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Nintendo Reportedly Plans Smaller and Cheaper Switch For This Year (engadget.com)

According to a report from Nikkei, Nintendo is developing a smaller and cheaper version of the Switch focused on portability, and without some of the features in the original console. "A rumor in October suggested Nintendo was developing a new Switch, but instead of improving on the existing model, it's just as likely the company is looking for ways to streamline the system," notes Engadget. From the report: As Ars Technica speculates, the console's plastic dock could be the first thing to go. It's available separately for $90, and there are also cheaper ways to get your Switch to output to a TV (it's relying on a USB-C connection, after all). Nintendo could conceivably move towards a smaller and cheaper screen, and potentially even make the controller a physical part of the console, instead of the removable Joy-Cons. It also wouldn't be out of character for Nintendo to break existing functionality with a console revamp -- the 2DS was a cheaper spin on the 3DS that was still very playable without 3D.

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  1. Nickeling and Diming by DrYak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like a way for Nintendo to actually increase profits :

    The base "Switch Lite" will be cheaper, but :

      - The whole raison d'être of the Nintendo Switch and its success is the ability to seamlessly switch from portable console on the move to big screen in your living room.
      - So you'll buy a separate Nintendo-branded official dock (because their USB-C connector isn't 100% standard-compliant, and some of the cheap 3rd party accessory don't actually work perfectly).
      - So you'll buy a separate controller for the big screen mode if the "Switch Lite" doesn't have detachable controller. (Other wise you'll have to use the whole console tethered to the big TV screen as a giant controller, in the style of SEGA Nomad). And you can bet that Nintendo will find a way to have you buy preferably Nintendo-branded joycons, instead of any random Bluetooth controller. (e.g.: the proprietary gyro and accelerometers and other extra that a joycon has in addition to any no-name asian bluetooth gamepad)

    etc.

      - Of course all of the above will come with an extra "Nintendo tax" in the price.
    Because Shareholders/Profits/Why not.

    (me ? sorry, but I'm already more than happy with my Pi).

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    1. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, you are not in the target market for the product. Bravo to you, please accept this virtual and invisible special edition miniature violin. Indeed - Its the worlâ(TM)ds smallest - I think I can hear it playing a sad lament right now.

    2. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, Nintendo's guerrilla marketing team is salty AF. I did not see that coming.

    3. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FIRST reason for buying a Nintendo console is buying very nicely done first party Nintendo games. Everything else like having an hybrid portable plus TV system is just Nintendo advancing the console industry as they have always done.

    4. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be the opposite. I was not expecting someone attacking an AC just because tells a guy he's not right.

    5. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The console videogames market is for those that have shit for brains. Nintendo isn't doing anything special that Sony and Microsoft haven't already done.

    6. Re: Nickeling and Diming by stealth_finger · · Score: 1, Funny

      Congratulations, you are not in the target market for the product.

      The target audience being kids and nintendo fanboys. Oh wait here comes a new batch of the same games again.

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    7. Re: Nickeling and Diming by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      It may be the opposite. I was not expecting someone attacking an AC just because tells a guy he's not right.

      You're either sarcastic or new lol

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    8. Re:Nickeling and Diming by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Everything else like having an hybrid portable plus TV system is just Nintendo advancing the console industry as they have always done.

      Here, have something that's the worst of both worlds.

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    9. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's already an old nvidia shield tablet being sold with a smaller screen at twice the price.

      Nintendo,the ultimate utter nickle and diming bastards, reselling the same shit over and over.

    10. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The base "Switch Lite" ...

      I think "Lite Switch" has a better ring to it.

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    11. Re:Nickeling and Diming by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      The whole raison d'être of the Nintendo Switch and its success is the ability to seamlessly switch from portable console on the move to big screen in your living room.

      No, lets face it. The Switch was intended from the start to be Nintendo's way of gracefully exiting the console market while still saving face. The dock was always an afterthought. Nintendo gave up trying to keep up with Sony and MS a long time ago, and the Switch is just their transitional device. It was never intended as a successor to their console line. It's a successor to the 3DS. This is just them wisely focusing on their real strength: the handheld market.

