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The Mystery Tracks Being 'Forced' on Spotify Users (musicbusinessworldwide.com)

It's been nearly two years since news blog MusicBusinessWorld kicked off a global conversation over 'fake artists' on Spotify. That debate is about to roar back into life. From a report: Multiple Spotify users have been complaining that their official listening history on Spotify appears to have been infiltrated by acts that they don't simply recognize. The trend was spotted by the BBC, which reported on Friday that plays of 'mystery' tracks from artists such as Bergenulo Five, Bratte Night, DJ Bruej and Doublin Night were being credited within individual Spotify user accounts -- despite these same users knowing nothing about this music.

"Apart from being musically unremarkable, they generally have a few things in common: short songs with few or no lyrics, illustrated with generic cover art, and short, non-descriptive song titles," said the Beeb of these acts -- some of whom had managed to rack up tens of thousands of plays. Albums from these artists contained more than 40 songs apiece, with each track just a minute or two in duration. After the BBC alerted Spotify to the trend, all of these artists disappeared from its platform entirely.

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  1. Now this is music by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    My favorite band on Spotify is Various Artists (or maybe it's The Various Artists). They rock. Versatile, too.

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    1. Re:Now this is music by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      They are my least favorite. They can't even stick to a genre, plus the band members seem to change every week.

    2. Re:Now this is music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are a cheap bar band knockoff of simply Various, but I'll grant you that they may be slightly more popular than Original Cast Recording.

    3. Re:Now this is music by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Yeah, The Original Caste hasn't released anything since 1974 so their popularity has likely waned over the years....

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Original_Caste

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTBx-hHf4BE&ab_channel=SoheilKoushan

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    4. Re:Now this is music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before streaming, my favorite band was named Verbatim, according to my old CD collection.

    5. Re:Now this is music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favourite is Trad.

    6. Re:Now this is music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer The TDK.

  2. Only removed when "discovered" by Quakeulf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Makes me think Spotify was in on it too for one reason or the other. Probably to see what they can get away with.

    1. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooops! Pay no attention to the band behind the curtain.

    2. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sounds rather similar to the "Rueda" scam run by the SGAE in Spain. It's the royalty administration organisation, and a small group teamed up to play non-tracks all night when no-one was listening, "earning" themselves a large cut of the royalties and of the votes in the organisation.

    3. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by fortythirteen · · Score: 1

      To what ends? I think it would make a lot more sense that someone got in through APIs to upload music to the system and then used stolen creds to play those songs for royalty fees.

    4. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If that had been what happened, there would be a press release, followed by a police investigation and report. The silent correction with no explanation suggests it was an inside job. Likely they caught their own staff doing this, and are embarrassed to publicly admit it.

    5. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To what ends? I think it would make a lot more sense that someone got in through APIs to upload music to the system and then used stolen creds to play those songs for royalty fees.

      I love how you've been voted down for common sense. This in no way benefits Spotify. They don't want customers pissed off by fake music nor do they want to mistakenly pay fake artists for the plays of those fake songs. What could Spotify possibly get from this? Bad press? GP is an idiot.

    6. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Might be to see if someone reacted and how long it would take before they did.

      Never underestimate the ways people are tracked today.

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    7. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by fortythirteen · · Score: 1

      What if the real story is how stupidly easy it is to upload your own music to the Spotify platform (and possibly how easy it is to fake listens with their API), and they don't want to let anyone know that door is still open?

    8. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Multiple Spotify users have been complaining that their official listening history on Spotify appears to have been infiltrated by acts that they don't simply recognize.

      1. Spotify or allied company is computer generating songs with the speculation it will create a 100% human free hit song w/ all of the royalty money inbound
      2. Spotify is adding filler material to reduce the royalties it pays out for listeners playing an excessive amount of music
      3. It's paid placement / bartering for placement of some sort
      4. It's a tracking mechanism
      5. It's undistracting music based on the acellertaion / movememnt of the phone.

      One could dig the artist info, record label, producer information and see if they tie back to a single company.

    9. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the fake roads or streams map makers add as watermarks.

    10. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Possible, but most companies usually spin that situation like "never fear, we found the evildoers hacking our servers and we've taken steps to address the security problem" even if they don't actually take any steps whatsoever.

    11. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Vreejack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More likely someone was scamming Spotify. Artists get paid per song play, not per minute of stream time, so a bunch of short songs can cost Spotify much more than otherwise. Someone figured out how to fake song plays by different users, probably by hacking the accounts of people with weak passwords and simply using them to play a lot of one-minute rubbish when the legitimate user was offline.

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    12. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      If they make a fake band, then they pay that fake band money, then they're just losing that money. There's no financial benefit here unless they're into money laundering. More likely that someone is trying to scam Spotify.

