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Huawei CEO Says Company Doesn't Spy For China and Praises Trump in Rare Appearance (cnbc.com)

Huawei would never allow China's government to access customer data, even if Beijing requested it, the CEO and founder of the company repeatedly emphasized Tuesday, amid continued political pressure on the Chinese technology giant. From a report: In a rare sit down with international media, Ren Zhengfei addressed concerns raised by the U.S. government, which has warned that the company's equipment could allow the Chinese government to have a backdoor into a nation's telecommunications network. Ren, speaking Mandarin and using a company-provided translator, told the group that Huawei has never handed data to Beijing. "When it comes to cybersecurity and privacy protection we are committed to be sided with our customers. We will never harm any nation or any individual," Ren told the journalists assembled at Huawei's headquarters in Shenzhen, China.

"China's ministry of foreign affairs has officially clarified that no law in China requires any company to install mandatory back doors. Huawei and me personally have never received any request from any government to provide improper information," Ren added. [...] But Ren actually praised the U.S. president. "For President Trump as a person, I still believe he is a great president," he said. "In the sense that he was bold to slash taxes. And I think that's conducive for the development of industries in the United States."

122 comments

  1. Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After the way China has chosen to treat Canadians over there I don't need Trump to encourage North America to stop consuming Chinese goods. I can do that myself.

    1. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What treatment should they give to the guy found guilty of trafficking, what was it, hundreds of pounds of methamfetamin? Send him home with a pat on the back?

    2. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life in prison as all civilized countries do for non-violent crimes, especially crimes that don't directly harm anyone. I don't expect China to be particularly enlightened on something like this, but at least try to be better than the worst. I mean, hell, the most drug war loving country in the world, the US, doesn't hand out death penalties for this.

    3. Re:Canada by dryeo · · Score: 4, Informative

      They originally gave him 15 years. After the Huaweii incident, they seem to have decided to give him the death sentence and had a court session with the press invited to change the sentence. Inviting the press to a court session is seldom done.

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    4. Re:Canada by lgw · · Score: 2

      After the way China has chosen to treat Canadians over there I don't need Trump to encourage North America to stop consuming Chinese goods. I can do that myself.

      You should hear how they treat anyone from Africa. Recurring police raids at your apartment to ransack the place to look for the drugs you're obviously selling, since you're from Africa. Couple times a year, apparently. With no protection from constitution nor tradition, the police just come in whenever they feel like it, no need for any cause probable or otherwise.

      I recently dumped my investments in China. With the rise of Emperor Xi they've been moving in the wrong direction on human rights.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    5. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      drug don't harm people? This person facilitate the availability of large quantity of drug, that could potentially harm a lot of peoples. You need to choose one side, and not flip flopping whenever it suite your need.

    6. Re:Canada by derrickn · · Score: 3

      Sorry for the blatant what-about-ism but China exports far more fentanyl than it imports meth. And fentanyl is killing a hell of a lot more people than meth is. So please arrest all the exporters, too? Secondly, this isn't about the law in China - as others have pointed out, Canada doesn't currently approve of capital punishment but that is the concensus view and not exhaustive. Its certainly subject to change if the majority of the Canadian population chooses to change it . As opposed to China where the laws change according to the view of a tiny percentage of a percentage of the population (the party leadership) and is dictated to the sheep-ish population Thirdly - this *is* about how the Chinese media suddenly jumped on a two year old court case, followed by the Chinese judiciary suddenly and without any apparent new evidence (according to the Chinese defence lawyer for the case) exacting a re-trial and a savage new sentence. Note that the Chinese national who was convicted at the same time as the Canadian was given a suspended death sentence. Maybe the Canadian is more guilty than the Chinese national, and maybe death is the proper sentence for his crimes in China. Per point 2, that's not the issue - China's laws are China's laws - what's of concern is how the case has suddenly been amplified in what looks very much like an attempt at political manipulation.

    7. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >So please arrest all the exporters, too?
      What reason do you have to believe that they're NOT being arrested, and that the Chinese government indirectly engages in export of illegal drugs?

    8. Re:Canada by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      So you've dumped your investments from the US too as they've been moving in the wrong direction on human rights these past couple of years. (Well more than that but it's sped up specifically these past two years.)

    9. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life in prison as all civilized countries do for non-violent crimes, especially crimes that don't directly harm anyone.

      I guess you don't have drug gangs and drug related violent crime in your country? Many countries take an extremely harsh view of drug use and drug trafficking. They are the countries that don't have a problem with junkies and don't need "safe" injection sites, needle exchange programs, and all the other BS that bleeding-heart liberals cause. I live in Canada and I wish my country would take a much more firmer stand on enforcement and punishment with regards to illegal drugs.

