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Julian Assange Launches Legal Challenge Against Trump Administration (theguardian.com)

SonicSpike shares a report from The Guardian: Julian Assange, the fugitive WikiLeaks founder whose diplomatic sanctuary in the Ecuadorian embassy appears increasingly precarious, is launching a legal challenge against the Trump administration. Lawyers for the Australian activist have filed an urgent application to the Washington-based Inter-American Commission of Human Rights (IACHR) aimed at forcing the hand of U.S. prosecutors, requiring them to "unseal" any secret charges against him. The legal move is an attempt to prevent Assange's extradition to the U.S. at a time that a new Ecuadorian government has been making his stay in the central London apartment increasingly inhospitable.

The 1,172-page submission by Assange's lawyers calls on the U.S. to unseal any secret charges against him and urges Ecuador to cease its "espionage activities" against him. Baltasar Garzon, the prominent Spanish judge who has pursued dictators, terrorists and drug barons, is the international coordinator of Assange's legal team. He has said the case involves "the right to access and impart information freely" that has been put in "jeopardy." The Trump administration is refusing to reveal details of charges against Assange despite the fact that sources in the U.S. Department of Justice have confirmed to the media that they exist under seal. The application alleges that U.S. prosecutors have begun approaching people in the U.S., Germany and Iceland and pressed them to testify against Assange in return for immunity from prosecution. Those approached, it is said, include people associated with WikiLeaks' joint publications with other media about U.S. diplomacy, Guantanamo Bay and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

244 comments

  1. Don't worry, Julian by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone on Slashdot has assured me repeatedly over the years that neither the UK nor Sweden has any intention of ever extraditing him to the U.S.

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    1. Re:Don't worry, Julian by geekpowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was before interfering with US election process was on the table. Maybe if Assange stuck with the original remit of providing a whistleblower safehaven instead of whatever the fuck he has been doing lately with Roger Stone et al, and limited himself to consensual sexual activity, he wouldn't be in self-imposed prison for 6+ years.

    2. Re: Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also some dude in New Orleans is filing a lawsuit against the NFL which has the same chance of winning.

    3. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not have been keeping up. Julian is now thoroughly on the liberal shitlist for daring to publish embarrassing shit against King Obama and Queen Hillary too (praise be their names). He was only supposed to do that to Republicans. But he went rogue, started thinking he was a hero. Now he must pay!

    4. Re:Don't worry, Julian by CaptainDork · · Score: 0

      I'm on /. and I never said such a thing.

      I've been reporting Assange and WikiLeaks ever since they were a thing. Assange was a self-described "spokesperson," at first. He said he has nothing to do with the internal workings of WikiLeaks; that he was sim-ply rhe front man.

      Later on, after he and WikiLeaks fell off the radar and money and attention waned, Assange claimed to be a "publishers," so he could hide behind those credentials.

      The US has wanted Assange, day one. WikiLeaks is guilty of two things: 1.) possession of stolen documents, 2.) espionage.

      I really liked WikiLeaks until they monetized whistle-blowing.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    5. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      So he was supposed to just keep quiet about Hillary and her DNC buddies stealing the nomination from Bernie Sanders then?

      Telling the harsh truth that Hillary fans don't want to hear != "interfering with the U.S. election process"

    6. Re:Don't worry, Julian by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, right. What this is really all about, the US government wants to declare it globally illegal to report the criminal activities of the US government in the rest of the world. So you as citizen witness the criminal activity of a foriegn power, the US government, in your country or in an country where you are at the time, if you report the crime to the authorities of that country, the US want to charge you with the crime of espionage, seriously. You see a CIA agent kill someone, report it and the US government wants to prosecute you and probably kill you in detention, you committed a crime against the US state by reporting the crimes of the US state, when they are the foreign power. A real shite stain, on freedom, democracy and justice, full blow fascism and a populace too cowardly to put a stop to it, even when they are publicly attacked, imagine men allowing the government to fondle their genitals in front of those, well, women's children, they ain't men no more, when they allow that to happen, an emasculated populace, sheeple, trained to be sheared.

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    7. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      International law is whatever the country with the biggest military says it is.

    8. Re:Don't worry, Julian by currently_awake · · Score: 0

      By the standards of most Western Countries his sex life was consentual. Just in that one country was not using a condum considered non consentual, if he did, and she needed rather a lot of convincing to make the complaint, and the statute of limitations is past. At this point the only thing he's hiding from is charges for skipping bail.

    9. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine if either of you had ever met him

      He'd make sure you knew that his uh stated belief that you were equals was, in fact, an accolade.

      He's always been a grifter, but if you need to represent the world in terms of which ruling party you personally recognise then maybe he's got something to sell you.

    10. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fter he and WikiLeaks fell off the radar and money and attention waned,

      Let's not lie here, Dork. WikiLeaks lost its money sources because the US government pressured banks and card processors to stop servicing them.

      The US has wanted Assange, day one. WikiLeaks is guilty of two things: 1.) possession of stolen documents, 2.) espionage.

      US laws have never applied where Assange is based and Wikileaks does operate. And still don't apply. Besides, both charges were thrown away by the more competent US administrations themselves. This is why they engaged in the complex "accuse him of rape and snatch him at the airport" plan, which also failed.

    11. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the CIA does it, 'Murica Fuck Yeah! When someone else does it, it's treason.

    12. Re:Don't worry, Julian by geekpowa · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you mess with a countries governing institutions and get caught expect consequences. I am not suggesting giving anyone in any jurisdiction a pass here.

      As for Russian hacking and your incredulity about how pervasive it is, do yourself a favor and read Muellers speaking indictment released months ago. Interesting reading, especially from a tech/geek perspective. The details of the allegations are highly detailed and highly specific and these people are not master hackers. https://www.documentcloud.org/...

    13. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading propaganda is doing yourself a disservice.

    14. Re:Don't worry, Julian by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0
      If he'd dumped documents that made the GOP look bad, you'd be loving him so hard he'd be presenting the Oscars.

      Assange just told the Swedes he's a Syrian refugee. So naturally they dropped rape charges.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    15. Re:Don't worry, Julian by geekpowa · · Score: 2

      Da Comrade!!!

      Hopefully these allegations will one day reach a court and your comrades can confront their accusers, state their defence, and then we'll see how it all plays out.

      Who else is afraid of facing their accusers? People hiding in embassies....

    16. Re:Don't worry, Julian by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The CIA was looking to character assassinate him by any means necessary. First they sent in a CIA plant (Daniel Domscheit-Berg) to undermine Wikileaks from the inside and to advance to the narrative that Assange was just a selfish narcissist. And then they set up a blatantly obvious honeypot operation in Sweden to implicate him as a rapist too. It's the same shit they pulled on Dominique Strauss-Kahn when he was foolish enough to challenge the supremacy of the U.S. dollar (and that they've pulled on many others too).

      Now is the part where you call me a conspiracy theorist, just like all the people who have been called nuts for daring to suggest that this whole Sweden/UK fiasco was just theatre to to get Assange extradited to the U.S. all along. But it's not really a conspiracy theory when they're really out to get you, is it?

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    17. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, who is afraid of facing a kangaroo court with a predetermined sentence and why...

    18. Re:Don't worry, Julian by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      The documents were/are the property of the US. They were stolen and sent to WikiLeaks. I followed the Mannng case all the way from his Lady Gaga CD, through a scared hacker, to WikiLeaks, for example.

      The shit was stolen and given to WikiLeaks.

      Without judging the merits, those are the facts.

      Assange hung himself when he stopped pretending to being a spokesperson and then said he was a publisher.

      WikiLeaks fucked up when they lost control of Assange.

      In addition to lack of donations, WikiLeaks and Assange became dormant until they aggressively sought stolen information.

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    19. Re: Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They dropped the rape charges mostly because there was no rape.

      But keep beating that horse, patriot.

    20. Re:Don't worry, Julian by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      If you mess with a countries governing institutions and get caught expect consequences.

      Yeah, kind of like the Iranian Revolution in 1979, huh? Consequences.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    21. Re: Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the US did eventually shoot an Iranian passenger jet with 300+ innocent civilians in revenge.

      So, there are consequences.

    22. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit? Really? Here's how Wikileaks "donations dried up". As you say, the facts only:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/a...

      There were no "documents stolen". Copies of the documents were leaked. The guilty party was apprehended, sentenced, did time, got out.

      And that's what the facts are, Liar Dork.

    23. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, people forget that liberals loved Asange back when it was George W. Bush who he was dropping embarassing leaks on. The second Obama came in and Wikileaks started dropping leaks on his nasty shit, suddenly the libs decided he was a traitor after all.

    24. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      The sexual activity in all cases allegedly began as consensual. Mr. Assange is one of the very few people in the world in such deep political conflict with notoriously criminal security agencies around the world that a conspiracy against him, with women paid, coerced, or politically convinced to testify against him, is feasible. I'd like to see more details about what the original police involved felt was the truth.

    25. Re: Don't worry, Julian by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      How do you make someone evil look bad? That's like trying to make Charles Manson "look bad."

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    26. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She has said that he literally forced her legs apart.

      No, she hasn't. This is how the second prosecutor, who trumped up the charges, interpreted what was actually said. So, yeah, this is a classic "he-said-she-said", but the "she" is not the woman, but the high-ranking prosecutor who owes her career to a higher-ranking politician with warm ties to the US political elite, who was called up in 2010 to help the character assassination of WL.

    27. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone ever think if there are farms of foreign twitter bots pushing dumbass maga teen videos, there might be people gaming sites like this one too?

      Or maybe the moderators all got lead poisoning, also possible.

    28. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't. International law is a common understanding built around the principle "don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you", which keeps the small and weak players safe. It is a pity that the US has created the precedents and strengthened the notion that you try to push, but international law is its complete opposite.

      And you're an idiot.

    29. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the US governments core responsibilities is to look after the countries interests across the globe. And every other country on the planet does the exact same thing. Some are just better at it than others. The CIA's written mandate is to operate intelligence and counter intelligence operations on foreign governments and last I checked there is not a single country on the planet where spying and espionage activities are legal. So yes the CIA is committing crimes in foreign countries but they are not breaking any laws in the US, And every country on the planet with indoor plumbing and an internet connection does the exact same thing. When everyone else ceases their espionage activities against the US then maybe the US will cease their own actions.

      And Assange is an attention seeking junky with delusions of grandeur. The US cannot charge him with espionage because that crime can carry the death penalty and no country would extradite him to the US. The only crime he could possibly be charged with is receiving stolen property. And even that crime would be hard to prove. Besides he has already voluntarily served a prison term for 6 years. And trying to prove he influenced a US Presidential election is impossible to quantify or prove. The only people pushing this particular piece of BS are the Clinton supporters and Democratic party because they refuse to face the real reason they lost the election. To them Clinton lost the election because someone cheated. Trump is an idiot and a terrible President but how bad did Clinton and the Democratic have to be to lose to him?

