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Ajit Pai Gives Carriers Free Pass on Privacy Violations During FCC Shutdown (arstechnica.com)

Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai refused to brief a Congressional committee Monday about mobile carriers' ability to share their subscribers' location data with third parties. From a report: House Commerce Committee Chairman Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-N.J.) asked Pai for an "emergency briefing" to explain why the FCC "has yet to end wireless carriers' unauthorized disclosure of consumers' real-time location data," and for an update on "what actions the FCC has taken to address this issue to date." Pai's FCC could take action, despite the 2017 repeal of the commission's broadband privacy rules. Phone carriers are legally required to protect "Customer Proprietary Network Information [CPNI]," and the FCC's definition of CPNI includes location data.

[...] Pai did not agree with Pallone, it turns out. "Today, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai refused to brief Energy and Commerce Committee staff on the real-time tracking of cell phone location[s]," Pallone said in a statement yesterday. "In a phone conversation today, his staff asserted that these egregious actions are not a threat to the safety of human life or property that the FCC will address during the Trump shutdown."

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  1. How is this false? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the carriers are doing is horrible, no doubt. They should be stopped from selling location data to anyone, full stop.

    But it's also not wrong to say - this is not threat to life. It's something that should be addressed when the government is re-opened.

    If you are really really keen on this moving forward, add to the support to fund the wall already authorized by previous government bills, and move on.

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    1. Re:How is this false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But it's also not wrong to say - this is not threat to life. It's something that should be addressed when the government is re-opened.

      It very well could be a threat to life. A cost of $300 is small change for a stalker or killer to track someone.

    2. Re:How is this false? by ZoomieDood · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, perhaps it would be more apparent if someone were to track Mr. Pai's phone, and map it, and ask him if he felt threatened by it's disclosure of his travel patterns, or if the location of his whereabouts might indicate when his vehicle or home is empty for his property to be accessed by others who don't belong there.

      I can't help but think lobbyists or ordinary citizens might be interested in knowing whether he really IS busy in meetings elsewhere or if his staff is really just blowing people off. Because I'd love to be able to bump into him in a grocery store to share our respective points of view on various items before the commission.

      I'm also thinking of those people who have had their investment portfolios cleaned out as they were on a long flight and inaccessible to see the accounts being drained.

      Am I wrong in seeing a threat to high value targets in gaining executives' locations to those who want to kidnap them?

      Anyone? Anyone?

    3. Re:How is this false? by EndlessNameless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you are really really keen on this moving forward, add to the support to fund the wall already authorized by previous government bills, and move on.

      Screw that. Pass a bill to restart the government, then debate the wall like adults. Holding the government hostage is not acceptable.

      Plus... why wasn't this $5b funded when Republicans held both houses? Presumably, they could have worked with Trump earlier. They funded the DoD and a few other agencies through Oct 1 (start of the government's next fiscal year).

      Stupid manufactured crisis.

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    4. Re:How is this false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      trump rejected the *REPUBLICAN* budget bills late last year (ya know, when he had the fucking majority in both houses), ones that did include *some* 'wall' funding.

      now he and mcconnell (who is doing trump's dirty work, not even letting a bill get a fucking vote to pass; which would force trump to veto.. which would cause a shitstorm, even among his sheeple), and their russian puppetmaster, are holding the entire country hostage for the 'full' amount (and it's not even the 'full' amount, but rather what some estimate would be barely five percent of the final cost after it's all built.. and most of which would end up in republican "donor" pockets). never mind the fact the fucking wall should be debated and funded independently of any other appropriations and legislation, which is what the sane members of congress want.

      we do not negotiate with terrorists. trump is owned by russia. he is an enemy asset. HE IS A FUCKING TERRORIST. his allies in the senate are co-conspirators. DO NOT GIVE IN. EVER.

    5. Re:How is this false? by slack_justyb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But it's also not wrong to say - this is not threat to life. It's something that should be addressed when the government is re-opened.

      No arguments here. This totally can wait till the government is reopened.

      If you are really really keen on this moving forward, add to the support to fund the wall already

      No. That just sets a new standard that if the President refuses to sign a CR then eventually they will get their way. If we were literally talking about any other piece of legislation outside of a CR, maybe. But refusing to sign a CR (or in the Congressional sense vote for a CR) makes a person(s) look like an asshat. That applies to anyone and everyone regardless of political party.

      authorized by previous government bills

      Which if you might remember Trump was going to veto. First President I've known of who had exactly what they wanted and then threaten to veto it. Nah, he got his chance in March when the first pieces of his wall were addressed in the 2018 Omnibus spending. He shot it down, at this point he can kick rocks. The President wanted his cake and to eat it as well. I'll continue sending care packages to the local TSA agents and helping out friends who are furloughed till the 2020 election if need be. The President blew his one chance, he ought not get another. If you get three inches in anything government, you take that small bit and roll with it. The President looked at that small concession, wasn't happy it wasn't a "BIG WIN", and decided he'd pass and wait for something better. Doing that in anything government is call being a greedy fool.

