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Apple Replaced 11 Million iPhone Batteries in Its $29 Program (cnet.com)

Apple's $29 battery replacement program may have seriously dinged sales of its 2018 iPhone models. From a report: The company replaced 11 million iPhone batteries under the program, John Gruber of tech-focused blog DaringFireball reported Monday, citing Apple CEO Tim Cook at an all-hands meeting. Typically, the company replaces 1 million to 2 million batteries each year, DaringFireball noted. Cook cited the program's negative impact on Apple's revenue in a Jan. 2 sales warning to investors but didn't offer specific numbers.

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  1. New battery? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Why not just chuck it in a landfill and get the next $1000+ model? The "green" tech companies would love you to do that.

    1. Re:New battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What this demonstrates is how much Apple's sales are propped up by the lack of removable batteries and presence of their battery-saving, performance-crippling software.

      To be fair the first few iterations of the iPhone were significant and worth the upgrade but really ever since the iPhone 6 there hasn't really been any reason to upgrade aside from the battery/performance issues, now that you can get a replacement battery and turn off the sneaky software "features" there's really no reason to spend money on the latest iPhone at all and people have realised that.

    2. Re:New battery? by guruevi · · Score: 2

      I think it demonstrates more that $29 is a fair price for an OEM battery replacement. You can go to various outlets in local shopping malls to get your cell phone batteries replaced, they'll also end up costing close to $30-50 and people are happy to pay for it so people that really care about it, have it done.

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    3. Re:New battery? by Revek · · Score: 1

      Least we forget the extra complication caused by ditching the headphone jack and the shitty alternatives they offer. They won't learn from their mistakes they will just stop updating the older phones and try to force the issue with their customers.

    4. Re: New battery? by pdclarry · · Score: 1

      Not anymore. The $29.00 battery deal was only for 2018.

      Correct. The 2019 price is $49.00.

    5. Re:New battery? by sd4f · · Score: 1

      They won't learn from their mistakes, because doing something like bringing back the headphone jack would mean admitting they were wrong. A prerequisite for an MBA is to never admit you are wrong. It's better to bankrupt a company than to make a reversal and in the process admit you are wrong. Reversing your position shows weak leadership, whilst bankrupting the company shows strong leadership.

    6. Re: New battery? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Was fire a big problem before glued in batteries? I seem to remember a phone with glued in batteries having to be completely withdrawn not long ago.

    7. Re:New battery? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      This leads to the following question: a laptop can boot up immediately with a dead battery and a power adapter, or even with the battery removed. Why don't most new phones have the same capability?

    8. Re: New battery? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Was fire a big problem before glued in batteries? I seem to remember a phone with glued in batteries having to be completely withdrawn not long ago.

      You may be thinking about Samsung here.

      No, batteries on fire has nothing to do with batteries glued in or not. Someone at Samsung forgot that batteries expand a little bit when they are charged - they all do that, so you just leave a bit of space. One Samsung model didn't have that extra space, so when the battery expanded, as it does quite normally, you were in trouble.

      One iPhones caught fire on a plane (very unfortunate), and it was due to a botched repair where someone put some screws right into the battery. Ouch. They don't like that.

      In either case, glued in or not glued in wouldn't have made a difference, because the average wouldn't be able to remove a removable battery once it has caught fire. When you notice it, it is too late.

    9. Re: New battery? by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Screw govt regulations. Since the govt seems to know what is best, we can just have the govt design and build phones, and ban private manufacturing of them.

    10. Re:New battery? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Lateral thinking says, do not bring back the headphone jack, instead add another firewire port to the top of the phone. Obviously now that pretty much everyone else has dropped the user replaceable battery and Apple makes little money on it now, bring back the user replaceable phone. They should have already brought out the Apple Big Screen all in one 65inches or even 85inches of thousands in profit, and of course branding identity. The web stack would also help, modem on the bottom, then stack on top with processing unit, harddrive unit, DVD burner (with email, web and social media server). They have slowed down, Apple have become all too geriatric.