      And Assange's new lawsuit is going to be sitting in someone's inbox collecting dust since the government is shut down.

    30. Re: Don't worry, Julian by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      DURR HURR GOP BAD LOLLLLZ

      Best economy ever. Still pushing to enforce our laws and keep additional illegals out. Telling off our faux allies to start paying for their own defense instead of at the expense of American tax payers. Telling off the evil Chinese dictatorship instead of bowing like previous losers. Simply: putting America first. What a shock having a POTUS who would do that instead of declaring himself a citizen of the world.

      Wait a minute, I'm talking to an NPC script, aren't I? *facepalm*

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    31. Re: Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have nothing to hide, please come alone to the CIA headquarters, and please don't tell anybody about it.

    32. Re: Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How ironic that TFA is exactly about the US hiding secret charges.

    33. Re: Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute, I'm talking to an NPC script, aren't I? *facepalm*

      Being able to watch your gradual slide towards schizophrenia is one of the few reasons I keep coming back here, if I'm being honest. Your very basic computer skills are not really going to differentiate you from the average muttering vagrant when it comes down to it, I'm afraid. You will be treated like dirt by the scum you worship.

    34. Re:Don't worry, Julian by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Everyone on Slashdot has assured me repeatedly over the years that neither the UK nor Sweden has any intention of ever extraditing him to the U.S.

      For many years the USA didn't have any intention of building a wall on a Mexican border either, nor cause a trade shitstorm with every country in the world. People's assurances didn't change. At the time the USA showed precisely zero intention to extradite anyone.

    35. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You for prosecuting the NYT for publishing the Pentagon Papers?

      Explain why you are not a hypocrite.
      Don't worry, I don't expect a response. I've pointed out your liberal bias in a way you can't explain off. You support what you call illegal activates if it supports your views, in other words you support a dictatorship.

    36. Re:Don't worry, Julian by terrycarlino · · Score: 2

      International law is a fiction that strong countries impose on weak countries.

      It is passed by no legislature, enforced by no one with law enforcement authority. Like sovereignty it only exists because there is someone with the ability to enforce it and the will to do so. At best it is an agreement, subject to abrogation when inconvenient enough, between the strong to protect the weak as long as their interests are do not threaten the interest of the strong.

      It is mostly a modern invention and flows from the formation of the nation state and mutual self interest. It is subject to change at any time the strong players decide to change it.

      Not saying I like it, but there are many things about reality I'm not overjoyed with.

    37. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking forward to him appearing in court in support of this case.

    38. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not "just that one country", but also in England as well, so at least two countries, as Assange went to court to try to avoid being sent back to Sweden, and the judge ruled it would also be rape here.

    39. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not saying the CIA didn't have any involvement, but Assange clearly is a selfish narcissist, so it wouldn't really take much work to advance that narrative. And what a bizarre honeypot, send a couple of women that agree to have sex with him, with the only stipulation that he use a condom, which he somehow couldn't stick to.

      For all I know, maybe the CIA apply some pressure to get Sweden to pursue the charges against him, but if there was more to it than that, it is a rather bizarre way to go about things, as it doesn't help get him extradited to the USA in the slightest. He probably would have been safe and free now, had he gone to face the music in Sweden.

    40. Re:Don't worry, Julian by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Does anyone ever think if there are farms of foreign twitter bots pushing dumbass maga teen videos, there might be people gaming sites like this one too?

      Absolutely. Maybe even this one, although why bother? It's not like it's important anymore.

      Or maybe the moderators all got lead poisoning, also possible.

      That's not an either-or.

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    41. Re:Don't worry, Julian by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying the CIA didn't have any involvement, but Assange clearly is a selfish narcissist, so it wouldn't really take much work to advance that narrative.

      Has anyone put together a solid debunking of the idea that Anna Ardin was working on behalf of the US government? It would be really helpful to know if such a thing exist, thanks /.

      And what a bizarre honeypot, send a couple of women that agree to have sex with him, with the only stipulation that he use a condom, which he somehow couldn't stick to.

      Maybe Assange has a history of sneaky raw-doggin' it. Or maybe they were just looking for any pretext. Or maybe it's all just what it looks like up front, who knows? I need more information to decide.

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    42. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So he was supposed to just keep quiet about Hillary and her DNC buddies stealing the nomination from Bernie Sanders then?"

      LOL. Nice to see this conspiracy theory still has legs. If any of you dumbasses could do math, you'd see how wrong you were.

    43. Re:Don't worry, Julian by 1ucius · · Score: 2

      That sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory

      The truth here is much simpler. Assange is playing to the Ecuador government (and, I suppose, international opinion) by arguing 'you should let me stay because the evil Trump administrations will treat me unfairly...."

      It's a silly argument factually - sealed indictments are a common thing - but he has to play the hand he holds.

    44. Re: Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why canâ(TM)t USians get it through their heads that party nominations are internal party affairs? Itâ(TM)s not scandalous if the nomination isnâ(TM)t democratic.

    45. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOTHING about you or your comment is "funny".

      Julian Assange is an INNOCENT JOURNALIST and ACTIVIST for CHANGE being FALSELY persecuted as you would EXPECT by the embarrassed US GOVERNMENT.

      ALL Governments do this against the people and entities they are most afraid of.

      The US Government STEALS from you and OUTRIGHT MURDERS people around the GLOBE.

      The US Government is SCARED SHITLESS of both being EXPOSED and its citizen SLAVES waking up and discovering that Government is a completely useless and unnecessary WASTE... that PEOPLE can in fact live and work together just FINE WITHOUT Governments.

      THIS my friends, is what is going on in the world.
      People are WAKING THE FUCK UP and starting to push back globally against and elminating Governments.

      This IS the natural way of things.
      Governments have TOTALLY underestimated the impacts of the *KNOWLEDGE* and *SHARING* of the INTERNET and soon the *FREEDOM* of CRYPTOCURRENCY.

      So get the fuck off Julian Assange and everyone else and start SUPPORTING them. THEY are the ones who are leading you out of the dark slavery over you of Governments and Corporations. They are showing you how to LIVE FREELY TOGETHER, VOLUNTARILY, without THEFT, MURDER, POWER SURVEILLANCE CONTROL WAR etc. How to build great things according to your interests. And how to help others locally according to your charity.

    46. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has ANYONE HERE actually sat down to watch the entire COLLATERAL MURDER video?
      Has ANYONE HERE actually read even the SUMMARY of all the leaks over the years?
      Has ANYONE HERE actually read SNOWDEN?

      If you did you would be 100% behind Wikileaks and all the other people out there who are fighting for YOU. Because the SHIT that GOVERNMENTS do against and over you should SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU.

    47. Re:Don't worry, Julian by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      Also in the UK. Assange tried to get the European Arrest Warrant voided in the UK courts but the UK courts ruled that what Assange was alleged to have done would constitute rape under UK law and therefore the EAW should stand. At that point Assange legged it into the Ecuador embassy.

      Had he been concerned about extradition to the USA, he would not have come to the UK at all or would have gone to the Ecuador embassy as soon as he got here instead of waiting until it became inevitable that he would have to go back to Sweden to answer charges of rape.

      The man is a rapist. Stop defending him.

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    48. Re:Don't worry, Julian by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      The USA still doesn't have any intention of building a wall on the Mexican border, only the twat in the Whitehouse.

      Anyway extradition doesn't work the way the GP seems to think. Neither the UK nor Sweden has any intention of extraditing Assange to the USA but that is because the USA hasn't requested extradition. However, if the USA asked the UK to extradite him, they almost certainly would, which makes me wonder why he came here in the first place, unless it was to avoid a rape trial.

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    49. Re:Don't worry, Julian by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Not everyone. Just a few vocal idiots who are certain that their world view is correct and that everyone operates on the same principals of justice that they operate on.

      The words infamy and perfidy have no meaning associated with them that these people can understand... because they themselves are not that underhanded. But yeah, they are fucking crazy and you are not.

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    50. Re:Don't worry, Julian by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Assangniks are interesting types. According to the Guardian in 2011, AKA back when they liked Assange:
      Montgomery

    51. Re:Don't worry, Julian by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Assangniks are interesting types. Back in 2011, when they still liked Assange, the Guardian reported:

      "They were coerced, either by physical force or they were trapped into a situation where they had no choice," Montgomery [lawyer for the Swedish prosecution Authority] said. "AA says in her case the prelude to the offence was Mr Assange ripping her clothes off, breaking her necklace, her trying to get dressed again and then letting him undress her." He then had sex with her after pinning her arms and trying to force her legs apart to insert his unprotected penis, which she did not want, she said."

      Either the Swedes lied in an official Court filing, or they actually have sworn testimony from AA that he tried to force her legs apart. And yet pointing that out is "trolling" according to three of you.

      And it's not like this particular fact should change your opinion on whether he should be in jail. The CIA is not gonna set up a honey rap with a fake rape charge that does not include some truly terrible allegations about their victim. If it's not a fake rape charge or orchestrated by the CIA then the allegations must be terrible or the Swedes would not have bothered pursing him as far as London.

  2. Well, he would know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a confirmed Russian agent himself, Assange would know that Trump is also a member of the Union for Soviet Moles International. That makes the whole Trump regime an illegal one since he was foresworn on his oath of office.

    However, Trump himself has a solution. He wants NASA to send a man to Mars by 2020 with unlimited money since as we all know, he is super rich, he just needs to liquidate his assets as he promised, then travel on a rocket.

    Problem solved.

  3. Poor Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He probably thought that by helping Donald Trump win with well timed leaks, he'd be able to avoid US prosecution. Julian didn't realize Trump doesn't repay favors (or debts.)

    1. Re:Poor Julian by Jarwulf · · Score: 0

      Alternate World: AC: YOU SEE?? I told you corrupt Drumpf bails out his cronies in crime.

    2. Re:Poor Julian by Powercntrl · · Score: 2

      Julian didn't realize Trump doesn't repay favors (or debts.)

      This would first require Trump to believe he needed any help winning in the first place. The man is too narcissistic to believe he ever did anything in his life besides pull himself up by his own bootstraps.

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    3. Re:Poor Julian by quenda · · Score: 2

      Simpler explanation: he disliked Trump, but really hated Hilary. (As it turns out, that applied to a lot of the US voters too.)
      He probably never expected Trump to win.

    4. Re: Poor Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Over two years (the digging started well before inauguration), endless funds and rubber stamps, and Commissar Mooler hasn't found shit.

      Yeah. Maybe it didn't have anything to do with Trump. Maybe it had everything to do with the Dems running the most corrupt fuck since US Grant.

  4. Revenge against Hillary by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That was before interfering with US election process was on the table.

    And before that, Hillary asked her staff for ways to kill him - and was taken serious enough that a couple of aides took it at face value and researched ways to do it.

