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Ajit Pai Gives Carriers Free Pass on Privacy Violations During FCC Shutdown (arstechnica.com)
Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai refused to brief a Congressional committee Monday about mobile carriers' ability to share their subscribers' location data with third parties. From a report: House Commerce Committee Chairman Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-N.J.) asked Pai for an "emergency briefing" to explain why the FCC "has yet to end wireless carriers' unauthorized disclosure of consumers' real-time location data," and for an update on "what actions the FCC has taken to address this issue to date." Pai's FCC could take action, despite the 2017 repeal of the commission's broadband privacy rules. Phone carriers are legally required to protect "Customer Proprietary Network Information [CPNI]," and the FCC's definition of CPNI includes location data.
[...] Pai did not agree with Pallone, it turns out. "Today, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai refused to brief Energy and Commerce Committee staff on the real-time tracking of cell phone location[s]," Pallone said in a statement yesterday. "In a phone conversation today, his staff asserted that these egregious actions are not a threat to the safety of human life or property that the FCC will address during the Trump shutdown."
[...] Pai did not agree with Pallone, it turns out. "Today, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai refused to brief Energy and Commerce Committee staff on the real-time tracking of cell phone location[s]," Pallone said in a statement yesterday. "In a phone conversation today, his staff asserted that these egregious actions are not a threat to the safety of human life or property that the FCC will address during the Trump shutdown."
What the carriers are doing is horrible, no doubt. They should be stopped from selling location data to anyone, full stop.
But it's also not wrong to say - this is not threat to life. It's something that should be addressed when the government is re-opened.
If you are really really keen on this moving forward, add to the support to fund the wall already authorized by previous government bills, and move on.
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The entire Trump Presidency is encapsulated in this : Moron shuts down the government on a tantrum-whim, consequently his "regulators" use that excuse to not do their jobs, as he obviously picked them not to.
Get a rope.
Why would he start protecting the public trust now?
It was a nice run but it's time to admit the experiment our founders put in motion all those years ago has failed. Undone by ignorance, complacency, and unfettered capitalism.
It was nice while it lasted. It's all over but the shouting now.
When you get lied to, do you enjoy it? Do Republicans enjoy being lied to? If you want to believe, here's a magic feather. Now jump into that 75 billion dollar hole. Go on. Obama spent 1.2 bailing us out, blow that away. #Fiscal GOP.
It has happened already.
he sides with the corporation over consumers almost every single time (he did some stuff for rural communities that you can chalk up to his party needing that voting block).
We all know this by now. The question I keep asking is, is this going to change how anybody votes in 2020? So far I haven't got a single answer of "yes". As such, I would expect him to continue this behavior since it seems to be working out just fine for him.
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Cheap Mexican labor is fucking carrying our economy you stupid shill.
Day one, they passed a set of micro-budgets. 7 of them. So the Senate could start turning on some parts of the federal government while still letting a shutdown affect one department (for face saving). The Senate never voted on them.
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I thought moderation was supposed to take care of this?
Man, this place is a shell of its former self.
Sad.
Google, Apple, and Microsoft still don't pay a fraction of the taxes they owe because of loopholes. If old uncle Bob tries to take advantage of the same loopholes he will be prosecuted for operating a shell corporation for tax evasion. Relevance you may ask? Nothing will come of this because unless a big corporation steps on another big corporation any lawsuit will amount to less than a slap on the wrist (probably equivalent to a pat on the back). I wish I could say there are two sets of laws in this country but there are not. Its just that the law is enforced differently on two sets of people. Though if you feel your constitutional rights are being infringed you are welcome to buy the $1 million lottery ticket to SCOTUS. Just know that their decision will be conveniently ignored by all lower courts so you will only be helping yourself.
And by you mean "he's not going to unlawfully force his staff to do unpaid work in order to make Congress happy while Congress fails to do their job and pay the staff".
The House wants the FCC employees to come to work and create a report for them about this. The House hasn't passed a spending bill authorizing that the employees get paid. I very well might not keep showing up to work weeks after I was no longer getting paid. (Unless I owned the company - I've done that).
I'm not saying it's not impossible, but for that kind of accusation you need to provide some proof - I have not read of anything like that happening.