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    11. Re: New battery? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      See the smart thing would be for regulations to mandate user-servicable batteries, but then we'd be inundated with smartphone fire reports from people being to damn incompetent to replace them properly or getting chinese counterfeits that catch fire after 10 charges.

      I don't remember any widespread reports of battery fires when users could easily replace their batteries. The only reason for glued-in batteries is greed.

    12. Re: New battery? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/i...

      One of the first steps suggests heating the phone up gently to melt the adhesive on the screen.

      This is a ludicrously complex process designed for no other reason than to rip customers off. It doesn't matter if the battery is only secured with adhesive strips if you have to risk breaking the phone to replace it.

    13. Re:New battery? by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      Never admit you're wrong, even when your next decision is to reverse the previous one. Take away the headphone jack, bring in the audio port.

    14. Re:New battery? by sd4f · · Score: 1

      All of those things are examples that got phased out, but not brought back in.

    15. Re: New battery? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Easy method lol. As opposed to what? It still requires tools and a great deal of care to replace a bloody battery. That is not an advancement over unclip back, remove battery, insert new battery, clip back back on again.

  2. Good by sexconker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Batteries should always be replaceable (ideally, by the end user).

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe negative in the short-term, but hugely positive in the long-term. They kept these users around, happy, and willing to spend money through apple's portals and products and when they do finally get a replacement, very likely, it will be another apple product.

    2. Re:Good by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If that is true, why aren't people buying phones with user replaceable batteries?

      Because replaceable batteries have negative implications for thinness.

      Apple is giving people what they want. If it is not what YOU want, then buy something else. There are plenty of phones with replaceable batteries.

    3. Re:Good by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Is it what people want, or are they stuck with it because they need/want iOS? If they are already invested in apps and cloud services and expensive Apple accessories it's not a simple matter to just move to a phone with replaceable battery.

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    4. Re:Good by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Because manufacturers are not offering them in higher-end phones, and other features are more important to lusers than a replaceable battery.

    5. Re:Good by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      There's no proof that thinness is an innate killer of user-replacability in batteries

      Go look at the available phones with swappable batteries. They are NOT thin, at least not compared to an iPhone.

      If instead of soldering a battery to the PCB, you put it into a plastic case, add electrical contacts, and put an access port with a latch on the case, you are obviously going to end up with a thicker phone.

      nor that people wouldn't choose that if it were an option.

      But it IS an option. There are phones out there with swappable batteries, and they are not big sellers.

      People have a choice, and they are NOT choosing swappable batteries. You also have a choice. If you want one, go buy it.

    6. Re:Good by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      If that is true, why aren't people buying phones with user replaceable batteries?

      Because replaceable batteries have negative implications for thinness.

      Apple is giving people what they want. If it is not what YOU want, then buy something else. There are plenty of phones with replaceable batteries.

      Headphone jack
      Replaceable battery
      Decent performance

      Pick any two.

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    7. Re:Good by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This. Asking why people don't buy cell phones with removable batteries is like asking why iPhone users aren't buying phones with a headphone jack. The answer, of course, is that Apple no longer sells one.

      To truly measure whether users care about a feature, you would have to have two nearly identical models whose only differences are that feature and any unavoidable side effects thereof. For example, you might have a model that has a removable battery at a slightly higher price and with a slightly thicker case. Without a proper control, you're comparing apples and oranges.

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    8. Re:Good by Falos · · Score: 1

      I work with "professional" IT that parrot lines like that. I sure as fuck believe Johnny Makeadeal is saying it to Joe Sixpack.

      Saying Johnny isn't involved doesn't help your case. Now it's what Joe hears on the facetweet and snapgram and reddiblr.

      You don't even have to leave here. We should be no more than a few clicks away from someone who's still saying "macs don't get viruses".

