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Ajit Pai Gives Carriers Free Pass on Privacy Violations During FCC Shutdown (arstechnica.com)

Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai refused to brief a Congressional committee Monday about mobile carriers' ability to share their subscribers' location data with third parties. From a report: House Commerce Committee Chairman Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-N.J.) asked Pai for an "emergency briefing" to explain why the FCC "has yet to end wireless carriers' unauthorized disclosure of consumers' real-time location data," and for an update on "what actions the FCC has taken to address this issue to date." Pai's FCC could take action, despite the 2017 repeal of the commission's broadband privacy rules. Phone carriers are legally required to protect "Customer Proprietary Network Information [CPNI]," and the FCC's definition of CPNI includes location data.

[...] Pai did not agree with Pallone, it turns out. "Today, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai refused to brief Energy and Commerce Committee staff on the real-time tracking of cell phone location[s]," Pallone said in a statement yesterday. "In a phone conversation today, his staff asserted that these egregious actions are not a threat to the safety of human life or property that the FCC will address during the Trump shutdown."

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  1. How is this false? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the carriers are doing is horrible, no doubt. They should be stopped from selling location data to anyone, full stop.

    But it's also not wrong to say - this is not threat to life. It's something that should be addressed when the government is re-opened.

    If you are really really keen on this moving forward, add to the support to fund the wall already authorized by previous government bills, and move on.

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    1. Re:How is this false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But it's also not wrong to say - this is not threat to life. It's something that should be addressed when the government is re-opened.

      It very well could be a threat to life. A cost of $300 is small change for a stalker or killer to track someone.

    2. Re:How is this false? by ZoomieDood · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, perhaps it would be more apparent if someone were to track Mr. Pai's phone, and map it, and ask him if he felt threatened by it's disclosure of his travel patterns, or if the location of his whereabouts might indicate when his vehicle or home is empty for his property to be accessed by others who don't belong there.

      I can't help but think lobbyists or ordinary citizens might be interested in knowing whether he really IS busy in meetings elsewhere or if his staff is really just blowing people off. Because I'd love to be able to bump into him in a grocery store to share our respective points of view on various items before the commission.

      I'm also thinking of those people who have had their investment portfolios cleaned out as they were on a long flight and inaccessible to see the accounts being drained.

      Am I wrong in seeing a threat to high value targets in gaining executives' locations to those who want to kidnap them?

      Anyone? Anyone?

    3. Re:How is this false? by EndlessNameless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you are really really keen on this moving forward, add to the support to fund the wall already authorized by previous government bills, and move on.

      Screw that. Pass a bill to restart the government, then debate the wall like adults. Holding the government hostage is not acceptable.

      Plus... why wasn't this $5b funded when Republicans held both houses? Presumably, they could have worked with Trump earlier. They funded the DoD and a few other agencies through Oct 1 (start of the government's next fiscal year).

      Stupid manufactured crisis.

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    4. Re:How is this false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      trump rejected the *REPUBLICAN* budget bills late last year (ya know, when he had the fucking majority in both houses), ones that did include *some* 'wall' funding.

      now he and mcconnell (who is doing trump's dirty work, not even letting a bill get a fucking vote to pass; which would force trump to veto.. which would cause a shitstorm, even among his sheeple), and their russian puppetmaster, are holding the entire country hostage for the 'full' amount (and it's not even the 'full' amount, but rather what some estimate would be barely five percent of the final cost after it's all built.. and most of which would end up in republican "donor" pockets). never mind the fact the fucking wall should be debated and funded independently of any other appropriations and legislation, which is what the sane members of congress want.

      we do not negotiate with terrorists. trump is owned by russia. he is an enemy asset. HE IS A FUCKING TERRORIST. his allies in the senate are co-conspirators. DO NOT GIVE IN. EVER.

    5. Re:How is this false? by slack_justyb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But it's also not wrong to say - this is not threat to life. It's something that should be addressed when the government is re-opened.

      No arguments here. This totally can wait till the government is reopened.

