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State of Emergency Declared in Washington State Over Measles Outbreak (cbsnews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes CBS News: The governor of Washington state declared a state of emergency Friday over a measles outbreak that has sickened dozens of people in a county with one of the state's lowest vaccination rates. Gov. Jay Inslee said in a statement that the outbreak in Clark County "creates an extreme public health risk" that could spread throughout the state...

Clark County Public Health has confirmed 30 measles cases since January 1 and identified another nine suspected cases. Twenty-six of the confirmed cases were people who were not immunized for measles, the agency said... Only 77.4 percent of all public students there complete their vaccinations, according to state records cited by the Oregonian...Most of the confirmed cases -- 21 -- were with children between 1 and 10 years old. Eight cases involved people 11 to 18 years old, and one case was someone 19 to 29.

Time magazines also reports that authorities in the neighboring states of Oregon and Idaho "have issued warnings to residents."

In November the World Health Organization warned that measles cases worldwide had jumped more than 30% from 2016 to 2017, according to AFP, "in part because of children not being vaccinated."

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  1. Lets be antivax! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:Lets be antivax! by jpaine619 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with your theory is that you can get a disease, that you have been vaccinated for, if you're hit with a huge amount of the infectious agent. i.e. If you sit down next to someone who's leaking measles all over the place (coughing, sneezing, etc) it may overwhelm your immune system and you could get get sick.

      Vaccines work best when everyone gets them.

    2. Re: Lets be antivax! by Saithe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do know that the flu vaccine is efficient, right? It's just not efficient against all three strands of the flu and they try to guess which one will be the dominant one each year. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes not, but at least there's a chance of protection.

    3. Re: Lets be antivax! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      HPV vaccine you twat.

    4. Re:Lets be antivax! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lets be antivax! What could possibly go wrong?

      VMS sales, for example?

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    5. Re:Lets be antivax! by malkavian · · Score: 2

      You realise that it's infectious in its incubation period, before people get symptomatic, right?

    6. Re: Lets be antivax! by cheesybagel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dude. The flu vaccine is efficient. Why do you think the doctors and nurses take them themselves every single year? The problem is the flu virus mutates rapidly and there are several strains of the virus, unlike other viruses, so the protection it provides is limited in time until the flu virus mutates again. It also needs to be produced months in advance (it takes time to prepare it).

    7. Re: Lets be antivax! by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't say so. The part of the Empire he personally oversaw managed to last another 500 years. Which is more than the USA has been in existence so far.

    8. Re: Lets be antivax! by careysub · · Score: 4, Informative

      This site cites five different pollsters all indicating that antivaxx sentiment rates are evenly split between parties.

      Anyone here trying to make this into a right/left issue is pushing a false agenda.

      So no, not majority left (unless you are pinning your claim on the fact that Republicans are in a minority.

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    9. Re: Lets be antivax! by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're describing Clark County, the conservative sinkhole across the river from liberal Portland.

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    10. Re:Lets be antivax! by clovis · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem with your theory is that you can get a disease, that you have been vaccinated for, if you're hit with a huge amount of the infectious agent. i.e. If you sit down next to someone who's leaking measles all over the place

      You've kind of answered your own question here. If the intelligent people refrain from sitting down next to someone who is "leaking measles all over the place" then the Darwinian principle would still hold.

      It's not necessary to sit next to a measles infected person, or even be near a measles infected person to get infected.
      https://www.cdc.gov/measles/ab...
      "Also, measles virus can live for up to two hours in an airspace where the infected person coughed or sneezed. If other people breathe the contaminated air or touch the infected surface, then touch their eyes, noses, or mouths, they can become infected. Measles is so contagious that if one person has it, 90% of the people close to that person who are not immune will also become infected.

      Infected people can spread measles to others from four days before through four days after the rash appears."

    11. Re:Lets be antivax! by meglon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. Clark county is fairly split, but is currently leaning republican, with all the elected officials being republicans except their prosecuting attorney and treasurer. At the very least do 20 seconds of research before typing.

      But lets be a bit clearer... when people say anti-vaxxer they immediately think of the dipshits who don't get their kids the measles or TDaP vaccines. They don't think about all the fundamentalist religious freaks who refuse to get the HPV vaccine for their kids... obviously opting to have their kids die in the excruciating agony from several completely preventable diseases, instead of saving their lives because "sex bad, mkay," and they somehow think their kids will all turn into prostitutes and porn stars if they did get the vaccine.... which i think just shows how little they think of their own parenting skills.

