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State of Emergency Declared in Washington State Over Measles Outbreak (cbsnews.com)
An anonymous reader quotes CBS News:
The governor of Washington state declared a state of emergency Friday over a measles outbreak that has sickened dozens of people in a county with one of the state's lowest vaccination rates. Gov. Jay Inslee said in a statement that the outbreak in Clark County "creates an extreme public health risk" that could spread throughout the state...
Clark County Public Health has confirmed 30 measles cases since January 1 and identified another nine suspected cases. Twenty-six of the confirmed cases were people who were not immunized for measles, the agency said... Only 77.4 percent of all public students there complete their vaccinations, according to state records cited by the Oregonian...Most of the confirmed cases -- 21 -- were with children between 1 and 10 years old. Eight cases involved people 11 to 18 years old, and one case was someone 19 to 29.
Time magazines also reports that authorities in the neighboring states of Oregon and Idaho "have issued warnings to residents."
In November the World Health Organization warned that measles cases worldwide had jumped more than 30% from 2016 to 2017, according to AFP, "in part because of children not being vaccinated."
Clark County Public Health has confirmed 30 measles cases since January 1 and identified another nine suspected cases. Twenty-six of the confirmed cases were people who were not immunized for measles, the agency said... Only 77.4 percent of all public students there complete their vaccinations, according to state records cited by the Oregonian...Most of the confirmed cases -- 21 -- were with children between 1 and 10 years old. Eight cases involved people 11 to 18 years old, and one case was someone 19 to 29.
Time magazines also reports that authorities in the neighboring states of Oregon and Idaho "have issued warnings to residents."
In November the World Health Organization warned that measles cases worldwide had jumped more than 30% from 2016 to 2017, according to AFP, "in part because of children not being vaccinated."
What could possibly go wrong?
It would be a good beginning.
The bitch has thousands on her conscience.
Seriously. Round up these anti vaxxers and dump them in a mass grave with all the mad cows.
If you are stupid enough to be antivax, then nature will take your children away.
30 cases in 26 days in a State of 7.4 million people is a state of emergency?
Exactly. It would make so much more sense to wait, and let the situation spiral out of control before acting.
Hopefully, the energy from this outcry can be harnessed to push for better education about vaccines in areas where superstition and ignorance have lead to such a circumstance.
Actually, Clark County is in the middle of Washington's opium country. Don't trust those vaccinations made by 'the man'. But hand me the needle with some unknown mixture of heroin and Fentanyl.
Have gnu, will travel.
Vaccines haven't contained mercury for many years. Fake news.
Vaccines don't cause autism. This has been extensively studies and debunked. Fake news.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Immigrants are much more likely to have been vaccinated than the ignorant antivaxers in Washington state.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
the 10's of thousands of medical unknowns flowing across our open southern border and it is no wonder measles, tb and such are making a real come back
Measles vaccination rate in America: 92%
Measles vaccination rate in Mexico: 96%
Measles vaccination rates by country
Also, you may want to look at a map. Clark County, Washington is a long way from the southern border.
Clark County is a prosperous suburb of Portland, and not many poor Mexicans can afford to live there. It is only 4% Hispanic, and they are not causing this problem.
You are an idiot.
Regarding your supposition that those ill were unimmunized... yep, spot on.
Age
1 to 10 years: 21 cases
11 to 18 years: nine cases
19 to 29 years: one case
Immunization status
Unverified: four cases
Unimmunized: 27 cases
Souce: Clark County website.
TL;DR: The whole outbreak appears to have been rather preventable, but you apparently can't immunize against stupidity and willful ignorance.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
Ha ha ha
I read a study where they compared the efficacy across the board of any medicine that was not immediately acting (like Tylenol) to positive thinking and placebos - medicine finished dead last.
See what ShanghaiBill did within a minute of your sanctimonious response? It's called a "citation" and it's what you do if you don't want people to think you're a shill.
Migration across that boarder has not been this low since 1971. The measles outbreak is clearly due to low takeup of vacination.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
This outbreak is happening in liberal suburbs of Portland.
Anti-vaxxers do not follow the normal pattern of political polarization. Instead, it is common among extremists in either direction. Left-wing anti-vaxxers believe vaccinations are a corporate conspiracy. Right-wing anti-vaxxers believe vaccinations are a government conspiracy. Moderates on both sides vaccinate their kids.
This general area is also a hotbed for anti-fluoridation idiots.
I just want to ignore the whole thing. If someone who chose not to get vaccinated gets sick, just give them some healing crystals and leave them alone.
But unfortunately, not everyone who gets sick will be by choice. The vaccines aren't 100%, so some people may get sick even with immunization. Some infants are too young to get vaccinated, and they can easily die if they get sick. Some people have medical conditions that prevent immunization, and they are also at serious risk.
So much as I would like to ignore the sick and tell them "I told you so," we just can't do that. Also, it's not fair to not take care of kids just because their parents are stupid.
It's time to say get a vaccine or don't go to public schools. The only exceptions should be kids with compromised immune systems that can't be vaccinated. If parents don't like it, they can save the schools money and homeschool.
It's fine when people on the wings agree for the same reasons: some things are just obvious. If people on the wings agree with each other for radically different reasons (and disagree with the middle) that's a pretty good indication they're being massive dumbasses.
See also Brexit.
