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The Motorola Razr Could Return as a $1,500 Foldable Smartphone (techcrunch.com)

The iconic Motorola RAZR might be making a comeback as a $1,500 foldable screen smartphone, and it could launch as early as February, according to a new report from The Wall Street Journal. From a report: The price point puts the handset north of even Apple and Samsung's flagships, at $1,500. Of course, there isn't really a standardized price point for the emerging foldables category yet. The Royole FlexPai starts at around $1,300 -- not cheap, especially for a product from a relative unknown. And Samsung, the next on the list to embrace the foldable, has never been afraid to hit a premium price point. Ultimately, $1,500 could well be standard for these sorts of products. Whether or not consumers are willing to pay that, however, is another question entirely.

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  1. Honestly by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

    If I could get an old razr with a slightly larger screen that will do music, podcasts, and cat pictures, I would be good to go.

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    1. Re:Honestly by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Ah the I love Retro, however I want all the modern features post.

      The Razr was a top of the line consumer phone at the time. Not because of its features, but because how thin it was. During its time we had smart phones such as the blackberry and other that were darn close to blackberries running Windows CE and Windows x Mobile. Which gave a lot of features. However they were larger and bulky, and expensive. So the Razr was popular.

      Now I am tired of the rectangle glass screen design for a phone. But I don't see the Razr as being an upgrade, because as you are pointing out, you will need the modern features on the phone, we can't go back to just having a number pad.

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    2. Re:Honestly by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If I could get an old razr with a slightly larger screen that will do music, podcasts, and cat pictures, I would be good to go.

      A new RAZR should be a dual-screen flip phone. Only, what OS would it run? Android with hackiness for the second screen, or something else inherently hacky?

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    3. Re:Honestly by lgw · · Score: 1

      Now I am tired of the rectangle glass screen design for a phone. But I don't see the Razr as being an upgrade, because as you are pointing out, you will need the modern features on the phone, we can't go back to just having a number pad.

      I'd love a number pad and a half-sized screen, but I doubt that's what they're making. At the price point it will be a foldable OLED, that is the usual glass rectangle when opened all the way. More's the pity.

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    4. Re:Honestly by perpenso · · Score: 1

      A modern razr could possibly be a touch screen the entire size of the case, no physical number pad, more screen.
      Hopefully folding, lower part all screen, upper part speaker and non-screen electronics. A joyful return to having the main screen protected so you can safely put it into your pocket with something else.
      It would also likely be open to 3rd party apps so it would be more functional.

      I think a modernization could do a great job of blending the old proven design and modern functionality.

      Personally, if I had not wanted to develop iOS apps I would have kept my original razr much longer. I passed on the original iPhone and used an iPod touch for development.

    5. Re:Honestly by lgw · · Score: 1

      The fact of the matter is people utilize typing in numbers maybe 1% or less of the time they are using a smartphone. Smartphones are desktop replacements, the phone functionality is used about as often as it is used on a desktop with a monitor.

      I pretty much use my phone to make phone calls, or for apps where the screen isn't important. That's why I'd love real buttons. But like I say, that's not what they'll be making.

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    6. Re:Honestly by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      They used to make one!
      Back in 2004
      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000...

    7. Re:Honestly by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      It looks like Samsung makes one!
      https://www.samsung.com/hk_en/...

  2. Royole FlexPai by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    What marketing person came up with that? Royole FlexPai? Terrible.

  3. NO! by Zorro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NO cellphone is worth $1500!

    Does it include Star Trek Beaming or Time Travel? No? Then it isn't worth its weight in gold!

    1. Re:NO! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      There is a narrow window where a small but significant number of idiots will pay silly prices to have the first flexible phone.

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    2. Re:NO! by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is a narrow window where a small but significant number of idiots will pay silly prices to have the first flexible phone.

      Too bad they are already late to the party. Apple came out with a flexible phone in 2014.

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    3. Re:NO! by TWX · · Score: 2

      Honestly if a smartphone could serve as a laptop replacement for the kind of work that I would use it for, it might well be worth that $1500. That kind of work involves datacenter and telecommunications closet equipment service, like consoling in to systems.