    9. Re:Good by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Because of the tradeoffs.

      People don't have a choice between flagship phones with replaceable batteries and flagship phones without; people have a choice between high spec phones without and low spec phones with. And for most people, the replaceable battery isn't the single and only consideration when they buy a phone.

      For apple users especially... they pretty much need to give up their entire investment in the ecosystem. But even for androids -- you really limit what you can get, and exclude yourself from getting the best cameras, fastest processors, nicest screens... and that's not a tradeoff a lot of people want to make.

    10. Re: Good by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      I donâ(TM)t need to pick two. I donâ(TM)t care about a headphone jack or a user replaceable battery. So Iâ(TM)ll just take the decent performance.

    11. Re:Good by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If that is true, why aren't people buying phones with user replaceable batteries?

      Because replaceable batteries have negative implications for thinness.

      Apple is giving people what they want. If it is not what YOU want, then buy something else. There are plenty of phones with replaceable batteries.

      If people are all about thinness why is the first thing most people do is stick them in a case that up to doubles to thickness?

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    12. Re: Good by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Then you have plenty of options.

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    13. Re:Good by quenda · · Score: 1

      Headphone jack
      Replaceable battery
      Decent performance

      Pick any two.

      You can still have all three with the iPhone 6S and IOS12.
      Replacable, but not swappable : https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/i...

      Later models are a bit more challenging due to the waterproofing and thermal adhesive.

    14. Re:Good by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Too late. I dropped my wad on a new LG phone - with a headphone jack.

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  3. Cheaper than the alternative by JoeyRox · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's clear the iPhone 6-series has a hardware design defect that caused shutdowns when its CPU hit heavy loads when running on batteries with reduced capacity. The right thing to do would have been a recall, of both the logic board and a replacement battery. But considering the millions of iPhone 6's sold that recall would have likely cost billions of dollars. So instead Apple attempted to hide the issue by releasing a software update that quietly and severely throttled the CPU to avoid peak power usage. Then Apple lied about it, then Apple got sued, which is what finally lead to the year-long $29 battery replacement program. Even with lost upgrade sales from that program Apple probably still came out ahead vs the cost of a recall. That said, the damage to their reputation was severe IMO.

    1. Re: Cheaper than the alternative by dnaumov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A standard battery management procedure used by almost everybody when implemented by Apple suddenly becomes a new item because REASONS

    2. Re: Cheaper than the alternative by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      A standard battery management procedure used by almost everybody when implemented by Apple suddenly becomes a new item because REASONS

      /. hates Apple. At least this week. Next week Apple is our friend and (insert manufacturer) is the enemy.

      Oh and 2019 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

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    3. Re: Cheaper than the alternative by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      A standard battery management procedure used by almost everybody when implemented by Apple suddenly becomes a new item because REASONS

      Can you provide a reference to any other phone vendor that ever throttled the performance of their phones by 50% to avoid shutdowns when running on degraded batteries?

    4. Re:Cheaper than the alternative by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      What? No, this is what happens to everything when you try to draw more current than the battery can provide. This same mechanism has been rolled out to EVERY iPhone running iOS 11 and 12 afaik, not just the 6. My iPhone XR has the same battery health screen that my partner's iPhone SE has.

      This is a perfectly good way to handle the issue of degrading battery performance. I'd rather have a slow phone than a phone that shuts off randomly.

    5. Re:Cheaper than the alternative by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      No, it only happens on devices whose logic boards weren't properly designed to not exceed the power budget of their battery circuit designs. And throttling the CPU by 50% to avoid shutdowns is not what I consider a "perfectly good way to handle the issue".

    6. Re:Cheaper than the alternative by edwdig · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not a hardware design defect, it's a basic fact of how electronics work. It wasn't an issue of *just* CPU usage. As phones got more complex, the difference in power draw between "idle" and "everything in use" became bigger over time. The other big factor is batteries don't work as well in cold weather. The big problem people were seeing was if they used their phones outdoors in winter weather with a bunch of things going at once, the battery couldn't keep up. Stress the phone hard in conditions when the battery won't work well and you get problems.