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Was it a Russian study? By the discredited folk-science department of Moscow-on-Shit?
>50% of people voted for Brexit. Calling people stupid because they have a certain political view, is in itself stupid.
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A family we're friendly with have the most wonderful daughter, who went through a brain tumor and had chemotherapy until her brain was developed enough to use focused radiation to get rid of the thing. She's fine now, but for years she was immuno-compromised. An un-vaccinated child in school could have been a disease vector leading to her death.
People all around you have chemo, get autologous bone marrow transplants and spend a week with no immune system, etc. During that, your unwillingness to vaccinate can kill them. Not that killing your own kid is any nicer. Please get your family all of their shots.
Bruce Perens.
There are 474,643 people in Clark County.
The governor is not communicating perfectly, but he is helping people understand the need for immunization.
Are you a troll or just an idiot? The US is a world leader in the anti-vax fad...
they are lucky that their kids weren't hit with some really nasty...like polio.
Why some people doubt the 200+ years of science and technology behind vaccinations is beyond me. In two centuries, vaccines have been successfully used on numerous occasions to eradicate diseases (like polio) from the US and to limit or control other diseases (like measles).
Frankly, if these parents do not trust vaccinations, then why bother sending their children to make use of other modern medical facilities?
Only multi-dose vaccines contain Mercury. You can use single-dose vaccines.
You mean granola and transgenderism isn't stopping this?
I'm left wing as all hell and sometimes I contemplate getting vaccinated for diseases I have little chance of ever being exposed to just in case.
The first word of that URL after the domain completely invalidates what you just said. Also, frankly, fuck you because you are hurting people indirectly by trying to convince them that vaccines are bad when they save a lot more lives then they could ever hurt, in all of history, ever possible.
Andrew Wakefield et al concocted a scheme based on "litigation based testing":
Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare ... Who perpetrated this fraud? There is no doubt that it was Wakefield. Is it possible that he was wrong, but not dishonest: that he was so incompetent that he was unable to fairly describe the project, or to report even one of the 12 children's cases accurately? No. A great deal of thought and effort must have gone into drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted: the discrepancies all led in one direction; misreporting was gross. Moreover, although the scale of the GMC's 217 day hearing precluded additional charges focused directly on the fraud, the panel found him guilty of dishonesty concerning the study's admissions criteria, its funding by the Legal Aid Board, and his statements about it afterwards.
and
In a BMJ follow-up article on 11 January 2011,[24] Deer said that based upon documents he obtained under Freedom of information legislation, Wakefield—in partnership with the father of one of the boys in the study—had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing"
Yep - the "father" of the "vaccines cause autism" HOAX seems to have agreed to split the profits with the families of the children in his "study".
How much were those projected profits?
Well, now that you asked:
the $43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" and that "the initial market for the diagnostic will be litigation-driven testing of patients with AE [autistic enterocolitis, an unproven condition concocted by Wakefield] from both the UK and the US"
Finally:
In October 2012, research published in PNAS, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, identified Wakefield's 1998 paper as the most cited retracted scientific paper, with 758 citations, and gave the "reason for retraction" as "fraud".
The Lancet article that Wakefield used to start this scam has been retracted.
god damn you are a fucking idiot
A more fitting action would be to send her to the affected county to care for the infected where she can see firsthand how bad measles really is. I'd offer her the vaccine before she goes too - it's amazing how many people actually believe in science when their survival is on the line regardless of what they may say publicly.
Ultimately that might undo some of the damage she has caused, far more so than simply putting her in jail.
positive thinking
I'm allergic to that.
Have gnu, will travel.
You'll be giving an order of magnitude more money to "big pharma" for medications to treat symptoms of any disease than to get a vaccine against one.
you apparently can't immunize against stupidity and willful ignorance
We immunize against stupidity through education. Like any immunization, it's not 100% effective but it provides herd immunity since educated friends and family also help you avoid stupid mistakes. Willful ignorance is the real problem.
"30 cases in 26 days in a State of 7.4 million people is a state of emergency?"
In 2017, there were 120 recorded cases in USA.
In 2018, there were 349 recorded cases in USA.
So yes, 30 cases in 26 days in one county is a dramatic increase.
They contain mercury which is a neurotoxin.
Water contains hydrogen, which is an explosive.
Fortunately, chemistry doesn't work like that or smokers would die of explosions instead of lung cancer.
They also cause autism.
There is zero evidence to this.
And thiomersal was removed from most vaccines, not because there was any evidence it was harmful, it's just what the conspiracy theorists and antivax con-artists latched onto so the CDC asked manufactures to remove them. Of course the CDC missed the point, the antivaxxers went after thiomersal not because they have any evidence, they were just against vaccines and it was the easiest target.
Removing thiomersal didn't cause them to trust vaccines, it just caused them to switch to a harder to remove target.
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the 10's of thousands of medical unknowns flowing across our open southern border and it is no wonder measles, tb and such are making a real come back
Measles vaccination rate in America: 92%
Measles vaccination rate in Mexico: 96%
Measles vaccination rates by country
Also, you may want to look at a map. Clark County, Washington is a long way from the southern border.
Clark County is a prosperous suburb of Portland, and not many poor Mexicans can afford to live there. It is only 4% Hispanic, and they are not causing this problem.