      I have experimented with using a borderline-phablet smartphone, a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and a USB-OTG cable to let me use an FTDI serial console cable. It works OK, but is limited by the way that Android handles mouse functions, and some other operations are a bit more difficult because of how Android has restricted access to the hardware. Termux can't talk to the serial port, I have to use a different Anrdoid application for terminal use than I do for SSH use. Additionally I have yet to find a good portable Bluetooth keyboard, the closest one has a weird layout and requires hitting function-modifier keys to access common characters for my job (pipe, slash, backslash, brackets) and was so fragile that it broke within a year.

      Fundamentally the biggest problem is that for the functionality that I want, it simply doesn't pack down small enough. If I still have to drag my laptop bag along then I may as well bring my laptop.

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    4. Re:NO! by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That was a great feature, the phone was designed to mold itself to the owners butt, making it more comfortable to carry over time.

      However I never got why people put their phone in their back pocket. It is like hold on a moment while I pull something from my butt and put it next to my face.

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    5. Re:NO! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The first gen stuff wasn't all that good though. When they came out with the flexible tablets in 2018, pre-bent at the factory to save you the bother, that's when the tech really got good.

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    6. Re:NO! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It's $80, but the Apple keyboards are somewhat portable and a lot more durable than most. Depends how small you really want it.

    7. Re:NO! by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but Apple keyboards are missing a whole lot of keys. You need to press function modifier keys even for basic stuff like PgUp, PgDown, DEL, etc.

      Nobody in their right mind could use (eg.) a macbook for programming.

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    8. Re:NO! by TWX · · Score: 1

      Apple keyboard is far too large.

      This was the last one I tried:

      iclever

      It fit in my pocket, but the way the backside covers over the hinging areas were designed they just broke off after being dropped, with the plastic snapping.

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    9. Re:NO! by TWX · · Score: 1

      That's one of the few things that annoys me about my personal Dell XPS 13, the lack of dedicated home/end/pgup/pgdn keys.

      At work I'm still using a fairly old Thinkpad Yoga 12.5" because it still has dedicated hardware keys and because it's got enough border around the screen that it's relatively durable in equipment spaces. I'd have rather they bought me a Panasonic Toughbook or equivalent (it also would've had a physical 9-pin serial port for consoling) but they didn't want to do that.

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    10. Re:NO! by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      I bet I know what is on your Facebook Ad Preferences.

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    11. Re:NO! by burningcpu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I used to keep my cell phone in the only sane location I could think of, the front left pocket of my jeans. However, as the width of these phones has increased, this location became less tenable.

      I've adopted the butt phone placement and broken a phone screen because of it. But I don't think I can go back, until we start having smaller screens again, or a technological feat that obviates this need.

    12. Re:NO! by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Keys and wallet are up front. Don't always wear a jacket, or a shirt with a pocket. Leaves you without a lot of options, and anyway, it's not like I'm tucking it in the waistband of my underwear. The trousers are clean.

    13. Re:NO! by mspohr · · Score: 1

      That's why shirts have pockets.

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    14. Re:NO! by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      One alternative is 'hold on while I put something that has been near my crotch next to my face'.

      Somehow it does not seem like a good concept, now.

    15. Re:NO! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      NO cellphone is worth $1500!

      Ironically no one sells a cellphone anymore. Who the hell uses a cellphone anyway. I prefer to talk into a pocket computer.

    16. Re:NO! by dohzer · · Score: 1

      You're right! Just make it $2000 instead.

    17. Re:NO! by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      A Bluetooth to RS-232 adapter works well, but if you're already using a BT keyboard, you may be out of luck if you can't connect to both at the same time.
      Example:
      http://www.blutronium.com/

    18. Re:NO! by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      Cargo trousers. I don't want to carry anything around the parts of my clothing that also need to flex for mobility.

  4. For a phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ultimately, $1,500 could well be standard for these sorts of products. Whether or not consumers are willing to pay that, however, is another question entirely.

