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Boeing's First Autonomous Air Taxi Flight Ends In Fewer Than 60 Seconds (cnn.com)

Boeing has completed the first flight of its autonomous air taxi Tuesday at a small airport outside Washington, D.C. "The flight lasted less than a minute, according to Boeing, and it didn't actually go anywhere," reports CNN. "Instead, it hovered above the runway. Boeing declined to share how high above the ground it flew." From the report: But Boeing is hailing the achievement as a milestone for its NeXt division, which develops autonomous airplanes. The flying car prototype is 30 feet long and 28 feet wide. It's designed to fly up to 50 miles at a time. Boeing and its competitors such as Airbus are betting that small, self-flying airplanes -- technically dubbed electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) -- will revolutionize transportation, especially in urban areas. Boeing believes the vehicles, more commonly referred to as air taxis or flying cars, will be a solution to traffic congestion.

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  1. and costs.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 meellion dollars

  2. A realistic take on "flying cars" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is certainly better than the likes of the Moller. Safer and will get the rich off the road so us commoners can get to work on our self driving road cars.

    1. Re: A realistic take on "flying cars" by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not a "flying car" if it's three lanes wide and as long as a bus.

    2. Re: A realistic take on "flying cars" by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      It's not a "flying car" if it's three lanes wide and as long as a bus.

      SUPERsize me! It's for those quick trips to McDonalds!

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    3. Re: A realistic take on "flying cars" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride! Canyonero! Canyonero!

  3. Finally by DMJC · · Score: 3, Funny

    Living in The Future!

    1. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up and give me my flying car!

      O wait....

  4. WTF? by eminencja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't why Boeing is doing this but I don't believe that "Boeing believes the vehicles, more commonly referred to as air taxis or flying cars, will be a solution to traffic congestion." Imagine that half of the cars in LA lift off... Reminds me of a comedy where a party secretary takes a taxi ride in Moscow(?) and wonders why so many people crowd at bus stops. "They could all be riding taxis comfortably" says he.

    1. Re:WTF? by Zorpheus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is a solution to traffic congestion for the people who can afford to fly, not for the peasants stuck in traffic

    2. Re:WTF? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      They obviously feel some billionaire suckers in the ME will pay them enough to make the development worth it.

      No western city is going to allow this.

    3. Re:WTF? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      No western city is going to allow this.

      They'll sell a shedload of them in Dubai, etc., where things like this are the equivalent of a US citizen owning the latest iPhone.

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    4. Re:WTF? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      No western city is going to allow this.

      Of course cities are not going to simply allow it . . . they are going to lucratively license it.

      Want to putter about in your flying car . . . ? Fine, just pay $1 million for your flying permit. The high price will keep the riff raff out of the skies. $1 million is chump change for seriously rich folks.

      Ordinary folks aren't going to be car flying from JFK to Manhattan . . . any more than they take a helicopter shuttle from JFK to Manhattan, which is already available today.

      Too expensive. Playground for the super-rich.

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    5. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, it won't be half - at most it will be about 1% - sort of like airborne pay-lanes.

    6. Re:WTF? by nukenerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is a solution to traffic congestion for the people who can afford to fly

      Exactly, and it is a solution for them only if there are only very few of them. There is plenty of space in the air, but there will never be plenty of landing places in cities (or anywhere else that the "congestion" is headed for) and those will be the bottlenecks. These things will be queueing up for ages waiting for their turn on the landing pad.

    7. Re: WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt this is the logic people use when they decide how to commute. If they try to get the perfect parking space and base their commute on such an idea it might increase the likelihood of getting the perfect space but if the lot is empty every commute takes you to the perfect spot

    8. Re:WTF? by skam240 · · Score: 2

      "There is plenty of space in the air, but there will never be plenty of landing places in cities (or anywhere else that the "congestion" is headed for) and those will be the bottlenecks."

      You didn't read the post closely enough. They're designing them to be VTOL vehicles, Vertical Take Off and Land. Any parking spot will do if the autopilot they are creating for these things is reliable enough

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    9. Re:WTF? by GoTeam · · Score: 1

      Well, not every parking spot. The "flying taxis" are 30ft x 30ft.