      So, no, anti-vaxxers aren't predominately left-wing.... but all of them, left or right, are predominantly stupid.

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    12. Re: Lets be antivax! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is an absolutely perfectly example of the adage "the plural of anecdote is not data."

      Measles has a death rate of around 2 per 1000, higher in very young children and adults. The serious complication rate (like permanent hearing damage) is a bit higher. It's absolutely unsurprising that in your sample of two, neither of you died. But if measles was endemic in a country of, say, a third of a billion people... that's a lot of fatalities.

    13. Re: Lets be antivax! by rl117 · · Score: 2

      "proven to contain". No. That's a really weird conspiracy-theory stance. No. They are *known* to contain various substances because they have a *purpose*, and were specifically added to serve that purpose. Some are to act as a preservative (e.g. thimerosal--a form or mercury). Others are to act as an adjuvant (e.g. aluminium). Adjuvants stimulate an inflammatory response which causes the immune system to notice and react to the virus part of the vaccine, and develop a proper immune response. Without it, the vaccine would not work, or would work very poorly.

      The tiny amounts of e.g. mercury and aluminium in a vaccine are of little consequence. Most of the mercury will be excreted over weeks-months, and it was only present in microgram quantities in any case.

      As for your father's medication, this has zero bearing on vaccines and it completely irrelevant.

    14. Re: Lets be antivax! by stealth_finger · · Score: 2
      Ask Roald Dahl's daughter about it https://www.indy100.com/articl...

      Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it.

      Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn’t do anything.

      'Are you feeling all right?' I asked her. 'I feel all sleepy,' she said.

      In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

      The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her.

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  2. Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It would be a good beginning.
    The bitch has thousands on her conscience.

    1. Re: Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by guruevi · · Score: 2

      Vaccinations are available in the entire country. The problem is that state schools don't make vaccination a requirement everywhere because 'discrimination'.

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    2. Re:Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Gee. You think that measles is minor? How about a little more information for you.
      1990 - 630,000 deaths due to measles
      2011 - 158,000 deaths due to measles
      Due to vaccinations, measles for the first time in 2018 had under 100,000 deaths. In fact, it's possible that we can eradicate measles (smallpox was the first virus to be eradicated). But the anti-vax crowd are to put it politely idiots.

    3. Re: Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      Moron AC wrote:

      vaccinated kids getting autism

      It is an unfortunate fact of our society that you need a license to cut hair, and not to be a parent.

    4. Re: Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most kids are vaccinated (thankfully), so of course most children who develop autism have also been vaccinated. There is no difference in the autism rates of vaccinated and unvaccinated children. There is no correlation. And no medically plausible causal link.

      https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/vaccines-and-autism/

    5. Re:Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by nmb3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Put Jenny McCarthy in jail
      It would be a good beginning.

      Perhaps, but an even better beginning would be to start introducing legislation making certain vaccinations mandatory. Failure to comply should be a heavy fine or tax to help pay for bullshit like this. Continued failure to comply is direct child endangerment and society takes children away from parents for things like that. Oh, and manslaughter charges for any parents whose unvaccinated children are involved in the deaths of someone else, just to make sure the asshats know we're serious.

      We need to stop tolerating irrational stupidity in this country under the guise of "freedom" or "religion". This is a public safety matter.

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    6. Re: Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Rarely is measles fatal.

      Only because people rarely get measles. The mortality rate is between 0.1 and 10%, depending on the country. Maybe 1 in 1000 to 1 in 10 is "rare" to you, but it seems pretty tragic to me when it is so preventable.

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    7. Re: Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 4, Informative

      The statistic of 1 in 60 is for ALL children, vaccinated or not. A study done on 95,000 children, 15,000 of which were not vaccinated shows no link. There were actually more in the non-vaccinated group, but theorized that is due to parents who notice signs of autism before vaccination begins and then delay vaccinations due to fear that vaccines cause autism.

      https://www.autismspeaks.org/s...

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    8. Re: Put Jenny McCarthy in jail by rl117 · · Score: 2

      The death rate from measles in an unvaccinated and unchallenged population is just under 1 person in 2 (~48%). This for example would be the Americas or Pacific islands prior to contact with the West. The only reason it's less today is because of two factors. Firstly, evolution. In the West, where measles was endemic, we are genetically selected for tolerance to it. Same as for certain influenza strains, the black death, and other historical nasties. Why? Because all the other people are *dead*. We are the survivors who have the genetics to cope with it. Secondly, vaccination. If you get infected in the West, and you are unvaccinated, you benefit from everyone around you being vaccinated. The disease can't spread as far or as fast. Infections aren't as severe, you aren't being exposed to the same quantity of the virus or as many strains of it. You're in a protective bubble which isn't even visible. It's called "herd immunity", because the population as a whole benefits from the immunity as a result of vaccination, even if the vaccination rate is not 100%.