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    12. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too! I love that raspberry Pi

    13. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      False. I own literally every AAA system for the last 25 years. Nintendos entire approach is nothing like Sony or Microsoft. Quite the opposite has happened. Playstation move?

    14. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must suck to be you.

    15. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lmao yeah that's why everybody's buying it and everybody's loving it. You retard.

    16. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep up? They've been far ahead of both of them for a long time. And docked mode being an "afterthought"? Could've fooled me (and everyone else I know who owns a Switch). But I suppose you're the expert insider so you know best. :)

    17. Re:Nickeling and Diming by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Keep up? They've been far ahead of both of them for a long time.

      Yes, because the Switch's amazing 720p/1080p-on-a-good-day GPU, weak-as-fuck CPU, and online service that can't even match where Xbox Live was in 2002 are truly the envy of MS and Sony.

      What color is the sky in your world?

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    18. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, I know it's hard to accept that Nintendo is pretty much the top developer out there, while everyone else, including your personal favorite, is fighting over second place. It's best to just get over it, buddy.

    19. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) Every console/handheld has done this
      b) Nintendo denied this a week ago

    20. Re:Nickeling and Diming by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I don't think the Raspberry Pi has enough power to properly emulated Wii games, let along Wii U or Switch games.

      If you are happy with your Pi then you are fine with the old nostalgic games. There is no problem with that. However, there is no point on ranting about the new systems either.

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    21. Re: Nickeling and Diming by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      By what metric are they the top developer?

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    22. Re:Nickeling and Diming by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      lmao yeah that's why everybody's buying it and everybody's loving it. You retard.

      So you don't have an underpowered console and oversized handheld?

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    23. Re:Nickeling and Diming by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      it's already an old nvidia shield tablet being sold with a smaller screen at twice the price.

      Nintendo,the ultimate utter nickle and diming bastards, reselling the same shit over and over.

      Don't forget their £80 packs of cardboard.

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    24. Re:Nickeling and Diming by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I like Nintendo. I have a Wii-U... However Nintendo has been lagging behind its competition for about 20 years.
      The Nintendo Game Cube was the last product that was roughly on-par technically with its competitors.

      I had to wait for the Wii-U to support 1080p graphics, while the PlayStation and Xbox had supported it for years.
      Its 3d Graphical processing is behind even low end integrated PC graphics. Nintendo put all their R&D into 2dish graphics, which is great for the games that Nintendo likes to sell. Cartoon based games. But their lack of hardware, has caused a problem for non-nintendo game makers to make their games for the platform, as it not balances for the games they want to make.

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    25. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Jahoda · · Score: 1

      In defense of the Nintendo Pro controller, while objectively expensive, and this is my subjective opinion: the build quality and overall quality of the product can't be overstated. Well made, with good feel and responsiveness, and quite a lot of gyro tech. None of the bullshit I've had with Xbox one wireless controller battery packs, none of the periodical droupouts I'll get using the windows dongle.

    26. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The console videogames market as you know it is modeled AFTER each Nintendo move since the 80s.

    27. Re:Nickeling and Diming by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      Except for the part where in the real world, barely anyone, ever, connects the Switch to a TV screen.

    28. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you own Nintendo stock or do you just want to feel personally gratified for having a Nintendo?

    29. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Most of the recent console systems in memory have introduced a "half-generation" upgrade, which typically reduces costs, reduces the console size, and tweaked features and capabilities (sometimes improved, sometimes reduced). This has also been a typical pattern for Nintendo's handhelds as well. This new Switch seems to fall in line with this general trend.

      In my recollection, console refreshes have been a good deal for the consumer, precisely the opposite of what you're suggesting, because they have to attract *new* customers. The die-hard Nintendo fans already have their console. How would you expect them to win new customers by creating an objectively worse product? Going more portable seems like a reasonable way to distinguish themselves from their competitors, and plays to their systems' strengths.