    So your statement could be expanded as:

    That was before tanking Hillary's election because she threatened to kill him.

    But of course he did that, and now America wants revenge.

    And all of this, originally, over making public the "collateral murder" videos (and a bunch of other stuff). America talks big about whistleblowers, but when it comes right down to it, our government is just as petty and vindictive as any dictatorship.

    1. Re:Revenge against Hillary by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      America talks big about whistleblowers, but when it comes right down to it, our government is just as petty and vindictive as any dictatorship.

      I once heard a lawyer who put it best (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here): "Nobody ever thanks a whistleblower. At best they might have a movie made about them or have someone praise them in an op-ed. But even then, long after all the positive press has stopped, they've still lost their job and been permanently black-balled in their field. And there will always be people who will resent and hate them for what they did. They'll always be looking over their shoulders, looking for work in a world where no one wants to hire them, and probably wishing they had just kept their mouth shut. And that's the best case scenario. Worst case, they end up dead or in prison."

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    2. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well.

      Genocide is legal if it's committed by the right person for the right reason. Just ask a few dictators.

    3. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Grievances"? They'll just make something up. Have you not yet realized that if those in power are out to get you, they will justify it by fabricating a charge against you. There's a million laws on the books, it's not hard to find at least one of them to stick on anyone.

      The rape charges were bogus as well, and the "Russian election meddling" is nothing but DNC propaganda. People who go around parroting that schlock just look like gullible simpletons. It's right up there with believing that your computer has a virus and "Ted" from Windows needs to remote in to fix it for you, honest!

    4. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manning was not given clemency. Manning was punished.

    5. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too, comrade, me too.

    6. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It turns out that your opinion about what constitutes gender is not shared by everyone.

      In humans in particular, the overwhelming majority of what constitutes gender is hormone driven, not DNA driven. Of course the DNA drives the hormones, but my point is that hormone manipulation actually does, biologically speaking, change pretty much everything that is gender-specific about a person.

      Not that you care, your position isn't based on science, but rather your own sense of squeamishness over the whole issue. Well, the rest of the world doesn't care whether you like it or not.

    7. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just like those Swedish women.

      The Swedish women asked for only one thing - that he's not prosecuted for rape. The first Swedish prosecutor, who decided the case on the actual merits let him go.

      Then the CIA stepped in, and the wishes of the Swedish women and justice were not a concern anymore.

    8. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the rest of the world isnâ(TM)t on board with your notions of gender. Youâ(TM)re confusing tumblr and your circle of faggot friends with the wide world.

    9. Re: Revenge against Hillary by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 3, Informative

      So people with XY chromosomes, but have a vagina because of Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are what?

      Maybe you should grow the fuck up and realize not everything falls into neat the fairy tale categories that you learned in your first or second year of school.

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    10. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Outliers with a medical problem.

      This is like looking at people with glasses and saying their vision problems aren't a problem lol guys it's perfectly normal just one of the many visions humans can have!

    11. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      That's exactly what it is you fucktwat. There is no design diagrams for the human body to spec out 20/20 as the "correct" vision for all "properly assembled" human beings.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    12. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I very clear;y and specifically said biological sex because you dim bulbs have destroyed the meaning of the word gender. Since I will not debate your corruption of once well understood terms I intentionally used terms you can not refute.

      Chelsea Manning is a guy. His biological sex is male. No amount of surgery, hormones or clothing can change his biological sex.

      I am not squeamish. That is you projecting. I am capable of telling a penis from a vagina. I can also easily tell when someone is having severe psychological misfunction and needs psychological help, not surgery and hormones.

      The suicide rate for post operation trans is off the charts. If being the other faux-gender was what they really needed and would fix all their problems why do they suicide at such a high rate? Way above any other group.

      Hint: it is because they are fucking broken and their brokenness comes out as gender confusion but they are still broken afterwards and kill the selves because what they thought was a magic bullet turned out to be just a bullet. Bang. Dead trans.

    13. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are no design diagrams, but most of the people have normal vision, and the ones that not are at a disadvantage. Modern medicine helps them to restore the vision of those, whose vision is abnormal and removing or damaging your eye is not considered a reasonable medical request.

      What is even stranger is that mutilating your genitals is considered a crime when done by some black people in Africa, but if the same is done by a doctor in the US, it is something entirely different. And circumcisions and sex change operations are genital mutilations by definition.

      The logic of modern LGBTQWTF-ism is not one based on science, medical knowledge or facts, but on social make-belief and sponsorship money.

    14. Re: Revenge against Hillary by f3rret · · Score: 1

      I very clear;y and specifically said biological sex because you dim bulbs have destroyed the meaning of the word gender. Since I will not debate your corruption of once well understood terms I intentionally used terms you can not refute.

      Chelsea Manning is a guy. His biological sex is male. No amount of surgery, hormones or clothing can change his biological sex.

      I am not squeamish. That is you projecting. I am capable of telling a penis from a vagina. I can also easily tell when someone is having severe psychological misfunction and needs psychological help, not surgery and hormones.

      The suicide rate for post operation trans is off the charts. If being the other faux-gender was what they really needed and would fix all their problems why do they suicide at such a high rate? Way above any other group.

      Hint: it is because they are fucking broken and their brokenness comes out as gender confusion but they are still broken afterwards and kill the selves because what they thought was a magic bullet turned out to be just a bullet. Bang. Dead trans.

      You seem to care a lot about something that doesn't affect you in the slightest.
      If some person born as a male wants to live and be treated as a female, how does that affect you in the least?

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    15. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you switched to adhominems when they beat you with substance? Nice.

    16. Re:Revenge against Hillary by WhyMeWorry · · Score: 1

      Interesting premise. The Trump administration wants revenge for Wikileaks tanking Hillary's election.

    17. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would seem implausible if it weren't for the whole Comey incident.

    18. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was given clemency when his sentence was commuted just a few years into a 30 year sentence. He should still be breaking big rocks into little rocks at Leavenworth for a couple more decades. No other traitor has been let go so early. All because he started claiming he was a girl.

    19. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't rape anyone. She even confirmed that. She changed her mind afterwards when she found out he slept with someone else, and enacted some obscure Swedish law (regret for not using condom.)

      Fake news decided to call it 'sexual assault', and here we are.

    20. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no substance, just assertion. There is no "biological sex" like you claim since children and post menopausal women and infertile couples do not have any children due to their genetics being off kilter. So if your assertion is correct, then what gender is a neuter? Can't give birth, so not female, can't spew seed so not male.

      Things being non simple is what reality IS, but you can't handle non simple and so you HATE reality.

      And therefore demand that reality be shoved in the simple boxes your pinhead can manage.

      PS your post there was pure ad hom. Doesn't matter if the PP insulted, they also had evidence that you ignored, making your post which ONLY attacked the person an ACTUAL ad hom.

      Retard.

    21. Re: Revenge against Hillary by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      The suicide rate for post operation trans is off the charts. If being the other faux-gender was what they really needed and would fix all their problems why do they suicide at such a high rate?

      Two reasons:
      1) Mental issues like depression, that result from gender dysphoria. Those are not magically fixed by having the surgery.
      2) The stress of living in society, post-op. It is hard, because it is hard for other people to understand why you would undergo gender reassignment surgery. Even people who know and love you can have a hard time dealing with it all. As a result, you'll be reminded every day that you aren't really who you wanted and tried to be. Not everyone will take something like that in stride.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    22. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      America talks big about whistleblowers, but when it comes right down to it, our government is just as petty and vindictive as any dictatorship.

      I once heard a lawyer who put it best (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here): "Nobody ever thanks a whistleblower."

      Assange is not a whistleblower from what I can tell. It seemed to be more about a cult of personality. He had to know he was being used, and possibly had some ideas about who by. I had a pretty good idea at the time how awful Trump was, but they somehow dug up enough bullshit that combined with a mediocre run by Hillary resulted in Putin's puppet winning.

      It still boggles the mind how republicans have some defect where they can't see the frame up for what it was and is. For every 100 things you actually knew about Hillary, be it past, or plans, or whatever you knew like 10 about Trump. I think it is perhaps some kind of "Shield of Faith" they have, where all inputs get run through this reality distortion field to somehow make Good equal whatever they want it to equal.

      Either way, for helping us get the fuckwit in the White House, I wish only bad things for Mr. Assange. This shutdown, just from people not getting medicine and treatments is likely to lead to deaths or may have already done so, all, so he can blackmail the country into a monument to his ultimate con job.

    23. Re: Revenge against Hillary by f3rret · · Score: 1

      And you didn't answer the question.
      How does it affect you which gender someone wants to live as and be treated as?

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      Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
    24. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you have a dick, you are male. A vag, you are female. This is really easy

      Since you are an Anonymous Coward I can't tell if you have a dick but I do know that you are a dick.

    25. Re:Revenge against Hillary by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The Swedish women asked for only one thing - that he's not prosecuted for rape.

      The great thing about past tense is it is always right when discussing something which changes.

      "The Swedish women asked for only one thing - that he's IS prosecuted for rape." is a true statement as well considering they were instrumental in initiating the rape charge.

    26. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the billionaires figure if they can promote sex changes, there is going to be far less breeding, which means they don't need to feed and support as many people. The rich capitalists want as many people to turn gay and all those other alphabets they identify as as much as possible. They want the future for themselves not the serfs. Even better they love identity politics because the gays leading cultural Marxism are splitting the working classes into different labels. Them the feminists and the racial minorities together have created a set of conflicting and contradictory ideologies that like to think they can work together but in reality can't, ensuring the billionaires stay in power and the masses starve.

      Trump is a billionaire.
      Soros is a billionaire.

      The media that promotes this shit is controlled by billionaires.

      And then you have every bottom feeding celebrity narcissist millionaire scrambling to scream #me too and be heard and get in on the identity politics bandwagon because they're just as scumful, pleading for peace in Darfur, hashtagging the latest causes all while doing absolutely nothing to help the people in need. But it sure does appeal to their vanity and make them feel good about themselves.

      Enjoy slavery faggots. Your movements are literally what is enabling it.

    27. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      You just misquoted what I wrote, and lied at the same time. Congratulations, citizen, for your lying.

    28. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thegarbz rapes his neighbor's goats every Wednesday.

    29. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wha?????

      So, what hormones do I need to take to grow ovaries, a uterus and vagina?

    30. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh oh oh, Okian Warrior still believes in the Clinton Death List!

      Well, no surprise. You are prone to hallucinations and delusions.

    31. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The women asked for him to take an STD test, that's all.

      Everything else came from a second prosecutor after the first cleared him. That's quite abnormal and lead most people to assume there are hidden motives.

    32. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So people with XY chromosomes, but have a vagina because of Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are what?

      Rare.

    33. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And before that, Hillary asked her staff for ways to kill him - and was taken serious enough that a couple of aides took it at face value and researched ways to do it.