LOL, Mexicans literally have to worry about sick Americans bringing diseases into their country!
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Shut your mouth before you fill the room with diarrhea.
What you said seems correct to me. But...
People who are scared of Mercury can have vaccines without Mercury.
Maybe we should not eat tuna.
"you apparently can't immunize against stupidity and willful ignorance"
The worst of it is the stupid parents are all immunized; it's the kids that are going to die.
So how are all those illegal aliens working out for you on the west coast? Standby for more diseases, lots more of diseases.
First, thimerosol was completely removed from all routinely scheduled childhood vaccinations by 2002. Only some flu shots may still contain some. Even counting that, the total dosage is far below what it was in 1990, before the autism "epidemic" began. Even more convincing, rates of autism diagnosis have continued to rise even as timerosol has been removed. There is no causal link and certainly no dose-response curve.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/vaccines-and-autism/
You'd have a better time with the argument that cooked meat contains carcinogens and "could cause cancer", if you feel like an AKSHUALLY.
Or instead of mongering you could pick an argument that tries to demonstrate negative societal effect. That supporting a pound of beef consumes land or water or has a carbon footprint of whatever meters. Or even that farms pump their cows with antibacterials, and is helping groom superdisease.
It wouldn't stop me from eating meat. But at least you'd have consequences society should listen to.
As opposed to pedantic masturbation.
Dude. A little research, please. Like, check it out on Snopes at least:
"Zimmerman, a scientist with serious credentials who was once a government expert on vaccines, believes that narrow circumstances might exist in which the combination of pre-existing mitochondrial dysfunction and vaccination could trigger ASD. This view is not held by many scientists, and from a scientific-evidence standpoint it remains speculative. The 2018 deposition given by Zimmerman regarding the 2007 sequence of events during omnibus proceedings was compelled by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., an anti-vaccine activist with a dubious commitment to scientific accuracy, and Rolf Hazlehurst, a litigant in one of the omnibus cases.
"Finally, it bears mentioning that Dr. Zimmerman supports vaccination. “As a pediatric neurologist and member of the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Neurology Society, the American Academy of Neurology and the American Neurological Association, I strongly support the importance of vaccines for all children,” he wrote in his statement:"
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/01/21/witness-view-vaccines-autism/
Viruses actually bring DNA to our body and make us stronger and evolve
I wish you best of luck in catching the disease of your choice and evolving into compost.
You're already big pharma's bitch every time you collect a paycheck.
We're eager to line up, hands outstretched. Particularly when we reach The World Owes Me Because Reasons age. As though healthcare grows on trees. Rest assured, that oxygen tank was paid for somehow and the money came from you, pleb.
But yeah, that's only 99.999999% of their revenue. Gotta get you on those ripoff flu shots. But the foot surgery, that's fine, there's no racket there, it was covered by insurance or something therefore the money didn't come from you. Dumbass.
Hmm.. I think the flu shots still contain thiomersal, which has an organic derivative of mercury in it, but that's no problem. If you worried about the individual atoms that comprised a molecule, instead of its molecular traits, you'd never have salt (which is essential to humans), as it would both explode and poison you with the sodium and the chlorine that makes it up.
Thiomersal is safe as a molecule.
First, "big pharma" makes practically nothing on vaccines. One estimate shows that they might make 0.25% of their profit from vaccines.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/the-myth-of-big-pharma-vaccine-profits-updated/
Second, measles can be quite damaging and even fatal. Granted, in a well-nourished population, we're talking about a 0.2% mortality rate. But there are higher rates of other complications. And flu killed 80,000 people in the US in the 2017-2018 season!
Third, a certain percentage of the population are immuno-compromised and CANNOT be vaccinated. (See earlier poster's story of a child with cancer.) We rely on herd immunity to keep these people safe.
Fourth, vaccines for diseases like measles with low mutation rates work EXTREMELY well. Yes, you may need a booster after 5-10 years for something like tetanus, but is that really so awful?
Flu is trickier, of course, because there are so many strains in the wild and they mutate so fast. Virologists have to guess which 3-4 strains are most likely to spread in the next season and manufacturers set up production based on that prediction. If they guess wrong or the virus mutates too much, well, then the vaccine may ineffective or only partially effective against that strain. And again, you may only get the sniffles from your flu, but if you give it to Grandma, it may just kill her.
When you're poor vaccines are cheap (with lots of agencies doing their best to help you) and realize that not accepting them is one of the ways your life will take a horrible turn where you or your kids will be permanently damaged, scarred, crippled, etc.
When you're solidly upper middle class with health insurance...suddenly you turn into soccer mom listening to Jenny McCarthy and worrying that your precious ones might get the autism.
The best I can say about so-called anti-vaxxers is that they are ignorant and uneducated. But I'll give them the benefit of doubt. Perhaps some do hold religious or moral objections to vaccinations. Well and good. But there should be consequences associated with behavior that affects society in general. Think of drunk driving laws. If a child who has not been vaccinated contracts a disease the vaccine could prevent, the parent(s) should be prosecuted for criminal endangerment. In fact, it should be as automatic as failing a sobriety test. If your kid gets measles and has not been vaccinated, you should face fines and possible jail time, increasing with successive occurrences. Please don't toss out the red herring of health care access. Lack of it does not apply to early childhood vaccines.