      Everything is just rumor and speculation at this point anyhow. I'm curious to see what they come up with. I've been holding off a Switch because I have both an Xbox One and PS4, with a backlog of games for them (not to mention a bunch of PC games). So, I'll probably just wait a while longer to see if the new Switch seems better or worse to me, and make my decision accordingly.

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    30. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By what metric are they the top developer?

      Repolishing the same decades old turd and sniffing used undergarment.

    31. Re:Nickeling and Diming by omnichad · · Score: 1

      In the real world, I haven't bought a switch, because I don't want to pay for a built-in screen that I won't use. I'm not alone.

    32. Re: Nickeling and Diming by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      By what metric are they the top developer?

      Repolishing the same decades old turd and sniffing used undergarment.

      Credit where it's due they are the masters of that. EA look on in awe.

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    33. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have a Switch with a pro controller and a PS4.

      PS4 controller feels like cheap Chinese shit. Because it is. Remember kids you get what you pay China for.

    34. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Saying that the PS3 and 360 supported 1080p is like saying the Switch supports 1080p. In a handful of games, maybe, but most PS3/360 games were closer to 720p, if not lower (Halo 3 ran at 640p, for example), and the first few revisions of the 360 didn't support 1080p output over anything but VGA. They were what the Wii U had to compete with for the first year of its life. Of course, even "720p-ish" graphics of the PS3 and 360 were a big step up over the Wii's notoriously soft 480p output. There's a reason why there has been so much interest in third-party GameCube 480p solutions (now finally available since the GCN digital video output has been reverse engineered) despite the fact that it's been cheap and easy to play GameCube games at 480p using a Wii with component cables.

      The Switch is better seen as huge upgrade over its handheld competitors, one that just happens to have built-in support for TV-out, like a Game Boy Advance and Game Boy Player all in one. The fact that certain developers like Panic Button have been so successful porting current generation games like Doom to the switch is just a bonus.

    35. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      The only statistics that I've seen show the split was roughly half of players using it primarily as a mobile console, and half of players using it primarily as a fixed console.

    36. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey I'm not a user either, but, hey, let me give you a bunch of reasons copied from an Apple thread as to why this is horrible.

      This is the ultimate "if you don't like it, don't buy it", it's just another Switch edition . . .

    37. Re:Nickeling and Diming by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      Hi, I live in the real world, and 99% of my Switch gaming is done on my 58" TV. It's nice to take on the road on trips, but when I'm home it's parked in the dock for days.

    38. Re: Nickeling and Diming by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      > Oh wait here comes a new batch of the same games again.

      Yeah, go back to PS and Xbone for the innovation of new franchises like Call of Duty, Battlefield, God of War, GTA, Assassin's Creed, and the NHL/NBA/Madden/NCAA/FIFA series. Sooo much more innovative and totally not at all reskins of previous annual releases...

    39. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      I've played my switch in mobile mode about 6 times, half of them were on my boat either in the marina or at anchor
       
      The vast majority of the time spent playing the thing is playing mario kart with family on the big screen tv in the living room. In fact, other than Hollow Knight, the new Mario game an Civilization 6, they are all 4 player multiplayer games. I'm sure for the under-21 crowd who don't have their own room/tv the switch is probably played mostly mobile, but there's a significant number of adults who have a switch rather than buy a $1500 gaming laptop to play the same indie games on steam

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    40. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you REALLY think the PS4 Pro and Xbox X are not underpowered?? Haha :-D From a PC gamer's perspective there's not much difference between these two and a Nintendo Switch. But being able to play anywhere, that seems pretty nice. And it seems both Android and iPhone users buy the console without minding they already have portable game machines integrated in their phones.

      Captcha: truths

    41. Re:Nickeling and Diming by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      > No, lets face it. The Switch was intended from the start to be Nintendo's way of gracefully exiting the console market while still saving face

      Oh this canard again? Normally the naysayers only throw out the "Nintendo's exiting the console market" phrase when their console sales are doing poorly, like in the Gamecube or Wii U days, instead of trying it when the latest console is on fire in the market.