      Death rates from measles in the West had come down to 1/200 (UK) - 1/500 (US) before the introduction of vaccination programmes. This was largely down to improvements in overall living standards (primarily nutrition) and medical care in the early-mid 20th century. Today, even those numbers are a memory. Today, we are complacent because we have forgotten how awful a killer measles can be. Aside from the deaths, also consider the chance of permanent brain damage, permanent hearing loss or partial loss, or other permanent damage to the body. It's not just a few itchy spots for a week, it's a deadly serious infection.

      "Anti-vaxxers" aren't being lied to. They are simply profoundly ignorant about the disease and the risks involved. They are only safe today to make their stupid choices because everyone else gets vaccinated. Once a critical number opt out of being vaccinated, and herd immunity is compromised, then measles epidemics will return. This story is one of several, and it will continue to get worse until we sort out the issues with people not being vaccinated.

  3. Re:30 in 7.4 million by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    30 cases in 26 days in a State of 7.4 million people is a state of emergency?

    Exactly. It would make so much more sense to wait, and let the situation spiral out of control before acting.

  4. Impetus by jargonburn · · Score: 2

    Hopefully, the energy from this outcry can be harnessed to push for better education about vaccines in areas where superstition and ignorance have lead to such a circumstance.

  5. Re:Right wing religious nuts by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, Clark County is in the middle of Washington's opium country. Don't trust those vaccinations made by 'the man'. But hand me the needle with some unknown mixture of heroin and Fentanyl.

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  6. Re:Vaccinations are bad by mspohr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Vaccines haven't contained mercury for many years. Fake news.
    Vaccines don't cause autism. This has been extensively studies and debunked. Fake news.

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  7. Re:Mix the anti vax idiots with by mspohr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Immigrants are much more likely to have been vaccinated than the ignorant antivaxers in Washington state.

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  8. Re:Mix the anti vax idiots with by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    the 10's of thousands of medical unknowns flowing across our open southern border and it is no wonder measles, tb and such are making a real come back

    Measles vaccination rate in America: 92%
    Measles vaccination rate in Mexico: 96%

    Measles vaccination rates by country

    Also, you may want to look at a map. Clark County, Washington is a long way from the southern border.

    Clark County is a prosperous suburb of Portland, and not many poor Mexicans can afford to live there. It is only 4% Hispanic, and they are not causing this problem.

  9. Re:30 in 7.4 million by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Informative

    Regarding your supposition that those ill were unimmunized... yep, spot on.

      Age
                    1 to 10 years: 21 cases
                    11 to 18 years: nine cases
                    19 to 29 years: one case

      Immunization status
                    Unverified: four cases
                    Unimmunized: 27 cases

    Souce: Clark County website.

    TL;DR: The whole outbreak appears to have been rather preventable, but you apparently can't immunize against stupidity and willful ignorance.

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  10. Re:Right wing religious nuts by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This outbreak is happening in liberal suburbs of Portland.

    Anti-vaxxers do not follow the normal pattern of political polarization. Instead, it is common among extremists in either direction. Left-wing anti-vaxxers believe vaccinations are a corporate conspiracy. Right-wing anti-vaxxers believe vaccinations are a government conspiracy. Moderates on both sides vaccinate their kids.

  11. Want to Ignore It by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just want to ignore the whole thing. If someone who chose not to get vaccinated gets sick, just give them some healing crystals and leave them alone.

    But unfortunately, not everyone who gets sick will be by choice. The vaccines aren't 100%, so some people may get sick even with immunization. Some infants are too young to get vaccinated, and they can easily die if they get sick. Some people have medical conditions that prevent immunization, and they are also at serious risk.

    So much as I would like to ignore the sick and tell them "I told you so," we just can't do that. Also, it's not fair to not take care of kids just because their parents are stupid.

    It's time to say get a vaccine or don't go to public schools. The only exceptions should be kids with compromised immune systems that can't be vaccinated. If parents don't like it, they can save the schools money and homeschool.

    1. Re:Want to Ignore It by bsolar · · Score: 2

      It's time to say get a vaccine or don't go to public schools. The only exceptions should be kids with compromised immune systems that can't be vaccinated. If parents don't like it, they can save the schools money and homeschool.

      School is not the only place where children interact, not to mention vaccination is not only relevant to children.