34% of people voted for Brexit. About 32% voted against it. The rest hadn't a clue what it actually was they were supposed to be voting for (the options given were no change, or magical unicorns that crap gold and make all your problems disappear).
That's why lots are disgruntled, as it's not really a representative number, considering abstentions. Certainly not a good figure to base changing the direction of an entire nation on.
And some people have political views that make absolutely no rational sense (which is how politicians get in that make no rational sense). I heartily approve calling them out on that and saying bluntly that they make no rational sense.
All sides of the political spectrum have these kinds of people in, because they can be charming at times.
You can't immunize babies for measles under one year of age, and a very small subset of the population with compromised immune systems. Further not every last person who gets the mmr vaccine develops the same level of immunity. All of these people have thier lives riding on the people who have no valid excuse to help prevent them from becoming ill and suffering possible permemant damage or death. Even people who survive, especially children, can be affected years later called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis or SSPE. You get an incurable brain infection, seizures, deteriorating function, and then (so far) a 100% chance of death. It's not even as uncommon as once thought. So even survivors don't have a rosy future.
Stop ruining the narrative for people who only feel and don't think!
To set the record straight... Clark County, the epicenter of said outbreak, is in another fucking state (Washington), on the other side of the Columbia River from Portland, Oregon.
If you want a real way to prevent autism: make sure pregnant mothers get enough vitamin D. Seriously.
Where did the measles come from? Ex-nihilo?
when child mortality was 66%, only one in three children got to see their 5th birthday? The problem is that these idiots are not old enough to remember polo and iron lungs.
Americans have it easy today. Women don't die in child birth in any significant numbers. You don't need to have 6 babies to see 3 reach thier teenage years. Almost no one gets horrible diseases that kill, cripple, disfigure, and often cause unending pain for the remainder of your life. When every person either had family or friends that they watched contract horrible diseases like polio, they were scared shitless of suffering the same fate. When the first vaccines came out, people lined up around the block and people fought shortages to keep up with demand. It was hailed as a miracle, and people couldn't believe they might finally be free of these unimaginable afflictions plaguing humanity.
Nowadays, with vaccinations keeping these diseases under control, very few have had a family member who has been crippled, had a lifelong friend die, or even seen the afflicted in person. They lack the imagination necessary to place themselves in this world lost to medical progress and have become complacent, ignorant, and lazy with regard to the seriousness of the situation. It's absolutely disgusting.
Heaven forbid people want sovereignty and prefer not to be ruled from abroad by people they can't elect or kick out. If I recall, a major country had a war over that a couple hundred years ago in order to claim their independence.
Yep, gotta smear those people so that we can show our globalist owners how well we lick their jackboots.
34% of people voted for Brexit. About 32% voted against it. The rest, by not voting, agreed to accept whatever decision is made by those who did.
FTFY.
It is an easily transmittable virus. That is the problem if you don't control it early on.
Also those WHO stats include vaccinated people that's why the rates are so low. But try telling anti-vaxxers that.
that's what compulsory education is for. What's hard to immunize against is propaganda. There's a big anti-science movement in America being pushed by corporate interests that don't want to pay for things like public health.
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"like a lot of other non life threatening decease (flu!)"
Tell that to the 50-100 million people killed by the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920
Sodium is an alkali metal - by itself it will burst into flames or explode on contact with water and produce noxious gasses.
Chlorine by itself is a liquid or gas - by itself it's extremely toxic and will kill you pretty quickly.
Mix them and you get sodium chloride, otherwise known as common table salt. Which is tasty on fries.
Just because atom X is dangerous doesn't mean it's always dangerous in a compound. Mercury included.
More dangerous than Mercury is ignorance...
To me this seems like overreacting, as measles did me no permanent harm. My ancestors were exposed to measles from way back. Other groups of people have found it fatal. Even in my group (North-Western Europeans) measles has been associated with massive increases in still-births and deformed births. And I'm not sure just how non-fatal it was. That I lived through it and my ancestors did, doesn't say how many didn't, even as recently as one generation back.
I suspect what should be done is strict quarantine with strong enforcement and forbidding any non-vaccinated child from going to school. But perhaps the governor didn't have an option to do that, and *could* declare a state of emergency.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
>50% of people voted for Brexit.
No, 50% of those who voted. Thing is there's quite a few people now who were ineleligible to vote at the time who are now of voting age and they're not happy.
And you know, the referendum wasn't binding. Binding referendums have much tighter rules and if it was binding it would have to be rerun because of fraud by the leave side. Trying to claim there's some sort of mandate is a real subversion of democracy.
There's a reason that binding referendums have tight rules. The leave camp blatantly lied and they're trying to pretend that's OK.
Calling people stupid because they have a certain political view, is in itself stupid.
Some people have the "political view" that I should be murdered, so yeah fuck you.
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Mercury is not a neurotoxin, but is the smallest and inner-most planet in the Solar System, named after the Roman deity and messenger of the gods, and could never fit in a vaccination. This is just another fake comment to attack people who never knew 5 simple ways to save money in bed.
Like most foreign statistics, the Mexican numbers are made up, and those that do get vaccinated vary widely in age because of the chaotic nature of their "program", hence immigrants are very iffy. Good chance that the illegals have not aged into the program yet. Same and worse applies the the Central American countries.