      Nintendo builds whatever makes the most money. Consoles sell, and Nintendo builds theirs (unlike Microsoft and Sony) to sell at a profit instead of a loss. The 3DS and 2DS also sell very well, but sell to different segments. Most families aren't going to buy 3 switches for 3 kids, they'll buy 3 3/2DSs though. And a Switch. Unless they can build a fully functional Switch for less than $100 US all in, the DS line's not going anywhere.

    42. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HDMI out was available on the PSP. Nintendo certainly Appleized the concept by making it look nicer and marketing it really hard, but the idea was far from new.

    43. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      That Nintendo Switch Pro controller is so nice, Valve even added support for it to Steam.

    44. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      The fact there's no way to disable charging while docked encourages a lot of battery conservationists to use it mobile just to not waste it.

    45. Re:Nickeling and Diming by zerocommazero · · Score: 1

      This is all about multiple Switches per household sales. They lost that when they discontinued the DS/3DS. They also created a hole in that pricing market so this is the perfect reason to make a cheaper model, especially with a new Animal Crossing and Pokemon this year.

    46. Re:Nickeling and Diming by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The whole raison d'être of the Nintendo Switch and its success is the ability to seamlessly switch from portable console on the move to big screen in your living room.

      No. The raison d'être of the Nintendo Switch is to play the latest Nintendo games. The fact that you can play them portably is a bonus.

      Of course all of the above will come with an extra "Nintendo tax" in the price.

      A tax worthy of paying for a decent and fun games library. Remember that word? Fun? You can keep your AAA garbage.

    47. Re:Nickeling and Diming by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Except for the part where in the real world, barely anyone, ever, connects the Switch to a TV screen.

      Errr You live in a different real world than the rest of the population clearly. Most Switches spend their home lives connected to the TV. Being portable is a bonus that many people ignore.

      Now I truly admit there is a sense of irony that I wanted to play the Switch today, pulled out the controller, turned on the TV and ... damn the wife took it to work.

    48. Re:Nickeling and Diming by zerocommazero · · Score: 1

      The Switch was their way of having just a single product line going forward. They made plenty of complaints that breaking into HD graphics (Sony and MS did that in the PS3/XB360 gen) for the Wii U while also developing for the 3DS was why the software releases were so slow for both device lines. They ceded out of trying to compete directly with Sony/MS with the Wii after lackluster pickup of the Gamecube. Wii U was their worst selling console ever. It just makes sense considering their target audience is families, not hardcore gaming.

    49. Re:Nickeling and Diming by zerocommazero · · Score: 1

      I guess you haven't been paying attention to the releases on the 3DS. It's been near dead since the Switch released. As far as a canard about exiting the console market, he meant the traditional console market which Nintendo has created 3 devices that have done that, Wii, Wii U, Switch. They aren't even trying to compete with Sony and MS directly and rightly so. Nintendo has complained that developing for two systems (Wii U and 3DS) was slowing their releases to a crawl and mentioned creating a parity with just one device which was smart. The whole purpose of the Switch Lite is to create a cheaper SKU to pick up the DS./3DS users, like my kids since dropping support has created a hole. They want to get the multiples console per a household sales back. With the new Animal Crossing and Pokemon released this year, they could pull it off easily.

    50. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I'm fairly certain you are alone there, or at least part of a very small minority, because that is a very weird thing to say. Does this extend to other things? You won't buy a car because it has a radio that you won't use? You won't buy a laptop because it has an ethernet port you won't use? You won't buy a cookbook because it contains a few recipes that you'll never make? Obviously these are just examples of things that people might not use, I don't know you personally so maybe you would use all of them. But my point is I am sure there are plenty of other things that you buy that contain things you will never use, so why is Nintendo different?

    51. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nintendo fanboys are out in full force today.

