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DerbyCon Will Hold Its Last InfoSec Conference in September This Year (derbycon.com)
DerbyCon 9.0, the upcoming edition of the popular InfoSec conference in September, will be its last. From an official announcement: When we first started DerbyCon, our goal was to create a conference where we could all come together to collaborate and share as a community, but most importantly as a profession. DerbyCon 1.0 was a huge gamble for us both personally and financially, but we believed in what we were doing, and it worked. For those that don't know the history of DerbyCon, it started off inside of a pizza shop as an idea between a few friends. Our goal was to create an affordable conference that shared a lot of what we had experienced in our early days in security. The ideas of collaboration, community, and the betterment of the industry and the safety of technology were at the forefront. At the end of DerbyCon 1.0, we realized that the conference was a huge success and our dream became a reality.
[...] What we have had to deal with on the back-end the past few years is more than just running a conference and sharing with friends. The conference scene in general changed drastically and small pocket groups focus on outrage and disruption where there is no right answer (regardless of how you respond, it's wrong), instead of coming together, or making the industry better. There is a small, yet vocal group of people creating negativity, polarization, and disruption, with the primary intent of self-promotion to advance a career, for personal gain, or for more social media followers. Individuals that would have us be judge, jury, and executioner for people they have had issues with outside of the conference that has nothing to do with the conference itself.
Instead of working hard in research, being a positive force in the industry, or sharing their own unique experiences (which makes us better as a whole), they tear others down in order to promote themselves. This isn't just about DerbyCon, it is present at other conferences as well and it's getting worse each year. We've spoken with a number of conference organizers, and each year it becomes substantially more difficult to host a conference where people can come together in large group settings. It's not just conferences either. This behavior is happening all over the place on social media, in our industry, targeting people trying to do good. As a community, we add fuel to fire, attack others, and give them a platform in one massive toxic environment. We do this all in fear of repercussions from upsetting others. Until this pattern changes, it will continue to get worse.
[...] What we have had to deal with on the back-end the past few years is more than just running a conference and sharing with friends. The conference scene in general changed drastically and small pocket groups focus on outrage and disruption where there is no right answer (regardless of how you respond, it's wrong), instead of coming together, or making the industry better. There is a small, yet vocal group of people creating negativity, polarization, and disruption, with the primary intent of self-promotion to advance a career, for personal gain, or for more social media followers. Individuals that would have us be judge, jury, and executioner for people they have had issues with outside of the conference that has nothing to do with the conference itself.
Instead of working hard in research, being a positive force in the industry, or sharing their own unique experiences (which makes us better as a whole), they tear others down in order to promote themselves. This isn't just about DerbyCon, it is present at other conferences as well and it's getting worse each year. We've spoken with a number of conference organizers, and each year it becomes substantially more difficult to host a conference where people can come together in large group settings. It's not just conferences either. This behavior is happening all over the place on social media, in our industry, targeting people trying to do good. As a community, we add fuel to fire, attack others, and give them a platform in one massive toxic environment. We do this all in fear of repercussions from upsetting others. Until this pattern changes, it will continue to get worse.
Rumour is this is all over some guy writing the word 'boobies' on a markerboard that ended up pissing off feminists. I kid you not.
Well there you go: "something that would normally not be an issue explodes into a catastrophic situation on social media".
You let social media get in the way you deal with humans face to face.
I was at last years DerbyCon ... it was my 1st ... my enduring thought: You get this many mouth-breathing geeks with no social awareness together with other "elitist" geeks and it's a friggin mess. I couldn't take it and had to leave. Nothing against the DerbyCon people ... they don't pick the attendees. They did pick the bands tho, and that was next level terrible.
SJWs obviously ruined Derbycon.
This is happening in all sorts of social groups across America..
Small, yet vocal group of people and hashtag mobs creating negativity, polarization, and disruption throughout society..
Things like Facebook have amplified this to 11, making it impossible to organize social events of pretty much any kind anymore in America (whether its tech, music, arts..etc).
I wish I knew what the solution was.. as for me, just I ignore it all.. if I didn't see it myself, or someone I *really* trust didn't see it either..as far as I am concerned it didn't happen.. (shitty I know, but I don't have a better solution right now..)
good for them
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1. Enjoy your job
2. Make lots of money
3. Work within the law
Choose any two.
good for you
You canâ(TM)t have freedom to express yourself without the freedom to cause someone to feel insulted.
The two are related, if you cannot insult someone. Nearly all free speech is bound to make someone feel bad. If you say you got bad customer service, the service agent will feel bad. Nearly all speech will make somebody feel bad.
>Small, yet vocal group of people and hashtag mobs creating negativity, polarization, and disruption throughout society..
"Please stop calling the US "America", it is not."
(i.e. small vocal groups like this complainer... )
exactly as I was saying...