The location data is not as easy to got, nor as accurate as you and many other seem to think - and here they are saying most people would be asked via text if it was OK to hand out location data.
Again, I still don't think carriers should even be allowed to sell this data. Wouldn't that then make the perfect case to pass an actual LAW banning it - you know, the thing Congress DOES? Why should the FCC even be involved if the problem is truly serious?
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People who kill other people tend to be more impulsive than they are intelligent. The number of people who are aware that they can access this data, intelligent enough to be able to gather and put it to use, but also willing to kill someone is incredibly small.
It's not that this can't happen, it's just a lot less likely. If we're interested in preventing spousal murders (or just violence in general) there are plenty of other things that we should be far more worried about. The sad thing is that something like this would get sensationalized and focus and effort that could be better spent elsewhere for better overall outcomes will instead be pointlessly squandered.
Because that's not how government works. You can't just pass budgets for the things you like and never pass a proper budget.
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The Law is the Law, and the Law does not provide for such things without the money to pay for them.
If there is no imminent threat to life or propery, or to national security, the FCC can't do squat.
There is no imminent threat to life or property, or to national security, as the result of sharing data that has been shared for YEARS with not one single injury or death attributed to it.
You are profoundly fucking stupid.
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People who kill other people tend to be more impulsive than they are intelligent. The number of people who are aware that they can access this data, intelligent enough to be able to gather and put it to use, but also willing to kill someone is incredibly small.
It's not that this can't happen, it's just a lot less likely. If we're interested in preventing spousal murders (or just violence in general) there are plenty of other things that we should be far more worried about. The sad thing is that something like this would get sensationalized and focus and effort that could be better spent elsewhere for better overall outcomes will instead be pointlessly squandered.
Probably more common in organized crime than spousal murders, but I wouldn't rule out the latter.
Should simply read "Ajit Pai Gives Carriers Free Pass on Privacy Violations".
*smirk* No there won't. No one has seen any "consequences", and no one ever will.
What are these consequences? Are they imaginary consequences? Are they the consequences of what happens to your mind from inhaling the smoke that you constantly seem to be blowing out your ass?
Geez. Find a new unhealthy obsession and move on already. Your nazi-faggot-too-many-caps-consequences posts are ready for the nursing home.
Not how it's supposed to work, but it does - regularly. Not even at the FED level... local gov'ts do this all the time (US at least).
Regardless how the house/senate vote it will get vetoed without full wall spending, so without 2/3rds majority (lol) then it doesn't really matter what the senate does/votes on.
sooner or later an angry ex-spouse is going to get this data and use it to kill someone. It's a wonder it hasn't happened already.
Not even close. Not even in the same ballpark as a threat to life. You want something that is vital that is not working the way it is supposed to be right now? Look at the FDA. Food inspections, drug approvals... not the things you want to be stopped or even measurably slowed.
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angry ex-spouses spying on, stalking and killing each other isn't some new phenomena created by the interwebs
> America is a humming machine of growth now
Directly from Fox news to an open brain without resistance.
I've seen no numbers to classify anything as a, "humming machine of growth." Any benefit has already been part of a longer term pattern from the recession a few years and administrations back.
But Fox-a-ganda is a strong force for those that want to believe what they spew.
They fact checked his hosting a college basketball team yesterday.
Trump "We had hamburgers a mile high"
WaPo " At two inches each, a thousand burgers would not reach one mile high"
Did I just make that up? or can I provide a Link to WaPo stating this?
Is that the kind of lies they fact check at WaPo? Thanks, I'll pass on fake news.
Oooh, look Superkunt is ranting his deep state delusions again. Sad.
With the Deep State finally on ice for a while during the shutdown
Deep State is there to protect the lives and fight the error of terrorism. That part of the government never could have went on ice, or lives would be at risk.
If you want to say, the experiment of massive government has obviously failed
US government is still massive and the bureaucracy heavy.
If someone just came along and funded the national parks and TSA fully how many would notice the shutdown was ongoing?
Or people could be encouraged and educated to practice some personal responsibility and take away all their garbage with them as they exist national parks..in the perfect world. TSA issues can't be solved with privatization alone. Any private security company would have to be authorized to perform the searches and enforcement actions that are normally only allowed to the police. Also their hiring practices and training will end up under scrutiny as soon as something undesirable happens. A good company culture and oversight would be still needed.