    6. Re:How is this false? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      But it's also not wrong to say - this is not threat to life. It's something that should be addressed when the government is re-opened.

      Given the insane numbers of restraining orders issued in this country and the thousand women actually killed each year by their husbands alone it is easy to draw the opposite conclusion.

      Where is my sandwich? Where did that bitch run off to? I swear I'm going to cut her.

      (Gets location data from shady broker)

      Oh she's at her sisters.

      News at 10: Two sisters killed by deranged husband.

    7. Re:How is this false? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      No. That just sets a new standard that if the President refuses to sign a CR then eventually they will get their way.

      Perhaps you are too young to remember that the government budget isn't supposed to be a string of "continuing resolutions", but instead a real budget with real plans and real numbers.

      And maybe we should remember that "failing to sign a bill" is called a "pocket veto", and Congress can overturn a veto if they have enough votes.

      If Congress has the will, they could end this. Not today, but they have the power.

      Which if you might remember Trump was going to veto. First President I've known of who had exactly what they wanted and then threaten to veto it.

      As if every bill passed by Congress contained only one thing and dealt with only one issue. It is quite common, in fact a standard practice these days, for Congress to put multiple things in a single bill, some of which they want but the President doesn't, expecting the President to sign the whole thing so he gets the things he wants. You must be very young indeed not to have seen this before Trump.

      But sometimes this backfires on Congress when the President stands up to them and vetoes the bill. The standard response is then to claim the President vetoed the bill because of something he himself wanted, when the truth is he vetoed it because of all the extra crap that Congress stuffed into it.

      The solution to this is called "line item veto", where the President can veto certain things in a bill while keeping the rest. This is a HIGHLY partisan option, however, and one of the places where reasonable people realize that giving one President that option when they like the guy means the guys they don't like also have that option. The version that we did have in the US was ruled unconstitutional and a legal replacement has yet to be enacted.

      in the 2018 Omnibus spending

      The word "omnibus" is a dead giveaway that the bill was a "lump everything into one bill and hope it gets signed" attempt. You blame the current President for not signing the lumped together concoctions, why not blame Congress for lumping everything together?

    8. Re:How is this false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The President looked at that small concession, wasn't happy it wasn't a "BIG WIN", and decided he'd pass and wait for something better.

      I think it's even simpler than that.

      The Democrats won the house. So, Trump shut down the government.

    9. Re:How is this false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or, the USA could save a billion or two and PAY Mexico to build the wall...

    10. Re:How is this false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, We didn't.

      Put the blame where it belongs: The greedy assholes and powermongers in Washington.

      They've done and continue to do every thing they can to to keep an ever tightening grip on their power.

      Funneling money to political parties? Check.
      Delegitimizing political opinions of the constituency? Check.
      Delegitimizing the media? Check.
      Election fraud? Check.
      Corrupting the judicial system? Check.
      Diluting the power of the voters? Check.
      Revoking voting rights of individual groups? Check.
      Limiting access to the polls? Check.
      Declaring entire swaths of voter registrations invalid? Check.
      Passing legislation for the sole purpose of denying choice to the voters? Check.
      Outright ignoring the results of ballot measures? Check.
      Manufacturing crisis to distract voters from real issues? Check.
      Outright disrespecting voters? Check.
      Preventing popular candidates from getting past their primaries by pulling strings? Check.
      Handicapping themselves to create excuses for why popular legislation cannot be passed? Check.
      Blaming everyone except themselves for the dysfunction in government? Check.

      We've seen all of this and more in the last decade. None of this is caused by voters. It's caused by the assholes in Washington. Stop blaming the victims for the state of things. They wanted the choice of leadership at the polls, and in some cases successfully produced candidates. What they actually got was a turd sandwich and a douche bag.

    11. Re:How is this false? by slack_justyb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Perhaps you are too young to remember that the government budget isn't supposed to be a string of "continuing resolutions"

      Well into my fifties actually. As someone already pointed out, been a hot minute since we've had a comprehensive budget lock, stock, and barrel. But you're confusing the point I'm making about a CR. If you cannot at the very least sign a CR, then screw you. Yes, make a budget, make it balanced too, but should all else fail, at least agree that status quo is good enough until a compromise can be had. Not even agreeing to that is a pretty shitty attitude to have.