    10. Re:Canada by lgw · · Score: 1

      Yes, there's always some asshole who thinks there's an equivalence between the US and China. No one needs that asshole, and he should probable move to Tumblr.

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    11. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to correct, the one of the Canadian pawns/hostages suddenly retried in a day and sentenced to death was alleged to have been planning to export some 500 pounds of the drug from the PRC to Australia.

    12. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > as they've been moving in the wrong direction on human rights these past couple of years.

      Examples please.

  2. Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow he figured it out that if you praise Trump, you get favorable treatment from him and his administration!

    1. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Wow he figured it out that if you praise Trump, you get favorable treatment from him and his administration!

      Such an improvement from, "Attack and kill Americans, pinkie-promise not to build nuclear weapons, get billions of dollars from Obama."

      Because the words of Iran's crazy Medieval mullahs can be trusted!

    2. Re:Wow he figured it out! by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have worked with Bosses who were like Trump. They are easy to manipulate and control, and I can normally get my way without them making any fuss, and they will often stand behind me.
      Their Ego is their biggest flaw, you keep their ego happy and make them feel like they are the Big Boss man who we all love. They will most of the time give you free reign, as long after your done, he looks good.
      They are actually extremely ineffective as a Boss, an most people really don't like them, because if you cross their Ego there is hell to pay. And their Ego would trump (no pun intended) and greater good thinking or long term thinking. And as an employee who is manipulating the guy you are also competing against other employees who may be manipulating him in the other direction.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    3. Re:Wow he figured it out! by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed. Trump is a classical narcissist who thinks he knows better than his specialized advisers, and who is convinced he understands defense and geopolitical strategy better than his generals, because he is "special".

      Really not intending to be polemic, but this is a very common trait among autocrats like Hitler, Stalin, Putin to a degree, though he is much, much smarter than the former about it.

      Narcissists are easily influenced by flatterers and surround themselves by yes-persons, since all with divergent opinions are driven out. Again something that can be observed in the Trump administration.

    4. Re: Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my god trump! Donâ(TM)t step on that nail! Go tell the secret service to check for nails! And go get a manicure at the white house! They have a nice nail salon there. Go tell them...

    5. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Because the words of Iran's crazy Medieval mullahs can be trusted!

      More than the words of Trump, unfortunately. :(

    6. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I hate to speak positively for Trump, but he has created an economy which is booming, and is recession-proof. It might have stumbled here and there, but the Dow is almost recovered from the correction, and the US economy is in overdrive with no end in sight.

      Not many Presidents can claim to have an economy immune to bear markets or recessions.

    7. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Trump is working for China, on Huawei payroll for years already. He got a great health care plan from them, something even better than the congress get.

    8. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this reddit response is really cringey

    9. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which pathetic paid shill is modding this comment up?
      And why do they have mod points?

    10. Re:Wow he figured it out! by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not sure why this is modded so highly. The only money Iran got in the recent Iran deal was money that already belonged to it that we owed them. The "Promise not to build Nuclear Weapons" thing is, you know, a part of any anti-Nuclear treaty, why would you expect it not to be in there? And "Attack and kill Americans" isn't a thing Iran is currently involved in in any serious way, if it were we'd be at war already.

      The truth right now is that Iran is the one county in the Middle East (other than Israel, which we're already friends with) that's close (albeit still a way from) having a proper democracy and popular government. It's a country we were, until the mid-seventies, friends with, and it's a country that was, until the revolution, extremely Westernized.

      And here's the kicker: anything that promotes friendly relationships with the West undermines the religious government of Iran and strengthens the secular government. You feed into the "Great Satan" narrative by promoting treating Iran as lepers. You want to undermine Islamic fundamentalism? Make friends. Get Iran on good terms with the US. There's a lot of work to be done, some of the antagonism has legitimate roots (Iran suffered from terrible interference in its political affairs throughout most of the 20th Century until the revolution thanks to Britain and America) and has to be taken into account. But this whole "We're just enemies and we need to keep it that way" shit needs to end.

      Shame on those who would prefer war and would prefer it remain unstable and hostile.

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    11. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what are you sniffing ?

    12. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      President Trump did not get to where he is by being anyone else. He is who he is. Had he chosen different people to listen to, he likely wouldn't be the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. He goes with his gut. His gut has been right so far, why shouldn't he? None of his generals know squat about being Trump. He's king of the hill, top of the heap, A #1. New York, New York, and if you can make it there...

    13. Re:Wow he figured it out! by gtall · · Score: 3, Informative

      A story about China and you bring up Iran? Obama didn't give billions of dollars to Iran, he merely allowed them to reclaim their money the U.S. had a hold upon.