    10. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call it the CEOMobile. And I will wait until there are quite a few of them shuttling the C-Levels around before releasing my remote takeover hack for them... Watch out below!

    11. Re:WTF? by Hodr · · Score: 1

      So a section on the top of every parking garage and most large buildings to provide last-mile transport to work.

      My company has shuttles that bring people in from a couple of different park and rides outside of the city. Probably because they don't want to pay to expand the parking facility and also because people sitting on their way to work instead of driving might start working before they sit at their desks and clock in.

      If these were cheap enough I could see compenies like mine providing a shuttle air-taxi service.

    12. Re:WTF? by es330td · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been near a helicopter? I used to have a job that required I be transported by helicopter. A pretty substantial area around the take off/landing spot is required for one. I think you grossly underestimate the space needed for this.

    13. Re:WTF? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't why Boeing is doing this but I don't believe that "Boeing believes the vehicles, more commonly referred to as air taxis or flying cars, will be a solution to traffic congestion."

      Especially since air taxis and flying cars are two different things. This is clearly an airplane, and what's more, it's not even roadable. There's absolutely nothing "car" about it. What a shit show.

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    14. Re:WTF? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      So a section on the top of every parking garage and most large buildings to provide last-mile transport to work.

      Indeed. Helipads are already common on many buildings, and many more could be built. There will be no shortage of landing spots.

      I don't think these will be only for "the rich". During rush hour, it can take me 90 minutes to go from San Jose to Palo Alto, and 2 hours to SFO. If I could take an air taxi for $100, I would.

      These aircraft are electric and non-polluting, and getting even a few percent of traffic off the roads can reduce congestion and benefit everyone.

    15. Re:WTF? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I don't think these will be only for "the rich". During rush hour, it can take me 90 minutes to go from San Jose to Palo Alto, and 2 hours to SFO. If I could take an air taxi for $100, I would.

      If you can afford to pay $500 a week ($24,000 a year) just to speed up your commute- many people on here would consider you rich.

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    16. Re:WTF? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been near a helicopter?

      Yup. Ridden in them hundreds of times. Marine infantry.

      The downdraft is considerable, but the many small rotors on these aircraft produce less than a single big rotor on a conventional helicopter. They are also much lighter, and need less lift.

      But a conventional parking lot shared with cars is not going to work. They will need dedicated pads.

    17. Re:WTF? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If you can afford to pay $500 a week ($24,000 a year) just to speed up your commute- many people on here would consider you rich.

      My regular commute is from my bedroom to my office downstairs. About 50 feet.

      But I do have to travel to Palo Alto a few times a month, and to SF and SFO occasionally. $100 to save two hours would be worth it, especially since gas and parking for a conventional car is going to cost me anyway.

    18. Re:WTF? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Removing a rich person's car from traffic also improves traffic congestion for the people left behind. It's like opening a new checkout lane at the supermarket - the first people who get into the new lane get a substantial speed boost, but the long-term benefit is an equal speedup across all lanes. The areas with the worst traffic tend to be urban areas, making it unviable to solve by expanding the size of the road. So any solution to improving traffic there involves removing cars from the road. Whether that's done by carpooling (encouraged by carpool lanes), making the road a double-deck, or flying cars, it all results in the same thing. The first people who get to use the new lanes get a boost in their travel speed. Until more people get to use the new lanes, and their traffic speed lowers and eventually converges with that of regular lanes. (Once it converges there's no more incentive to use the new lanes vs the old - carpool lanes are running into this problem as in California they're typically 1/4 or 1/5 of the road area, and more than 1/5 or 1/4 of the cars now qualify to use the carpool lane).

      I'm extremely skeptical of this idea. The additional energy loss of flight compared to wheels is enormous. Likewise, the risk of injury/death due to falling from altitude is substantially higher. But I can see the attraction of the idea. There's a lot more space in the air. And since there are no physical roads, any traffic flow is regulated by virtual boundaries which you can change on a whim, instead of having them fixed like they are on a road. It's like a zipper road taken to the extreme.

    19. Re:WTF? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      "There is plenty of space in the air, but there will never be plenty of landing places in cities (or anywhere else that the "congestion" is headed for) and those will be the bottlenecks."