      Congress can overturn a veto if they have enough votes

      And that is what some are banking on, but at the moment the Senate Majority leader is preventing anything that will be vetoed from being brought to the floor. That's called favoring party over country, because it is very clear that a Republican held Senate overriding their own President would been seen as an indication that the Republican platform is not united behind their standard barer. If you're attempting to do "the right thing" (and of course that's objective, hence quotes), you tend to ignore how something will look party-wise and just go ahead and do it. Typically, the party can play an override without too many ramifications, but the current President has played the RINO card a lot. Additionally, those who shunned him and lost their bid, the President has made too much of a big deal about that. So the President has, by his own hand, amped the loyalty aspect way too much. So no matter how you slice it, with how it is within the Republican party at the moment, any override by the Senate would be seen as a fracture in the Republican platform and that would make a handy plank in the Democrats platform. Whatever the "right thing" is defined as aside, the Senate overriding the President at this point would create a schism between hard-core Trump supporters and traditional Republicans.

      If Congress has the will, they could end this

      I feel there is enough moderate Republicans that if they wanted to they would but I'm sure the Whip is keeping folks toeing the line. If there is no break in the Democrat stance, it will only be when enough hurt befalls the moderate Republicans to out power the Whips influence, will there be any breakthrough.

      It is quite common, in fact a standard practice these days, for Congress to put multiple things in a single bill

      Yeah, that's what a comprehensive budget is for.

      some of which they want but the President doesn't

      Yeah, because we don't live in a Monarchy. No single person gets what they want, it's kind of a collective, you get yours and I get mine kind of deal.

      expecting the President to sign the whole thing so he gets the things he wants

      Yeah that's called compromise. The President get's the start of his wall. The Democrats would have gotten what they needed for DACA.

      You must be very young indeed not to have seen this before Trump

      You are assuming a whole lot.

      The standard response is then to claim the President vetoed the bill because of something he himself wanted, when the truth is he vetoed it because of all the extra crap that Congress stuffed into it

      Well typically, what happens is the President indicates to his party within Congress what line items they would like to see changed. A whole lot of debating goes on and eventually line items before it even gets out of committee are changed etc. If a President vetos a budget because of some random line item, then the President has been asleep at the wheel here. There are several points during the process for the President to speak up and have his/her party object, table motion, refer to committee, filibuster, etc, etc, etc... any particular line item. That's why Congress ki

    12. Re: How is this false? by BadJasper · · Score: 1

      'once TRUMP impeached and the rest of trial begin' Keep dreaming.

    13. Re:How is this false? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      In the past when this happened the senators would come to a compromise, like rational adults. Compromise is good, it prevents big radical ideas from being implemented just because of a small majority. It maintains stability. But today compromise has become a bad word. The true believer partisans will curse and scream when the opposite side takes any action unilaterally but when their side is in power they demand fast action without any consultation with the opponents.

      In the grand experiment of American democracy, take notes because we're seeing the roots of a systemic failure start to appear. And what is the cause of this; does the system promote intransigent partisanship by rewarding those who campaign on negativity?

    14. Re:How is this false? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Congress has the will, they could end this.

      And don't forget that if the president has the will, he could end this too. When there is an impasse the fault never lies solely with one side.

    15. Re:How is this false? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I thought Russia was fighting the terrorists. Hey propagandist when ever you mod up anonymous you waste your mod, if you work for the government that post is an electoral crime, so be very, very careful. Do not make political posts or mods on the government dime, that is a criminal act, electoral fraud, don't you know. Governments are not allowed to use tax payer funds for electioneering purposes either for or against.

      Besides seppos rolled over decades ago and the 1% have been screwing them over ever since, the political theatre, so amusing, tax cuts for the rich and tarrifs for the poor (basically Wallmart taxes), all the screaming and shouting an illusion, a lie, to hide the government deep state and corporate shadow government, note this is the exact some rubbish paraded about during Uncle Tom Obamas reign as cover for making the rich richer and the poor poorer, exact same political party just with different names and different political camouflage all pumped up by corporate main stream media.

      You know a record is kept of mods and all those modders should lose their mod privileges, don't worry they will sign up again under other identities, it's what they are paid to do. Still should not do it on the tax payer dime though, that is criminal.