      Reviewer 2 here, I require a citation for this claim.

    34. Re:Revenge against Hillary by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "The Swedish women asked for only one thing - that he's IS prosecuted for rape." is a true statement as well considering they were instrumental in initiating the rape charge.

      That's a lie, and you are a liar. They explicitly wanted him to be forced to take an STD test, not prosecuted for rape. That was attempted at the discretion of the government, and over their explicit wishes. Whether he should be prosecuted for rape is orthogonal to the point of whether the women wanted him prosecuted for rape, so let's try to keep that to a separate thread, so that you're not a goalpost-moving liar as well.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    35. Re: Revenge against Hillary by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Two reasons:

      No, those are two reasons why converting to the other gender won't fix all their problems. And the fact that they still kill themselves at about the same rate whether they have gender reassignment surgery or not is a strong indication that it wasn't what they really needed. But both the people who have had the surgery and the people who perform the surgery have a strong vested interest in convincing them that it is what they need, so they keep doing it even though the statistics show that it isn't.

      In societies with less strictly enforced gender roles, there is less gender dysphoria. I'm all for people having the right to get a sex change, though I am absolutely against being asked to help them pay for it since the statistics show it doesn't improve outcomes. But it's clearly not what these people need, since it isn't even the most effective means of reducing their suicide rate. Not being assholes to them is. Granted, it's very hard to make people not be assholes to other people, but what they are doing now isn't working either.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    36. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was before interfering with US election process was on the table.

      And before that, Hillary asked her staff for ways to kill him - and was taken serious enough that a couple of aides took it at face value and researched ways to do it.

      So your statement could be expanded as:

      That was before tanking Hillary's election because she threatened to kill him.

      But of course he did that, and now America wants revenge.

      And all of this, originally, over making public the "collateral murder" videos (and a bunch of other stuff). America talks big about whistleblowers, but when it comes right down to it, our government is just as petty and vindictive as any dictatorship.

      He tanked Hillary's presidential campaign so the Trump administration wants to extradite him? Yeah, that makes perfect sense...

    37. Re: Revenge against Hillary by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I've read a Dutch study that suggests going the whole hog on gender reassignment (SRS, plastic surgery plus hormone treatment) reduces suicide rates significantly but only doing part of it doesn't reduce rates, and there's a US study suggesting the same. I personally know a few transgenders who have improved mentally after having the surgery, but that's a small sample size with no control group... There are also studies that suggest no notable change in suicide rates post-op. What I do know for most of Europe at least: the evaluation leading up to surgery is pretty intensive, but I would call the post-op care garbage... if it even existed, that is. It's clear that the surgery does not fix all issues; it fixes some and introduces a few new ones, all of which are still pretty poorly understood and very rarely addressed. But still, I have yet to meet a transgender having regrets after the SRS.

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    38. Re:Revenge against Hillary by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      It really doesn't matter if the women wanted him prosecuted for rape or not. The Swedish law enforcement authorities wanted him prosecuted for rape and instead of facing the charges, Assange ran away. The obvious explanation for this is that he believes he is a rapist under Swedish law.

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    39. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They definitely did want him prosecured https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assange-rape-victim-elisabeth-fritz-sweden-drop-investigation-wikileaks-stockholm-british-a7744741.html

    40. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a legitimate question. Why is mutilation of the body to match a desire gender something that is supported when other forms of body mutilation to match your self identity abhorred? Why is the destruction of the body's ability to procreate okay while destruction of the body's ability to perceive visual stimulus not okay?

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

    41. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the ad revenue! I'm glad you enjoyed the story I completely made up on my fake news website. I've seen you share my fake content repeatedly on here, Okian Warrior. I'm glad you're such a loyal rube.

    42. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a job.

    43. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol Putin's puppet. I can't imagine being as fucking stupid as you. Hillary lost. Get. The. Fuck. Over. It.

    44. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) agreed. Their mental issue is gender confusion. They falsely believe medical mutilation will fix them. It will not because they are sick and desperately need psychological help.

      2) they are constantly reminded because it is true. They are not the other sex. They thought they could be but all the kings horses and all the kings men could not make humpty dumpty into a woman. Chelsea can choose whatever name he likes for himself. If he wants to use a traditional girl name then ok whatever. Odd but his choice. But he was born a guy, is a guy, and will die a guy. Right now he is just a guy who mutilated himself and wears womens clothing.

      How many virtue signaling twits who encourage this sort of mental illness would be upset if their date turned out to be a guy in drag or a woman on high dose testosterone? Good enough for others but when she turns out to be a fake she they are generally not going to introduce a mentally ill person to mom as the love of their life. I live in San Francisco. For all the pro-alphabet soup acceptance here, the straights still want real straights. The gays want real gays. No one wants a fake anything for more than a kinky one night drunken adventure.

      Summary: Chelsea is a guy. The word gender has been destroyed. Biological sex is immutable. Facts are facts. No amount of ad hominem or deflection about red hair can change facts.

  5. Do like everyone else... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    File it in California...

  6. Challenge accepted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuff said...

  7. Don't worry, the secret charges will be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, the secret charges will be for breaking secret laws and will be tried in a secret court so that you will be full protected and have all of the recourse the Government chooses to allow you. Sounds just like Stalin, Hitler, Xi Jinping, and every other dictator out there.

    How dare him wish to actually find out about the charges and evidence against him? Kind of like exercising his right of discovery is something he lost because the Government is afraid of the truth.

    1. Re:Don't worry, the secret charges will be... by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. It will be a fair process. He'll be allowed to have a secret lawyer who will not be allowed access to the secret evidence, and 5 whole minutes of post-sentence court time to defend himself. The U.S. legal system isn't BARBARIC, you know.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    2. Re:Don't worry, the secret charges will be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. He will have access to modern facilities, situated in a pristine natural environment and with all kinds of entertainment, like loud music and water board therapy.

  8. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He wants to find out who is ratting him out.

  9. Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    'Ecuador to cease its "espionage activities" against him'

    Bitch, you're in their their embassy, as a guest. Yes they're going to know what you're doing in their F-ing embassy.

    It will be funny after he's extradited and the US unseals the charges they have him nailed on - jaywalking. Put his butt in jail six years so far by holding their cards close to their chest.

    1. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by currently_awake · · Score: 5, Informative

      How many of the suspects locked in Guantanamo Bay have even been charged? Keeping suspects in jail till they die of old age isn't legal in the USA. The US government has proved they are willing (and able) to lock people up without trial and throw away the key. Also notice they intend to try them under military law, even though they claim none of them are soldiers, and they claim juristiction over crimes committed in foreign countries.

    2. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For most people this means moving to another country and moving on.

      JA is the victim of a wholesale opaque judicial process that makes up the rules it wants to suit its argument, and it arrests who it wants to make sure its argument holds. In other words, not an argument - a dictate. Nice that they want to get him in a room where he can't argue before he'll be allowed to make a statement. Even nicer we already know they'll disagree. Even nicer still that none of this is in any law book and they don't care either - even though the law book is the reason for an extradition in the first place.

      We call these Kangaroo Courts. The kind you expect to find in third world countries - like the US has become.

      Also, it's not that they hold the cards close to their chests - it's that they hold all the cards. Several decks of them at every hand. Do this in any casino and you'll get arrested for attempted fraud, unless you're the government.

      The only thing left to decide is how he's going to die - because that's going to happen, law or no.

    3. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

      According to various google searches there are 40 left. A non-zero number of those cannot be sent home because their government would kill them, Congress/Trump won't let them come to the mainland, and nobody else will take them. Many of the rest have actually been convicted.

      As for the rest, you do realize that if you're shooting at us, and you're not covered by military law, we can actually execute you with no legal proceedings whatsoever? And that if they'd never shot at various Westerners it would be likely that some European Social Democratic government would take them in?

    4. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you do realize that if you're shooting at us

      While you're committing war crimes, don't forget that little part. The US committed a war crime by attacking Iraq and Afghanistan without proper UN authorization. It had no business there, it had no business snatching these people, keeping them in prison, killing tens of thousands and displacing millions.

      It is only the Nazi principle that might make right that has allowed US war criminals, from FD Roosevelt and H. Trumpman through Nixon and Kissinger and up to the Bushes to avoid prosecution, sentencing and the gallows.

    5. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False. No UN authorization is required. A declaration of war is expected to be delivered to the nation in question. But even that is just an expectation not a requirement. There is no and has never been a requirement to get UN approval or authorization to engage in warfare. If that was required the nations around Israel could all declare war on it, and get UN authorization while Israel would have it's declarations in return denied.

      The Law of Land Warfare as codified in the Geneva, Hague and other conventions does not involve the UN at all.

      Nor is it a NAZI principle that might makes right. That would be a law of nature and one found through out all of history.

      You really need to go back to school and actually learn how these things work.

      No the US did not commit war crimes by engaging in those conflicts. Both nations were repeatedly warned that their actions and behaviors would result in our taking action if they did not change. Oh and We did have UN approval for Iraq and Afghanistan.

      As to the occupants of Gitmo. They were combatants with no affiliation to any nation state. By engaging in warlike activities against the US and our allies, without being part of any nation's formal military or clandestine services they are unlawful combatants with no protections under any of the conventions dealing with military actions. As stated by others we could just summarily execute them on the spot for their crimes but instead we have chosen to detain them and yes they have had trials for their crimes.

    6. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're not covered by military law, we can actually execute you with no legal proceedings whatsoever?

      False, while mercenaries lack legal protections of PoW treaties, you still need a trial before execution.

    7. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Actually the status of unlawful combatants is still a contested issue. One side holds that if you are not covered under Article Three of the Geneva Conventions, which covers lawful you should automatically be covered under Article Four, which covers civilians, or more technically persons who "at the given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals."

      However it is assumed that such persons are not armed. It is a point of contention whether Article Four covers anyone who is an armed participant in a conflict but is not an agent of a recognized government. If Article Four does not cover them, and as already stated Article Three does not cover them, they have no status under the conventions. Persons with no status are not entitled to any protection at all under International Law. So they can be executed out of hand, though most national laws would require they receive some kind of procedure, though it does not necessarily hold that procedure be judicial in nature.

      The correct, long term, answer is for the international community to agree upon a new article made to cover this situation. That article does not necessarily have to assigned the same protections as either Article Three or Four, but should certainly institute some level of protections. Article Three generally prohibits prosecuting combat soldiers for acts of war which are agreed to be within the scope of their duties, and delineates how they must be treated, and when they should be released. Article Four allows for the prosecution of civilians who commit crimes. Unlawful combatants are neither.

    8. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      However it is assumed that such persons are not armed. It is a point of contention whether Article Four covers anyone who is an armed participant in a conflict but is not an agent of a recognized government.