      And they didn't lie about it, they've had a note about it on their support site ever since they launched the fix.

      And the fix wasn't a big deal. My 6S used to shut down often in the winter months, even when it was brand new. I haven't had it happen since they issued the fix, and there's been no noticeable impact on performance.

    7. Re: Cheaper than the alternative by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Apple has been completely evil ever since they came back from the dead in the late 90s.

      They were evil before that, but they were just so weak than nobody cared.

      Through the 1990s, Microsoft had a 98% market share, and behaved like a desperate startup. Apple has a 2% market share and behaved like a smug monopolist.

    8. Re:Cheaper than the alternative by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      the change is probably in software, not hardware, designed to prevent your phone from crashing if the cpu requests more power than your battery can provide. it's a little bit of speed reduction traded for not crashing.

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    9. Re:Cheaper than the alternative by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's a design defect. Most manufacturers design (and test!) their devices not to exceed the maximum current that the battery can supply through it's entire lifetime. Apple apparently didn't check that their battery choice would work when the battery aged.

      Google actually had a similar problem. They replaced all the phones and switched to batteries that could meet the demands places on it.

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    10. Re: Cheaper than the alternative by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      I would still ask for a source for that.
      Recently i had the experience to work with a large variety of battery powered tools of a few different providers. Drills, jackhammers, angle grinders, and several variants of miniature saws. These devices generally are of such a power consumption that once they run they will only be halted by the battery running out.

      Now, there are some things to consider when using such tools. One basic idea is that you want to limit your sessions somewhat, to avoid heat damaging the metallurgy in the tools. While the saws blades and angles are replaceable, its still a loss of valuable work time.
      The reason for bringing such a item on the agenda is that its very related to the topic: For these kinds of tools they are incapable of halting in operation unless the blade breaks or they run out of power. And what you do get for ditching batteries is that you get larger models with more power: Meaning they cut faster with less resistance.
      In damaged batteries, you will see similar effects to what is described in the topic at hand: They will randomly cut in power and halt operation complete. Its a world of difference between the halt and imaging using a angle grider thats weaker.

    11. Re: Cheaper than the alternative by Lothsahn · · Score: 1

      Nexus 6 (Motorola) The CPU is very power hungry and the phone throttles heavily below 50% battery and disables cores. Aftermarket ROMS often remove this restriction, which causes unexpected random poweroff events at below 30-40% if your battery is old. Replacing the battery resolves the random shutoff events. The only difference is the Nexus 6 did this from day one, whereas Apple introduced it later after release. As a very happy owner of a Nexus 6 (purchased on launch date), I don't consider this a design defect. I've had to replace my battery once ($45). I really don't see the big deal with the iPhone battery "fiasco", and I'm not an Apple fanboy. Everything gets old and wears out eventually. $45 every few years isn't too much to keep a multi-hundred $ device running. Honestly, CPUs of that age were a bit like the P4 netburst--they pushed power and speed too much and started getting power and thermal throttling issues. New tech and die shrinks have just really improved things.

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    12. Re: Cheaper than the alternative by Lothsahn · · Score: 1

      Sorry, was on my phone and forgot to add proper formatting. :-(

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    13. Re: Cheaper than the alternative by quenda · · Score: 1

      Apple was far more evil in the 80's than now. Far worse vendor lock-in, proprietary ports, poor interoperability.

      Especially evil when they sued Microsoft and HP over basic element of the user interface that they had taken from Xerox.

  4. Interesting item not considered -future sales bump by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The much larger than normal number of batteries sold, seemed to have led somewhat to a decline in new purchases that led to Apple's earnings warning.

    That sent the stock down. But what I do not see anyone mulling over, are implications for the future... given the high degree of measured customer satisfaction from iPhone owners (90% +), this simply means that future sales have been deferred - not lost.