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    16. Re:How is this false? by Rhipf · · Score: 1

      [Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannitty, Fox and Friends, etc.] looked at that small concession, [weren't] happy it wasn't a "BIG WIN", and [Trump] decided he'd pass and wait for something better.

      Sorry had to fix that for you. ;-)

      The president was fine with the previous Republican bill until his friends at Fox News told him it was a bad deal. Why should he listen to the public or his advisors when he can just turn to Fox News to see what he should do?

    17. Re:How is this false? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      If you cannot at the very least sign a CR, then screw you.

      So then you think the Congress can put whatever they want into, and leave out things that they've already approved, for a CR and the President is just supposed to rubber stamp it? Is that what you think the President's authority is limited to? Shame shame.

      It is quite common, in fact a standard practice these days, for Congress to put multiple things in a single bill

      Yeah, that's what a comprehensive budget is for.

      Nice way to pull a quote out of context to help your straw man. That quote was referring NOT to a "comprehensive budget", but to the common practice of Congress stuffing lots of unrelated things into a normal bill, hiding behind something the President has asked for, and then claiming the President was vetoing the bill because it contained what he asked for, when the truth is that it was vetoed because of the things he did not.

      and a legal replacement has yet to be enacted

      By which you mean a Constitutional Amendment is needed.

      No, that is not what I mean. Because you've now started putting words in my mouth, you can go debate all by yourself. You might even win that way, although I have my doubts.

    18. Re:How is this false? by slack_justyb · · Score: 1

      So then you think the Congress can put whatever they want into, and leave out things that they've already approved, for a CR

      One, name a CR where that has been done, because most CR written this side of the aughties and the decade before hand have been "status quo" resolutions with minor tweaks to reach majority. Two, you're correct in that nothing legally prevents them from doing what you've said, but that is not the CR in question that was tabled by the Senate recently. Three, even if they did do that, that's the House's prerogative. They hold the purse of the nation per Article one. While I'm not advocating rubber stamps from the President, what I am advocating is that if a CR presents to the President that has passed both chambers, then there was plenty of time before hand for the President to act on the matter. Vetoing a CR is either lazy, dumb, or being an asshat take your pick. There's tons of time for a President to hammer out a budget before we even get to the point of a veto CR. The current President had two years, two flipping years to build a budget before we even got to CR time. So again, I'm not advocating rubber stamps, but c'mon, the Administration isn't even attempting compromise on agreeing that our government should continue to run status quo. And in more general terms, yeah I still stand by the screw you if you can't agree to continue status quo. If CRs started turning into agenda hand grenades, I might change my position on that, but as it stands, Congress isn't in the mood to start doing that as they know as soon as the tables turn the others would start doing it too and bring literally everything to a grinding halt every time someone didn't get their way. So I guess that's to take your question and flip it around, "Do you think the hand brake on the government needs to be pulled every time a budget line item isn't in agreeance with everyone involved?" I totally get what you're saying, in that if Congress is weaponizing CRs then yeah you'd like a check to that. But that's where I'm left rubbing my head here wondering what CR are you thinking about where that was the case? And I understand that's a subjective thing because some previous CRs have had to drop items from spending to get it through, and for some you might have felt that line item is near and dear to them, yeah, that can feel like a weaponized CR, but that's not how I see it. So I am trying to give you some benefit of the doubt here buddy, but I'm going to need some clarification on your end on what you are thinking.

      the common practice of Congress stuffing lots of unrelated things into a normal bill, hiding behind something the President has asked for

      Okay, my bad, I'm not trying to pull it out of context, but even still. That's how it works. You get yours and I get mine. That's compromise The President, Republicans, Democrats, Freedom Caucus, Problem Solvers Caucus, Representative from Texas, Representative from California, none of them walk away from a bill with what they wanted without also giving something to the other. As a former Governor of my state once said, "You know you've done your job well when everyone walks away with something, but nobody leaves completely happy." So yeah, fuck that idea that bills should be presented pristine. I guess you and I will just need to agree to disagree on that.

      No, that is not what I mean. Because you've now started putting words in my mouth

      I might have, but those are the obvious next words as only a Constitutional Amendment can bring back line-item veto as indicated in Clinton v. City of New York which was the case that killed Clinton's line item veto. So you might not have said it and of course that would be me stuffing words in your mouth, but that is indeed what SCOTUS said would be needed to bring back line item vetos. So you said enacted, I took that as perhaps a minor error on your part and was simply correcting you, and I take it that you felt tha

  2. Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The entire Trump Presidency is encapsulated in this : Moron shuts down the government on a tantrum-whim, consequently his "regulators" use that excuse to not do their jobs, as he obviously picked them not to.