      How do you square that with nations (Well, nation) where firearm ownership is a constitutional right? Does that mean that anyone invading this country basically has carte blanche to put bullets into anyone they see? Because I might be an armed participant, and that's a really convenient excuse. Not that I expect to be invaded any time soon, but I do live on the California coast... so if it happens, it's probably happening here first :p

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    9. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US, if you are armed you are probably considered a part of the militia and thus covered under article three.

    10. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      However it is assumed that such persons are not armed. It is a point of contention whether Article Four covers anyone who is an armed participant in a conflict but is not an agent of a recognized government.

      How do you square that with nations (Well, nation) where firearm ownership is a constitutional right? Does that mean that anyone invading this country basically has carte blanche to put bullets into anyone they see? Because I might be an armed participant, and that's a really convenient excuse. Not that I expect to be invaded any time soon, but I do live on the California coast... so if it happens, it's probably happening here first :p

      The keyword in the post is participant. Since history has shown repeatedly that summary, retaliatory, or mass execution, while having the goal of pacifying an occupied territory, usually have the opposite effect of galvanizing resistance. So, if the invading party intends to occupy an area, the logical course of action would be to require local civilians to turn over any privately held weapons and subject those not complying with detention or, if caught in an offensive or subversive act while armed, subject them to battlefield rules-namely, they are going to get shot at. By participating in a hostile act the civilian has given up any protection that would normally have been accorded to them. That's best case though. If the invading force has no plans to occupy, or simply doesn't care, they'll kill anyone and everyone for any or no reason.

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    11. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for the rest, you do realize that if you're shooting at us, and you're not covered by military law, we can actually execute you with no legal proceedings whatsoever?

      Blackwater wasn't covered by military law. They murdered people and got away with it.

  10. How things change by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Informative

    When he was leaking things that made Bush look bad you loved Julian Assange so hard that Benedict Cumberbatch played him in the movie.

    ""First Facebook and now Wikileaks as the Guardian reports that studio executives have picked up the screen rights to the forthcoming Julian Assange biography 'The Most Dangerous Man in the World' by award-winning Australian writer Andrew Fowler. The book details Assange's life from his childhood on Magnetic Island in Queensland, Australia, all the way through to his founding of the whistleblower website in 2006 to publish classified material. Producers Barry Josephson and Michelle Krumm, who have optioned The Most Dangerous Man in the World, say they are planning a 'suspenseful drama' in the vein of All the President's Men and with the thrill of a Tom Clancy novel. 'As soon as I met Andrew and read a few chapters of his profound book, I knew that â" with his incredibly extensive depth of knowledge â" it would enable us to bring a thought-provoking thriller to the screen,' says Krumm."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jan/21/wikileaks-movie-biography-julian-assange

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    1. Re:How things change by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When he was leaking things that made Bush look bad you loved Julian Assange so hard that Benedict Cumberbatch played him in the movie.

      And when he was leaking things that made Bush look bad the right wing hated Julian Assange so hard they had smoke coming out of their collective ears, now they love him because he fixed an election for Trump. People love and hate things based on whether these thing further or hinder their cause which shouldn't surprise anybody.

    2. Re:How things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Along the same lines as the left eating it up when Obama mocked Mitt Romney for calling out Russia as a potential threat...fast forward a few years when Hillary was unable to pull out a win (again) and the Russians were back on the left's threat radar and the root of all evil (in spite of the clear flow of money and favors from Russia to the Clintons during Hillary's tenure at the State Department).

      If it wasn't for double standards, the left would have no standards at all.

    3. Re:How things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, Julian Assange changed, or perhaps new information came out.

      The same way once you learned your wife was cheating on you, you got a divorce.

      People, the world, decisions, they are not fixed in eternity but subject to alteration.

      Is this news to you?

    4. Re:How things change by Freischutz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Along the same lines as the left eating it up when Obama mocked Mitt Romney for calling out Russia as a potential threat...fast forward a few years when Hillary was unable to pull out a win (again) and the Russians were back on the left's threat radar and the root of all evil (in spite of the clear flow of money and favors from Russia to the Clintons during Hillary's tenure at the State Department).

      If it wasn't for double standards, the left would have no standards at all.

      Double standards? For decades the American right was in a state of utter paranoia over Russia, Then Russia fixed an election for Trump (which by the way is a strange way for Russia to express the cozy relationship they have with the Clintons according to you) and now the entire Republican Party is running around in t-shirts labelled: “I’d rather be a. Russian intelligence asset than a Democrat””. Seems to me that Trumpkins who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

    5. Re:How things change by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      It's more likely that he was initially liked by less than half of the people for apparently condemning Bush. Then he also condemned Obama (or more specifically Clinton). At some point it became obvious he simply does not like the US, and particularly how the US operates, and now he has no friends on our right or our left. His agenda does seem very much like what a Putin or a Kim Jong Un or some other banana republic dictator might prefer.

      The status quo he sought to upset (and quite possibly succeeded at) did a lot to keep the bad people down, even if it was meddling. It was not without problems that annoyed everyone, everywhere in situationally unique ways, but we did keep the bad guys down and under control. Now we're feeling more individual and national freedom, but the bad guys definitely seem to be winning.

    6. Re:How things change by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Go ahead, blame those dirty foreigners. It's sooo easy to throw it off on someone else. It feels magnificent to retroactively, automatically define your values as the most important ones and those of others as inconsequential and selfish. Make no mistake: Trump's presidential win was the fault of the Democratic Party. They chose a demonstrably corrupt, very rich, connected insider candidate over one - Bernie Sanders - shown by polling to have a better edge over all Republican candidates. It was a spectacular failure of the Clinton machine to consider the impoverished, postindustrial Midwest as a given despite decades of policy neglect. Hillary Clinton herself underestimated just how very unlikeable a person she is. Trump wasn't the best candidate but that's just how little people like Clinton and fear her Beltway aura. Leftists melted down across the Internet, exposing their biases and breathtakingly narrow comprehension of the universes inhabited by others.

      By the way, everything Wikileaks has leaked has been true. 100% truthfulness record. Unlike, for example, the US mainstream media which deliberately vilified a bunch of schoolkids, violating their own "journalist ethics" and accepted standards and practices with glee. Assange just did what he's done his whole life: try to do as much damage to America as possible. Ironically spreading dissent by saying the election was fixed is playing right into Russia's hands. The election was legitimate, the outcome was legitimate. If ye claim otherwise you're literally furthering Putin's cause. At least get paid if you're going to do that...working for free is a sucker's job.

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    7. Re:How things change by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Yep, Julian Assange changed, or perhaps new information came out.

      The same way once you learned your wife was cheating on you, you got a divorce.

      People, the world, decisions, they are not fixed in eternity but subject to alteration.

      Is this news to you?

      So it was the "southern strategy" and all the good people switched sides?

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    8. Re:How things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta love cherry pickers...

      The misinformed people who think he did have been misled.

      In fact, Wikileaks published details about Trump AND Hillary.

      Except Hillary's showed she was a psychopath who was working hand in hand with ISIS to foment regime change in Syria and had screwed over Democratic Party voters with rigging of their election to ensure she got the nomination when Bernie should have gotten it.

    9. Re:How things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey It's slashdot's favorite unhinged illiberal nutbag everyone. - Word to the new, this guy is fun to laugh at but don't think his low UID grants him any authority.

      With that out of the way -
      Assange has been a Russian asset for years. He'll do anything to make the US Look bad.

      Including help get Trump elected.

    10. Re:How things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, I've more-or-less loved him the whole way through. Which means, I guess, that I've switched from left-wing to right-wing along the way.

      Or perhaps my default side is just "whoever's not in control of the mainstream media"?

    11. Re:How things change by strikethree · · Score: 1

      now they love him because he fixed an election for Trump.

      God damn! If I had only known it was so easy to control people, I could have been President by now. What the fuck people?! Why didn't anyone tell me how easy it is to control millions of people and force them to vote in a particular way?

      Fuuuuuccccccck. I am so dumb. I guess I should take comfort in the fact that both parties are dumb too, so I have lots of company. They spent billions of dollars campaigning and such in an effort to sway the vote, and all it took was Julian Assange releasing some information and BAM! Instant Presidency. Wow. Just wow.

      I am guessing they are going to be using this technique in the future rather than wasting billions of dollars campaigning?

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    12. Re:How things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems to me that Trumpkins who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

    13. Re:How things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to imagine being as dumb-fuck retarded as you. Russia fixed an election? Did your hard-on for Hillary contain so much of your blood that you suffered brain death? Holy shit you are a fucking dunce.

    14. Re: How things change by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Cumberbatch also played Cummings. Not a sympathetic figure. Actors do not like to play good or bad real people, they like to olay challenging showcasing roles.

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    15. Re:How things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LIAR.

        Wikileaks leaked that Steve Jobs had AIDS. They published a photocopy of a lab report indicating that Jobs had AIDS with a date that was before the lab was ever established. Here is their current somewhat misleading page that obfuscates their role though the part where Wikileaks says it was a document they released as it was being hidden from the public is true. They really haven't properly represented that they published false info but rather dance about to make claims that they took responsibility and corrected. In fact you wouldn't really be able to know their error from just their page if you didn't already know the history.

      Your assertion is false.

      https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008

  11. Uh, broski by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    These your bros yo.

    1. Re:Uh, broski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ryan Ruskie, your posting frequency has dropped significantly over the past few weeks. If you don't pick up the pace, your cheques will be withheld.

      -D. Brock

  12. Wikileaks are a russian front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality. That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won’t be perceived as coming from a ‘pro-Trump’ ‘pro-Russia’ source.”

    Julian Assange, telling Trump Jr to leak his dads tax returns through WikiLeaks to improve their image and fool people into thinking they are impartial. This lawsuit is the same strategy.

    1. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And were they a Russian front back when they were publishing stuff that made the Bush administration look bad?

    2. Re: Wikileaks are a russian front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow you just completely fabricated not just a full quote but also a relay between two men who have never met.

      Damn, that is fucking ballsy.

      Complete shit lie but ballsy.

    3. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by johnsie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're missing the bigger picture. The Russians are not left or right. Their goal is instability in the US. That means making partisan differences worse. Getting the people to vote for governments that cannot function. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. In that respect they will 'support' any side if they know they can use it to stir up trouble. They want Americans to turn on each other.

    4. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Well the democrats have been doing a great job of that. Remember the riots after the election? And then the anti free speech riot at Berkeley? Just the other day they demonized a bunch of children for crimes they imagined. It's Otherization and they're doing the job Russia wants.

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    5. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So the secret to beating Trump in 2020 is to just look even dumber and more incompetent, so that the Russians boost your campaign.

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    6. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They want Americans to turn on each other.

      Sadly, it doesn't take much either.

    7. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. They play both sides, or have you not figured that out yet?

    8. Re: Wikileaks are a russian front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "fabricated"

      Comrade, "ballsie" is out of date. Have you not attended last weeks update on American slang for 2018/2019?