      I wouldn't have signed that deal either with Iran, but there are plenty of foreign policy experts both within and without the U.S. Military who supported it. You must think of them as secret Obama supporters. And what is it Trump supporters still campaigning against Obama, he's not been president for 2 years. It leads me to think you want to deflect any blame for the current situation from Trump.

      Oh, and before you want argue that the Trump wants a militarily strong U.S., he was considering pulling out of NATO....just a little present for his main squeeze, Putin.

    14. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only been a couple years-- it's way too soon to start heaping laurels of economic acumen on him.
      Let's give it another six years and then wait a little more before we look back and start making judgements on this sort of thing.

    15. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the kicker. Pompeo, Pence, are both Evangelical Christian Zionists who believe that they need the Jews to rule Israel in order for the rapture to occur. They think that Iran is the great Satan, and their ultimate arch enemy because Iran is against Zionism.

      Can't America keep the crazys out of office, especially out of foreign affairs?

    16. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post a link with these all these so called photos, and actually newspapers covering it.

    17. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have worked with Bosses who were like Trump. They are easy to manipulate and control, and I can normally get my way without them making any fuss, and they will often stand behind me.

      Their Ego is their biggest flaw, you keep their ego happy and make them feel like they are the Big Boss man who we all love. They will most of the time give you free reign, as long after your done, he looks good.

      Life it too short for this shit. Used to play these games just to keep projects from failing. Ultimately realized not only did I really not want to do it I was part of the problem. The best thing is actually for people like these to fail and if need be take everything down with them.

      I left and now I spend my time getting shit done not playing mental gymnastics with idiots. Best decision I ever made.

      And as an employee who is manipulating the guy you are also competing against other employees who may be manipulating him in the other direction.

      Yea FUCK that. The cost of vacuum of effective leadership isn't just the annoying person at the top it's the second order effects that flow from it. It corrupts everything it touches.

    18. Re: Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or more likely, they are offended by Iran not being a de facto colony of Albion and UNCLE. Offended about the loss of billions from oil.

    19. Re: Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah Hillary, you Godwin Trump. Yawn.

    20. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stunning ignorance. About 10 years ago it was front page news with photos showing Iran revolutionary guard commandos directing mortar and artillery fire from Iranian made weapons onto US troops on Iraqi soil.

      Alternative fact?

    21. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is great. Ambassadorship please!!!!!!

    22. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The money was NOT Iran's. It was the US's, pending final settlement of the many suits brought by the US and US people against Iran for their illegal theft and destruction of US property during and after the 1979 revolution.

      Oh, and actually the US is owed another few hundred billion on top of what was illegally given away.

      Of course, peaceful Iran took billions of that money, and used to finance terrorism and murder in at least three countries. You wonder why Iran is outcast and treated like a leper? It's because they are diseased and violent terrorists, deliberately murdering civilians all over the world - in Germany, Brazil, Syria...

      Shame on those that would support terrorism and prefer the kill the innocent rather than face reform and liability.

    23. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Stunning ignorance. About 10 years ago it was front page news with photos showing Iran revolutionary guard commandos directing mortar and artillery fire from Iranian made weapons onto US troops on Iraqi soil.

      Oh right we just need to suck their asshole and they will refer to us as the great slurper instead of satan.

      Whatever transgressions Iran has made against the US is nothing compared to transgressions of Saudi Arabia and Russia.

      It's not like the US is some fucking saint in any of this. CIA did meddle with leadership. The US military did shoot down Iran air flight 655 because the captain who fired the weapon wanted blood. We were allied with Saddam while we knew they were using chemical WMD against Iranians. We stood by and did nothing as atrocities were committed by allies just like we are doing in Yemen today.

      Saudi Arabia funds and promotes terrorism around the world including whacked fundi schools which form the ideological basis of ISIS. Saudi's have bankrolled numerous efforts which have directly resulted in the deaths of US soldiers in Iraq. I won't even start with 9/11 where 15/19 hijackers came from and the missing 28 pages from 9/11 commission report implicating Saudi government in the attacks.

      Russia's transgressions against this country by giving aid and assistance those we have engaged in conflict with directly resulting in dead Americans are vast and innumerable in every major conflict following WWII... Yet every US president republican or democrat always seeks to maintain the relationship.

      Iran is a fucked up no doubt about it but at least they are a real country unlike KSA. You don't make peace with your allies. Of the two I would much rather US make peace with Iran than have US leaders be seen continually kissing the ass of the literally inbred Saudis.

    24. Re:Wow he figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: "Not many Presidents can claim to have an economy immune to bear markets or recessions."

      Yeah, you are right! Literally no President can claim that, including Big Giant Orange Head. OK, BGOH is stupid enough to claim that. And I guess there are those "base" supporters who would believe it too. But this entire Administration is based upon the manipulation of stupid and I refuse to play along.