      You didn't read the post closely enough. They're designing them to be VTOL vehicles, Vertical Take Off and Land. Any parking spot will do ...h

      You have obviously never seen London, which is what I am thinking of, and which has few open spaces available. FTFA : "30 feet long and 28 feet wide" - no normal "parking spot" is going to take that, nor are most existing flat roofs on office buildings (which are often far from flat) going to take the weight without re-inforcement. There are some places, but by the time you have unloaded what sounds like at least a couple of dozen passengers there is going to be a bottleneck queue for the helipad unless this scheme is only for millionaires.

    20. Re:WTF? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been near a helicopter?

      Yup. Ridden in them hundreds of times. Marine infantry.

      The downdraft is considerable, but the many small rotors on these aircraft produce less than a single big rotor on a conventional helicopter. They are also much lighter, and need less lift.

      But a conventional parking lot shared with cars is not going to work. They will need dedicated pads.

      Having many smaller rotors won't matter - the force and work involved are all pegged to the mass of the craft. Have you seen the size and shape of these things? They'll require wider clearances than a standard chopper.

    21. Re:WTF? by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      It can hover and drop off the passengers in a drop pod. There's no need for it to fully stop there.

    22. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A fair response. Being able to stack cars at altitude is a big game changer. Computers could stack the long-haul traffic higher to gain even more efficiencies, with fewer chances for collisions. Safety is the key here. Are they reliable enough to not fall out of the air suddenly? I'm not looking for 100%, but it is going to need to be very high if people are going to trust them. That said, there are idiots that let their Tesla drive them into barriers and such.

    23. Re:WTF? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Having many smaller rotors won't matter

      Multiple small counter-rotating vortices will dissipate more easily than one big vortex.

      The symmetrical shape will allow the landing "pads" to be bowl shaped, directing the draft upward and outward, while the enclosed ground effect reduces the needed lift. The aerodynamics works out very well.

      They'll require wider clearances than a standard chopper.

      Not at all. A Huey has a rotor diameter of 48 feet, and an overall length of 57 feet. This new aircraft is way smaller.

    24. Re:WTF? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      We could have the 1% flying around cities, and the 99% traveling in tunnels, like Verne's Eloi and Morlocks.

    25. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you ever go to the Palo Alto Creamery or YAYOI?

    26. Re:WTF? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      No western city is going to allow this.

      They already allow helicopter shuttles. How is this different?

    27. Re:WTF? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Modern Helipads are rarely on the building top. Winds are typically too high.

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    28. Re:WTF? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Do you ever go to the Palo Alto Creamery or YAYOI?

      Yes, I have been to both. My wife used to work in Palo Alto, near Stanford, so I have eaten lunch in most restaurants along University Ave.

    29. Re:WTF? by skam240 · · Score: 1

      I have seen London and poor parking situation aside I feel like if these VTROL vehicles do somehow become a staple means of transportation finding a way to briefly land them won't be a major obstacle. This of all things is not the big thing holding back air taxis'.

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  5. 2D Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    autonomous vehicles can barely handle 2 dimensional space... and people think we're ready to tackle the intricacies of safely navigating 3D space? good grief, flying is not even remotely similar to driving a car. You need to worry about your airspeed, generating enough lift to safely take off, fly and land, you need to worry about wing-loading during turns, the vehicle would need to be able to interpret the way the wind 'feels' against the control surfaces when flying in order to judge what's going on, lest the aircraft fall from the sky... this is not the best way of doing this....If anything, an autonomous aero-stat would be safer. no aerodynamic forces to worry about, and it's slow... but even then...

    1. Re:2D Space by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      autonomous vehicles can barely handle 2 dimensional space... and people think we're ready to tackle the intricacies of safely navigating 3D space? good grief, flying is not even remotely similar to driving a car. You need to worry about your airspeed, generating enough lift to safely take off, fly and land, you need to worry about wing-loading during turns, the vehicle would need to be able to interpret the way the wind 'feels' against the control surfaces when flying in order to judge what's going on, lest the aircraft fall from the sky... this is not the best way of doing this....If anything, an autonomous aero-stat would be safer. no aerodynamic forces to worry about, and it's slow... but even then...

      Drones have been flying a lot longer than they have been driving and they are actually pretty good at it these days. I still wouldn't get in one and let it fly in close proximity to loads of other ones though.