      If you are really really keen on this moving forward, add to the support to fund the wall already

      No. That just sets a new standard that if the President refuses to sign a CR then eventually they will get their way. If we were literally talking about any other piece of legislation outside of a CR, maybe. But refusing to sign a CR (or in the Congressional sense vote for a CR) makes a person(s) look like an asshat. That applies to anyone and everyone regardless of political party.

      authorized by previous government bills

      Which if you might remember Trump was going to veto. First President I've known of who had exactly what they wanted and then threaten to veto it. Nah, he got his chance in March when the first pieces of his wall were addressed in the 2018 Omnibus spending. He shot it down, at this point he can kick rocks. The President wanted his cake and to eat it as well. I'll continue sending care packages to the local TSA agents and helping out friends who are furloughed till the 2020 election if need be. The President blew his one chance, he ought not get another. If you get three inches in anything government, you take that small bit and roll with it. The President looked at that small concession, wasn't happy it wasn't a "BIG WIN", and decided he'd pass and wait for something better. Doing that in anything government is call being a greedy fool.

    6. Re:How is this false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The President looked at that small concession, wasn't happy it wasn't a "BIG WIN", and decided he'd pass and wait for something better.

      I think it's even simpler than that.

      The Democrats won the house. So, Trump shut down the government.

    7. Re:How is this false? by slack_justyb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Perhaps you are too young to remember that the government budget isn't supposed to be a string of "continuing resolutions"

      Well into my fifties actually. As someone already pointed out, been a hot minute since we've had a comprehensive budget lock, stock, and barrel. But you're confusing the point I'm making about a CR. If you cannot at the very least sign a CR, then screw you. Yes, make a budget, make it balanced too, but should all else fail, at least agree that status quo is good enough until a compromise can be had. Not even agreeing to that is a pretty shitty attitude to have.

      Congress can overturn a veto if they have enough votes

      And that is what some are banking on, but at the moment the Senate Majority leader is preventing anything that will be vetoed from being brought to the floor. That's called favoring party over country, because it is very clear that a Republican held Senate overriding their own President would been seen as an indication that the Republican platform is not united behind their standard barer. If you're attempting to do "the right thing" (and of course that's objective, hence quotes), you tend to ignore how something will look party-wise and just go ahead and do it. Typically, the party can play an override without too many ramifications, but the current President has played the RINO card a lot. Additionally, those who shunned him and lost their bid, the President has made too much of a big deal about that. So the President has, by his own hand, amped the loyalty aspect way too much. So no matter how you slice it, with how it is within the Republican party at the moment, any override by the Senate would be seen as a fracture in the Republican platform and that would make a handy plank in the Democrats platform. Whatever the "right thing" is defined as aside, the Senate overriding the President at this point would create a schism between hard-core Trump supporters and traditional Republicans.

      If Congress has the will, they could end this

      I feel there is enough moderate Republicans that if they wanted to they would but I'm sure the Whip is keeping folks toeing the line. If there is no break in the Democrat stance, it will only be when enough hurt befalls the moderate Republicans to out power the Whips influence, will there be any breakthrough.

      It is quite common, in fact a standard practice these days, for Congress to put multiple things in a single bill

      Yeah, that's what a comprehensive budget is for.

      some of which they want but the President doesn't

      Yeah, because we don't live in a Monarchy. No single person gets what they want, it's kind of a collective, you get yours and I get mine kind of deal.

      expecting the President to sign the whole thing so he gets the things he wants

      Yeah that's called compromise. The President get's the start of his wall. The Democrats would have gotten what they needed for DACA.

      You must be very young indeed not to have seen this before Trump

      You are assuming a whole lot.

      The standard response is then to claim the President vetoed the bill because of something he himself wanted, when the truth is he vetoed it because of all the extra crap that Congress stuffed into it

      Well typically, what happens is the President indicates to his party within Congress what line items they would like to see changed. A whole lot of debating goes on and eventually line items before it even gets out of committee are changed etc. If a President vetos a budget because of some random line item, then the President has been asleep at the wheel here. There are several points during the process for the President to speak up and have his/her party object, table motion, refer to committee, filibuster, etc, etc, etc... any particular line item. That's why Congress ki

    8. Re:How is this false? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      In the past when this happened the senators would come to a compromise, like rational adults. Compromise is good, it prevents big radical ideas from being implemented just because of a small majority. It maintains stability. But today compromise has become a bad word. The true believer partisans will curse and scream when the opposite side takes any action unilaterally but when their side is in power they demand fast action without any consultation with the opponents.

      In the grand experiment of American democracy, take notes because we're seeing the roots of a systemic failure start to appear. And what is the cause of this; does the system promote intransigent partisanship by rewarding those who campaign on negativity?

    9. Re:How is this false? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Congress has the will, they could end this.

      And don't forget that if the president has the will, he could end this too. When there is an impasse the fault never lies solely with one side.