      Apologies if your post was sarcasm, but if so, you should really tag it as such.

  3. Good enough for me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will buy Huawei products only!

    1. Re: Good enough for me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here.

      I also believe there is no pee pee in my coke!

    2. Re:Good enough for me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here.
      I believe in everything that comes out of China.

  4. The real praise was... by Gabest · · Score: 1

    We, very tiny penis, but white man, large penis.

  5. Not dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're not dumb. They're appealing to Trump's pride, which is the smart move. He seems to be motivated by being lauded. Will be interesting to see if he moves in their direction after they've sung his praises.

  6. Very smart man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone knows the way to get what you want from Trump is to pander to his insecurities and praise him.

    Turkey almost got to massacre the Kurds on that basis for example.

    1. Re:Very smart man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it is that simple, why the democrat constantly bombard him with confrontation? Why the media constantly "standing up" for the country? It seems like you need to teach these peoples how to manipulate Trump, so they don't need to win any office but still run the country. Or is it because these peoples are working for Russia, and trying to topple the USA?

    2. Re: Very smart man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chuck and Nancy played him like a fiddle. âoeIâ(TM)m proud to shut down the government!â they got him to say. And now heâ(TM)s screwed, painted into a corner.

  7. Famous CEO quote by DigiShaman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    From the CEO of Huawei. "I still love my country, I support the Communist party, but I will never do anything to harm any country in the world..."

    Fuck communism (it's evil), and fuck Huawei!

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    1. Re:Famous CEO quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost like a China-first policy or something? Eghads.

    2. Re:Famous CEO quote by microbox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not just "china-first", it's "begger thy neighbor". At least the USA believes in win-win situations.

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      Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
    3. Re:Famous CEO quote by radja · · Score: 1, Insightful

      communism isn't evil, but inevitably leads to a dictatorship. Communism is never reached, and will never work on a scale larger than a handful of people.

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      No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
      --Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
    4. Re:Famous CEO quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      communism isn't evil, but inevitably leads to a dictatorship. Communism is never reached, and will never work on a scale larger than a handful of people.

      Yep, Communism and Socialism always claim to be equal and equitable for all of the people both always end up in an authoritarian state where elites have all the goods and the rest become the poor and slaves. Every country Communism or Socialism has been put in place this is how it ends up. *cough* Venezuela *cough*

    5. Re:Famous CEO quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've been living on the internet and in American revisionhist history books (story books) if you believe China is a communist country. It's as capitalistic as it gets in that regard. And of course you're a weak tit, impressionably and affected by dishonest appeal to emotion.

      You hate Huawei but you don't know why, you just know that you do. Smart.

    6. Re:Famous CEO quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communism is evil the second you try and force me to do it. I don't want it, most people don't.

      Communism only works in prison like environments. You want more freedom, you have to deal with the markets, choices and the usual slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.

    7. Re: Famous CEO quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      edgelord, or commie?

    8. Re:Famous CEO quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Capitalism seems to be going down the same exact path. People are starving here in the US, just as they are in Venezuela. Problem is that failed capitalism is more common than failed socialist regimes. Take Zimbabwe for instance.

      To boot, Venezuela has better health care than the US, believe it or not.

      Yeah,right! Venezuela has better health care! Ha! LOL! So the fact that there's no meds isn't a problem there? The fact that people quit going because there's no reason to if they can't get help! Yeah, I'm sure all of those Venezuelans are so happy with their socialized health care right now! Really!

      Yes a very small percent of people are starving in the US but ya know the WHOLE population of Venezuela has lost several pounds in the last few years and many have starved and died. You can't say that about US unless you are completely being dishonest. Don't look now but your liberal narrative is showing!

      Zimbabwe, the ones that are begging the white farmers to come back after they realized their mistake? Oh yeah, great example you gave there!

      That's why they're all coming here because US system is failed. LOL! The only problems we seem to be having is with those who come here and try to mess it up! Maybe it's not perfect but to say it's worse than any other country on the face of the planet is just ignorant. They coming to America! They coming to America! They coming to America! Today!

    9. Re:Famous CEO quote by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Capitalism is authoritarianism in the hands of all people. Communism is authoritarianism in the hands of a few ruling elite that also run the government/military.

      One could say we already have the framework in place for Communism in America now. True capitalism died out with heavy frivolous regulation.

      A functional government is supposed to be a referee, not the main player in a free enterprise system. Otherwise, it ain't free.

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    10. Re: Famous CEO quote by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      People are starving here in the US, just as they are in Venezuela

      lol

      Haven't seen this kind of propaganda since the USSR fell ...