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    2. Re:2D Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "pretty good at it these days", yes, they have gotten better. But the crash rates are still dismal when compared to human-operated ones. The tech just isn't there yet, and nobody should think about getting in one just yet...

    3. Re:2D Space by es330td · · Score: 1

      Drones have been flying a lot longer than they have been driving and they are actually pretty good at it these days.

      The problem with using drones as a comparison is scale. At their weight, the standard drones people think about can perform feats of maneuverability that are amazing. Scaled to the size and weight required to transport a single human the realities of physics look very different. As a simple example, think about dropping an ant. An ant is one mm thick. A fall from one foot above the ground is ~300 mm or 300 times its height. The ant will survive this fall and walk away. A person is roughly one foot thick lying down. Dropped from 300 feet above the ground the outcome for the human will be very, very different.

    4. Re:2D Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drones don't have to be on the look out for ladies on bikes unexpectedly darting out in front of them at 3000 ft altitude.

      Well, I mean, I suppose that could happen, but there would probably be other causes for concern in that case.

    5. Re:2D Space by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The woman that was killed wasn't on the bike, she was walking the bike, and she didn't "dart" out in front of anything.
      She jaywalked, and should have fucking looked to see if it was clear, but the car should have seen her and stopped, and the human driver should have seen her and stopped. The video they released was doctored bullshit, and it has been proven many times over that the area is well lit and visibility is good at night.

    6. Re:2D Space by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      There are large drones out there. Some are developed with enough capacity to carry humans, such as the ElectraFly.

    7. Re:2D Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate you bye-cyclists more than liberal homofags, pinko russian commies , or goosesteppin nazi chanks. Go play in traffic.

    8. Re:2D Space by es330td · · Score: 1

      Electrafly is an idea, currently designed to carry a single person exposed to the elements in a large quadcopter with exposed blades. When a person can buy one of these approved by the FAA we can talk. I believe that most of the people discussing this particular near fantasy have little actual knowledge of flight. Safety is heavy and/or expensive. There is no way to make this affordable, safe and functional concurrently.

    9. Re:2D Space by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Funny how your argument changed from the physics won't work to regulators haven't approve it.

      Safety is heavy and/or expensive. There is no way to make this affordable, safe and functional concurrently.

      You have no idea what you're talking about. Aviation is expensive because of the regulatory overhead. Plenty of car engines last as long as aviation piston engines, but the ones approved by the FAA costs 5 times as much.

      Safety on the other hand, is not expensive at all. The vast majority of accidents are pilot-related.

      Here's the leading causes of accidents for GA:
      1. Loss of Control Inflight
      2. Controlled Flight Into Terrain
      3. System Component Failure – Powerplant
      4. Fuel Related
      5. Unknown or Undetermined
      6. System Component Failure – Non-Powerplant
      7. Unintended Flight In IMC
      8. Midair Collisions
      9. Low-Altitude Operations
      10. Other

      Only system failures cannot be avoided by better trained and more safety-conscious pilots. So instead of spending tens of thousands on pilot training, you improve safety much more by replacing them with computers. Why? Because a computer won't accidentally stall a plane. It won't fly itself into the ground. It won't forget to check the amount of fuel it needs. It won't intentionally fly into bad weather. It can constantly scan for other aircraft. And it certainly won't be scud-running.

    10. Re:2D Space by es330td · · Score: 1

      I was responding to a specific response about the ElectraFly. Physics is still the problem because it is inefficient to lift mass off the ground, and substantially more inefficient to lift it straight up than horizontally like an airplane. A Cessna 172 weighing 1700 lbs gets the rough mpg equivalent of 14 mpg, a Robinson R22 helicopter around 8 mpg. A Honda Civic weighing 2700 lbs gets 32 mpg.

      I said nothing about the cost of regulation. Any person owning one of these is unlikely to be satisfied with traveling in the quadcopter equivalent of an ultralight and will instead expect some kind of enclosed pod in which to sit to protect them and their designer clothes from rain, cold, etc. This pod will either be aluminum and heavy, like an airplane, or carbon fiber, which is expensive and still 2/3 the weight of aluminum. Now the vehicle must carry the person plus the weight of the pod. It won't have any creature comforts like heating or air conditioning or if it does, those add weight. My point is that everything added to transporting anything more than just the person adds weight, which then requires more upward force so by extension, a more powerful engine and more fuel.