    Get a rope.

    1. Re:Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Obama did an equal shutdown, when congress wasn't giving him funds for the ACA --- now the shoe just happens to be on the other foot.

      That's not true. ACA had been fully funded from the start and doesn't need reauthorizations. Ted Cruz shut down the government because he wanted to force Obama to "address the deficit" (not kidding) and cancel the ACA. This is exactly what Trump is doing now.

    2. Re:Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by sdinfoserv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit. 2 months ago the GOP had the House , Senate and Oval Office - yet couldn't get a budget done. The GOP refused to give Lord Trumpkin his silly wall. He was ready to sign a budget deal without the wall till FoxNews made fun of him and he threw a tantrum... You like having a Commander if Chief taking marching orders from a propaganda organization? It doesn't bother you he idols are Putin and Kim Jong-un
      And, BTW, this shutdown is the longest in history, so there's comparison with Obama or anyone else.
      Trump is a spoiled brat petulant child in the White House.
      People are sick and tired of politicians owned by corporations raiding the Treasury for corporate benefit... In 2018 the GOP increased the deficit by $1.06T dollars in massive corporate tax cut under the guise of "it would spur the economy"... Corporations took their new found windfall and used it on record setting stock buy backs... a $1T dollars worth (seen that number before?)
      We have the GOP who continually scream about the deficit when there's a Democrat in charge, instantly toll armloads of payola on corporate oligarchy as soon as they get the chance.

    3. Re:Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by penandpaper · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Budgets in the senate require 60 votes. They needed democrat support then just as they need it now.

    4. Re:Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. 2 months ago the GOP had the House , Senate and Oval Office - yet couldn't get a budget done.

      The democrats obstructed using the senate. Part of the problem is over the past two years, even when the
      republicans had a majority in the Senate they have been "playing nice" --- As in, they've held to old traditions and didn't change the rules of the Senate to
      prevent the minority party from using filibusters to obstruct business.

      Although the dems have been the ones to push the line and next time they get the majority - rewrite the rules, so
      there's no such thing as a filibuster - the fact is, 2 months ago it was Dems in the senate obstructing business.

    5. Re: Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Well, its mostly the Democrats' fault. Every member of congress has a part in it ---
      personally, I think to dissuade this behavior, the law ought to be written so that in the event of a funding deficiency -
      current congress members' pay and funding of their future benefits will be the very first things that become unfunded:
      following that, all congressional office funding and allowances will be suspended - further office supply expenses will be paid for out of pocket with no reimbursement, next suspension of government funding for congressional aides, personal secretaries, office managers, press secretaries, legislative assistants, legislative correspondents, Pages, and other employees caring for the legislators, and the legislative chambers; in that order -- they will be paid for out of pocket by the member they work for, Or be re-assigned away from congress to more critical duties during the shortfall.

      Next, the congress will be convened with mandatory attendance of all members - members of congress will be restrained to the house chambers; exiting the building is an automatic resignation from office - Security should confine members of congress to the premises, and confiscate portable communications devices such as cell phones - providing each member an opportunity to use their cell phone for 2 hours a day, with the ability to leave or communicate outside in general withdrawn until the government is no longer unfunded ---- Basic needs such as 2 Basic Meals a day and Water, Bathroom, Bedding, and Clean clothes are to be provided, but nothing luxurious.

    6. Re:Dereliction of duty in a treason adminitration by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

      The Reichwing blocked every single thing Obama did in his last 1-1/2 years. TurtleMan McConnell refused to even do his job and put a SCOTUS replacement on the floor.

  3. America is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was a nice run but it's time to admit the experiment our founders put in motion all those years ago has failed. Undone by ignorance, complacency, and unfettered capitalism.

    It was nice while it lasted. It's all over but the shouting now.

    1. Re:America is dead by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      I honestly wish I could disagree to this, but I don't see any evidence he's wrong. And I've been looking hard for it.

    2. Re:America is dead by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Not sure what you guys are talking about. America is pretty awesome.

    3. Re:America is dead by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      Shut up you fucking Russian. Once this country implodes into civil war, the money for your job dries up too. Consider that.

    4. Re:America is dead by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Not true. They pay me in rubles.

    5. Re:America is dead by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Oh crap. Anyone know how to delete posts here

    6. Re:America is dead by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Not true. They pay me in rubles.

      I need to learn how to negotiate, I'm just getting paid in signed pictures of shirtless Putin wrestling bears!

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  4. Re:Um... they're selling to anyone with a Credit C by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    It has happened already.