    So at some point in the future, probably 1-2 years hence, there's going to be a bump in sales from all these people who got new batteries as they finally do upgrade...

    Now an alternative to this scenario is: What if this gets more people accustomed to buying batteries to extend the life of phones? Even then it would just mean a longer delay, but it could lead to a deeper change in consumer behavior and generally longer ownership cycles, long term.

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  5. They shouldn't have released that number by Voyager529 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That number only works if it assumes all 11 million people would have bought a new $1,000 iPhone instead - $11 billion makes up for the earnings expectations nicely.

    However, that only works at the most superficial of levels. There's a whole cottage industry of mall kiosks and small-time repair shops that specialize in replacing spent batteries and cracked screens. Apple managed to massively undercut them at $29 (which is why the numbers are so high). Let's say that half of those 11 million people would have done any of the following:
    -Gotten a $749 XR. 5.5 milion of those meets their projected earnings, but only barely. Make it a $599 iPhone 8, and now you're off by over a billion - not "oh f'k" money, but still enough to make investors plenty nervous.
    -Gotten an Android phone.
    -Had a third party change the battery.
    -Gotten a secondhand iPhone 7.
    -Stuck it out with their existing iPhone.

    That also would have put them in a position where class action lawyers were tripping over themselves to get some iBucks. If that lawsuit was as large as the tenth largest payout in history - not impossible since it would likely include virtually every iPhone in the past decade - that's $3.2 billion just in the payout. That payout would make them miss their earnings by billions even if every battery replacement would have otherwise been a $1,000 XS.

    The number indicates that even the slightest scrutiny prevents Apple from making their earnings numbers. In turn, this starts to indicate that Apple can't expect to make the fortunes off the Annual iPhone crowd they once did. IoT doesn't seem to be helping them; it's rare to find a description of a HomePod as a great-sounding also-ran and there's no indication that releasing the iRing or the iHue will push them into those markets. The Apple Car is vaporware, Apple being the new cable company could go either way (especially without a first party television to generate the hype for it), Tim doesn't seem to want to revisit the server room, and while I can't entirely dismiss a surprise-success like the iPod, Tim's had nearly a decade to do that and doesn't seem to have been able to figure out the next big thing just yet.

    Now, don't get me wrong - I'm not an Apple hater, and I don't think they're going to die overnight. The iOS ecosystem is incredibly strong and will continue to be Apple's cash cow for quite some time to come. However, I think that investors are starting to get nervous. Maybe it'll be a good thing, and we'll see Apple revisit their creative design loyalists. Maybe Apple will shock everyone by finding a niche and owning it. Or maybe, Apple will finally prove to itself, to Microsoft, to Google, to Facebook, and ultimately to Wall Street, that Big Tech has settled in with Big Oil and Big Pharma as being boring, stable, and iterative.

  6. Got mine free by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    Took my 6s in to take advantage of the $29 replacement, turns out my battery qualified for free replacement. No idea why.

    I'm happy though, cuz now my phone lasts the day instead of two hours to dead. It's, what, 5 PM now, I would have unplugged my phone at about 8 AM, and it's at 57%. Much better.

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  7. Totally false, here's the real deal by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's clear the iPhone 6-series has a hardware design defect that caused shutdowns when its CPU hit heavy loads when running on batteries with reduced capacity.

    Hey buddy - ALL PHONES have this issue. Just try searching for "Android sudden shutdown battery".

    What Apple did was say, hey lets make it so the phone only shuts down when it's truly out of power, by throttling back performance a little bit, rather than just suddenly die at 10 or 20% left just because you played a game or something, or the battery was getting old.

    Instead of being lauded for helping phone users get the thing they treasure most above all else - battery life - Apple was pummeled for helping out users, and even though this criticism was utterly unfair, Apple took the high road and said "well how about cheap replacement batteries all around that restore full performance!".