      The flying car problem, imho, bears similarity to the tyranny of the rocket equation. Physics is unwavering. The problems are not insurmountable but they are way harder than most think to create a solution that anybody will actually want to use beyond its novelty value.

  6. The race is on !: Fusion or Flying Cars or ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...Long File Paths in WIndows File Explorer.

    Which will we have first ?!

    1. Re:The race is on !: Fusion or Flying Cars or ... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      ...Long File Paths in WIndows File Explorer.

      Which will we have first ?!

      Duke Nukem Forever.

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    2. Re:The race is on !: Fusion or Flying Cars or ... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      DNF

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    3. Re:The race is on !: Fusion or Flying Cars or ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Long File Paths in WIndows File Explorer.

      Which will we have first ?!

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  7. Yes, what could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thousands of flying vehicles weighing tons, flying above houses, roads and pedestrians, what could go wrong?
    The problem is OVERPOPULATION. As simple as that. And allowing developers to build thousands of houses where there is already congestion on the roads.

  8. That's what we need by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    28 feet wide cars.

    1. Re:That's what we need by radja · · Score: 2

      at least that width makes sure they will not be allowed on roads, so no parking your flying vehicle close to the shop.

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    2. Re:That's what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not to mention more noise pollution.
      its obscene (criminal) the noise jets make over large swaths of most cities.

      I honestly hope for $20 / gallon gas simply to reduce the flights people take

    3. Re:That's what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      28 feet wide cars.

      It's as big as a whale! And about to set sail!

  9. But A Kardashian Was Flying The Prototype by dryriver · · Score: 1

    Its a revolution in air travel!!!

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  10. Who does this benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    - not the average Joe
    - not the energy crisis
    - not climate change
    - yes: the top .1 percent in their mission to destroy everyone else

    1. Re:Who does this benefit by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't certain forms of flying be more efficient than car travel? If you optimize lift and speed, and go over a reasonable distance, it could work. The problem usually is that pilots are specialists in short supply. Autonomous flying could remove that problem. Of course, I expect Norway to solve this first, though.

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    2. Re: Who does this benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, lifting a ton or more hundreds of feet into the air and keeping it there for an hour or so is definitely not more efficient than driving.

    3. Re:Who does this benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Flying across country in a large aircraft is more efficient than all those people driving their cars across country. Problem is, all those people taking a bus across country is more efficient still. Have them take a train, and it's yet more efficient. Turns out gravity is a bitch.

    4. Re: Who does this benefit by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Driving involves rolling resistance losses and also longer distances due to road layout. The Airbus e-Fan had apparently electricity consumption of 18 kWh/100 km, roughly similar to contemporary electric vehicles - except at a cruise speed of 160 km/h, which is way faster than what an 18 kWh/100 km electric vehicle could achieve. Apparently a Model S at 160 km/h reaches over 40 kWh/100 km of power consumption.

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    5. Re: Who does this benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does this need to be said on this planet?

    6. Re:Who does this benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could say the same for almost any invention. At one time only the rich could afford a car. At one time only the rich could afford to send their children to school. At one time only the rich could afford a telephone, or record player, or almost anything ever invented.

    7. Re: Who does this benefit by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It should not be said because it's not clear that it's even generally true.

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  11. George Jetson here we come! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So much better to have the skies cluttered with self flying aircraft, drones, and such then on our highways. What could possibly go wrong??

  12. It's a first test flight by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Literally, topic. "Ends in fewer than 60 seconds" implies some kind of a failure with test flight. Most of the first test flight for rotary wing aircraft is literally take off within ground effect, see that it hovers successfully and land.

    The point being that if there's unforeseen point of failure, uncontrolled crash would not be catastrophic from that height.