Do you have a source for this? I have not heard of such a thing.
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Note, though, that budget bills originate in the House, and Pelosi has not allowed a vote on a FY2019 budget. This is Pelosi's shutdown, not Trumps. He blusters, he threatens, whatever. Pelosi has the first move and she's stonewalling.
Incorrect, Anonymous Coward.
The House has passed numerous budgets. The Speaker of the Senate, Mitch McConnell, refuses to take any of them to the floor of the senate.
McConnell has the next move and he's stonewalling.
Except that the Senate DID pass those 7, as one bill in the last session. Unanimously no less.
The senate considered it a "proper budget", until partisanship took hold.
Of course that's how it works. 80% of the US government isn't shut down. The military, HHS, VA, Education Department, etc. are all full funded. So is the USPS, Social Security and Medicare (although that's because of alternate funding.)
There's no "pass a budget" item. It's a "fund X bill". Sometimes X is the whole governments. Sometimes, it's a special allotment to establish a specific bridge or project.
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So nothing has changed.
The House has passed numerous budgets. The Speaker of the Senate, Mitch McConnell,
There is no "Speaker of the Senate". There is a President of the Senate, who is the Vice President of the US, Mike Pence. There is a majority leader, who is Mitch McConnell.
an entire post as "Troll"?
No, trump said fund the wall or shut down the government.
So it's one side wanting a wall or burn the country. That's their only two bargaining positions. Give me what I want or I will cry like a child. Trump had 2 years of partisanship to get this passed. He chose to wait until the dems took over.
People who kill other people tend to be more impulsive than they are intelligent. The number of people who are aware that they can access this data, intelligent enough to be able to gather and put it to use, but also willing to kill someone is incredibly small.
Stalker apps to spy on significant others have been installed on MILLIONS of devices. The universe of deranged control freaks and jealous spouses are well aware of what's available to them.
It's normal people who lack this knowledge and think you need to have a functioning brain to use tools like this that are the problem.
It's not that this can't happen, it's just a lot less likely. If we're interested in preventing spousal murders (or just violence in general) there are plenty of other things that we should be far more worried about.
What else should the FCC be far more worried about in this area? Spectrum policy? Decency standards?
The sad thing is that something like this would get sensationalized and focus and effort that could be better spent elsewhere for better overall outcomes will instead be pointlessly squandered.
FFS what effort? How much does it cost to levy fines against companies for breaking existing regulations? Fuck just hire me... I'll do it for free if I get to keep the proceeds.
Perhaps Trump actually wants to shut down the U.S. Federal government. The wall is simply an excuse. If the government is shut down, perhaps the Muller probe will run out of funds.
Instead of playing his game, it is time for democrats and republicans from both the house and senate to strongly consider the 25th amendment.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
In 2018, the House, under the Republicans, passed several budget bills as well.
Those bills were filibustered by the Senate Democrats.
There are two to blame for this shutdown.
Meanwhile, your party and president is responsible for the biggest shutdown ever in the US government history. All over a fucking monitment wall. Keep pointing fingers. You fags will be gone in 2020.
That's a bet, we are fed up with your lies.
Yet we are the enemies. LUL.
your party and president is responsible for the biggest shutdown ever
Nancy Pelosi is not my president.
Congress should be doing one thing, and one thing only: working to end the shutdown. Those 800,000 employees need their paychecks to live their lives. Even if Congress wants to keep a "stop work" in place to show the President who's boss, the employees should not suffer.
Imagine if GM or Walmart decided not to pay their employees because the CEO & BOD were having a spat.
It's an utter embarrassment that the federal government isn't paying its employees.
We know where you are, Ajit.
And that's why we don't have Secret Service for the President. Because we're all about not worrying about fandom, anti-fandom, or jealous ex-husbands. Also, restraining orders aren't a thing, stalkers don't exist, and it's all just peaches and rainbows.
You mean like Secret Service for Spouses? Well, 14% of homicides in the US in 2007 were caused by intimate partner violence. That doesn't include, AFAIK, violence against "the other man/woman". According to a 2010 CDC Survey, 1 in 6 women are stalked in their lifetime (vs 1 in 19 for men). It's unclear what the overlap is between those two numbers are, but I imagine a larger percentage of homicides occur while still with said intimate partner and not after the relationship ends. So, what would be your recommendation for those 14% who would be killed? What's your master plan for the other 86% killed mostly unrelated to domestic violence?