  5. This is BAU for Pai by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    he sides with the corporation over consumers almost every single time (he did some stuff for rural communities that you can chalk up to his party needing that voting block).

    We all know this by now. The question I keep asking is, is this going to change how anybody votes in 2020? So far I haven't got a single answer of "yes". As such, I would expect him to continue this behavior since it seems to be working out just fine for him.

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  6. Too bad you can't stay on topic by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Cheap Mexican labor is fucking carrying our economy you stupid shill.

    1. Re:Too bad you can't stay on topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or maybe business owners could exercise some of that "personal responsibility" and only hire legal workers instead of wasting taxes on a useless wall.

    2. Re:Too bad you can't stay on topic by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Found the Californian!

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    3. Re:Too bad you can't stay on topic by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Found the treasonous Republican faggot of no value or consequence!

      Logic: Its treason to want to stop the exploitation of desperate minorities by rich liberals in California.

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  7. Re:Because Republicans are Bad!!! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Informative

    Day one, they passed a set of micro-budgets. 7 of them. So the Senate could start turning on some parts of the federal government while still letting a shutdown affect one department (for face saving). The Senate never voted on them.

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  8. Links please? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying it's not impossible, but for that kind of accusation you need to provide some proof - I have not read of anything like that happening.

    The location data is not as easy to got, nor as accurate as you and many other seem to think - and here they are saying most people would be asked via text if it was OK to hand out location data.

    Again, I still don't think carriers should even be allowed to sell this data. Wouldn't that then make the perfect case to pass an actual LAW banning it - you know, the thing Congress DOES? Why should the FCC even be involved if the problem is truly serious?

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  9. Re:Um... they're selling to anyone with a Credit C by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Informative

    People who kill other people tend to be more impulsive than they are intelligent. The number of people who are aware that they can access this data, intelligent enough to be able to gather and put it to use, but also willing to kill someone is incredibly small.

    It's not that this can't happen, it's just a lot less likely. If we're interested in preventing spousal murders (or just violence in general) there are plenty of other things that we should be far more worried about. The sad thing is that something like this would get sensationalized and focus and effort that could be better spent elsewhere for better overall outcomes will instead be pointlessly squandered.

  10. Re:Mekes sense for Pai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    NORAD has their Santa Tracker. Maybe there should be an official Pai Tracker that would empower the citizens to express their measured and careful opinions on the issues to Pai personally.

  11. Re: THERE ARE ALWAYS CONSEQUENCES NAZI FAGGOT KEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    *smirk* No there won't. No one has seen any "consequences", and no one ever will.

    What are these consequences? Are they imaginary consequences? Are they the consequences of what happens to your mind from inhaling the smoke that you constantly seem to be blowing out your ass?

    Geez. Find a new unhealthy obsession and move on already. Your nazi-faggot-too-many-caps-consequences posts are ready for the nursing home.

  12. Re:you mean "illegally make his staff work unpaid" by meglon · · Score: 1
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  13. Re: Um... they're selling to anyone with a Credit by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    Wait 5 years, then check out this series: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

  14. Re:Um... they're selling to anyone with a Credit C by I+kan+Spl · · Score: 1

    Do you have a source for this? I have not heard of such a thing.

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  15. Re:you mean "illegally make his staff work unpaid" by MasseKid · · Score: 1

    The house did pass a bill. It was never taken up for a vote with the senate. As far as the emergency nature of this, it does seem like this has immediate life threatening implications as the Streisand effect of this capability will likely lead to an ex boyfriend/girlfriend/whomever finding where someone is hiding and assaulting them.

  16. Re:Because Republicans are Bad!!! by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note, though, that budget bills originate in the House, and Pelosi has not allowed a vote on a FY2019 budget. This is Pelosi's shutdown, not Trumps. He blusters, he threatens, whatever. Pelosi has the first move and she's stonewalling.

    Incorrect, Anonymous Coward.

    The House has passed numerous budgets. The Speaker of the Senate, Mitch McConnell, refuses to take any of them to the floor of the senate.

    McConnell has the next move and he's stonewalling.

  17. Re:Because Republicans are Bad!!! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    Of course that's how it works. 80% of the US government isn't shut down. The military, HHS, VA, Education Department, etc. are all full funded. So is the USPS, Social Security and Medicare (although that's because of alternate funding.)

    There's no "pass a budget" item. It's a "fund X bill". Sometimes X is the whole governments. Sometimes, it's a special allotment to establish a specific bridge or project.