    52. Re:Nickeling and Diming by wed128 · · Score: 1

      You mean "people who don't know how LiPo batteries work"?

    53. Re:Nickeling and Diming by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      People who actually know how marketing lies work.

    54. Re:Nickeling and Diming by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Because a touch screen and battery are not an insignificant part of the cost. The tablet/dock combo is too fragile and a console unit would be sturdier. Those are two really good reasons. That I don't usually buy a console in the $300+ range is another, but considering how underpowered it is, the first reason is probably a big part of the price tag.

    55. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know I'll get hate for saying it but the Switch is essentially just a PS Vita with detachable controllers, shittier buttons/joysticks, and a bigger screen.

    56. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God I hope the pro controller is worth a shit, the joycons fucking suck. Mushy shitty joysticks and cramped uncomfortable layout for buttons (and mushy shitty buttons).

      Honestly the shittiness of the joycons is a huge contributor to why I don't want to pay money for the fucking thing.

    57. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The SEGA fucking GameGear could output to a TV, so yeah, the idea wasn't new, but Sony sure as hell didn't come up with it.

    58. Re:Nickeling and Diming by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you judge the cost / benefit ratio by the bill of materials vs the components you think are actually important.

      What a retarded approach. Normal people would judge the cost / benefit as "Do I want to spend this money to play these games". What next, you won't buy a car with cup holders since you don't drink coffee on the go?

    59. Re:Nickeling and Diming by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Cars are a bad example. They usually offer a stripped down base model. Cup holders are not the thing, but a high end radio is an expense that you have the option to take away and pay less.

    60. Re: Nickeling and Diming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it must suck to play superior games, with superior graphics, superior physics, superior AI, superior networking and moddability on a vastly superior platform.

      How I wish I could play shitty console games like you!

    61. Re: Nickeling and Diming by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they aren't the first party games being put out to sell their console and the ones that ninty hardware can handle usually make it over a year or so late. Also there are 250+ games in the mario franchise alone ( https://www.mariowiki.com/Mari... ) not even fifa could compete with that.

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  2. Replaceable battery by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    They owe us one where the batteries can be replaced. Things like video game consoles are precisely the sort of thing where the government should be outlawing planned obsolescence in the form of non-fixable batteries. "Send it in and we'll replace the battery or unit" should not be permissible on consumer electronics.

    1. Re:Replaceable battery by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Companies would ask why sell a phone / tablet every 5 years when you can sell a phone / tablet every 2 years if the battery is sealed in. This is something only a government can force them to do and it's way overdue.

    2. Re:Replaceable battery by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      They owe us one where the batteries can be replaced. Things like video game consoles are precisely the sort of thing where the government should be outlawing planned obsolescence in the form of non-fixable batteries. "Send it in and we'll replace the battery or unit" should not be permissible on consumer electronics.

      So change it yourself. It's technically user replaceable with a few screws and all that. Treat it as a IQ test. If you can figure it out, you can change the battery yourself. If you can't, you're really better off letting someone else do it.

  3. I thought switches were already pretty small? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We now have silicon chips containing BILLIONS of switches. Having a switch that fits in your pocket doesn't sound like a big deal. Isn't that basically a valve?

  4. New! Nintendo Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Then Switch U. Followed in 20 years with Switch Classic Mini.

  5. Smaller Node by mentil · · Score: 1

    I like how the 'cheaper option' linked has 24% 1-star reviews on Amazon. Probably not something you'd want to buy (main complaint is that it doesn't work).
    I find it unlikely they wouldn't pack in a dock. For one thing, it being a console that can also be used as a portable is the chief gimmick, and not including a dock means it wouldn't be convertible out-of-the-box. Second, those docks are a hunk of molded plastic with a few standard USB ports and wires in it, which probably costs a buck tops to manufacture.