    1. Re:It's a first test flight by dryriver · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know some people who tried to build their own helicopter. The first test flight was about 1 minute of hovering in place about 3 feet off the ground. Why? Because a) nobody wants to destroy/crash a prototype that took years to put together by taking it up to 300 feet the first tame it takes off, b) there is a risk of killing or injuring the test pilot without doing a first careful "hover at minimal altitude" test and c) even that 60 seconds of hovering gives you some sense of how the aircraft and mechanical components of it behave when it is no longer sitting on hard ground. Once the data gathered is analyzed, you might do a test flight where you hover 10 to 20 feet above ground. This is not a car where, at worst, you slam on the brakes and the thing stops. Aircraft get severely damaged when they fall from high altitudes. So just about everyone starts with a brief, careful hover test.

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    2. Re:It's a first test flight by coofercat · · Score: 1

      How's any of that going to make any sort of clickbait?

      If it had had some flame throwers and maybe some lasers, preferably some blockchain and maybe a raspberry pi or two in a 'supercomputer' cluster, then it could have made for some good headlines. As it is, "early test works out okay" is pretty boring.

    3. Re:It's a first test flight by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I've got nothing. You win.

      Let's weep for journalism together.

    4. Re:It's a first test flight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearly useless. Ground air cushion.

    5. Re:It's a first test flight by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Says the AC that has never built an aircraft.

      1) It is called "ground effect", not "ground air cushion".

      2) My first flight was a hop in ground effect down the runway. It provided valuable lessons in the handling characteristics at the moment the wheels left the ground. Extensive taxi runs had already allowed to get used to the ground handling.

      3) The short hop gave me an idea of the control authority (and that I HAD control authority), while I was in a situation to just pull power and land straight ahead.

      4) The hop was followed by a trip straight back to the hangar to verify that everything was still mechanically sound. There is no difference of the stress on the wings from a hop in ground effect and straight-n-level flight. A hop allowed me to apply those stresses and then confirm that nothing mechanical went awry. (I didn't expect anything to go awry, but better to check.)

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  13. where do they all land? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Vancouver where the current policy is to fill in all open parking lots and put urban gardens on the tops of all the buildings (to prove that densification can be green.) Policies that I'm sure are being implemented in other cities. So, where are all, or any, of these flying cars with the foot print of a two car garage going to be able to put down, land or park in even small numbers. And, if you do manage to set aside some space for them to land, drop someone off and pick another up, that will become the new congestion point. Don't hang about there on the ground when the batteries start running out of juice.

    1. Re:where do they all land? by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Funny

      It doesn't land. You fast rope out of it and hit the ground running

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    2. Re:where do they all land? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I shudder to think how you get on.

    3. Re:where do they all land? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I shudder to think how you get on.

      You climb up a rope ladder as its flying away into the sunset like bond or some shit

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  14. Failed experiment, not autonomous flight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, this is what you would refer to as a failed experiment, or possibly just an experiment, rather than actual autonomous flight. You can't just roll up some materials and an engine and call it autonomous flight because it hovers above the ground.

    1. Re:Failed experiment, not autonomous flight by mrvan · · Score: 1

      Wait, you're saying that if I put a brick on my accelerator and jump out of the car it's not doing autonomous driving? :)

  15. Re: pretending not to feel it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are just telling us what they think we want to hear there in the article. Not responsible reporting. Nobody wants to make it more complicated.

  16. So obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real answer is to stop people travelling insane distances and lengths of time for everyday schooling, work, shopping , whatever.
    Having everyone travelling 3 hours or more everyday for these destinations obviously doesn’t scale that’s why big cities are gridlocks,

    The answer to solving congestion is to not require these travels. It would appear the faster the transport instead of cutting times down , the distances increase even further hence the result of grid lock and hours of traffic.

    As a simple example why do so many kids need to ride a car , bus etc to school, why can’t they simply walk to school around the corner like everyone else did not that long ago. The argument that they are going to a better school can’t be true, every kid can’t be going to a better school than their closest one.

    1. Re:So obvious by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 1

      The real answer is to stop people travelling insane distances and lengths of time for everyday schooling, work, shopping , whatever. Having everyone travelling 3 hours or more everyday for these destinations obviously doesn’t scale that’s why big cities are gridlocks,

      The answer to solving congestion is to not require these travels. It would appear the faster the transport instead of cutting times down , the distances increase even further hence the result of grid lock and hours of traffic.

      As a simple example why do so many kids need to ride a car , bus etc to school, why can’t they simply walk to school around the corner like everyone else did not that long ago. The argument that they are going to a better school can’t be true, every kid can’t be going to a better school than their closest one.