    11. Re: Famous CEO quote by gDLL · · Score: 1

      +1

    12. Re: Famous CEO quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because YOUR morbidly obese faggot ass isn't hungry *wait 10 minutes* doesn't mean there's nobody around who doesn't get enough to eat, faggot. Your mom for example gobbles cock all day, hungry or not..

    13. Re:Famous CEO quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Capitalism is authoritarianism in the hands of all people.

      No, Capitalism is authoritarianism in the hands of CEOs and bankers... the rest of us for all practical purposes have no say in the game and are just modern day serfs.

    14. Re:Famous CEO quote by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Capitalism is when kids are allowed to run a lemonade and hot-dog stand out in front of their house. Authoritarianism is when the police come and shut them down and issue the parents a fine.

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      Life is not for the lazy.
  8. whereas .... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1, Interesting

    in the USA many companies are required to hand over your data.. and have done so ...

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    1. Re:whereas .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The difference is that in China, the Chinese government has people on board of decision committes. Picture having CIA, DHS, IRS, or ICE officers in a company meeting calling the shots.

      Don't forget any venture on Chinese soil has to be owned 51% by Chinese.

      Totally different game. People whine about the US, but it no way compares to China's abuses.

      Having Huawei not help out the government is a joke, as a Chinese business is part of the Chinese government.

    2. Re:whereas .... by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      Picture having CIA, DHS, IRS, or ICE officers in a company meeting calling the shots.

      That's an easy one. Do you have harder challenges?

      People whine about the US, but it no way compares to China's abuses.

      On the contrary. The comparison is not only valid, but also extremely useful. If individual freedom really were the core value of the US, the comparison would have been laughable. Alas, The core value of the US seems to be the corporate freedom to take away the freedom of individuals.

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    3. Re:whereas .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, in the US phone calls and online chats are not yet dropped when you use the wrong word in a conversation, there are no political re-education camps (lookup "Xinjiang re-education camps") in the US yet, and there are no citizen scores that determine your right to travel or go to higher education.

      In a nutshell, the US might be an unjust country with a rotten penal and judicial system and an outdated election system, but it's nowhere near the level of authoritarian dystopia China is heading for.

    4. Re:whereas .... by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not just that. Every large company has a department that is specifically there to maintain political compliance. This department has ability to displace anyone in the company and is staffed by CCP officials who are picked by CCP itself and company has no real power over.

      That's why CEO of Huawei can openly state that government never made any requests like this to him. They didn't. They make such requests to CCP officials within the company who almost certainly handle the matter as an internal CCP policy that CEO has no real say in.

    5. Re:whereas .... by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      in the USA many companies are required to hand over your data.. and have done so ...

      In the US, there do exist avenues for companies to fight such government requests and pressure, including court fights and fights in the public media. There are also avenues for individuals to fight such requests, including leaks and sabotage. We have seen examples of such in the US, but this does not happen in China.

      Although it is very likely that both the US and China put pressure on their companies to aid in international spying, the big difference is that avenues to fight or even express private disapproval do not exist in China. Companies, much like top government officials, exist because the government allows them to exist, and as seen over the last few years, that approval to exist can be canceled very quickly, with dire consequences for those individuals and their families.

    6. Re:whereas .... by brit74 · · Score: 1

      The difference is that when US companies hand over data, companies fight against it and we hear about it. In China, the government has so much control, that the companies won't even admit the government has access to everything. There's a long list of companies that have been bullied into giving up user data to China in exchange for access to their market. Just lookup "Google" and "Dragonfly project" for an example. The game has always been "play by our rules or else" in China.

    7. Re: whereas .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huawei is by all practical means a state-owned Enterprise, as are all chicom corporations.

      They just operate a bit differently than a soviet enterprise. Smart communism, basically.

      They steamroll the competition in the west using the almost unlimited coffers of the communist party.

  9. Flattery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flatter ruler, maybe get woman freed. 1000 ships stay docked.
    I think the chinese have enough hackers to break into anything, even if there aren't back doors. If you analyze the microchip layout under execution, you can flip bits either way (as MIT has shown), even if the programming is perfect (which it never is, "machine code" and what it actually is translated to are different things)

    Btw: some FOSS news. You know, news for nerds...
    https://slashdot.org/submission/9087542/author-recinds-gpl

  10. Translation by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 0

    Ren, speaking Mandarin and using a company-provided translator, told the group that Huawei has never handed data to Beijing.

    That's silly. Beijing is a city and can't speak. Now various intelligence/government agencies are a different story.

    When it comes to cybersecurity and privacy protection we are committed to be sided with our customers.

    This could go several ways. First, I'm guessing that the Chinese government is one of, if not their biggest customer. Second, Sided with what? Vinyl, aluminum, brick, stucco...

    We will never harm any nation or any individual,

    Of course not. Huawei is not a military, they are a company. Besides, information wants to be free (to flow into China).