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  18. Re:Because Republicans are Bad!!! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    The House has passed numerous budgets. The Speaker of the Senate, Mitch McConnell,

    There is no "Speaker of the Senate". There is a President of the Senate, who is the Vice President of the US, Mike Pence. There is a majority leader, who is Mitch McConnell.

  19. How Do I Moderate by BECoole · · Score: 2

    an entire post as "Troll"?

  20. Re:Um... they're selling to anyone with a Credit C by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    People who kill other people tend to be more impulsive than they are intelligent. The number of people who are aware that they can access this data, intelligent enough to be able to gather and put it to use, but also willing to kill someone is incredibly small.

    Stalker apps to spy on significant others have been installed on MILLIONS of devices. The universe of deranged control freaks and jealous spouses are well aware of what's available to them.

    It's normal people who lack this knowledge and think you need to have a functioning brain to use tools like this that are the problem.

    It's not that this can't happen, it's just a lot less likely. If we're interested in preventing spousal murders (or just violence in general) there are plenty of other things that we should be far more worried about.

    What else should the FCC be far more worried about in this area? Spectrum policy? Decency standards?

    The sad thing is that something like this would get sensationalized and focus and effort that could be better spent elsewhere for better overall outcomes will instead be pointlessly squandered.

    FFS what effort? How much does it cost to levy fines against companies for breaking existing regulations? Fuck just hire me... I'll do it for free if I get to keep the proceeds.

  21. Another Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perhaps Trump actually wants to shut down the U.S. Federal government. The wall is simply an excuse. If the government is shut down, perhaps the Muller probe will run out of funds.

    Instead of playing his game, it is time for democrats and republicans from both the house and senate to strongly consider the 25th amendment.

    Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    1. Re:Another Theory by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

      Get real. Congress needs to just pass a budget and then force trump to sign it with however many votes it needs to be. At this point, this is Majority Leaders fault for not bringing a bill up for a vote.

      If he would hold a vote, Trump can veto it. Then everyone needs to vote on it again and it won't matter what Trump says.

      If Congress can't get that done, what makes you possibly think they will invoke the 25th?

      To be on topic, this issue can actually wait for the government to reopen, but it definitely should be made illegal for the carriers to sell this data. Only reason the data should go to anyone is with a warrant from the government. Better would be if the carrier didn't save the data at all, but who we are kidding.

  22. Re:"AND MEXICO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your taxes have only gone down temporarily if you're poor. They'll go up to close the budget gap created by corporate tax cuts. It's disturbing how corrupt so many Americans are. They can easily be bought. The Soviets were right when they said Americans would sell you the rope to hang them with.

  23. Re:you mean "illegally make his staff work unpaid" by jittles · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The house did pass a bill. It was never taken up for a vote with the senate. As far as the emergency nature of this, it does seem like this has immediate life threatening implications as the Streisand effect of this capability will likely lead to an ex boyfriend/girlfriend/whomever finding where someone is hiding and assaulting them.

    Everyone time someone says that the meta data the government collects isn’t that important or, in this case, that allowing anyone to get real time location info on anyone else in the nation isn’t that important, I wish they would give me carte blanche to prove to them that it is not the case. Ajit had to hire a bunch of security guards because nobody likes him (outside of corporate board rooms). I would love to show him how dangerous this info is. But of course, doing something like that is illegal and I would get prosecuted for it without it actually fixing anything. I wish he’d just put his money where his mouth is and let someone prove him wrong.

  24. Ever heard of the Unibomber? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    There's lots of methodical, well thought out murders out there. The folks who planned 9/11 seemed pretty well prepared. And probability won't matter if somebody's dead.

    The point is Pai is delaying action on this hoping it'll blow over and the ISPs can keep right on doing it. Again, he's sided with them on absolutely everything. Even the rural expansions are something they want since they're financed by fees paid by city subscribers and are basically free money for the ISPs & telcos.

    Odds are Pai will eventually be forced to act, but it'll be somebody from Congress who makes him, not anything he did of his own accord. And I know it's not popular to say this, but it'll probably be a Democrat (unless Rand Paul gets involved).

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  25. You could just jail Pai by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Refusing to respond means they can send the Capitol police to arrest him, and drag him to the hearing.

    Just do it.

    If he refuses to speak,, lock him up until he does.

    It's within the power of Congress.

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  26. Color me surprised by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Whore lets John get his way while the cops are in the donut shop.

    Where's the news?

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  27. Re:you mean "illegally make his staff work unpaid" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Well, Pai should have said "I can't respond to your enquiries because I am not being paid." Or did he somehow get classified as an essential worker who's allowed to go politicking?