Haha... you took SANS courses... rube!
Don't be jealous, Cleatus. My employer can afford 6 grand for the best infosec training.
Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton will be sharing a cell in the gulag. Yay gulag!!1!
Wow... you have a job... does that make you feel special? Do you imagine that shouting "hillbilly" at people you don't know, and bragging about overpriced vocational training courses, will somehow disguise the obvious fact that you're a half-educated suburban yokel with no actual talent for infosec?
Does it embarrass you that many of your kin are redneck white trash hillbillies? Deep down in your heart you know that you, too, are a redneck - and you're terrified that anyone will find out. Is it depressing to have so much irrational hatred for your own family and heritage?
STFU mutt
STFU burger
STFU walmart scooter riding, retarded rotting fatberg, inbred bastard son of a flyover hillbilly.
America is the us, and the us is America
Would burn you with her wit, experience, or skills.
Now they're just like a gang of first graders again, ganging up on random people they don't like because of a real or imagined slight then calling in the teacher or yard duty on you, while going nya nya nya nya.
The sad part to me is most of the women worth having in tech made the smart choice and went with another career. Not because they couldn't do it, but because the pay was better, and they didn't have to deal with the kinds of bullshit they didn't like. And you know what? The juvenile humor wasn't the bullshit most of them cared about. And that other kind is still there, grinding up those foolish enough to stay into dust.
Me? I never got my foot in the door and after a while lost the motivation to deal with the bullshit in the open source community as well
Tomorrow morning I expect most of the comments on this thread to be about how SJWs ruin everything, and Linux has gone to hell in a handbasket since they stopped letting developers swear, and how the only true communications are insults. What a brave new world!
from the writeup I would have thought it was because people were using it to PROMOTE THEMSELVES FOR GETTING MONEY purely by fluffing up shit(and providing shit all nothing content).
instead it's of some guy writing boobies, doing the exact opposite of that? fuck this shit.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
...we can't have nice things.
Just a deviant faggot that plays with guns.
Give me your man boobies bezos
Just try attending an amateur radio meeting!
Why do people, especially value-neutral technically-focused people ... not just start saying: No!
No. We want to focus on our stuff and have no obligation to engage with your issues.
No. We will not ban people because you want us to.
No. You cannot have special treatment. You get the same as everyone else. Nothing more, nothing less.
No. We will not enforce your Purity Code of Conduct. Want an ethics code? Use the ACM's. Or the IEEE.
No. Your chosen group membership does not compensate for your lack of ability. Meritocracy or GTFO.
No. You have not been elected, and do not represent the community you claim to defend.
No. We will not apologise for our intrinsic attributes, whether skin color or lifestyle choices.
No. Your ideological goals will not cause your behaviour to be overlooked or forgiven. You are what you do.
And in return: You get the same freedom from our interference.
The VILENESS of some activists, both left and right, but increasingly primarily on the left,
is despicable. Bipolar, partisan, nastiness. 100% agreement or you will be purged and punished.
Instead of merely a "2 minute hate" session, they are in a continual state of ideological fervour.
And like children, they are constantly calling for Authority to bring force down on their enemies.
More rules. More control. More force. Comply or be purged.
If this is not how you want to live, it is time to start telling them: NO!
Or is this now Radical as well?
(R)ule in Hell or (S)erve in Heaven [R]?
I agree!
In fact, I agree so strongly that I intend to protest about it, and be mollified by nothing!!
I'd like to give an example that will show everyone how much they fear and still side with SJWs despite things like this happening.
Bret Kavanaugh: Accused by 3 women of sexual harassment, 2 of them admitted they lied about it. Dr. Ford lied at least 15 times in her under oath testimony in the Senate about him (provably) and with no other witnesses or evidence she was not credible (and could still be charged. but won't be).
Bill Clinton: Raped a woman, told his AG to not prosecute and since then has yet to be charged/questioned about it.
If you think I am a whacko for pointing this out and think Kavanaugh is a bad guy and Clinton is a good guy, congratulations you are with the SJWs. People think its all about #meToo or sexual harassment or other things, its not. You either spout correct "group think" or you are evil no matter what. They have no issue attacking gays, blacks, other minorities etc. as long as they support the wrong side they are wrong no matter their identity (Diamond and Silk, Candice Owens, Milo Y, etc)
So if you support a rapist (Clinton) and think a good guy (Kavanaugh) is evil, you are still with them. Either from fear or you are truly one of them. We are a long way from fixing this as long as we can give passes to rapists and destroy guys who literally did nothing wrong other than think the wrong way.
Nothing but downward spirals and moral traps. Damned if you do, damned if you don't - well damn the whole lot of humanity. Engineered stupidity. What the f*ck is the point of this dumbass existence if everyone's sole driver is to be a piece of shit on behalf of other pieces of shit?