    China's ministry of foreign affairs has officially clarified that no law in China requires any company to install mandatory back doors.

    Neither did the NSA. But, you know, if they are there they should share this information with intelligence agencies.

    "Huawei and me personally have never received any request from any government to provide improper information," Ren added

    Define "improper information".

    Ren actually praised the U.S. president. "For President Trump as a person, I still believe he is a great president," he said. "In the sense that he was bold to slash taxes. And I think that's conducive for the development of industries in the United States."

    I suspect if half of the US was on fire and the other half was under water he would still say something similar.

    1. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      love it

  11. Prefer Chinese government spying on me over my own by Ashthon · · Score: 0

    China's ministry of foreign affairs has officially clarified that no law in China requires any company to install mandatory back doors.

    If they had such a law they wouldn't tell foreign governments about it as that would rather defeat the object.

    Even if such a law exists, I'm far more concerned about the UK government spying on me than the Chinese. The Chinese are in no position to harm me while my own government might arrest me on some random charge of hate speech, which these days is basically anything, and after the UK signed the UN Migration packed, objecting to mass migration can now even be criminalised. Or maybe they might lock me up for extreme pornography, where you can be imprisoned for three years for possessing porn containing simulations (drawn, computer generated, acted) of rape, sexual acts with animals (furry), sexual acts with minors, sexual acts that could cause injury (bondage) and a variety of other stuff. The Chinese government aren't going to arrest me for these things, so if I'm being spied on I'll take the Chinese over the Five Eyes.

    If I were living in China I'd probably choose a foreign phone over a Chinese one, for the exact same reasons, but if I'm not in China I'm more than happy to use my Xiaomi. That said, if I were running a company with an innovative product I may think twice about what I communicate with my Chinese phone, since industrial espionage does seem to be a real issue.

  12. Special Advisors!!! Oh Noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    His "specialist advisors" raised unemployment, massively increased food stamp usage, significantly increased medical insurance costs, and raised unemployment greatly when they were "specialist advisors" to Obama.
    These same people killed by thousands with drone strikes in the Middle East, and we are learning the large majority of those killings were the wrong targets.
    These same people started wars in: Libya, Yemen, Syria, in addition to the neverending one in Iraq. They also told coal workers, steel workers, manufacturer workers to fuck off and shut up and die.

    Trump reverses all that, and he is the bad guy here?
    Only to a progressive is a government worker getting a check a few weeks late a complete disaster, but steel workers losing their jobs forever due to bad Federal policy acceptable and encouraged. What a jerk.

    lols. You are evil.

    1. Re:Special Advisors!!! Oh Noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the sane one and were downvoted?

      Seriously the guys above have some TDS.

    2. Re:Special Advisors!!! Oh Noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck? This is straight up lying.

    3. Re:Special Advisors!!! Oh Noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data

      Liberals clicking the above link are going to have an aneurism. Keep on supporting the civilian killer in chief, Obama.
      542 drone strikes
      3,797 killed
      324 civilians mis-targeted

      But they weren't Obama supporters, so killing them (including a US citizen that was never given a trial) is ok (liberal logic).

    4. Re:Special Advisors!!! Oh Noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His "specialist advisors" raised unemployment, massively increased food stamp usage, significantly increased medical insurance costs, and raised unemployment greatly when they were "specialist advisors" to Obama.

      The first, second, and fourth (nice repeat) were all due to the recession that was sparked by Republicans (and admittedly Democrats were on board for the bubble) under Bush. You can argue Obama and the Democrat/Republican lead Congress should have done more, but it's not like Trump and the Republican lead Congress are responsible for the current economic improvements. Finally, for the third one, medical insurance costs have been skyrocketing for ages and while Obamacare has resulted in it skyrocketing less fast, it's still quite horrible. So, I'm perfectly willing to put the onus on Obama for his "fix" being in line with expectation but in that being a failure.

      These same people killed by thousands with drone strikes in the Middle East, and we are learning the large majority of those killings were the wrong targets.
      These same people started wars in: Libya, Yemen, Syria, in addition to the neverending one in Iraq.

      You forgot Afghanistan, but then those "neverending" wars only started in 2002/2003. I'm actually fine with Trump's push to ignore advisers with leaving Syria. Honestly, we should never have went there, or Iraq, or Afghanistan in the first place. Having said that, Obama's drone strike policy in the Middle East and Afghanistan/Pakistan was horrible. Just like GWB's torture policy. Or boths warrantless wiretaps and other warrantless searches. Has Trump went back on any of that?

      They also told coal workers, steel workers, manufacturer workers to fuck off and shut up and die.