  2. America is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was a nice run but it's time to admit the experiment our founders put in motion all those years ago has failed. Undone by ignorance, complacency, and unfettered capitalism.

    It was nice while it lasted. It's all over but the shouting now.

    1. Re:America is dead by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Not sure what you guys are talking about. America is pretty awesome.

    2. Re:America is dead by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      Shut up you fucking Russian. Once this country implodes into civil war, the money for your job dries up too. Consider that.

  3. This is BAU for Pai by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    he sides with the corporation over consumers almost every single time (he did some stuff for rural communities that you can chalk up to his party needing that voting block).

    We all know this by now. The question I keep asking is, is this going to change how anybody votes in 2020? So far I haven't got a single answer of "yes". As such, I would expect him to continue this behavior since it seems to be working out just fine for him.

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  4. Re:Because Republicans are Bad!!! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Informative

    Day one, they passed a set of micro-budgets. 7 of them. So the Senate could start turning on some parts of the federal government while still letting a shutdown affect one department (for face saving). The Senate never voted on them.

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  5. Re:Um... they're selling to anyone with a Credit C by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Informative

    People who kill other people tend to be more impulsive than they are intelligent. The number of people who are aware that they can access this data, intelligent enough to be able to gather and put it to use, but also willing to kill someone is incredibly small.

    It's not that this can't happen, it's just a lot less likely. If we're interested in preventing spousal murders (or just violence in general) there are plenty of other things that we should be far more worried about. The sad thing is that something like this would get sensationalized and focus and effort that could be better spent elsewhere for better overall outcomes will instead be pointlessly squandered.

  6. Re:Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by sdinfoserv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bullshit. 2 months ago the GOP had the House , Senate and Oval Office - yet couldn't get a budget done. The GOP refused to give Lord Trumpkin his silly wall. He was ready to sign a budget deal without the wall till FoxNews made fun of him and he threw a tantrum... You like having a Commander if Chief taking marching orders from a propaganda organization? It doesn't bother you he idols are Putin and Kim Jong-un
    And, BTW, this shutdown is the longest in history, so there's comparison with Obama or anyone else.
    Trump is a spoiled brat petulant child in the White House.
    People are sick and tired of politicians owned by corporations raiding the Treasury for corporate benefit... In 2018 the GOP increased the deficit by $1.06T dollars in massive corporate tax cut under the guise of "it would spur the economy"... Corporations took their new found windfall and used it on record setting stock buy backs... a $1T dollars worth (seen that number before?)
    We have the GOP who continually scream about the deficit when there's a Democrat in charge, instantly toll armloads of payola on corporate oligarchy as soon as they get the chance.

  7. Re:Because Republicans are Bad!!! by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note, though, that budget bills originate in the House, and Pelosi has not allowed a vote on a FY2019 budget. This is Pelosi's shutdown, not Trumps. He blusters, he threatens, whatever. Pelosi has the first move and she's stonewalling.

    Incorrect, Anonymous Coward.

    The House has passed numerous budgets. The Speaker of the Senate, Mitch McConnell, refuses to take any of them to the floor of the senate.

    McConnell has the next move and he's stonewalling.

  8. Re:Because Republicans are Bad!!! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    Of course that's how it works. 80% of the US government isn't shut down. The military, HHS, VA, Education Department, etc. are all full funded. So is the USPS, Social Security and Medicare (although that's because of alternate funding.)

    There's no "pass a budget" item. It's a "fund X bill". Sometimes X is the whole governments. Sometimes, it's a special allotment to establish a specific bridge or project.

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  9. How Do I Moderate by BECoole · · Score: 2

    an entire post as "Troll"?

  10. Re:you mean "illegally make his staff work unpaid" by jittles · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The house did pass a bill. It was never taken up for a vote with the senate. As far as the emergency nature of this, it does seem like this has immediate life threatening implications as the Streisand effect of this capability will likely lead to an ex boyfriend/girlfriend/whomever finding where someone is hiding and assaulting them.

    Everyone time someone says that the meta data the government collects isn’t that important or, in this case, that allowing anyone to get real time location info on anyone else in the nation isn’t that important, I wish they would give me carte blanche to prove to them that it is not the case. Ajit had to hire a bunch of security guards because nobody likes him (outside of corporate board rooms). I would love to show him how dangerous this info is. But of course, doing something like that is illegal and I would get prosecuted for it without it actually fixing anything. I wish he’d just put his money where his mouth is and let someone prove him wrong.