    They might release a smaller dock, or not pack in the joycon grip. Making the screen smaller is possible, since it is pretty large to hold, and they've released various sizes of their past few portables. Probably, the 'smaller size' just means the chips will be made with the 7nm process, which will lower energy usage and allow for a smaller battery, which would make it lighter if they went that way rather than improve battery life. I still think the refresh will have a 1080p screen and run at its docked speed while in portable mode, to evade the performance problems that tend to appear when undocked. The marketing rationale behind killing 3d on the 2ds was that it was designed for young children who shouldn't be using the 3d feature anyway, even if that wasn't the real reason for it.

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    1. Re:Smaller Node by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

      OK, but as a counterpoint, the 2DS was the 3DS minus its main gimmick.

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  6. DS will phase out by sad_ · · Score: 1

    This new Switch-Mini, with it's focus on portability, being smaller and easier to carry around, having build-in controllers etc. will probably replace the DS line.
    What would be the point if keeping the DS around? The Switch-Mini will be more powerfull, more capable. It's only missing a second screen, but then again, it probably has 3x the resolution of a DS.

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    1. Re:DS will phase out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More powerful than any DS, yet significantly larger and much less "portable".

      Less powerful than a typical console, but oh, it's portable! Until you want to play it on a friend's TV for longer than the 30 minutes that the battery will last when outputting to a TV, which means you'll need to drag the dock along with you, you know, the one that came with a 2-foot power cord (seriously, wtf Nintendo???). And what?! No party chat when docked??!! WTF? Welp, there goes portability, think I'll just drag an Xbox one along with me instead.

      And some idiot here said Nintendo has been far ahead of the competition for years... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    2. Re:DS will phase out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking forward to this actually, get EDF onto it and it might finally replace the Vita!

    3. Re:DS will phase out by zerocommazero · · Score: 1

      Yep. There's a big hole for people in that price range right now, that the 2DS/3DS used to fill. That's exactly what this is all about and they'll still have just one product to design all of their games for.

  7. Good for Japanese market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are small people

  8. Servicing batteries by sjbe · · Score: 3, Informative

    They owe us one where the batteries can be replaced.

    They owe you nothing. They are offering a product for sale. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't. Either choice is fine. I like user replaceable batteries too but I'm under no illusion that companies are under any obligation to provide them. I have declined to purchase products where I felt that servicing them would be a problem in the future. Nothing Nintendo makes is a life necessity so don't buy it if it doesn't meet your quality and durability standards.

    Things like video game consoles are precisely the sort of thing where the government should be outlawing planned obsolescence in the form of non-fixable batteries.

    "Planned obsolescence"? They don't have to plan it. It's going to be obsolete in 2-4 years with no planning whatsoever. That's just how fast the market moves. Now if your argument was that by making devices that cannot be serviced they are making unnecessary landfill then I think you might have a reasonable argument. Having a device fail because the battery went dead and cannot be replaced (by user or by manufacturer) is something that is a real problem.

    "Send it in and we'll replace the battery or unit" should not be permissible on consumer electronics.

    If you don't like it don't buy it. I think your complaint is a perfectly legitimate reason to not buy it. But if you fork over the cash for it then obviously it wasn't really a deal breaker for you now was it? I agree that the battery should be replaceable in some fashion but insisting that it be user serviceable is unreasonable for some products. If they provide a means to have it replaced by the manufacturer for some appropriate length of time (similar to automobile service parts) then that is fine. I can think of several products where having the General Public poking around inside to replace a battery is not the best idea. User serviceable is obviously ideal when possible but don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

    1. Re:Servicing batteries by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They don't have to plan it. It's going to be obsolete in 2-4 years with no planning whatsoever. That's just how fast the market moves.

      I think if you look at the vast majority of people who play video games, nobody is throwing out games because they're four years old. "Obsolete" doesn't mean "Can't run the latest stuff", it means "Is no longer useful".

      My Wii and XBox 360 both see occasional use and work just fine. What the GP is complaining about is the notion that you'll have to throw out existing hardware in 2 years because it'll stop working properly. The fact it might not be able to run some of the latest games does not excuse that. It doesn't justify it. It's horrible, it's wrong, and it's not standard practice in the computer industry as a whole. The only reason people threw away their 360s after two years was because of the RRoD. Not because it was obsolete by 2010.