  28. That's what he said, but staff by raymorris · · Score: 2

    That's essentially what he said. By law, the unfunded agencies, including the FCC, can only have staff do things for which waiting until next week would be "a threat to the safety of human life or property". Preparing a report for this Congresscritter is "not a threat to the safety of human life or property", he said, and therefore he can't legally have staff doing that when Congress hasn't authorized paying any staff.

  29. Umm, actually it does... 60 votes required. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Are you trying to claim that a funding bill requires a supermajority in the Senate? That would be news to - well, just about everyone.

    No, it would be the facts.

    The whole reason the original House bill could not be passed was that it required 60 votes.

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  30. Merely stating the ground truth here by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    No. That just sets a new standard that if the President refuses to sign a CR then eventually they will get their way.

    Note that I did not say "pass the wall" from the standpoint of saying if that is good or bad.

    I said that from the standpoint of tactics only - Trump is not going to back down, and is actually helped the longer the shutdown goes on.

    So the only way to move forward is to fund the wall to some degree (Trump would be willing to bargain downward somewhat).

    How does the sound of the government being shut down for an entire year sound? Because I can easily see that being the case. This with the full support of almost all Trump's base that sees a lot of benefit of the government cracking up and many employees leaving government as the shutdown wears on... that would truly be some fundamental change that many Trump voters were after, done the hard way.

    It's not like I don't have some connection to this and these are all just abstract thoughts, my wife works in the federal government and would probably be affected. So believe me when I say, I am just reporting what I think will happen, not what I would prefer happen.

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    1. Re:Merely stating the ground truth here by slack_justyb · · Score: 2

      Note that I did not say "pass the wall" from the standpoint of saying if that is good or bad

      Sorry if it came off that way, neither am I pointing to some moral dilemma that steams from the wall. I'm just saying however that if Congress does cave in to the $5.7B figure, that emboldens the administration and does set a new bar for brinkmanship in government shutdowns. It will indicate that 26-days (or how ever long this shutdown does go on for) is a fine time frame for a shutdown. Congress has every motive to ensure that long shutdowns equate to diminished returns on demands. If they do not covey that, it will signal that long shutdowns only equate to loss GDP and potential loss of government employees, but political agenda and hard line stance goes with zero punitive repercussions. I don't think Congress and more especially the House wants to convey to the President now or in the future, that long term shutdowns equate to eventually getting what you want. However, there is the chance that those in the House currently or to short sighted to see that, in that case, there is a good chance that the President might very well get what he wants. I've seen dumber things play out like the nuclear option on judges, but not much.

      I said that from the standpoint of tactics only - Trump is not going to back down, and is actually helped the longer the shutdown goes on

      Eeehh... That's a pretty subjective point. It does indeed help those who would like to see Federal workers replaced with contract help that the Trump base would like to see. However, I wouldn't pin that on helping the process of the wall. Trump's administration was bleeding workers before the shutdown, so literally Trump just simply being in office helps that, the shutdown is just extrapolating that process onto a larger domain. However, government workers leaving isn't a zero sum thing. That's something folks tend to remember and government employees getting a sour mood may opt to disrupt Trump strong supporters in the Republican party to drive a new schism in the Republican party to oust the hard liners. But that's speculating. Point being, while drive government employees out is indeed something that helps short term in the Trump base, leaving government employees tend to have more ramifications for political change within a party. I think the long position is that Trump's government will have lasting effects within the Republican party itself. The Democrats are just going to be more embolden in their stance so, pretty much a day that ends with "Y".

      So the only way to move forward is to fund the wall to some degree (Trump would be willing to bargain downward somewhat)

      I totally do not see that happening. I just don't see it. Trump is incredibly firm at the $5.7B figure and the $5.7B figure is a non-starter for the House. The only way I see this moving forward is either a veto override (which I put slim to none) or a State of Emergency (which I think has the higher chance here). I'm pretty sure that Democrats will be more than happy to see Trump declare a state of emergency because that will give them the options to wipe hands clean of the matter, indicate that it appears the President will build the wall himself, fund the military, and then when Trump signs a general appropriations military funding bill, promptly sue him and his plan to build a wall with the military and lock it in the court system until the heat death of the universe. It also has the upshot of being something to sling around in 2020 with "Dictator Trump" building walls and giving Congress and the checks and balance system a middle finger. I'm pretty sure that advisors are indicating to the President to only pull the trigger on the state of emergency lightly, because oh boy will that trigger more litigation than you can shake a stick at. But again, that said, veto override or state of emergency are the only two ways I see out of this before the election.