    13. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4b: It's someone's research project tying to test how real Spotify is about returning royaties to artists based on their model on this data.

      I suspect it would be terribly inaccurate, but someoen probably thinks this is a good idea.

    14. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by SNRatio · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A few years ago if you looked on Amazon you could find 13 Kindle genre fiction books about "stormed linoleum: "Emperor of the Stormed Linoleum", "Lash of the Stormed Linoleum", "Linoleum of the Stormed Runelord", etc.

      The books themselves were full of gibberish. Each of them was by a different author, but each of those authors wrote nothing but nonsense titles full of gibberish like:

      "Everyone else forecast they?d find yourself collectively and partnered by the point they certainly were twenty. Well, they predicted correct; not in how they believed it can result. One-day within their sixteenth seasons, problems get a somewhat dreadful change, and products transform permanently."

      The scam worked because back then kindle Unlimited paid out by how many pages you read ... but it measured this by recording the furthest page visited in the book. The genuinely curious would open the book, see the beginning was gibberish, then check further in to see if it was still gibberish. Plus I'm sure bots with Kindle Unlimited accounts "read" quite a few.

      There is still one of these titles up:

      https://www.amazon.com/Way-Sto...

    15. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by LesFerg · · Score: 1

      Unless they contracted some musicians for a fixed rate to produce tracks which Spotify then owned fully.
      Then the listeners who let that stuff be played to them are still paying for music, but Spotify would not need to pay an artist for it. That would be profit straight to themselves.

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    16. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

      If this meant something to Spotify they would have stopped it earlier. I reacted only to the fact that Spotify stopped it AFTER it was pointed out in a news article. Usually these things are solved by algorithms on their own continuously.

    17. Re:Only removed when "discovered" by Askmum · · Score: 1

      for one reason or the other.

      ...Profit!

  3. "The Beeb"? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Apart from being musically unremarkable, they generally have a few things in common: short songs with few or no lyrics, illustrated with generic cover art, and short, non-descriptive song titles," said the Beeb of these acts -- some of whom had managed to rack up tens of thousands of plays.

    Are they quoting Justin Bieber here?

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    1. Re:"The Beeb"? by thomn8r · · Score: 2

      "Apart from being musically unremarkable, they generally have a few things in common: short songs with few or no lyrics, illustrated with generic cover art, and short, non-descriptive song titles," said the Beeb of these acts -- some of whom had managed to rack up tens of thousands of plays.

      Are they quoting Justin Bieber here?

      "Beeb" is their cute way of saying "BBC"

    2. Re:"The Beeb"? by DCFusor · · Score: 0

      Big Bag of Crap is better.

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    3. Re:"The Beeb"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quoting != talking about

      Also, the Justin Bieber meme is like 10 years old at this point, grandpa.

    4. Re:"The Beeb"? by havana9 · · Score: 1

      It could be a description of some industrial noise group. Some Thobbing Gristle cover group or something like this.

    5. Re:"The Beeb"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Justin Bieber be describing his own music?

  4. WHY?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do people put up with shite like this?! I decide what i'm listening to, the time where a radio station could pull something like this is long over.

    1. Re: WHY?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because millenials a) are dumb and b) ruin everything because they are dumb of course

  5. Newbies are getting rickrolled by nospam007 · · Score: 0

    Film at 11

  6. Easy way to avoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy MP3s (or rip CDs) of just the music you like, store it locally on your PC and Mobile device, and only listen to those tracks.

    1. Re:Easy way to avoid by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Buy MP3s (or rip CDs) of just the music you like, store it locally on your PC and Mobile device, and only listen to those tracks.

      Which I do, but a bunch of tracks are suffering from bit rot, so I need to re-rip them. But I have something like 100+GB of rips (of CDs that I physically own) so capacity is still an issue on portable devices.

      Another down side to this is that because I am in a music bubble of my own making and have probably been missing a bunch of new music that I would actually like.

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    2. Re:Easy way to avoid by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      ..But, AC, that would mean you're not drinking the corporate Kool-Aid that makes you want to pay, Pay, PAY every month forever and ever! You'll make the Baby Jesus cry! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!1!

      All these 'cord cutters' who think they were so smart by moving to 'streaming' everything are now starting to see the potential for abuse inherent in it, and the bait-and-switch, first-taste-is-free strategy is turning on them. Streaming services are charging more and more, approaching the diminishing returns point for subscribers. Glad I never fell for that.

    3. Re:Easy way to avoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, its perfectly all right to store only a part of your entire collection on your mobile device and then rotate it out every month or so.