      Did they tell them to fuck off or die? Yes, they should have told them to shut up because except for some strategic reasons of leaving *some* steel and other production in the US, there's no sound economic sense to subsidizing coal, steel, or manufacturing jobs. So, yes, the industry and the jobs should "die" if that's what the market dictates. That doesn't mean the people should die. They should get different jobs. If that's the only "good" job in the area, then you can argue about pushing for more retraining and relocation to other places that need jobs. Not only would that be a better investment, it'd put people in a position to help themselves.

      Trump reverses all that, and he is the bad guy here?

      Yes. Tariffs don't work, especially in a globalized economy. At best they delay the inevitable. For his war policy, I'm actually generally in support of it except that he's perfectly willing to sell weapons of war and death to monsters. That sort of by proxy fighting in Yemen is why arms dealers have such a horrible reputation; even how Trump talked about the arm deal speaks precisely of how horrible a person he is, where he tried to justify it with the idea that if it wasn't the US then someone else would sell the weapons to Saudi Arabia. I guess back in WW2, Trump would have pushed for selling weapons to the Nazis.

      Only to a progressive is a government worker getting a check a few weeks late a complete disaster, but steel workers losing their jobs forever due to bad Federal policy acceptable and encouraged. What a jerk.

      What good Federal policy would help steel workers keep their job? Massive tariffs* to inflate the price of steel and hence all American made goods with steel in them? That just accelerates purchasing of non-American goods. Directly subsidize the steel workers/industry? That would require tens of billions of dollars (maybe more?), shift the burden to the taxpayer, discourage efficient production of steel in the US, and do nothing to solve the problem while encouraging China to subsidize more to indirectly bankrupt the US. It's funny, btw, because in many ways g

    5. Re:Special Advisors!!! Oh Noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, it shows that the far right wing nuts is voting him up. They all believe in what they want to believe and denial all other facts. I know some of this kind of people. IQ doesn't matter if there is "faith" involved. Good joke for the day.

  13. Re: Prefer Chinese government spying on me over my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    scenario: china spies on you and builds up a huge profile about you, passively even. a friendly five eyes breaks into their shitty commie network looking for whatever they can get, and your stuff gets copied in the process.

    oops! now your government knows you like piss play, or god knows what else you're terrified of them knowing.

    this kind of logic you gave is bad in general. the best option is simply not to be spied on in the first place. privacy laws need to be enforced better, and new ones made where they are insufficient

    but what do I know? I'm just a guy on the internet

  14. Re:Prefer Chinese government spying on me over my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My concern is that one may not worry about a foreign government spying, but that info can be easily sold to criminal organizations that can directly affect me. For example, if I know Lower Elbonian intel owns my phone, I may have little worries directly, as I may never set foot on their soil. However, the intel can be sold to competitors, or even criminal organizations. Come the next recession, I wouldn't be surprised to see collaboration/collusion between organizations who glean data and gangs to find when people are a way to time burglaries/home invasions.

    At least if my government spies on me, they are far less likely to sell that info to a party that can actually do amage, as opposed to a foreign government whose interest may be causing other countrys' citizens harm, just for kicks.

  15. CEO:Liar and a thief wouldn't expect anything less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See title.

  16. I want to meet the idiot who believes this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I can laugh in their face.

    They have absolutely no say in the matter.. NONE. And when the CCP controls the cell phone companies, listening in on your calls is not even a second though.

    Can people really be THIS stupid????

    Release the wu mao's!!!!

  17. HAHAHHAHAHAH Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Huawei would never allow China's government to access customer data, even if Beijing requested it"

    HAHHAA right... since Huawei is 51% owned by Beijing (like every other Chinese corporation must be), I find that very hard to believe.

    1. Re: HAHAHHAHAHAH Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are 100% state-owned, but have erected a facade of lies to cover it up.

      Their proper name is Red Star Telecom.

  18. Careful wording by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    .."even if Beijing requested it".
    So far as I know... they do not "request" anything. They tell you to do it, and you do it. Unless you are keen to see family members vanish.

  19. Re:Blame Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Murder isn't retaliation, it's trying to start a war.

  20. "Unwritten" Rules by TheHawke · · Score: 1

    This is one of those silent, unwritten, but well-known rule that if Beijing wants something, you comply, no questions asked. Or you wind up in a concentration camp building products out of Chinesium for us fat Yankees.

    Irritating, I know, but what do you expect out of a country like that?

    --
    First rule of holes; When in one, stop digging.
    1. Re:"Unwritten" Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Chinesium"...heh...I'm stealing that, thanks!

    2. Re:"Unwritten" Rules by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      Twenty five dollars for each instance that it is used, business or personal.

      --
      First rule of holes; When in one, stop digging.
  21. So..... CEOS are the same everywhere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "In the sense that he was bold to slash taxes. And I think that's conducive for the development of industries in the United States."