    Now you can choose which path you want phone to take battery wise -but of course because people are not utter morons they 99% choose to use the method Apple added that got them in such trouble, and which Android phone makers have added over time hoping you wouldn't notice and also ask for cheap replacement batteries.

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    1. Re:Totally false, here's the real deal by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Hey buddy - ALL PHONES have this issue.

      Hey buddy - can you point me to an iPhone model before the iPhone 6 series that suffered battery shutdowns on a mass scale like the iPhone 6 series did?

    2. Re:Totally false, here's the real deal by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Since you are too fucking stupid to use Google, here you go retard.

      I guess the "Rox" in your name stands for what is in your head.

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    3. Re:Totally false, here's the real deal by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Instead of being lauded for helping phone users get the thing they treasure most above all else - battery life - Apple was pummeled for helping out users, and even though this criticism was utterly unfair, Apple took the high road and said "well how about cheap replacement batteries all around that restore full performance!".

      They would have been lauded if they had only did one very important thing; Told their customers they were doing it and maybe also given the option to opt out.

      The omission is what got them in hot water because it made phones slower with age (battery degradation) without any indication to their users what the cause was.

      Which would push people to get a new phone rather than replace the battery because why would a new battery improve performance?

      So yes the criticism of their handling of that was entirely fair.

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    4. Re:Totally false, here's the real deal by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but random reports of shutdowns on phones produced in quantities of millions does not represent a wide-spread issue like what occurred on the iPhone 6. All types of QC issues can result in one-off reports of shutdown events. The shutdowns on the iPhone 6 were on a mass scale, and by Apples own [late] admission, were due to battery issues, issues which Apple never released a statement about on previous models, nor tried to "fix" with a software update before the iPhone 6. In other words, it was a design defect unique to the iPhone 6 series.

      As for the cursing and personal insults, those are the last refuge of someone who's realized he's lost the argument. And to that, I graciously accept your concession.

    5. Re:Totally false, here's the real deal by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      They would have been lauded if they had only did one very important thing; Told their customers they were doing it and maybe also given the option to opt out.

      Apple did both eventually. They didn't do that at first I think because it seemed (from a technical standpoint) to make no sense to even mention it - Apple does a million things to make phone use and life better without telling you about each one. I think they also thought of it as a competitive advantage that the phones would not have the same crashing issue that other Android ponies had, so they didn't want to let on to other phone makers on an approach for how to correct it.

      As for the option, like I said Apple added that option in, but I dare you to find more than two people on the earth that have disabled this obviously more useful feature. The switch is basically "CRASH PHONE EARLIER THAN BATTERY LEVEL INDICATES (Y/N)" so what idiot would choose to turn that off? It only affects things if the battery is really old (like older than two years old at least).

      The omission is what got them in hot water because it made phones slower with age

      It didn't really though, not noticeably anyway - you could only detect it by looking at the clock speed. It didn't have much if any real-world impact. But because of the reporting people reported slowdowns for basically any reason as attributable to this, so it became a lighting rod just for phones being on the old side and some newer software not running as fast on them... that is why the criticism was unfair, because it wasn't actually helping that many people to get a new battery. After replacing the battery in my wife's iPhone 6, all that happened is the battery life was somewhat better again - there was no noticeable performance gain she could detect or comment on.

      I mean, did you ACTUALLY HAVE an iPhone 6 that seemed slow where a battery replacement make it seem faster? Do you have any direct experience here at all? Or are you claiming the criticism is fair while having zero direct experience?

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    6. Re:Totally false, here's the real deal by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No. Apple was pummeled for not giving users a choice in the matter.

      Also no not every phone shuts down with high CPU usage on old batteries. Only ones that were designed up near the current limit of a good battery in the first place. Apple is wonderfully over represented here primarily because it produces high performance phones.