    9. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by terrycarlino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No you're missing the big picture.

      You're operating on some kind of flawed vision of U.S. politics where partisanship did not exist in the past. The U.S. is no more divided now than it has ever been.

      If your view of U.S. history goes no deeper than the highly filtered version taught in the public school system, then you are operating on flawed data. There was a time that things were so contentious in Congress that Preston Smith Brooks of South Carolina beat Charles Sumner of Massachusetts nearly to death on the floor of the senate over a speech he gave. The countries intervention in WWI was controversial, and only draconian and constitutionally illegal activities by the Progressive administration in power at that time prevented greater kickback. It took a direct attack on a U.S. territory to drag the U.S. into WWII, because so many people against the U.S becoming involved. There were literal riots in the streets over policy as short a time as fifty years ago. Twenty years ago a highly partisan congress impeached the president over what was effectively an extramarital affair between consenting adults, no matter how it might have been colored as something else.

      The intention of the founding fathers was that the federal government be mostly dysfunctional. It was to only be highly functional in the areas of national defense and international treaty, and both those functions were intended to require cooperation between two of the three branches, with on eye to limited U.S. involvement in foreign wars and international disputes.

      We actually would have even more partisanship if we had more than two political parties, since in most cases no one agrees 100% with either party, even their most partisan supporters.

      Any real democracy, even a republic, will always have partisanship and disagreement. Only in dictator ships do elected leaders get 90% of the vote.

    10. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more partisan, but much more polarized. It used to mean that with effort, two divergent sides (Dem/GOP) could reach a compromise. Now it's if you disagree with my you're worse then Hitler. Polarization is killing America, and much of the Democratic world. We've forgotten how to compromise for the good of all.

      Word of the Day: Contrary

    11. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

      The Russians have been at this for a long time. And for the most part have succeeded.

    12. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by strikethree · · Score: 1

      You're missing the bigger picture. The Russians are not left or right. Their goal is instability in the US. That means making partisan differences worse. Getting the people to vote for governments that cannot function. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. In that respect they will 'support' any side if they know they can use it to stir up trouble. They want Americans to turn on each other.

      While you are correct, I think it is much more reasonable to fear the CIA and friends. They are allowed to operate on US soil now and they have been. With a vengeance. The CIA is responsible for more fake news than Russia, Iran, North Korea, and all of the multinational corps combined. But the law that prevented the CIA from acting domestically was removed, with no fanfair. Nobody noticed or thought anything about it. Well, I am sure some noticed, but media-inspired line is: It was a non-event back in 2010 and it is still a non-event. lol, very few people "noticed" the absurd rise in Fake News with the change in directive at the CIA. I am sure there is no causation, but the correlation is very very interesting. :)

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  13. play with the big boys... by hdyoung · · Score: 1, Troll

    At the start, Assange had this idea of Wikileaks being a truly neutral repository of information. That idea had real merit, and still does. It went to crap from there. Badly. The US hasn't exactly been honorable in how they've dealt with him, but it's obvious that Assange decided to start playing with the big boys - geopolitics, espionage, that sort of thing.

    I lost the last shred of any sympathy for him when it became obvious that he actively colluded with Russia to screw with US election integrity. Sorry MAGA-types that are gonna bristle at that .... it's been pretty well documented. At this point, he's basically a self-declared enemy of the state.

    You step into the ring with the heavyweights, you better be ready to get knocked around. Asange's chances of avoiding extradition are growing vanishingly small. He'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

    1. Re:play with the big boys... by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      At the start, Assange had this idea of Wikileaks being a truly neutral repository of information. That idea had real merit, and still does. It went to crap from there.

      That's the bullshit narrative that Daniel Domscheit-Berg has peddled. And I guarantee you that's it's going to come out one day that he was a CIA plant. Mark my words.

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    2. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your "documentation" of collusion consists of nothing but hearsay, conjecture, and baseless claims with no evidence. Their value is 0. That the media repeats it 24x7 in attempt to act as a multiplier still results in a value of: 0.

      So you lost sympathy because you were duped into believing a lie told by people who were out to get Assange for his crime of exposing their crimes.

    3. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then if he's with TheRussians(tm) and Drumpf(tm), he shouldn't have anything to worry about then right?

      Oh right, it doesn't matter what anyone ever does it's always DrumpfsFault(R)(tm) (c)2016 TDS Inc.

    4. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The question that needs to be asked here is how many secrets is our government really allowed to keep secret? You let them keep too many, they might start disappearing people for whatever reason they might think is necissary. Chicago PD runs a blacksite for christ sakes.

      We're living in an age of parallel construction and we might as well question the juries being picked as well. The more secrets the government keeps the less trust the public has in the government and that in turn creates a viscious cycle.

      You have two parties in the united states; you have nationalists that believe in some pretty radical libertarian views mingled with socialism and not a lot of personal responsability and freedom, and you have populists who take a more conservative viewpoint and prefer personal responsability and freedom. 80% of the country are populists, 20% are nationalists. Nationalists have a lot to lose, and the majority of the populists have almost nothing to lose at this point.

      Something to understand, the reason why the Chinese are limiting our involvement in their economy and building military island bases is not because they are a bunch of rat fink warmongering bastards. They're doing it because they see our rich and government institutions selling us out, and they ask themselves "Yep, those guys are never getting in this country, they'd mess it up for profit. How do I screw them long and hard?". HP Outsourced to Asus, Dell outsourced to Acer, and the chinese bought lenovo outright; who's competing with them directly in the marketplace today? Same story on repeat over and over, and now the Chinese are coming on our soil and investing their money in things like our housing market to screw us over.

      I would sooner believe Putin got involved in our election because he saw the political headwinds in the united states moving towards war and wanted to head it off. Whether that benefits the average joe, which sticking a huge sore thumb in the white house and watching the tantrum the Nationalists make unfold, is irrelevant to him. He wants a table america, becuase you give the ICBM's to a bunch of rednecks who believe the kind of crap this mainstream media peddles, the worlds gone in 24 hours.

      Assange is just a journalist who ticked off a few countries and by the way, you do things like publish correspondance in wartime from the US Military, they might rightfully label you the enemy. That is part of how the game works. The fact the man hasn't been extridited and hung, like Snowden hasn't, is an indication people are watching out for him because what he did was good for the world as a whole.

    5. Re:play with the big boys... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      He did what he always did his whole life - harm America to the best of his ability. Remember cheering for him when he made Bush look bad? Neutral my ass.

      Wikileaks has a 100% record for the truth, unlike the US mainstream media. If your political party can't handle the truth, you have bigger problems. Hillary lost because she rigged the nomination (we know this from Wikileaks) she urged the press to support Trump (we also know from Wikileaks) and we also know the press obeyed (a lasting stain on their reputation).

      Rather than face up to the fact that Hillary Clinton has little appeal outside of Goldman Sachs and whatever the Project for a New American Century is called these days, Democrats have cursed Sanders fans, third-party voters, and non-voters with a hatred usually reserved for vegans. Since they can only imagine their own upper-middle class lives orbiting major urban centers, the loudest Democrats think that everyone who's not exactly like them is a racist, woman-hating cretin, and hope "that they be educated and moved to the vicinity of the major hubs in the northeast and western parts, that they die off [or] that a country would attack the United States and obliterate them." Rather than actually learn anything of substance, Democrats are doing the only thing their politics really involve: sharing and commiserating over an extremely circumscribed set of insipid pop-culture references that flatter them and insulate them from reality. Those leftist critiques of Obama or Clinton that do manage to penetrate this fantasy-world get angrily dismissed as right-wing media conspiracy theories or Kremlin propaganda.

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    6. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point, he's basically a self-declared enemy of the state.

      And that's wrong because...? Everyone on the right should be enemies of the state if they are sincere when they say they want the smallest state they can get. And everyone on the left should be enemies of the state if they are sincere when they say the state is a coercive force of institutionalized patriarchy/heteronormativity/transphobia/islamophobia/ableism/racism.

    7. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and whatever the Project for a New American Century is called these days

      LOL, idiot, how come half the PNAC works for Bigly Leader Trump if that is the case?

    8. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US needs nobody to look bad. US is its best enemy.

    9. Re:play with the big boys... by ph1ll · · Score: 3, Informative

      "That he actively colluded with Russia to screw with US election [has] been pretty well documented."

      Has it? Where?

      I mean there are lots of people expressing their opinion or those of "anonymous sources". But that's not the same thing as being well documented.

      Nowhere near.

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    10. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he's a CIA plant, then what's the problem? Wouldn't he be protected by the CIA if he was ever imprisoned in America for his whistleblowing work?

    11. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm inclined to agree with you, but the implication of that is that the CIA potentially knew Assange was dabbling in statecraft with Russia long before the DNC leaks that Russia passed to him via Nigel Farage for them to bother integrating someone with him so early on in Wikileak's inception.

      If we suspect Domscheit-Berg was a CIA agent then, we must also accept it's likely Assange has been a gullible pawn of the Russians for much longer than we realised. That may be how Assange got the cache of data that Domscheit-Berg destroyed, and that may be why Domscheit-Berg destroyed it.

      The CIA don't have enough agents to put them undercover on low level threats, so there must've been a good reason very early on, well before the collateral murder video for them to place resources on Assange. It's possible the Russians roped him in after his much younger misadventures given he showed a willingness to cause disruption in the West from a young age.

    12. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where? Just in the real world, not RWNJ fantasy land of alt facts.

    13. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question that needs to be asked here is how many secrets is our government really allowed to keep secret?

      In a democracy: none.

      They don't have to call attention to information, but an interested citizen should have the right to audit anything the government does.
      If this is inconvenient for the government because they are doing lots of thing the citizens would not approve of, or because they are acting in bad faith with regard to foreign nations (espionage) that's an indication the government is corrupt and some house cleaning needs to be done.

    14. Re:play with the big boys... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      ...

      What I tell you three times is true. Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll.

      What you are seeing is evidence of that.

      Facts don't matter when discussing Truth. Right? ;)

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    15. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please cry MOAR. Your tears sustain me. Grandpa tears are extra salty.

    16. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I mean there are lots of people expressing their opinion or those of "anonymous sources". But that's not the same thing as being well documented.

      Darn those anonymous sources like the grand jury indictment of Roger Stone. If only that were well documented somewhere. Surely the fact that Roger Stone has never been arrested means these claims are bogus.

    17. Re:play with the big boys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post links. Not opinion pieces. Seriously, even the New York Times admits that there's no publicly available evidence supporting the Trump-Russia collusion story. Do you know better?

  14. ungrateful Ahole by gravewax · · Score: 2

    fuck if I was Ecuador I would throw his ungrateful arse out the door and lock the gate behind him.

    1. Re:ungrateful Ahole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then he ought to be thankful that you are a dumbass wanker yankee teenager posting bullshit on slahdot.

