging PC-compatible market, it sank much of this money into two key areas:

    1) R+D focused entirely on improving the x64 design and fabrication
    2) a slush fund to pay off court fines when Intel's mass STEALING of the patents of other companies finally resolved against them. 100% of Intel's first RISC design, the Pentium Pro/Pentium 2 (NOT the Pentium(1), which was a standalone orphan architecture perfecting CISC) involved stolen patents from the various RISC innovators.

    Intel's strategy was to hurtle ahead as quickly as possible to keep potential x86 competitors wrong-footed. Even so the only viable competitor, AMD, was ahead of Intel on at least 3 key occasions. And this is a key part of understanding just how bad Inel is. For Intel's R+D spend was always HUNDREDS of times greater than AMD, for a lead that was often tiny, and often no lead at all.

    After AMD hit a supreme lead with the first 64-bit x64 design, and the first TRUE dual core, Intel was on the verge of ruination- but hyper corrupt top managers at AMD started stealing the working capital of AMD via mega-bonuses, and forced AMD to persue a 'Netburst' type design for the 'Bulldozer' successor to the Athlon 64 design. Bulldozer, based on Intel's Netburst patents, was intended to cheapen design work at AMD to maximise financial pay-outs to the top managers. But anyway, it meant the massive tech lead AMD had had over Intel was squandered.

    Meanwhile Intel used the Athlon 64 patents and crossed them with the Pentium 3 architecture to create 'Core 2', the hyper-successful follow-up to the disaster that had been Netburst. Both AMD and Intel did this LEGALLY cos of their cross-patent agreements.

    Eventually AMD's rotten corrupt management was replaced and AMD got back on track. And that marked the end of Intel. After 'core 2' came the even more successful 'core' architecture (who came up with these codenames?). But Intel has ridden the same 'core' design for EIGHT+ generations now, and AMD's Zen architecture has killed it stone dead.

    Intel's strategy of unprecedented R+D spend to one up everyone crashed and burned with Intel's FinFET project. Intel has failed to shrink to 10nm (for good chips) even tho they initially had a process lead of approaching FIVE years. Intel's 100-to-1 R+D cash advantage no longer delivers.

    The last saviour of Intel had been the American government FORCING AMD to use Global Foundries, the US alliance operation that combined all American non-Intel state-of-the-art chip fabrication. GF is a STRATEGIC US government operation (hence it does not matter how much GF loses), but with GF like Intel totally failing with the current process shrink, AMD has been allowed to move its leading edge production to Taiwan's TSMC, and the lead TSMC has over Intel and GF is extraordinary.

    A few days ago, AMD demonstrated a MID-RANGE Zen2 CPU thrashing the latest state-of-the-art Intel 9900K (drew equal in performance at half the power).

    And, of course, all current Intel CPUs have been revealed to contain ZERO thread security- meaning that a rogue NSA thread can access any data used by other threads BY DESIGN. This lack of thread security gave Intel massive dishonest advantages in memory latency, power and max clock frequency. Zen has total thread security built into the hardware.

    Now lets look at Intel's biggest non-x86 project, the graphics chip know as Larabee. This project matters for when it began, every tech site promised readers that Intel would destroy Nvidia and ATI (now AMD)- the (then) graphics leaders. Intel spent more on Larabee than the combined R+D spend of both Nvidia and ATI across their enti

  25. proof ceos are not needed by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    They are doing fine without a CEO, so not like
    a CEO does anything useful in giant corps.

    Why not just have no CEO, and have all decisions voted by the board.

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  26. I posted this comment 12 1/2 years ago: by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Quoting the parent comment: "They need a CEO that will put an end to the idiocy and refocus Intel..."

    I posted this comment 12 1/2 years ago: "It's very, very sad to see Intel on the way down." (2nd paragraph)

    Quote: "Self-destructive behavior at Intel did not start with Otellini. Long ago, Intel closed its consumer division because it could not manage it effectively."

    Another quote: "Intel's marketing ... has become Zombie-like in that it has been minimally connected with reality."

    Intel's marketing is that way NOW. I get weird emails written by people who don't seem to have any understanding of technology. The emails are written as though the reader is a child and the writer is an imcompentent parent.

  27. How to fix a CPU company by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Get security correct on the next CPU products.
    Have the skilled people who can do security review the CPU before production and sale.

    Understand what people want to do with 4K and 8K games and content.
    Have a CPU that can support games with the needed speed and be used for content creation and encoding.
    Speed and cores.
    Get every part of the CPU to keep up with the CPU speed needed for the new games in production.
    Make every part of the CPU ready for new games and tell CPU and game reviewers that.
    A new fast CPU sold should make all games play great.
    Have clear marketing and a way to sell each design of CPU.
    Paying more and seeing a bigger "number" on a consumer CPU should be easy to understand by consumers and reviewers.
    Want a different CPU line for content creation, servers, games and low end computing?
    2 Options exist:
    1. Make more product lines that are very different and very easy to understand.
    2. Have one product line thats easy to follow.
    Dont mix different slow and low cost product lines in together with difficult to understand product names.

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    1. Re:How to fix a CPU company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Understand what people want to do with 4K and 8K games and content.

      Get every part of the CPU to keep up with the CPU speed needed for the new games in production.

      Make every part of the CPU ready for new games and tell CPU and game reviewers that.

      A new fast CPU sold should make all games play great.

      Want a different CPU line for content creation, servers, games and low end computing?

      For the last 6 years at least you have almost never CPU bound in gaming, anybody crying about a 0.01~3% difference for an extra $500 spent on the CPU is an idiot with too much money and not enough brains

    2. Re:How to fix a CPU company by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC content now needs a fast CPU that can do support more cores.
      Not just a fast CPU and a few cores.
      Thats the marketing change that can set one CPU brand apart from the competition.
      Lots of new fast cores that can keep up with 4K, 5K and 8K computing.

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  28. At what point? by reanjr · · Score: 1

    Why Robert Swan (interim CEO) doesn't want the job is probably the more interesting story.

  29. If Intel does have difficulties finding a new CEO, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intel is going to have a few rocky years ahead of them

    Why don't they create a dual-CEO positions and give 'em to Donald J. Trump and Xi Jin Ping?

    I'm sure, until the tutelage of both Donald J. Trump and Xi Jin Ping, Intel gonna enjoy a spectacular "Make Intel Great Again" revival and the "Intel Dream session.