    Jesus, that is getting into the price point where you could buy one hell of a desktop machine.

    People and their damn phones. No way I'd spend anywhere near that on a phone. Then again, I don't understand why people are so obsessed with their phones as I don't use a smartphone.

    I can't tell you how often I see a family of 4 in a restaurant, and absolutely everybody has their face buried in their phone -- there's some "quality family time" for you. Great way to show your kids how to be capable of having a conversation, spend your entire meal reading work emails.

    I've also seen way too many managers who can't listen to an answer of the question they just asked in a meeting they called. I've pretty much reached the point where I say "if you pick up that phone again, I'm walking out because I'm tired of repeating myself because you have the attention span of a child". Honestly, you called the meeting for us to give you information, if you can't get through the meeting without asking everyone to repeat themselves half a dozen times, call me when you're willing to focus on one thing for more than 30 seconds. I walked out one time, and I'm told it took almost 10 minutes for the manager to notice.

    Smartphones make people idiots. Smart phones that cost $1500 make them bigger idiots.

    1. Re:For a phone? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Don't think of it as a smartphone, think of it as replacing that desktop computer and adding more functionality to boot.

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    2. Re:For a phone? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You can think like that, but only if you use productivity tools and nothing requiring any real computing power. A dock with a bigger CPU and more RAM might be in the future for continuity, but right now, there's little contest between a real desktop and a phone for real work.

    3. Re:For a phone? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Contact lists are huge (or at least mine is). Capacitive touch to scroll contacts is a game-changer even if there's no computer functionality.

  5. Betteridge says NO by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    ”Whether or not consumers are willing to pay that, however, is another question entirely.”

    A foldable phone might be handy... but not THAT handy.

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    1. Re:Betteridge says NO by lactose99 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cheaper to buy two $500 phones and a small metal hinge.

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    2. Re:Betteridge says NO by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      I made a triple one with duct tape for hinges.

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    3. Re:Betteridge says NO by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I made a triple one with duct tape for hinges.

      F**k everything, I'm doing five phones.

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    4. Re:Betteridge says NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      This one goes to 11.

    5. Re:Betteridge says NO by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Then conference-calling becomes trivial.

  6. Motorola Phone Pricing drops fast by leonbev · · Score: 2

    If the pricing works like any of the older Motorola phones, the phone will only cost $1,500 for about three months and the price will quickly drop after that.

    Within a year, the phone will be "free" if you sign up for a 2 year contract extension.

    1. Re:Motorola Phone Pricing drops fast by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That was before Apple showed everyone the "way.". If it's still your newest model, you can get away with charging the same price for years until the day the next model comes out. And instead of fire sale to clear out inventory, the old model mostly disappears from the market.

    2. Re:Motorola Phone Pricing drops fast by leonbev · · Score: 1

      I haven't been able to see any company but Apple pull off that stunt, and even then Apple has only been able to hold the original MSRP for about a year on their new phones before dropping them at their stores to make room for the new model.

      Besides, the phone carriers start discounting Apple phones as well once the initial launch hype wears off. It might take six months, but even the shiny new iPhone Max models get a price cut when bundled with a contract.

    3. Re:Motorola Phone Pricing drops fast by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was definitely drawing more on their Mac Pro, Mac Mini, and MacBook Pro for that comment. Even their iPads have had a few models like that.

  7. Re: Royale FlexPai by jddj · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I get the Royale with Cheese?

  8. Currently being done. by DrYak · · Score: 2

    or the T-Mobile Sidekick with the modern network bands. That phone had an even better keyboard than the Blackberry

    Gemini PDA by Planet Computer is trying to bring back the hardware keyboard to PDA/Smartphone. Okay, it's more Psion-style (clamshell) than slider, but it's something you can buy right now.
    (with a choice of different OSes, too - if you don't like being a lollipop for Google to suck).

    Livermorium is currently working to bring a slider keyboard smartphone on the market soon-ish. With some patience you could have the slider formfactor you would like. (Some leaks here and there seem to point to some of the designers that had contributed to Nokia's sliders have been helping that too)

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    1. Re:Currently being done. by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

      Sir, you have given me HOPE for the future!