In the US, vaccination programs kill a few persons per decade, mostly by allergic reaction to eggs, the medium used to grow the vaccine. Each year tens of persons are permanently injured. As a result of legal suits resulting from such deaths and injuries, makers and administrators of vaccines were abandoning the business so in 1986 Congress created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. You cannot sue anybody at all alleging an adverse outcome from vaccination. Instead you must file a claim that is judged by the Board. The delay is years, about 3/5 of the claims are denied, there is no appeal, the average successful claim pays about 3/4 * $1M.
I promote vaccines as by far the best choice for anyone (except in case of known immunosuppression.) My children received all the recommended doses. I myself got the measles as a young child, just like almost everyone born before 1957. I remember the epidemics in a suburb of a large city: thousands of children with the rash. Tens of them died each year. Then the vaccine came, and the measles vanished.
Nevertheless, I can understand why someone who is informed may decide that the risk to their child from the vaccine is unacceptable, especially if enforced by government edict. In 1976 the US Center for Disease Control [that was the name then] deliberately lied to the public about their scientific and medical errors connected to the swine flu vaccination program. As long as I live, I will never trust what CDC says without independent verification.
Alright, you fucking moron, Thimerosal contains mercury, but guess what? Table salt contains chlorine! And it's even worse than that: water contains the extremely explosive gas HYDROGEN! Why are you worried about Thimerosal when salt and water contain chemicals that can LITERALLY KILL YOU?
Besides, if you actually read the shit you linked to, you'd find out that all of the standard vaccines for kids in the US and EU haven't contained Thimerosal for 14+ years now. How do you explain the autism now, bitch?
Ahm.. that very link states that Thiomersal was removed from childhood vaccines decades ago.
Lets have a big round of applause for the anti-vaxx shitheads who've managed to help bring back a dreadful and deadly disease through their own ignorance and stupidity.
So yeah, don't listen to 99.99999999% of all epidemiologists, doctors, and researchers, instead listen to a known genius like Jenny McCarthy, a washed up MTV dating game hostess.
Her film 'career' (cough) in such amazing works such as Diamonds, Scream 3, and Santa Baby means that she surely knows better than all those egghead scientists. I mean really, have you seen the way they dress? Lab coats are soooo utilitarian.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
What's so funny, dude?
Yes, the people of Mexico should have a proper level of concern if there is an outbreak of illness among their northern neighbors that could affect them.
I would like to see refusing to vaccinate your kids defined as child abuse. CPS rates you as an unfit parent and takes your kids away.
BZZT! WRONG! Mercury is a glorious god, not a mere "planet!" You new age plebs need to get with the program! He is not a hot rock, he only delivers them!
Those aren't mutually exclusive. Clark County is SW Washington's conservative sinkhole.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." [Thomas Jefferson]
30 cases in 26 days in a State of 7.4 million people is a state of emergency?
Well the fire was confined initially to just a pot on the stove, but that was very localized, so we didn't feel it required any immediate action. Then once the cabinets above the stove caught fire, it still seemed really localized, do we thought we should just wait and see. Once we forced out of the kitchen entirely we decided to call the fire department, if it still continued to spread. Well once the living room drapes went up, we thought that emergency action probably was needed, and we did call the fire department, after we finished eating lunch on the lawn.
What couldn't they save our house? Effing gubbmint incompetents.
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The outbreak is in Clark County, the conservative sinkhole of SW Washington and the Portland Metro area. It is across the Columbia River, in a different state. They are also responsible for not allowing a new bridge to be built across the Columbia because there would be tolls on the bridge to pay for it, just like there were for the original bridge.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." [Thomas Jefferson]
And most vague unsupported general claims about statistics are just BS.
Your move.
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All of the antivax cranks in this thread are ACs. What does this say about their willingness to debate?
You can't claim it's preventable without knowing the social class of those families. Perhaps most of them are too poor for non-emergency medical care and that's why they weren't immunized.
Well, since nobody in the UK was allowed to join the EU as presently constituted (as opposed to a much more limited precursor institution), it seems that it's a one vote for not being in it compared to 0 to be in it.
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
Sheesh... "allowed to vote to join"....
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
Sorry, but Clark County is populated mostly by people who prefer Democrats, including voting for Democrats 52% to 48% in the last election. You are misinformed, probably because they may not be quite as left-wing progressive as other nearby urban areas, although that doesn't make them a conservative bastion.
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
Fucking Whoooosh
Itâ(TM)s likely they believe(d) measles was eradicated, that vaccination is evil, and that they were too superior to catch anything - disease is for others.
.... you'd never have salt .... as it would both explode and poison you....
My doctor sure as hell makes it seem that that's going to be the end result of my salt consumption.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
I can't tell if you're attempting sarcasm,or just being really, really, fucking stupid. I say this only because there are some people that fucking stupid out there.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Well sure, 73.2% of the time they're only 47.1% true.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Well, not exactly.... Franklin county is over on east side of the state, Clark county is on the west side. I had to go look up your reference, i honestly didn't think opium poppies would grow in this climate.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Nope, again. Clark county is a lean republican county currently....not by a large amount, but definitely a lean.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Barely conservative. It's a lot nicer there than a number of other counties in the state.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
It's not a conservative sinkhole, but it is a right leaning county. Only their treasurer and attorney are democrats, while all the rest of their elected officials are republican. Calling the county an urban area is also a problematic description.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
I saw a comment, probably from twitter that said:
"If my kid is not allowed to bring a peanut butter sandwich to school, your kid should not be allowed to bring an easily preventable disease to school."