The Conference for Horses.
Was my first thought.
Uh...please have that second cup of coffee. DerbyCon is held in Louisville, Kentucky, home to Churchill Downs, which is a famous horse racing complex that hosts the famous "Kentucky Derby" horse race. So...er...yeah, "DerbyCon" is meant to be a play on "the place with the horses".
Maybe you're thinking of DerpyCon?
Never apologize. As Kevin Hart has discovered to his own chagrin, the SJW outrage masters will never be happy with any apology. You have to keep apologizing over and over; giving more ground; begging to be exonerated from a group that will never be satisfied. They want nothing less than your total humiliation and utter destruction. It should be obvious to even the most dimwitted appeaser.
Back in the 70s, the policy was NEVER to negotiate with terrorists no matter what the immediate threat and potential collateral damage may be. Success only emboldens the terrorists to strike again and again to demand many more pounds of flesh. Never apologize to a SJW. Ignore them. Block them. Disinvite them. Give them the middle finger. It may be hard in the short term but it's the only way to ever restore peace and normalcy.
there ya have what all these hackers cons are really about CORPORATE STEALING OF KIDS IDEAS FOR FREE
fuck em all ..........from
Chronoss
The whole Derby team was lovingly supported by swaths of well meaning and inclusive companies and groups, yes mainly comprised of men. This doesn't make it's core culture this patriarchal blanket of abuse and oppression against women or minorities.
Never in the 8 years that I have attended or the 20+ years on the scene with many of these people did I play a party to or see oppressive white male-centric behavior keep others out.If behaviors kept people out it was because they chose to be offended and to that I say good riddance.
The SJW botnet has gotten out of control and I lay it's rise and dominance at the feet of organizers of conferences such as Derbycon. Sure it's bad press to publicly tell SJWs to piss off because then they'll brand the conference inherently aggressive or racist but at the same time the odds of survival for the organization are much higher than the job or personal life of the individual who might have made an out of time joke or worse yet, was acting like the *gasp* juvenile person that attends the convention as he/she/it/them had since their teens and if the conference and their friends are it's outlet, who is any one else to try to destroy their life for it?
There were people in 01' - 05' who attended many conferences warning organizers and panel members that the choice between equality or freedom would be the single largest single point and possible detriment to the scene and it's future. Looks like they were right.
The worst part is that trusted members of the community contributed to the chaos to save public face. Deviant Ollam comes to mind. He spent YEARS around Defcon Alum, hosting and attending parties, keeping company with a rotating cast of people, many not fit for polite company and surely not the type you'd take to family gatherings. He swiftly got this reputation for whereas keeping perplexing company was reasonable and fair and this got him many eyes and ears (=money) at whatever conference he would attend.
In the last 4 years he has taken company with almost the polar opposite group now that the tables are turned and will frequently draw outrage to any one who dares in his mind to be racist or sexist (still hangs out with Machine Gun Kelly), going so far as to stoke hordes of Feminists (Uses his wife) against people he as recent as a couple years ago would have called friend all to save face and make a buck!
Deviant is a good knowable example of this but surely not the only one who has recently developed a curious sense of amnesia since the nonsense had started. I suppose he's trying to get ahead of any of his own #metoos start to shake out of the tree in order to insulate that sham of a non for profit he runs.
I guess all I really mean to say is that it looks like the security scene got owned from the inside and the social virus prevails, it's a shame and I wish it were different. New things are coming, they are all as a result going to be invite only, exclusive and elitist and above all else:
It's
All
Your
Fault!
I went to the first few DerbyCons, and there was a lot of drinking. At the last one I attended, so many people (including the presenters) were drunk after lunch that I left. I don't know if David is primarily referring to the markerboard incident, but if you throw a drunken party, you're going to get drunken behavior.
> But this is the point. If you leave a whiteboard somewhere, it is likely that someone will write something on it. Maybe interesting, probably not, potentially offensive.
If you invite people to write / draw whatever, some idiot will draw a penis. How long it takes before someone draws a penis in different situations is a measurable quantity known as TTP, time to penis.
An area for further study is TTPE, time to penis erasure. This is how long after the penis is drawn until some reasonable person comes by and erases it.
Recently we've been seeing an inversion. TTPE is sometimes higher (longer time) than TTSJW, meaning a whack job has the opportunity to see it and go insane prior to a reasonable person erasing it.
Is the biggest boys club there is and they led the charge on derbycon!
For fucking up the internet. Hope you're happy.
..or Barack Obama!
I had to read TFA to figure out why it was called DerbyCon, I misread it was DerpyCon and automatically assumed it was for Bronies. If the Slashdot snippet said anything about Louisville or Kentucky, this could have been avoided.
You gotta admit, the SJWs totally have the upper hand on social engineering. We need to up our game if we're going to defend against their methods in the future.