      Bloody shill account.

    2. Re:ungrateful Ahole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to a fat fuck living in his mothers basement like yourself>?

    3. Re:ungrateful Ahole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow Slashdot gets sader all the time, little arsehats like you that think you know what the world is like while living with your mummy. Hint when you grow up you will quickly realise fucking over people, especially those that have helped you it not a recipe for success. Assange is gradually realising that, once upon a time he was fighting the good cause, then he decided to play politics, he deserves no respect or assistance any more.

  15. Trump proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    IMHO, he's a Trump proxy. People would like to prosecute Trump, but him controlling the Dept of Justice, and being protected by Mitch McConnell makes that hard. So they want to prosecute Assange as a proxy.

    He's a bit part player, if the Russians hadn't laundered the data through him, they'd have laundered it a different way.

    The real person to blame here is Mitch McConnell.

    Trump is an Elop figure clearly, he's supposed to dismember the US, hand it over to Putin friendly control, and receive $130 million for licensing the name "Trump" for the Trump Tower Moscow project. And Trump was clearly lying about that project during the election, and now claims he was open about it. That the deal wasn't signed, and then that the fact it was signed doesn't matter. That it was funded by some obscure Russian bank, and then that it was VTB Bank, a sanction Russian bank after running a spy ring from its NY office. Etc. etc. etc.

    Trump is very very obviously an Elop figure.

    *But*, the Senate is the protection against Elop figures, it's Mitch McConnell that's blocking that protection. He's only there to schedule votes, not block Republicans from voting. He's ramped it up a notch now, before he only block the majority votes of the Senate if the Republicans didn't also have a majority. Now he's full on blocking all voting, even from his own party.

    McConnell is to blame here.

    All the evidence coming out, they already knew, McConnell would have known he was dealing with a Russian asset, he's the one cooperating with the dismemberment of the US.

    Elop wouldn't have been able to destroy Nokia and sell its assets cheap to Microsoft for a $20 million bonus, if the board at Nokia had done its job. McConnell is the one not doing his job here.

    1. Re:Trump proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much glue do you have to sniff to tactfully believe any of that drivel is real?

  16. Re:So much anti-Trump propaganda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If ZeroHedge says the sky is blue, it is almost certainly some other colour.

  17. Zerohedge = Daniel Ivandjiiski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this day and age, I'd double check all sources, especially the Bulgarian ones like Zerohedge.

    Assange acting as coordinator with Jerome Corsi, is likely why he should be targetted. He wasn't a passive discloser of information coming his way, rather he was an active conduit between hackers and Trump campaign in the Hacker to Assange to Corsi to Roger Stone chain.

    Corsi is busy pretending his emails detailing the upcoming releases, were not because of his links to Assange, but rather he dreamed it up on a flight to Europe. He's trying a lawsuit as means of avoiding jail time. Using Fox New's "party before country" mentality as a means to avoid prosecution.

    If they go after Assange it is likely to test the other end of the Corsi link.

    IMHO, Assange should deal. He has no dog in this fight. He was at best a bit part player.

    1. Re:Zerohedge = Daniel Ivandjiiski by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are many, many problems with Zerohedge, but the fact that they are Bulgarian isn't one of them.

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    2. Re: Zerohedge = Daniel Ivandjiiski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever wonder how much of our tax money is squandered on domestic propaganda and disinformation operations, such as the post above?

    3. Re: Zerohedge = Daniel Ivandjiiski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very little. The propaganda is done by Hollywood leftists.

    4. Re: Zerohedge = Daniel Ivandjiiski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Very little, the disinformation comes from Mr. Putin and Russian taxpayers, and from gullible Americans at sources like Breitfart and Faux News.

    5. Re:Zerohedge = Daniel Ivandjiiski by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      rather he was an active conduit between hackers and Trump campaign in the Hacker to Assange to Corsi to Roger Stone chain

      That's some stunning schizophrenically delusional conspiracy theorizing, right there!

      Kudos to you sir! Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

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    6. Re: Zerohedge = Daniel Ivandjiiski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soooo, you must be saying that you instantly dismiss Trump, right? Because of all of his grade school insults?

  18. Re:So much anti-Trump propaganda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and you would trust them?

    even putin doesn't trust trump, and he's the one controlling the strings of trump and mcconnell.

  19. Russia has no elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can USA interfere in a mock Russian election?

    Lots of blah blah blah there, but there's no election in Russia.

    1. Re: Russia has no elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what did McFaul and Obama spend those millions for?

  20. That's the definition of whistle-blowing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The covert passing of non-public information about misdeeds (whether legal or illegal, unethical, or just plain embarrassing) to a publishing party for widespread dissemination is exactly what WikiLeaks was founded for, the support of whistle-blowing. It plays a very important part in preserving freedom and democracy, as without it unethical governments descend into tyranny behind closed doors.

    The fact that you don't like this just shows the intolerance that you have for freedom and ethics in government. Snowden demonstrated the importance of whistle-blowing, to immense world-wide acclaim. He legitimized it in the public eye, so trying to paint the role of WikiLeaks as something different to whistle-blowing is attempting to sweep back the tide. It's too late for that, the horse has found freedom and the barn door is wide open.

  21. Russian PR clearinghouse, what could go wrong!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you assist in the grand plans of murderous KGB sh!t gets real.

  22. Focus on the law not the person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secret sealed charges are an abortion and obscenity at law and an insult to jurisprudence.
    If I were UK I would say no extradition until scope of charges disclosed and that's that. A bit like saying we can't extradite if you intend to invoke the death penalty. Can't extradite if a fair trial is not going to occur. The money spent means that is the case. Let Assange go. The US just likes pulling wings off live insects.

  23. Re: Russian PR clearinghouse, what could go wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KGB has been defunct since 1991. Try to keep up with the news, senator McCarthy.

  24. Re: Russian PR clearinghouse, what could go wrong! by johnsie · · Score: 1

    In name only. In case you didn't know, their current president was an KGB agent. Those people are still there and they have even more power than they did before.

  25. Gender vs sex by aepervius · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nature is a bitch. *normal* people are either of two sex : female or male. There is none other. And you cannot change. You can try to surgically "make it look" like you are the other , but this is a make believe, and from what I can see reported, not quite there technologically for a perfect, or even good make believe. That is the unfortunate plain truth for those seeking to switch sex. The other unfortunate truth is that most people do not view intersex as valid dating partner. e.g. if you are male, switch to female, you will msotly not be viewed as female as plain as truth. Most people will be willing to view you as woman , for social purpose, but most would feel attacked in their intimacy if they found out they were cheated on what they expect as sex of their partner (both male and female - male are just more likely to resort to violence). ALl the condition people pretend to bring up as non binary sex are screw up no normal condition. I don't count losing a leg and being one legged as being unipedial new species or unipedial new "Genre" of locomotion. Do you ? Zwitter and other condition are not a third sex, they are malformation. CAIS is OTOH much different. When the Y is deactivated or cells do not respond to testosterone due to receptor being too mutated, the embryo only "sees" the X and thus take the default route of growing a female body. But as meiosis does not work that well for ovaries for a X and Y the ovaries are not only inactive but also in risk of cancer (thus we remove them). But the bottom line is that the thus created female are non differentiable from other female they are basically of the female sex and there is no "photo finish" on that : they are not intersex.

    Gender OTOH is much more fluid and not-so-binary, and gender dysphoria is quite well recognized. It is just that for most people they want to date a female woman or a male man.


    TLR;DR : CAIS are female because the embryo does not see the Y , they are as female as a Xx (broken x), there is only 2 sex in homo sapiens specie but a variety of malformation, gender is fluid but the majority people want to date people with the same sex as their gender.

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    1. Re:Gender vs sex by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Then tell that to the bunch of other arseholes with equally strong opinions that if you have a Y chromosome, you are male, regardless of any other biological factor.

      The sooner people grow up and stop being scared of things being different from when they were children, we'll all be better off.

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    2. Re:Gender vs sex by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      *normal* people are either of two sex

      Around 1.8% of people are born with some intersex characteristics. It's more common than red hair. By your standard people with red hair are abnormal.

      the unfortunate plain truth

      Is that there is no biological standard for male and female in humans. The International Olympic Committee has been trying to come up with one for a century, and has basically given up. Genitalia, chromosomes, hormones, all kinds of stuff. Wikipedia has an article about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      In the end they just decided to categorize people by their testosterone levels because testosterone is what affects performance. Not by sex, even though they call it men's and women's. It's more like performance categories in motor racing.

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    3. Re:Gender vs sex by houghi · · Score: 1

      By your standard people with red hair are abnormal.

      Well, statistically they are. They are outside the norm.

      Also on any other level. They are just pure evil and have no soul.

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    4. Re:Gender vs sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the magnitude is not sign of an anomaly. Red hair people are normal. What you call intersex are abnormal.

    5. Re:Gender vs sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around 1.8% of people are born with some intersex characteristics. It's more common than red hair.

      Difference is, when I look through the list of things that cause intersex characteristics, a good deal of them are linked to health problems like infertility and cancer if left untreated.

      Same cannot be said for having red hair.

    6. Re:Gender vs sex by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Same cannot be said for having red hair.

      I suggest you Google that because it's not true. Red hair can lead to: increased change of getting Parkinsons, and increased risk of melanoma. On a slightly less important, but none the less quality of life issue, redheads are also likely to suffer increased pain sensitivity (anesthesiologists actually use more drugs on redheads for that reason) and increased temperature sensitivity.

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    7. Re:Gender vs sex by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Around 1.8% of people are born with some intersex characteristics. It's more common than red hair. By your standard people with red hair are abnormal.

      People with red hair are abnormal by definition. The problem comes when we assign negativity to abnormality, which every person who clamors against the correct use of the word "abnormal" (including yourself) is contributing to, simply by acting as if the word should have a stigma.

      the unfortunate plain truth

      Is that there is no biological standard for male and female in humans.

      You can look at what is most common, and say that anything outside this is abnormal, without considering it a problem to be corrected. The idea that everyone should be normal is toxic.

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    8. Re:Gender vs sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To get your 1.8% number, you had to define "intersex characteristics" so broadly that a woman with an Adam's Apple, or a man without enough facial hair, is considered "intersex".

      It's like expanding the definition of "transgender" in include people that prefer clothing traditionally associated with the other sex - it's a dishonest attempt to inflate numbers, in order to claim that something rare and unusual is actually common. It's a lie, but people like you propagate it.

    9. Re:Gender vs sex by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      By your standard people with red hair are abnormal.

      We are. The daylight hurts us.

    10. Re:Gender vs sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you Google that because it's not true.

      No, it is very much true, because... get this... I never said red heads have no health risks whatsoever. I was making a relative comparison, but you seem to be treating it as if I'm making an absolute statement (I'm not).

      I'm saying you red heads have relatively less severe as many problems as being intersex.