That pretty much covers it.
I've decided to Diversify my Holdings. I've divided my cash between my left and right pockets, instead of all in one.
I guess they want to wage a genocidal war on the measels virus. Will they blame the brown invaders who are entering the country illegally and bringing in the disease. No they blame white people for not vacinating.
No matter what happens in the world, it is all the fault of white people. The only solution to white privelege is to give the kindly government and the multibillion dollar corporate media more and more granular controll over everyones life.
https://youtu.be/y0opgc1WoS4
Shit like this is their damned fault. You may not be able to legislate morality or religion, but you can for damned sure legislate criminal stupidity.
Give people one last chance to voluntarily vaccinate their kids, and after that, jail time, a fine, and you vaccinate the kid(s) anyway, by court order.
How do you have the brainpower to use the internet effectively enough to make that post when you've clearly got a room-temperature IQ?
Both "Leave" and "Remain" campaigns have been fined for lying during the campaign. There's quite a few people that have died since, they're also not happy, there's also a growing number of people that have grown up beyond age 26 and find out that once the EU starts taking more than it gives, it isn't all that it's cut out to be, they're also not happy, you will never make everyone happy and people will change their mind.
Off course the ones that voted the other way aren't happy, but if you go straight democracy, that's what you get. Trying to change the rules after the game didn't turn out the way you wanted isn't fair.
Brexit in the end is a "no confidence" vote for both Brussels/Merkel and Cameron/May. Cameron was voted in with the promise he was going to make changes to the EU-UK relationship, the EU insisted on it's continued "members have no sovereignty" platform. The fact that major political voices in The Netherlands, Belgium, France etc are getting more steam with like "leave" platforms goes to say that the people are sick of EU transferring wealth and power at the cost of its middle class. Even Macron conceded recently that if the French were proposed with the question, they would vote to leave (polls show 61% in France and 59% in Netherlands vs UK's 48%).
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They appear to be overreacting. A measles outbreak does not warrant such a hysterical response.
Thing is there's quite a few people now who were ineleligible to vote at the time who are now of voting age and they're not happy.
So fucking what? That happens every time TIME PASSES you fucking shitbrain.
People voted to LEAVE the EU. They didn't vote for some fucking deal. They weren't fucking tricked. They voted to fucking LEAVE. The media and the government is doing everything it can to ignore that and stay in the EU (or get in deeper, as the UK wasn't actually fully in). It's fucking absurd, toddler-level logic to try to claim the original vote was invalid, or another vote needs to be taken, just because some whiny little retard shits don't understand that the older generation is trying to SAVE what little chance if left for the younger generation to not be snuffed out.
Sorry I wasn't clear. I wasn't calling the county an urban area, I was comparing it to nearby urban areas and excluding nearby rural areas, which have a different leaning.
The County officials do seem to lean R overall, but the County did vote for Democratic Politicians at the State and higher levels by 3-5% in the most recent election, so I suppose they're relatively in the middle compared to the country as a whole, which would make them leaning right in comparison to the nearby cities.
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
30 cases in 26 days in a State of 7.4 million people is a state of emergency?
Exactly. It would make so much more sense to wait, and let the situation spiral out of control before acting.
Exactly. For the same reason western countries should ignore Ebola outbreaks in Africa and not get practice helping contain it...until someone with it gets off a plane...two weeks ago.
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And it's about more than measles, too. Some thought parents who don't want to immunize should watch a video of kids with whooping cough.
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I guess some think a drastic increase of spreading disease isn't an emergency until it jumps from 50,000 to 100,000 in a year?
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1. Autism continued climbing after thimerosol was removed.
2. The thimerosol link (i.e. mercury link) was hypothisized by that disgraced doctor to cause intestinal inflamation of some kind, which caused autism. This turned out to not be true.
So neither mercury, nor the mercury path, turned out to be true.
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Although the mercury meme remains, official antivaxx crap (if there is an official one) has dropped the mercury issue and is now just anti-vaxx for autism.
It's a study in how memes evolve to keep spreading.
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Diseases can spread exponentially. If you don't immediately contain them then it ceases to be an emergency, and becomes an out of control disaster. An epidemic, with fatalities.
So, no, emergency is exactly the correct name for it. The reason we don't suffer from the worst effects of diseases like this in the Western world is precisely *because* our health authorities are monitoring these situations, ready to act quickly if the situation demands it. We should be thankful we get to live in such a safe situation, rather than minimising and undermining the true value in what we have created for ourselves.
It's not "safe", it's still pretty toxic if you read the MSDS for it. However a typical vaccine would contain a huge 50 micrograms of the stuff. Most of which would be excreted by the body over the following weeks-months. It has a relatively large biological half-life of several weeks, but of the tiny amount present originally, there would only be a tiny fraction left a year later. It was never a huge cause for concern, and was only dropped due to the irrational hysteria. Not entirely a bad thing that it was dropped--just a bit pointless given the risk/benefit tradeoffs.
Both "Leave" and "Remain" campaigns have been fined for lying during the campaign.