      You must never have lived outside a city or lived in small town USA. Growing up in northwest Illinois pretty much REQUIRES you to ride many miles on a bus just to GET TO the "closest" school.,

    2. Re:So obvious by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You must never have lived outside a city or lived in small town USA. Growing up in northwest Illinois pretty much REQUIRES you to ride many miles on a bus just to GET TO the "closest" school.,

      You aren't kidding. Years ago I worked in Northwest Ohio. Flat as a board, and mostly rural.

      Asking directions from locals, you'd get a "Drive down to Bryan, take a left and then a little ways down the road from there."

      Their "little ways down the road" was something like 50 miles.

      I write all this off to people not thinking that others might live in a different environment. People in SoCal can't understand that here in the soggy Northeast, we often have too much water. People in urban environments think everyone wants to live like they do. Farmers the same - although I find the typical farmer a lot more astute than the typical urbanite.

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  17. Clumsy but necessary by twdorris · · Score: 1

    It's a clumsy first step, but a step in the right direction nonetheless. The fact that we're still moving about on the freaking wheel some several thousands of years after its "invention" makes me shake my head a little.

    1. Re:Clumsy but necessary by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The fact that we're still moving about on the freaking wheel some several thousands of years after its "invention" makes me shake my head a little.

      That's just one of the 6 types of simple machines - and every more complex machine is built from simple ones. That semi-drone that Boeing is building has a lot of wheels in it.

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    2. Re:Clumsy but necessary by twdorris · · Score: 1

      That semi-drone that Boeing is building has a lot of wheels in it.

      Not following. I didn't suggest annoyance at the presence of round things loosely called "wheels". I was referring to "moving about on" wheels as the primary means of propulsion. We can't make big things without small things or big advances without small advances. But to still be rolling around on rubber versions of the original stone things from a few thousand years ago does suggest some stagnation in our mindset.

    3. Re:Clumsy but necessary by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      That semi-drone that Boeing is building has a lot of wheels in it.

      Not following. I didn't suggest annoyance at the presence of round things loosely called "wheels". I was referring to "moving about on" wheels as the primary means of propulsion. We can't make big things without small things or big advances without small advances. But to still be rolling around on rubber versions of the original stone things from a few thousand years ago does suggest some stagnation in our mindset.

      So what machine would you suggest? Mere time of use doesn't equate obsolescence - at least for me. Wheeled vehicles can be remarkably efficient. They are also pretty forgiving of failure, whch my personal experience with drones shows they are remarkably unforgiving. A wheeled vehicle can roll to a stop if say the engine quits. That drone? Engine faileure turns it into a rock.

      Even this semi-drone looks like a failure wouldn't be instantly fatal, but last time I was in the heart of a city, landing spots were few for a vehicle with a short glide path.

      It isn't standing in the way of technology, its just not very practical.

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  18. That's not a flying car should look like by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 2

    THIS is how a flying car should look like dammit
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/...
    and should sound like this
    http://paulweb.org/Pweb%20back...
    anything else is just an airplane :(

  19. This has all been tried before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's no different than the wildass experiments that were failed pipe dreams of the 50s and 60s. We will never have fully autonomous anything. Might as well invest the resources elsewhere, 'AI' is a fantasy.

  20. The pilot is not the expensive part of flying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why are we trying to get rid of the pilot?

    1. Re:The pilot is not the expensive part of flying by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 1

      why are we trying to get rid of the pilot?

      on long flights sure, but these sound like puddle jumpers which would be like 10 minute commuter flights and if there are dozens per city/area then finding qualified pilots start becoming harder and harder the more planes you have in the air and I would kind of trust a computer to fly me than a 18 year old named Jake who flies for both uber and lyft constantly looking down at his/her smartphone for directions. just saying :)

    2. Re:The pilot is not the expensive part of flying by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Energy is the expensive part of flying. The tunnels aren't ready yet, though.

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    3. Re:The pilot is not the expensive part of flying by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Energy is the expensive part of flying.