      The question is whether unvaccinated people are a serious danger to the public health. The scientific consensus is yes, so vaccination has to be mandatory (except for medical reasons of course). Public health considerations must trump any personal freedom considerations.

  12. Re:Right wing religious nuts by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    It's fine when people on the wings agree for the same reasons: some things are just obvious. If people on the wings agree with each other for radically different reasons (and disagree with the middle) that's a pretty good indication they're being massive dumbasses.

    See also Brexit.

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  13. Re:Right wing religious nuts by guruevi · · Score: 2

    >50% of people voted for Brexit. Calling people stupid because they have a certain political view, is in itself stupid.

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  14. Please consider the immuno-compromised. by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative

    A family we're friendly with have the most wonderful daughter, who went through a brain tumor and had chemotherapy until her brain was developed enough to use focused radiation to get rid of the thing. She's fine now, but for years she was immuno-compromised. An un-vaccinated child in school could have been a disease vector leading to her death.

    People all around you have chemo, get autologous bone marrow transplants and spend a week with no immune system, etc. During that, your unwillingness to vaccinate can kill them. Not that killing your own kid is any nicer. Please get your family all of their shots.

    1. Re:Please consider the immuno-compromised. by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      School is one thing, but there are many venues where two children can come into contact. There isn't really a legitimate reason not to vaccinate. Not any substantial religious reason - people are smart enough to make them kosher and halal, not that you are eating them in the first place. And the various conspiracy theorists have blood on their hands.

    2. Re:Please consider the immuno-compromised. by mhotchin · · Score: 2

      You have to remember that the people deciding not to vaccinate are, in fact, complete sociopaths. A common 'rebuttal' to your line of reasoning is "I will not set my child on fire in order to keep your child warm." Yep, they actually think that the vanishingly small chance of an adverse reaction outweighs the substantial chance that measles would be a *death sentence* for cancer patients - the death rate among cancer patients catching measles is about 50%.

  15. Re:Vaccine and Autism Link Is Rare But Does Happen by Shikaku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first word of that URL after the domain completely invalidates what you just said. Also, frankly, fuck you because you are hurting people indirectly by trying to convince them that vaccines are bad when they save a lot more lives then they could ever hurt, in all of history, ever possible.

  16. Not just debunked - **PROVEN** to be fraudulent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Andrew Wakefield et al concocted a scheme based on "litigation based testing":

    Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare ... Who perpetrated this fraud? There is no doubt that it was Wakefield. Is it possible that he was wrong, but not dishonest: that he was so incompetent that he was unable to fairly describe the project, or to report even one of the 12 children's cases accurately? No. A great deal of thought and effort must have gone into drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted: the discrepancies all led in one direction; misreporting was gross. Moreover, although the scale of the GMC's 217 day hearing precluded additional charges focused directly on the fraud, the panel found him guilty of dishonesty concerning the study's admissions criteria, its funding by the Legal Aid Board, and his statements about it afterwards.

    and

    In a BMJ follow-up article on 11 January 2011,[24] Deer said that based upon documents he obtained under Freedom of information legislation, Wakefield—in partnership with the father of one of the boys in the study—had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing"

    Yep - the "father" of the "vaccines cause autism" HOAX seems to have agreed to split the profits with the families of the children in his "study".

    How much were those projected profits?

    Well, now that you asked:

    the $43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" and that "the initial market for the diagnostic will be litigation-driven testing of patients with AE [autistic enterocolitis, an unproven condition concocted by Wakefield] from both the UK and the US"

    Finally:

    In October 2012, research published in PNAS, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, identified Wakefield's 1998 paper as the most cited retracted scientific paper, with 758 citations, and gave the "reason for retraction" as "fraud".

    The Lancet article that Wakefield used to start this scam has been retracted.

  17. Better suggestion by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A more fitting action would be to send her to the affected county to care for the infected where she can see firsthand how bad measles really is. I'd offer her the vaccine before she goes too - it's amazing how many people actually believe in science when their survival is on the line regardless of what they may say publicly.

    Ultimately that might undo some of the damage she has caused, far more so than simply putting her in jail.

  18. Re:30 in 7.4 million by radarskiy · · Score: 2

    "30 cases in 26 days in a State of 7.4 million people is a state of emergency?"

    In 2017, there were 120 recorded cases in USA.
    In 2018, there were 349 recorded cases in USA.

    So yes, 30 cases in 26 days in one county is a dramatic increase.

  19. Re:Vaccinations are bad by quantaman · · Score: 5, Informative

    They contain mercury which is a neurotoxin.