      You pointing out a few things red heads have to deal with doesn't change that. Intersex people still have to deal with - relatively - more health problems.

    11. Re:Gender vs sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Olympic Committee is not an authority on the subject of Biology. In actual fact, Biology texts and Biologists use the term male and female quite often and seem to have some actual authority on the subject. Something about sperm and egg production. I don't think hairstyle and surgery count to Biologists. Hermaphrodites are truly potent in both realms to a biologist. If a creature does not create viable eggs and sperm then it is NOT a hermaphrodite. Yes, looking at traits results in a conclusion that traits strongly associated with a particular sex are seen in both sexes but this does not bamboozle a Biologist. Egg production. Sperm production. Chromosomal differences. Behavioral role. Those are the things that matter.

      Intersex characteristics (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) don't matter AT ALL. (Do people not know what the roots of words mean anymore)

      There is a Monty Python film where men play women who wear beards to gain admittance to a male only stoning. You would have us incapable of determining their sex.

      Biologists do not care that somebody makes you feel like a natural woman.

    12. Re:Gender vs sex by Dirk+Becher · · Score: 1

      There are still two pretty well distinguishable centroids and just because many people don't hit these centroids exactly doesn't mean you can't assign them to one clearly by taking everything into account and allow for some outliers.
      Sports is a special case because a certain aspect of sex is relevant, the one regarding potential physical performance. Also, it is pretty easy for a woman with moderate physical exercise to overpower unerxercised men, so you voluntarily chose an example where the lines can easily be blurred. A genuine sex change on the other hand that changes so many criteria that it clearly moves you away form one centroid and to the other is much harder to do.

  26. Strange, you changed your tune. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It used to be that the dems hated him for giving out all that "truth" about Hillary. Now he's against your glorious (tm) leader (R), suddenly the Dems want to protect him.

  27. Fake reality from a trumptard? SOP GOP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, the economy was doing better under Obama and the improvements were all under Obama as well who had increased jobs more than trump had and increased the stock market more too.

    Yet you scream BLACK MAN BAD!!!!

    Well he wasn't but that orange shitgobbon you worship as god's second coming is a bad man. And every time it's pointed out you scream holy fuck about it because you are TRIGGERED.

  28. Meanwhileyou forget the anti-hillary stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and how you LOVED him then and how you KNEW that democrats were trying to get himsilenced for it. They hated him them. Now you see them loving him because he's now against YOUR "guy" (for lack of a better word).

    So very able to see hypocrisy in others, ignorant of your own.

    1. Re:Meanwhileyou forget the anti-hillary stuff by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've loved him all along. Both Republican and Democratic leaders need a gadfly who speaks truth to power. Engaging in corrupt, slimy shit that politicians want to keep secret is one of the few bi-partisan activities that everyone participates in in D.C., and guys like Assange should be there to call them on it.

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  29. Re:So much anti-Trump propaganda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Aside from their over use of advertisements (need an adblocker just to read the site) and a high level of pessimism about everything, ZeroHedge is actually an excellent source of news compared to the lame stream media establishments. The fact that it is run by Bulgarians is actually a good thing -- they have a refreshingly different angle on the world than you'd ordinarily get.

  30. Has anyone read Underground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a book about phreaking & hacking. Rather unremarkable except for the fact that a certain Julian Assange was the lead, and only, researcher.

    I suppose the other remarkable thing about it is that it ended up packed so full of shit that they literally had to give it away.

    I've never seen it mentioned anywhere in connection with his name, so I'm starting to wonder if maybe nobody else noticed?

  31. Re:So much anti-Trump propaganda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a fake news site.

  32. He asked for help in public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you don't remember what you don't like to know. trump asked the russians for help. In public. In an address that is still on record.

    Sad.

    1. Re:He asked for help in public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you don't remember what you don't like to know. trump asked the russians for help.

      I'm assuming you're referring to his jab at Hillary about how Russia should try to find the "missing e-mails". He also more-or-less implied during one of his campaign speeches that 2nd amendment activists should shoot her. He also said he could shoot someone and not lose any votes. It's all part of his cavalier don't-give-a-shit image, which has endeared him to his supporters.

  33. Legal Challange against Trump? by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Get in line, Julian.

  34. Easy way out of all this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just tell Trump that getting Assange was Obama's idea.

  35. Re:Liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hillary Clinton was US Secretary of State, a civilian office and not part of any military chain of command. She couldn't order missile strikes on anybody.

  36. Re:So much anti-Trump propaganda... by cordovaCon83 · · Score: 1

    Trump is also for legalizing marijuana. It's his drug czar that's against it. It's not like Trump has the authority to replace officials that disagree with his policies or the power to strongly encourage current officials to follow his policies. Okay, maybe the sarcasm was a bit heavy-handed there. I doubt many sitting presidents have dealt with as much resistance to his policies from other departments as he has. Then again, he makes some pretty outrageous requests.

  37. Losing it by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 2

    The poor guy, six years holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, is probably losing it. In the last couple of years he's been creating enemies for himself needlessly, and this is certainly not going to endear him to Uncle Sam.

  38. Irony Irony Irony by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2
    "The 1,172-page submission by Assange's lawyers calls on the U.S. to unseal any secret charges against him and urges Ecuador to cease its "espionage activities" against him."

    Seriously, a boi that lives on collecting and publishing secret data and is the embodiment of espionage, suing for both of these things is simply delicious.

    Sorry, boi, you lived by espionage - you of all people should cherish Equador's activity. I'm looking forward to your uncovered activities to be published - something you should approve of, amirite?

    Meanwhile enjoy life in the embassy building.

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    1. Re:Irony Irony Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The patriots online right now? You even said it yourself "publish"; or are you too stupid to understand the difference between journalism and espionage?

  39. Anyone remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when Assange said he would turn himself if Chelsea Manning was granted clemency?

    Anyone remember when he didn't after Pres. Obama granted Manning clemency?

  40. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He shouldn't have did those rapes.

  41. Always divided, nothing new here by beer_maker · · Score: 1

    Thank you for a beautiful summation, I am sorry I cannot offer you a mod point.

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  42. A simple question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do these whistle-blowers all tend to run to the same place where traitors and agents of foreign powers go? Assange was blowing the whistle on stuff right up until he was to be held accountable for his method of receiving and vetting the material. He was all for openness of everyones information until it was his own information being threatened. Snowden blew the lid off of US covert signals surveillance techniques and methods, and ran to Russia, supposedly without a copy of the data he provided to a couple of journalists. Cost of living in Russia must be real low since I'm almost certain that all of his finances have been frozen, being a fugitive from the law and all.

    So I guess the question remains. Patriots who blow the whistle on their nations misdeeds all seem to run to national adversaries. Why?

  43. "Legal Challenge Against Trump Administration" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes because they're the evil ones that got upset over all that jazz..er...humm....
    Title should have read "Legal Challenge Against US Administration".
    You lefties never stop taking cheap shots.

  44. Again I mentionned intersex by aepervius · · Score: 1

    People born with *malformation* do not form a *third* sex. They have either neither, both, or a malformation of both or one. e.g. P.A.I.S. can have part teste. But those do not form a new *sex* by definition. It is very binary. They are malformation. Just like having a condition of having surnumerary leg do not make you a different quadrupedal form of human, it makes you a malformed human. THAT is the difference that people which keep bringing up birth malformation don't get. As for red head being a mutation and a mutation of normal hair color, in a way they are. Just like blue eye is a mutation which make the pigment inactive. There is a difference though everybody won't care they are mutation. (well except some : too many urban legend about red head being evil , for some reason I don't get some people hate/fear red head go figure).

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  45. Oh and people don't care about olypimcs by aepervius · · Score: 1

    (most) People on the other hand DO care about getting a gender identical to the sex for dating. Are you trying to tell they are wrong and their taste in sex and dating is wrong ? Funnily that's what conservative says about homosexual - that their sexual preference are disgusting and counter nature. Personally I say as long as it is legal and consenting adult nobody has a right to tell other their belief on who they want to date is wrong. Apparently you think differently ? What do you want to do ? Conversion therapy for all those who see trans-sexual or trans-gender as not their taste ? Because ultimately this is what it boils to. No matter the railing and mockery that some do about not wanting to date a trans person, it all boil down to imposing a sexual preference on others.

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  46. Simple minds simple questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple questions from simple folks. Your phrasing sounds rhetorical to me, so I'm pretty sure you know why and just don't like the answer or don't care. Anyway, those opposition countries are less likely to extradite you. You could very well end up as a pawn or bargaining chip but the risk is worth it unlike fleeing to Canada where they'll just haul you right back across the border.

    Was that a simple enough answer so you can understand?

  47. Losers argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blah blah blah. Your "opinion" amounts to no more than hypocrisy. Have you even read the partisan bullshit you post? This whole narrative of "we all need to work together" that conservatives like yourself (whether you're an R or an L) have been preaching for weeks now, is your new plan to deflect because YOU ARE LOSING.

    I have ZERO fucks to give. CRY MOAR.

  48. FACT: Hillary cheated Bernie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These smart guys already did the math: Odds Hillary Won Without Widespread Fraud: 1 in 77 Billion Say Berkeley, Stanford Studies (If you don't like this link, there are several other copies of this article floating around on the web.)

    The available voting data from the 2016 democratic primary shows significant statistical abnormalities, in the last half of the data, that favor Hillary at the expense of Bernie. It appears that a voting machine exploit was in place in several districts, that only triggered in real time when someone or something detected that Hillary was about to lose to Bernie.

    That's just the election itself. Stepping back in time to the pre-election Hillary vs. Bernie campaign trail, there's also the obvious issues of stealing campaign money from Bernie's campaign, and installing Imran Awan, a Pakistani spy as the IT manager of the DNC's computer network, subverting the DNC 'VAN' computer network that Bernie, a democratic candidate, was forced to use for official campaign business. Meaning that Hillary was secretly in control of the Bernie campaign's network, and even revoked access at one point during his campaign. (We discovered Hillary's DNC network subversion through a Wikileaks publication.) Then we have a secret joint fundraising agreement that DNC bosses signed with Hillary Clinton, giving her nearly full control of the DNC, BEFORE she was nominated. (alternate link.)

    If that's too technical for you, then let me remind you that, defending against the DNC fraud lawsuit, a DNC lawyer Bruce Spiva said in court: "We could have voluntarily decided that, 'Look, we're gonna go into the back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way." This is in reference to the whole Hillary-biased democrat super-delegate debacle that was all over the news at the time. Hillary bribed those super-delegates with laundered money through one of her crooked 'charities' to secure her nomination over Bernie.

    This is just the easily cited stuff Hillary's done to screw Bernie. I'm not saying that Hillary's crimes only include screwing Bernie, or that Bernie's a perfect candidate. And I sure as hell didn't vote for Trump.