      The Gemini is sort of a "meh" proposition for me. I gave up on the PDA years ago and the fact that this has 4G, but no phone capabilities is a bit of a letdown.

      However, that Livermorium gives me hope. That form factor is by far the most functional design there is and I miss my Droid 4 immensely. A modern landscape slider keyboard, makes me SO happy.

  9. The thing about the Razr was by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    When you pulled one out everyone saw you had one. It was the iPhone of it's day. A bit of expensive kit to show people how much money you had to throw around. I'm not sure they can recapture that. Apple tried with the X line and failed.

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    1. Re:The thing about the Razr was by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      I agree that the X isn't what Apple hoped. I wonder if the problem isn't the price, however, but the fact that people can't easily tell it's an X; thus no dopamine hits from spectators nearby going "hey, is that the new X? Oooohhh." Assuming the owner puts it in a case, it doesn't look substantially different from every other black rectangle you see just about everywhere. There's a reason Luis Vuitton plasters their logo all over everything. There is a segment of people who will pay extra for attention - but they want to be damned sure they get that attention or it isn't money well spent.

      For those of us who just enjoy having a nice phone, the reasons to upgrade are fewer and further between. I bought the S8+ to replace an older Galaxy model due to Samsung's statement that the battery could handle significantly more charge cycles without the usual degradation. My phone is approaching 2 years old and, thus far, that holds true. I still make it through the day on a single charge and everything else about the phone (screen, speed, photo quality, etc.) is of high enough quality that I don't see a need to pick up a new phone anytime soon. Honestly, my daughter recently picked up a Motorola G6 for around $200 unlocked. The fit and finish of that phone is top notch and it does everything I need to do reasonably well (sans wireless charging which is a luxury I like). When the S8 finally does give out I may go that route. My ~$900 (at time of purchase) S8+ definitely isn't 4 times the phone that the G6 is.

  10. Razr Pricing by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 1

    I have a Razr in a drawer at home I'll only charge $15 for if you want one.

  11. Tiny market by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    Considering there are more than 1000 laptops in the $1250-$1500 price bracket alone on NewEgg, not to mention thousands more cheaper than $1250, I fail to see the utility of a laptop-priced clamshell device (so innovative) that doesn't have a keyboard and has a dinky screen. How many people can there possibly be with that much stupid money to spend on a non-Apple product?

  12. Re: WE now Know by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    what's inside that damn box.

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  13. No thanks by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    It will be entertaining to see how quickly this new company goes under.

    They seem to be under the same delusion that TV manufacturers had with 4K, in that they think just having the technology is enough to have a successful product.

    Technology for technology's sake is not good enough. There has to be a great enough value proposition to make the product worth buying. And I can't think of anything that would be valuable enough for me to justify spending $1500USD on a phone, regardless of how fancy the display is.

  14. Re: WE now Know by jddj · · Score: 1

    It's an Egg MacGuffin!

  15. Cool beans by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    So, hey! Motorola! How about a big ol' boring slate phone with a replaceable battery? Headphone jack? I've got $1500 with your name written all over it.

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  16. Go for it by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Apparently no one has told them how well Apple is selling iPhones at the ~$1k level.

    If you have any Motorola stock, I would probably get rid of it now.

  17. Wrap it around your DICK by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Set it on Vibrate... start saving.

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  18. It's like phones are desktops for retards by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    On bigger computers, we learned that you need to avoid proprietary dependencies so you don't get utterly fucked. Then everyone got a proprietary handheld PC, where they are perpetually fucked.

    On bigger computers, we noticed the prices just kept falling. Then everyone started buying handheld PCs, where the prices go .. up?!

    It's like phones are desktops for retards.

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  19. Wow! by azcoyote · · Score: 1

    ...It's amazing how little I have ever cared or wanted to be able to fold my phone.

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  20. Could Return as a $1,500 Phone and ... by WindowsStar · · Score: 1

    ... never sell a single phone!