That just strengthens my argument. When it comes to election fraud, two wrongs do not make a right. A binding referendum would have to be rerun due to the fraud. Claiming a mandate from a non binding one is trying to subvert referendum rules that are there for a really good reason.
There's quite a few people that have died since, they're also not happy
They're not human any more either. Non humans don't generally get a say in democracies.
there's also a growing number of people that have grown up beyond age 26 and find out that once the EU starts taking more than it gives
No there are none. Literaly none, because the EU doesn't take more than it gives. Maybe some people have grown up beyond 26 and started believing that.
it isn't all that it's cut out to be, they're also not happy, you will never make everyone happy and people will change their mind.
Not all it's cut out to be? I mean yes. People get weird ideas about wnat it's supposed to be get angry that it isn't and vote for something worse. What's good about that?
Trying to change the rules after the game didn't turn out the way you wanted isn't fair.
The rules on binding referendums are clear and well established. I'm quoting the rules as they are. You are trying to change and weaken them by treating a nonbinding referendum as binding.
Brexit in the end is a "no confidence" vote for both Brussels/Merkel and Cameron/May.
Well that's incredibly stupid then. Why on earth are we deciding to leave the EU based on a local no confidence vote?
the EU insisted on it's continued "members have no sovereignty" platform.
That's an outright falsehood and always has been. The EU members have always have absolute sovereignty as Article 50 proves. For every EU law there is always the choice: adopt the law or leave the EU. Alabama (etc) by contrast is not a sovereign state. When they decided to leave, people from the government started shooting at them until they stopped.
It's just like any other club. You can pay the dues and abide by the rules or you can leave. If the club is so increadibly amazing that leaving is really shit that doesn't make you less free to leave.
he fact that major political voices in The Netherlands, Belgium, France etc are getting more steam with like "leave"
Were. Not are, were. It has been said that David Cameron single handedly saved the EU. Even Front National has had second thought about leaving after seeing quite how much benefit from the EU that we're having to give up.
that the people are sick of EU transferring wealth and power at the cost of its middle class.
Well that just goes to show how fucking stupid people are. That's a global problem right now in every country in the EU or out. Leaving the EU isn't going to magically solve it.
It's the same illogic that makes people hate on gay marriage.
Life appear worse now than it was. Between then and now thing X also happened. Therefore it we make thing X unhappen, then life will get better.
In this case X is the EU. Except it doesn't work like that. Globalisation and the destruction of the middle class is a separate problem. It's certainly there in the EU and it's definitely there outside the EU. Little Britain is not going to somehow magically find a way to reverse the trend all on its own OR have the will to do so if that means putting a crimp on growth and the economy.
Even Macron conceded recently that if the French were proposed with the question, they would vote to leave (polls show 61% in France and 59% in Netherlands vs UK's 48%).
Well that shows his wisdom in not running the referendum then. Why would a sane politician ask the country if they want to hurt themselves severely when they'd vote differently in a few years time but be unable to nudo the hurt?
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one vote for not being in it compared to 0 to be in it.
That's one of the most inane distortions of reality I've seen today. Well done!
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Migration across that boarder has not been this low since 1971.
Well there's your problem. Mexicans have a higher immunisation rate then Americans, so mexicans coming in increase the average immunisation rate.
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check this out, novel concept here
maybe you can turn over some of those antivaxers out there if you package the vaccines in simpler ways ( you know like they used to do in the past), like one at a time, and not 34 at a time in one shot, heck, if you would prioritize some of them, like, the most common things you might get, maybe you could convert even more
theres no reason for those single vaccine shots against 54 different things, including turning into a patriots fan. No reason at all
Something seems kind of off here, I'm not quite sure what though.
1) I get Idaho warning it's citizens, it's around six hours via I-84 and US-97 and I doubt there is much air travel between the area affected and Idaho but why is Oregon not taking this more seriously if Washington is - given Clark county is part of the Portland Oregon Metro area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_metropolitan_area)? This seems strange to me.
2) Basic science tells me that causation does not prove there is correlation so I'm wondering if there could be something else going on here and not just the vaccination rate of Clark County? It seems like all of the evidence, while it points at the vaccinations is a bit circumstantial. Also, to be clear I'm not disputing that vaccination is good I'm just wondering if there is something else going on in addition as the vaccination rate seems to be a simplistic explanation and it doesn't take into account the rest of the Portland metro area.
Just put her in my bed. After one night with me, she'll wonder what she did wrong in the entirety of her life to be forced to sleep with me. And I get laid. Win/win for everyone involved.
...but you apparently can't immunize against stupidity and willful ignorance.
Nature is immunizing us against those things, with measles. Unfortunately, it's taking down some of the rest of us too.
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And your post is a perfect example for why people believe the antivaxxers, not doctors. Observe:
Vaccines haven't contained mercury for many years. Fake news.
Demonstrably false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal In short: many don't, but some still do.
Vaccines don't cause autism. This has been extensively studies and debunked. Fake news.
Considering that you've already been proven a liar above, are you suprised that people disbelieve also that statement? Get caught lying once, none will trust you anymore. That's exactly the problem with mainstream talking about vaccines: mainstream doctors have no problems using lies such as "vaccines don't contain mercury" in support of vaccines. That ruins their credibility and makes people mistrustful of them. And then they act surprised when anti-vaxxers with their message of "doctors are lying to you" get people's attention.