PS - I really do wonder where your information comes that most murders are hot blooded, not cold blooded. Considering what little information I just found, it'd seem the opposite would be very true. If anything, kidnapping and/or murdering high value targets (like Ajit Pai and family) would be much more of a worry than some ex-lover. The sort of people willing to do such things are "intelligent" enough if greed is involved. Being able to pick from many, many targets casts a very wide net and possibly very easy access. It makes me wonder if you've really thought this through.
I have to admit, if somebody jumped through the financial hoops, got Pai's location and murdered him, I wouldn't be terribly upset. In fact, I'd probably have a good laugh and a fun beer discussion with friends about whether such an event would actually constitute irony, or merely incongruous coincidence.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Good job proving his point. A mild annoyance of replying is not "consequences" and I bet there will never be anything else.
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The legislature is given pretty much carte-blanche with respect to what it can pass in terms of laws, at least in the form they take. The constitution just says laws are passed in this way, not laws must take the form of a comprehensive thing.
Basically, if you can get the house and senate to agree to it, get the president to sign off (or ignore it, or get the house and senate to override a veto) and it isn't forbidden by the constitution (or is specifically allowed by the constitution, depending on your interpretation), it is all good.
There's lots of methodical, well thought out murders out there. The folks who planned 9/11 seemed pretty well prepared. And probability won't matter if somebody's dead.
The point is Pai is delaying action on this hoping it'll blow over and the ISPs can keep right on doing it. Again, he's sided with them on absolutely everything. Even the rural expansions are something they want since they're financed by fees paid by city subscribers and are basically free money for the ISPs & telcos.
Odds are Pai will eventually be forced to act, but it'll be somebody from Congress who makes him, not anything he did of his own accord. And I know it's not popular to say this, but it'll probably be a Democrat (unless Rand Paul gets involved).
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Refusing to respond means they can send the Capitol police to arrest him, and drag him to the hearing.
Just do it.
If he refuses to speak,, lock him up until he does.
It's within the power of Congress.
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Where's the news?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Nah, can't possibly be politically biased...
FTFY
"until Oragaturd took hold"
Bringing it back to the OP, remember who put Ajit Pai on the FCC Board of Commissioners in the first place: Barack Hussein Obama II.
That's essentially what he said. By law, the unfunded agencies, including the FCC, can only have staff do things for which waiting until next week would be "a threat to the safety of human life or property". Preparing a report for this Congresscritter is "not a threat to the safety of human life or property", he said, and therefore he can't legally have staff doing that when Congress hasn't authorized paying any staff.
Are you trying to claim that a funding bill requires a supermajority in the Senate? That would be news to - well, just about everyone.
No, it would be the facts.
The whole reason the original House bill could not be passed was that it required 60 votes.
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No. That just sets a new standard that if the President refuses to sign a CR then eventually they will get their way.
Note that I did not say "pass the wall" from the standpoint of saying if that is good or bad.
I said that from the standpoint of tactics only - Trump is not going to back down, and is actually helped the longer the shutdown goes on.
So the only way to move forward is to fund the wall to some degree (Trump would be willing to bargain downward somewhat).
How does the sound of the government being shut down for an entire year sound? Because I can easily see that being the case. This with the full support of almost all Trump's base that sees a lot of benefit of the government cracking up and many employees leaving government as the shutdown wears on... that would truly be some fundamental change that many Trump voters were after, done the hard way.
It's not like I don't have some connection to this and these are all just abstract thoughts, my wife works in the federal government and would probably be affected. So believe me when I say, I am just reporting what I think will happen, not what I would prefer happen.
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People who kill other people tend to be more impulsive than they are intelligent.
When dealing with a dozen people up to maybe a thousand you can rely on this tendency and consider deviations to be extraordinary.
With a population of millions you know that there are going to be a fair amount of people that are both intelligent and capable of committing murder. (Hans Reiser comes to mind.)
So, I would say the "sooner or later" applies.
We can safely say that it is going to happen when we are dealing with such a large number of affected people.
...when repugs are in charge. Remember that when you vote.