    They all have their heads up their backsides. Corporations used the vast majority of their massive tax benefit to buy back stock. Expansion? Hiring? Hardly any.

  22. Author announces GPL license recission on 8chan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://slashdot.org/submission/9098318/author-announces-gpl-license-recission-on-8chan
    Background info: https://slashdot.org/submission/9087542/author-recinds-gpl

  23. Adults don't do revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A) Adults don't do revenge.
    B) Murder is not an appropriate form of retaliation
    C) The timing of the arrest was an internal move to sabotage Trump
    D) It's fairly obvious that your princess was blatantly committing bank fraud.
    E) Obvious troll is obvious.

    1. Re:Adults don't do revenge by gDLL · · Score: 1

      A) Adults don't do revenge. -- bwhahahahhaha.
      And do you also believe in Santa Klaus ?

  24. return of the swamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only corrupt governments need flattery.

  25. the most drug war loving country in the world by gDLL · · Score: 1

    citation needed or else.

  26. I heard... by NotFamous · · Score: 1

    ...that he did a pinky-swear, so it sounds legit.

    --
    Some settling may occur during posting.
  27. the communist PARTY by gDLL · · Score: 1

    read this: PARTY. The country may be capitalistic, but the communist PARTY is STILL COMMUNIST son.

  28. WHY WOULD THEY EVER ADMIT IT? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    Oh, please.

  29. he refrain of the retarded faggot sans clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Chinese are in no position to harm me" - The refrain of the retarded faggot sans clue.

  30. Re:Blame Canada by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Canada has kidnapped a Huawei official on Trumped-up charges at the request of America.

    That hasn't been determined yet in a court of law. Even the orange guy deserves "innocent until proven guilty".

  31. you make it sound like it comes for free by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

    Deciding to praise Trump comes with a price. If you don't believe it tell your coworkers Trump is a great president. You might get points with some and lose a ton of others, assuming your coworkers are mostly liberal.

    So when you do it either because your customers are almost entirely conservatives, or you say it because you believe it.

    1. Re:you make it sound like it comes for free by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      Get out of California echo chamber for a minute and you'll see how ridiculous you sound.

      The guy got elected President. More than "some" actually voted for him.

      --
      Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
      Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
    2. Re:you make it sound like it comes for free by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      Interesting, if you reread my post you'll see I'm saying that praising Trump in public -- which I've done on occasion -- comes with a price exactly because of the liberal echo chambers which I imagine many /.ers work in. I've made wrong conclusions on first glance too, proves that this is an emotional topic no matter how much one thinks he's rational.

    3. Re:you make it sound like it comes for free by citylivin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "The guy got elected President. More than "some" actually voted for him."

      Exactly. Americans are stupid, period. We all learned that when GW bush was RE-elected...(if people didnt know that before with reagan, and others before that)

      The american "left" (really right wing by world standards) seems to think that america is schizophrenic, or that "good" americans are being manipulated by russia. When actually, no, the american public have been pretty much racist, classist, misogynistic, genocidal and ignorant since the countries founding. There is a reason that america has that reputation all over the world, and it wasnt started by trump. He is just the epitome of what the world already thinks most americans are like.

      I am sure there are the occasional "good hombres" like noam chomsky, but their numbers are like one in a million.

      --
      As a potential lottery winner, I totally support tax cuts for the wealthy
  32. BS [Re:Special Advisors!!! Oh Noes!!!] by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when they were "specialist advisors" to Obama.

    So Obama is the one who crashed the US economy via banking deregulation? Buy a real history book, dude, not the Fox Edition. (Canada avoided much of the mortgage bubble slump by having sufficient regulations. It's also true that Bill Clinton, a Democrat, contributed to problematic banking dereg.)

    And T uses drone strikes also.

  33. My two cents by Hillie · · Score: 1

    $0.01 - A CEO of a chinese technology company saying they refuse to give data to the government is extremely ridiculous and obviously untrue. The Chinese government requires by law this, in at least other instances. For example, Tesla is required to have their cars over their constantly give data to the Chinese government or they're not allowed to be in the country.

    $0.01 - Praising of Trump is good TR (Trump Relations). History has shown that Trump tends to favor people who praise him, as can be seen during the history of his Presidency and Candidacy with Putin, Kim Jon Un, etc.

    He pretty much will play niceities with anyone who praises him. This could be a way of them trying to get Trump to play nicely with them.

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    - Alex
  34. Word games by ukoda · · Score: 1

    Assuming nothing has been lost in translation he could be technically not lying.

    "Huawei has never handed data to Beijing" because the Chinese government will simply take any data they want.

    "Huawei and me personally have never received any request from any government to provide improper information" because it will not be a request, it will be a demand.

    Bottom line here is you don't get to be a big company in China unless you work properly with government.