      By the way your argument sounds familiar. The iPhone 4 also didn't have a problem because a blackberry was also able to drop calls when Steve Jobs held it wrong on stage.

    7. Re:Totally false, here's the real deal by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, Apple wasn't castigated for what they did. They were castigated for *not communicating* what they did, which caused people to think that Apple was intentionally nurfing older phones to make their new ones look better.

      If Apple had pulled their head out and not acted in their usual "We know better than everyone else, just trust us" way, then the situation would never have blown up as it had.

      In addition, the price of the battery repair was much higher prior to the outcry. They only dropped the price afterwards, which made it seem like an ass-covering maneuver rather than a positive gesture.

      Apple has made a lot of very questionable decisions in recent years that have been distinctly anti-consumer, and their reality distortion field doesn't extend nearly as far as it used to, so a lot more people are a lot less likely to give them a free pass for this behaviour.

      Apple needs to realize that and adapt.

  8. Re:Interesting item not considered -future sales b by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    $29 battery replacement vs $500 to $1000 phone that removed features. What a choice!

  9. Re:So what did they replace them with? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    By then the user will crave shopping for a new Apple smartphone.

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  10. Re:Interesting item not considered -future sales b by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    How many batteries did they refuse to replace, pissing off and losing customers?

    They wouldn't do my wife's iPhone. Before the recall she had the battery replaced by a third party, and they would only replace the original cell. Fortunately I have managed to get her onto Android now.

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  11. The new iPhone... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    The new iPhone will be renamed iBattery. Need a new battery?! Well, for $800+ you can replace it with iBattery! And it's all safe and secure within its waterproof welded shut design.

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  12. None by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    How many batteries did they refuse to replace, pissing off and losing customers?

    They didn't have any criteria other than model of phone, and as other comments have noted some models not technically included also had batteries replaced... I had my wife's iPhone 6 battery replaced, and not only was there no question of replacement, but I first went in earlier in the year to have it checked out and the Apple support person said "well it's doing OK, we can replace it now if you like but you should probably wait til near the end of the year to get the most benefit". Any other company would have just said "it's fine, no replacement" or replace it right then so it would wear out sooner...

    I know it's hard to believe after decades of pain from other companies supposed "support", but Apple is really excellent at bending support replacements to err on the side of the consumer. I have always had pretty good experiences with AppleCare which is why it's the only company I actually buy extended warranties from.

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    1. Re:None by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I can only tell you what they told me. They refused to do the replacement at the lower price, only offering us the full rip-off price because they said to get the discounted rate you had to swap a genuine battery for another genuine battery. It was an Apple shop, Apple employees.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  13. battery is everything by PsyMan · · Score: 1

    I just had Apple "genius" refuse to replace my battery due to it not being an original Apple one so I had to go out and spend a whole £13 & 15 mins replacing my own iPhone 6S battery, now it lasts 2 days again and is as fast as the old 7 I gave to my daughter. 8, 10, xs xr x? I really am not surprised by the lack of sales, phones have just hit the same ceiling as gmers PC's did 5-6 years ago. "Good enough" As an avid gamer and less avid phone fan I can say the pressure on us to upgrade our PC's and our phones has gone away, its only the perpetually stupid or rich who even bother with both now.

  14. Price price price by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    The non removable battery, then SEALING it in, to "promote" the waterproof idea, along with the crippling of the software for a 2-3 year old battery, got people in the habit of just chucking them and buying a new one every couple years. Althought I'm not an iphone user, but around the SD80x chips, phone got pretty much "fast enough" for about 99% of users. I'm mean get real..people run a couple apps at a time, aren't trying to solve quantum physics. But now that the CHEAP iPhone/Samsung phones are in the 800 dollar range, and the top of the line is well over 1,000 dollars, people are starting to say wait a minute...my "slow" phone just got FASTER with a new battery, how much money have I WASTED year after year for a snappy new phone, when it was Apple slowing my old phone down, just to talk me into a NEW overpriced phone.