You were dropped on your head at birth, weren't you?
They contain mercury which is a neurotoxin.
Water contains hydrogen, which is an explosive.
Fortunately, chemistry doesn't work like that or smokers would die of explosions instead of lung cancer.
You're missing something far more fundamental. The MMR vaccine hasn't contained mercury for 2 decades (in any form since as you quipped ethylmercury and elemental mercury are not the same thing).
And by saying "Missing something" I meant from the argument itself. It's useless arguing advanced chemistry with someone who doesn't even understand that the very base of their argument is wrong.
I didn't mean that you didn't address it, which you did. I wish slashdot had a Preview button :-)
Enough said.
Doesn't matter what the bible says. You're trying to FORCE RELIGION ON ME. You don't get to. This is 'murika. Go back to Europe where that kind of shit is acceptable, and where it started.
https://smile.amazon.com/Deadl...
The title is terrible. Pretend instead it's "A history of the science and politics of vaccines."
I started reading it and ended up staying up late into the night until I finished.
It explains in detail all those things about vaccines that you'd vaguely heard of including things like the "vaccine court." and the vaccine panic in the 1880's is also interesting to read about.
Buy a copy, read it, then pass it to a friend.
"Those Opposed To Scientific Consensus Bolstered By 'Illusion of Knowledge'"
and
"State of Emergency Declared in Washington State Over Measles Outbreak "
on the same page, says it all I think.
Actually, Clark County is in the middle of Washington's opium country. Don't trust those vaccinations made by 'the man'. But hand me the needle with some unknown mixture of heroin and Fentanyl.
Like my vegan friend who is quite happy smoking weed and snorting coke she found on the dark web =>
How is the parent "Insightful". He said nothing put a moronic mainstream TROPE. Look at the figures, at
least 4 people WERE vaccinated. So, vaccines are not 100%. And they carry side effects. You might
be just some moronic tween in his bedroom, but your grandparents got measles and survived just fine. And
they had BETTER all around immunity for it. The problem is when too many people get vaccinated, there's
not enough better, NATURAL immunity left in the "herd".
You slashdotters, always so quick to pipe up on a subject that you've obviously never studied. News for
pretend wanna be nerds is more like it.
Exactly. There's this concept "exponential growth".
Dude, heroin is natural.
Communist Russia is calling you back home to the land of the gulag.
While looking up the details of the flu vaccine I was administered last fall in the US, Fluarix Quad, I saw that multi-dose bottles, I think it was 10 per, had thimerosal in them, they're obviously vulnerable to bacteria getting in when a dose is withdrawn. Single dose handily packed in a syringe like I received doesn't have it.
Clark County is SW Washington's conservative sinkhole.
Which should make it a haven for meth users.
In a expat facebook group here where in Costa Rica, where child vaccination is thankfully mandatory, a woman actually asked for tips and tricks on how she could fake the paperwork so that her kids wouldn't be vaccinated (because shes sooooo informed), but could still go to public kindergartens and schools.
I'd just like to point out that general anti-vaxers are bad enough - but many of them at least proudly announce it, and homeschool their kids and all that.
But now they actually seem to be trying to smuggle their risky kids with fake papers into the vaccinated population. This is a nother level of egoistical BS.
Yes, ACTUAL herd immunity refers to immunity from those who had measles and ended up with a lifelong immunity not from false immunity from a vaccine. It actually was more effective because if 62% of a population caught measles, it was found to have stopped spreading and provided immunity for the other 38%. Meanwhile, these precious vaccines need multiple doses through your whole life and must have a 95% vaccinate rate to only protect 5% of the population.
The flu vaccine in Canada has mercury (thimerosal). At least as recently as a few years ago. Not sure if it was in the 2018 batch.
>50% of people voted for Brexit.
Pretty sure that right after the vote, there was a massive increase in people Googling it, trying to figure out what the hell they just voted on.
Captcha: viruses
Pretty applicable to the story. Not so much for this Brexit derailing of the thread.
Kurzgesagt has a good explanation of what measles does to you.
https://youtu.be/y0opgc1WoS4
This outbreak is happening in liberal suburbs of Portland.
Anti-vaxxers do not follow the normal pattern of political polarization. Instead, it is common among extremists in either direction. Left-wing anti-vaxxers believe vaccinations are a corporate conspiracy. Right-wing anti-vaxxers believe vaccinations are a government conspiracy. Moderates on both sides vaccinate their kids.
So, what you are essentially saying is that measles is possibly one of the many cures for the extremist disease that has gripped the United States? There is some irony.
If you worried about the individual atoms that comprised a molecule, instead of its molecular traits, you'd never have salt (which is essential to humans), as it would both explode and poison you with the sodium and the chlorine that makes it up.
That just proves how little you know about biology. The body needs sodium precisely because it is highly reactive. It also regularly peels off sodium atoms from sodium chloride and sodium bicarbonate. Newsflash: we also need potassium the same way, which is another highly reactive metal. And oxygen is highly reactive as well. The potassium and the sodium are used to mediate ions from the blood through cellular walls.
The fact that these atoms are all highly reactive is the reason why our bodies produce so much heat while we are just sitting there. Think about how little heat a single candle produces. Now think how many candles it would take to make human body heat. There is a furnace going on inside us and it is catalyzing carbohydrates with oxygen, sodium and potassium.