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    2. Re:Servicing batteries by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      nobody is throwing out games because they're four years old.

      You're right. They don't throw them out. They throw them in a drawer and let them get dusty. Back in the real world console[currentgen+1] has just been released, along with awesomegame[version+1]. Now watch your fun game sit at the loading screen endlessly with the text "Waiting for other players" flashing on the screen endlessly.

      Just because you're still able to throw a disc in and turn it on doesn't make it any less obsolete.

  9. Have to be able to remove joycons by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    There are many games that rely on the joycons as a pointer, being able to shake or manipulate them independently, or some games where you can only play holding them sideways. It wouldn't work if you can't remove them. Games like Mario Party, 1-2 Switch, Snipperclips, Just Dance, and more.

    Hopefully if it is a more portable Switch they will add things like StreetPass, like they did on 3DS, to make it a fun portable experience.

    1. Re:Have to be able to remove joycons by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Knowing Nintendo, they'll probably fix the controllers to the smaller, even crappier Switch and if you want to do the things you say then you'll have to buy a second set for $$$, along with a way to charge them for $$$.

    2. Re:Have to be able to remove joycons by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      Yes but Nintendo's focus will be on "portability" and using the joycon as a pointer or playing games multiplayer is marginally useful in a portable way (IE using the built in display as a portable device). So Nintendo could embed just the physical controls on the device and make that static (like a 2DS did away with the hinges), and have an HDMI port in the back. If someone whats to play on a TV then they can use the device as a controller, plus link joy-cons to them for other players or games that absolutely require them.

      That way Nintendo doesn't have to include joy-cons in the bundle for it to be playable. They may couple this with a slightly smaller screen, again, to focus on portability.

      I say there is a really good chance we will see a Switch with built in physical controls.

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    3. Re:Have to be able to remove joycons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds like a good idea, hopefully they drop the price on the joycons then. I wonder how you'd charge them without clipping them onto the system? Maybe you'd have to buy the charge grip but that raises the price barrier.

    4. Re:Have to be able to remove joycons by zerocommazero · · Score: 1

      98% of the games support handheld play. There's only the few that you listed that explicitly don't.

  10. Few without kids understand! by j33px0r · · Score: 1

    This is pretty sweet news! This will probably be in time for Xmas or birthdays.

    I have most of the good Wii U games for my kiddos, all bought used for about $15/each avg. Why buy a Wii U you ask? Let me repeat...$15/game vs $60/game. Most of the games are fun but only a few hours at best for the little ones. Nice thing is that I know they will come back and play them again when they are a little older.

    For those of you without kids, it is tricky to navigate spending too much, spoiling, and the sheer number of awe inspiring amount of cool toys out there for little kids right now! I'll take that one hook, line, and sinker!

  11. It's to Fix the Tegra Vulnerability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's to fix the Tegra vulnerability. This will disable the little hack people use.

  12. Look to the 3DS by gyp+casino · · Score: 1

    The only reason why the Switch did so well is the screen, Breath of the Wild, and Mario Odyssey. In terms of pure design, the 3DS was a far superior device. The 3DS's user interface was charming and rich. StreetPass was genius, and inspired me to carry around my 3DS for years. It was compatible with the previous generation games - having access to the huge DS library meant I was never at a loss for games to play. Virtual console was great. The clamshell case felt solid, unlike the Switch where I constantly feel like the joycons are going to snap off. My wish for the Switch Mini would be basically a 3DS XL an improved screen that can play Switch, 3DS, and DS games.

  13. while you're at it by swan5566 · · Score: 1

    Fix the design of the joy-cons. The buttons/thumbsticks on those things get messed up so easily.

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  14. If only SONY ... by Saffaya · · Score: 1

    Would finally realize, when looking at the SWITCH's success, how boneheaded it was to castrate the PS Vita by removing its ability to connect to a TV.