    4. Re:Easy way to avoid by Bonker · · Score: 2

      >Another down side to this is that because I am in a music bubble of my own making and have probably been missing a bunch of new music that I would actually like.

      I think you may be grossly overestimating the quality of current North American-produced music. There are only a very few tracks worth listening to.

      Europop was getting *just* listenable again, but has suffered a setback in 'old steady' acts incorporating autotune. K- and J-Pop have become so bland over the last decade that it's like trying to enjoy the sound of pipes draining.

      The big problems making NA pop music unlistenable are

      a) a divorce between instrumental melody and vocals. The vocalists aren't just making the music 'their own', but are taking it home, microwaving it, and serving it as appetizers without ever listening to the rest of the song.

      b) increasing repetitiveness within songs. Consider Fleetwood Mac, which is typically really repetitive. They typically have songs that consist of a few, repeated verses and choruses. However, they have solid instrumentals backing their vocalists up. Now consider a slightly more recent act like Imagine Dragons, which frequently plays tracks consisting of an imaginative idea, very few lyrics to go along with it, and what amounts to synthesizer, drum and bass to back it. There are frequent repetitions *within* the verse and chorus, with very little attempt at structure, rhythm, or aesthetics.

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    5. Re:Easy way to avoid by Falos · · Score: 1

      Nah. I'd rather pay money so I can Just Hit Play on a genre nickname that supposedly represents the unique, inestimable Me.

      Never mind that they're all coming from one giant vat that mixes BONE MEAL and EARWIG HONEY.

      Oops, wrong joke. The feeds say CURRENT PRIORITIZATIONS and ADS.

      So, radio. But with an app!

    6. Re: Easy way to avoid by reanjr · · Score: 1

      NA-pop, Euro-pop, J-pop, K-pop...

      Maybe the problem is your preference for pop music. There are lots more options out there...

    7. Re: Easy way to avoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad that the alternatives are all terrible.

  7. Who knew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That the same industry that brought us such hits as "Payola" and "Cleans" would do something shady for an encore?

  8. Captain Obvious Here. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 0

    Someone was gaming the system for profit. Inside job? Thanks, I will let myself out.

  9. Sounds like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... an SQL NULL handling problem...?

  10. Beeb vs. Bieb by tepples · · Score: 1

    It depends on spelling. "The Beeb" is British Broadcasting Corporation, whereas "the Bieb" is Justin Bieber.

  11. perhaps a "watermark" by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    This sounds like the technique GPS map makers use to "watermark" their maps. They will add nonexistent features, and then can use those to see when someone simply copies their maps. For instance, I live near a large national park and my GPS claims there is a lake out there in the middle which never existed. perhaps Spotify is doing something similar with these ghost artists.

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    1. Re: perhaps a "watermark" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is your GPS provider, so that I may forever avoid them and their inaccurate maps?

    2. Re:perhaps a "watermark" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The term is "Trap street"... you're right, they will add non-existent streets and other features (or show curves in straight streets, etc). There's been at least one instance of an actual community springing up at the location of a "trap street" place-name.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street

      (captcha: "copying", which seems deliciously apt)

  12. ghost money? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    > After the BBC alerted Spotify to the trend, all of these artists disappeared from its platform entirely.

    ...but in the meantime, I strongly suspect, someone made a lot of money...

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    1. Re:ghost money? by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      It's Spotify, so someone probably made a little bit of money.

  13. labelling issue? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I'm not against the idea of having tunes that are not tied to a particular artist (for whatever reason). There's no reason to force the association.

    However, to group bunches of tune under a single (fake) artist and treat it like a real artist is misleading to the consumer and is a practice that encourages rigging the system to gain more listeners by creating (fake) mega artists.

    If they are "anonymous collections", then clearly label them as such so the consumer knows what they are looking at.

  14. Dirty Dirty Spotify by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dirty Dirty Spotify, reducing the number of plays of expensive songs and increasing the number of plays of cheap songs, so they can pay a smaller bill the the music industry.

  15. AI generated music maybe? by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

    It'd be kinda cool if it had been a machine-generation experiment.

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    1. Re:AI generated music maybe? by White+Yeti · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking: some sort of procedurally-generated music. If it's not Spotify itself, then maybe the AI is already sentient and testing scams, or it's the work of a 1960's Batman villain.

  16. Fake Artists on Spotify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sign me up for the Milli Vanilli channel!

  17. Ha Ha. Secure Platform! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Totes the future of music!

  18. Still available elsewhere by Bamfarooni · · Score: 2

    For the curious, the songs/artists are still available in other places like deezer: https://www.deezer.com/us/albu...

  19. It's your fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're dumb it's because YOU are dumb. It was YOUR generation's responsibility to teach them. YOU FAILED.