    Water contains hydrogen, which is an explosive.

    Fortunately, chemistry doesn't work like that or smokers would die of explosions instead of lung cancer.

    They also cause autism.

    There is zero evidence to this.

    And thiomersal was removed from most vaccines, not because there was any evidence it was harmful, it's just what the conspiracy theorists and antivax con-artists latched onto so the CDC asked manufactures to remove them. Of course the CDC missed the point, the antivaxxers went after thiomersal not because they have any evidence, they were just against vaccines and it was the easiest target.

    Removing thiomersal didn't cause them to trust vaccines, it just caused them to switch to a harder to remove target.

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  20. Re:Mix the anti vax idiots with by quantaman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the 10's of thousands of medical unknowns flowing across our open southern border and it is no wonder measles, tb and such are making a real come back

    Measles vaccination rate in America: 92%
    Measles vaccination rate in Mexico: 96%

    Measles vaccination rates by country

    Also, you may want to look at a map. Clark County, Washington is a long way from the southern border.

    Clark County is a prosperous suburb of Portland, and not many poor Mexicans can afford to live there. It is only 4% Hispanic, and they are not causing this problem.

    LOL, Mexicans literally have to worry about sick Americans bringing diseases into their country!

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  21. Out of sight out of mind... by burtosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Americans have it easy today. Women don't die in child birth in any significant numbers. You don't need to have 6 babies to see 3 reach thier teenage years. Almost no one gets horrible diseases that kill, cripple, disfigure, and often cause unending pain for the remainder of your life. When every person either had family or friends that they watched contract horrible diseases like polio, they were scared shitless of suffering the same fate. When the first vaccines came out, people lined up around the block and people fought shortages to keep up with demand. It was hailed as a miracle, and people couldn't believe they might finally be free of these unimaginable afflictions plaguing humanity.

    Nowadays, with vaccinations keeping these diseases under control, very few have had a family member who has been crippled, had a lifelong friend die, or even seen the afflicted in person. They lack the imagination necessary to place themselves in this world lost to medical progress and have become complacent, ignorant, and lazy with regard to the seriousness of the situation. It's absolutely disgusting.

  22. Re:Right wing religious nuts by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those aren't mutually exclusive. Clark County is SW Washington's conservative sinkhole.

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  23. Re:30 in 7.4 million by careysub · · Score: 2

    30 cases in 26 days in a State of 7.4 million people is a state of emergency?

    Well the fire was confined initially to just a pot on the stove, but that was very localized, so we didn't feel it required any immediate action. Then once the cabinets above the stove caught fire, it still seemed really localized, do we thought we should just wait and see. Once we forced out of the kitchen entirely we decided to call the fire department, if it still continued to spread. Well once the living room drapes went up, we thought that emergency action probably was needed, and we did call the fire department, after we finished eating lunch on the lawn.

    What couldn't they save our house? Effing gubbmint incompetents.

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  24. Re:Right wing religious nuts by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 2

    The outbreak is in Clark County, the conservative sinkhole of SW Washington and the Portland Metro area. It is across the Columbia River, in a different state. They are also responsible for not allowing a new bridge to be built across the Columbia because there would be tolls on the bridge to pay for it, just like there were for the original bridge.

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  25. Re:LOL? by quantaman · · Score: 3, Informative

    What's so funny, dude?

    Yes, the people of Mexico should have a proper level of concern if there is an outbreak of illness among their northern neighbors that could affect them.

    It's funny because of all the racist rhetoric in the US about "dirty Mexicans" bringing in diseases.

    And yes, it's perfectly appropriate to "LOL" about serious issues.

    What's inappropriate is laughing at the suffering of others or using humour to disguise offensive views.

    But using humour to point out a particular racist argument is flawed? That's perfectly legit.

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  26. Re:Right wing religious nuts by meglon · · Score: 2

    Nope, again. Clark county is a lean republican county currently....not by a large amount, but definitely a lean.

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  27. from Twitter by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I saw a comment, probably from twitter that said:

    "If my kid is not allowed to bring a peanut butter sandwich to school, your kid should not be allowed to bring an easily preventable disease to school."

    That pretty much covers it.

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  28. Re:Vaccinations are bad by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    They contain mercury which is a neurotoxin.

    Water contains hydrogen, which is an explosive.

    Fortunately, chemistry doesn't work like that or smokers would die of explosions instead of lung cancer.

    You're missing something far more fundamental. The MMR vaccine hasn't contained mercury for 2 decades (in any form since as you quipped ethylmercury and elemental mercury are not the same thing).