      So is the noise. Flying quietly will be a hell of a trick

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  21. Sigh! by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    Flying cars, as generally understood, should meet the following requirements:

    1. No wings, or externally-visible propellers.

    2. Able to hover, effortlessly, almost quietly, indefinitely.

    3. Complete maneuverability at very low speeds.

    4. Affordable - the LAPD should be able to have a fleet, and even down-on-his-luck detective like Rick Deckard, or a greasy Korben Dallas could afford one.

    5. Relatively inexpensive to run.

    6. Generally quiet.

    With current technologies, we probably can't meet any of those requirements. With any reasonably foreseeable technologies, we can't meet most of those requirements. Flying cars will remain a pipe dream for decades to come, maybe even centuries. In fact, it may turn out to be the case that they will never make sense. In the meantime, we'll have announcements about ridiculous contraptions every so often, which will get very little to no traction at all.

    1. Re:Sigh! by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Buy a horse.

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    2. Re:Sigh! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Flying cars, as generally understood, should meet the following requirements:

      Why?

      Eventually yes, but I'd settle for:

      1) Practical to drive on the road.
      2) Able to fly.

      That's all it really needs to be in the broadest sence. If it's capable of driving on the road but not practical that would be a roadable aircraft.

      Boeing's offering however meets none of the above definitions.

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    3. Re:Sigh! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Should buy a pig. They can fly now... And the lipstick option makes it go faster.

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    4. Re:Sigh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flying cars, as generally understood, should meet the following requirements:

      ...

      6. Generally quiet.

      Why?

      Consider the noise that one helicopter makes. Now consider the skies swarming with tens of thousands of them. If that's the future of urban transport, then someone fetch me my MANPADS.

  22. PR Fail by monkeyxpress · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I don't know who Boeing had in charge of PR for this story, but they need to find someone new. With these sorts of 'news' stories (advertisements), no reporter goes out and writes a story. What happens is that Boeing writes the story and issues a press release. The various media outlets will then take the press release, get some automated script or the intern to mangle a few names and all the units of measure, and then stick it on their website for a couple of hours. Someone must have messed up the original press release so someone in the pipeline slapped a 'you won't believe what happens next' headline on the story. This is why good PR people charge a lot of money.

    For a comparison see the press release Airbus did a few years back on the A350 wing bend test. In this test they do ultimately bend the wing until it snaps (to check their simulations of this point), but someone at Airbus media relations realised that this would not be a very good story to send out (new A350 wing snaps like twig) so they changed it to saying 'this is why you don't have to ever worry about a wing snapping'. They then showed pictures of an extremely bend (but not broken) wing with a whole media release explaining why this demonstrates how safe the aircraft is. Good move by someone.

  23. No fly near my house and Ballistic tragectory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does one register to make damn sure none of this shit flies anywhere near my house, or have any kind of ballistics that could make it land on my house.

    No thankyou boeing (or anyone else for that matter).

    1. Re:No fly near my house and Ballistic tragectory by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      You can't in the US. You have no control of the airspace starting at 500ft above your land. That's above your land, not your house. I can come do aerobatics at 700ft above your house. (I won't. That'd be stupid. But, it would be legal.)

      Unlike most of the flying car abortions of logic I've seen, this looks like it has actual wings. Once it exceeds stall speed, you're house will be very safe.

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    2. Re:No fly near my house and Ballistic tragectory by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The FAA will not like your sub 1000ft AGL aerobatics. Not generally enforced is not the same as legal.

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  24. What happens by rossdee · · Score: 1

    when an autonomous air taxi meets a delivery drone, or a large burd?

  25. 'Autonomous air car'? Oh, hell no! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't set foot in a 'driverless car' I have no direct control over, why the ever-loving fuck would I trust some half-assed excuse for AI to fly me somewhere? I can't think of a more terrifying experience. Why would ANYONE think this is a good idea? Human pilot ONLY, please. Or better yet just forget the whole thing.

  26. Re:pretending not to feel it by J053 · · Score: 1

    I think your bot is broken.

  27. 2 stage? by philmarcracken · · Score: 1

    Would it be feasible instead to have a 2 stage vehicle? The regular electric car and the osprey design for the flying housing that it drives into. The housing has enough capacity to fly itself around without the car, but with one it needs to draw from the cars battery.

    If only to avoid a pile up of housings on one side of town and none left on the other, they can fly back on their own.