  11. You could just jail Pai by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Refusing to respond means they can send the Capitol police to arrest him, and drag him to the hearing.

    Just do it.

    If he refuses to speak,, lock him up until he does.

    It's within the power of Congress.

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  12. Color me surprised by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Whore lets John get his way while the cops are in the donut shop.

    Where's the news?

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  13. Re:Too bad you can't stay on topic by Rockoon · · Score: 2

    Found the treasonous Republican faggot of no value or consequence!

    Logic: Its treason to want to stop the exploitation of desperate minorities by rich liberals in California.

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  14. That's what he said, but staff by raymorris · · Score: 2

    That's essentially what he said. By law, the unfunded agencies, including the FCC, can only have staff do things for which waiting until next week would be "a threat to the safety of human life or property". Preparing a report for this Congresscritter is "not a threat to the safety of human life or property", he said, and therefore he can't legally have staff doing that when Congress hasn't authorized paying any staff.

  15. Umm, actually it does... 60 votes required. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Are you trying to claim that a funding bill requires a supermajority in the Senate? That would be news to - well, just about everyone.

    No, it would be the facts.

    The whole reason the original House bill could not be passed was that it required 60 votes.

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  16. Re:Merely stating the ground truth here by slack_justyb · · Score: 2

    Note that I did not say "pass the wall" from the standpoint of saying if that is good or bad

    Sorry if it came off that way, neither am I pointing to some moral dilemma that steams from the wall. I'm just saying however that if Congress does cave in to the $5.7B figure, that emboldens the administration and does set a new bar for brinkmanship in government shutdowns. It will indicate that 26-days (or how ever long this shutdown does go on for) is a fine time frame for a shutdown. Congress has every motive to ensure that long shutdowns equate to diminished returns on demands. If they do not covey that, it will signal that long shutdowns only equate to loss GDP and potential loss of government employees, but political agenda and hard line stance goes with zero punitive repercussions. I don't think Congress and more especially the House wants to convey to the President now or in the future, that long term shutdowns equate to eventually getting what you want. However, there is the chance that those in the House currently or to short sighted to see that, in that case, there is a good chance that the President might very well get what he wants. I've seen dumber things play out like the nuclear option on judges, but not much.

    I said that from the standpoint of tactics only - Trump is not going to back down, and is actually helped the longer the shutdown goes on

    Eeehh... That's a pretty subjective point. It does indeed help those who would like to see Federal workers replaced with contract help that the Trump base would like to see. However, I wouldn't pin that on helping the process of the wall. Trump's administration was bleeding workers before the shutdown, so literally Trump just simply being in office helps that, the shutdown is just extrapolating that process onto a larger domain. However, government workers leaving isn't a zero sum thing. That's something folks tend to remember and government employees getting a sour mood may opt to disrupt Trump strong supporters in the Republican party to drive a new schism in the Republican party to oust the hard liners. But that's speculating. Point being, while drive government employees out is indeed something that helps short term in the Trump base, leaving government employees tend to have more ramifications for political change within a party. I think the long position is that Trump's government will have lasting effects within the Republican party itself. The Democrats are just going to be more embolden in their stance so, pretty much a day that ends with "Y".

    So the only way to move forward is to fund the wall to some degree (Trump would be willing to bargain downward somewhat)

    I totally do not see that happening. I just don't see it. Trump is incredibly firm at the $5.7B figure and the $5.7B figure is a non-starter for the House. The only way I see this moving forward is either a veto override (which I put slim to none) or a State of Emergency (which I think has the higher chance here). I'm pretty sure that Democrats will be more than happy to see Trump declare a state of emergency because that will give them the options to wipe hands clean of the matter, indicate that it appears the President will build the wall himself, fund the military, and then when Trump signs a general appropriations military funding bill, promptly sue him and his plan to build a wall with the military and lock it in the court system until the heat death of the universe. It also has the upshot of being something to sling around in 2020 with "Dictator Trump" building walls and giving Congress and the checks and balance system a middle finger. I'm pretty sure that advisors are indicating to the President to only pull the trigger on the state of emergency lightly, because oh boy will that trigger more litigation than you can shake a stick at. But again, that said, veto override or state of emergency are the only two ways I see out of this before the election.

  17. Re:Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    The Reichwing blocked every single thing Obama did in his last 1-1/2 years. TurtleMan McConnell refused to even do his job and put a SCOTUS replacement on the floor.