    Its predecessor the PSP, for all its flaws as a disc-based portable console, could be connected to a TV.
    You will never imagine how long I, incredulous, searched my VITA for the TV port and never found it.

    Removing a basic feature so that they could force you to buy a second model of VITA, the VITA TV (but not portable).
    Greed, greed and more greed.

    1. Re:If only SONY ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there's plenty of room in the Vita (at least the original one) for them to have included it too, almost as if it were there and then removed. Still the best handheld ever, I play mine 2 or 3 nights a week still. Thinking about buying another new in box while I still can in case it ever dies.

    2. Re:If only SONY ... by zerocommazero · · Score: 1

      This is going to be a cheaper SKU of the Switch as an alternative, like the 2DS was to the 3DS. It's not a replacement. It's all about getting the market they lost when they abandoned the DS/3DS price group.

  15. Give me some more ports, Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I apparently never get tired of the same goddamn game.

  16. Obsolete by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I think if you look at the vast majority of people who play video games, nobody is throwing out games because they're four years old.

    They might not throw them out but almost all of them sure as hell aren't playing them anymore. They are on to the next thing in most cases. Fortnite wasn't a thing 2 years ago and now every kid I know is playing it. Two years from now it will be something else. That's how it works and how is has worked for a long time. I was playing video games in the early 1980s and it was just as true then.

    "Obsolete" doesn't mean "Can't run the latest stuff", it means "Is no longer useful".

    Obsolete means many things and not being the current state of the art is definitely one of them. (that includes not running the latest stuff) The dictionary definition is "no longer produced or used; out of date." Plenty of things are useful that are also obsolete. Your Nintendo Wii is both useful and obsolete. The PC sitting 10 feet from me as I type this is both useful and obsolete.

    What the GP is complaining about is the notion that you'll have to throw out existing hardware in 2 years because it'll stop working properly.

    No he's complaining about having to send in the device for servicing because the battery went dead. I'm saying that he shouldn't buy that hardware if this is a deal breaker for him. I'm not saying his opinion of devices that are built like that is wrong, just that knowingly buying something like that and then pretending the company owes you something is absurd.

    It's horrible, it's wrong, and it's not standard practice in the computer industry as a whole.

    Ha! Have you seen a smartphone or a tablet in the last 10 years? It's absolutely standard practice. Lots of devices only last a few years and then have to be replaced. It's not wrong if the maker of the device and the buyer are both fine with it. You and I might not like it but our opinions are just opinions, not universal ethical standards.

    1. Re:Obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might not throw them out but almost all of them sure as hell aren't playing them anymore. They are on to the next thing in most cases.

      The problem with that argument is modern consoles are frequently obsolete whenever there aren't new games being released every few weeks. You make it sound like people only play one console for a period of time even if they have no games on it they want to play. I'd argue that the vast majority of people don't play any of their consoles enough by your logic, even if they only have one console hooked up at a time.

      Fortnite wasn't a thing 2 years ago and now every kid I know is playing it. Two years from now it will be something else. That's how it works and how is has worked for a long time. I was playing video games in the early 1980s and it was just as true then.

      There are estimates that there are 125 million Fortnite players across all platforms but only 40 million per month. Meanwhile, there are literally billions of smart phones, billions of PCs, and hundreds of millions of consoles sold. All you're really arguing is that there's usually one really popular thing that a substantial segment of the population jointly plays/follows. It speaks nothing about the majority of people. If estimates are true that there are ~2.21 billion gamers then less than 6% of gamers have ever played Fortnite.

      My point is, it's really unclear how you can begin to extrapolate anything from Fortnite or Fortnite like players. It's really unclear to me if latest-fad-game players are one coherent group even.

  17. Smaller? How about a Switch XL by nebaz · · Score: 1

    I like the switch, but never use the JoyCon controllers. The buttons are about half the size that they were on the Wii U. I understand wanting portability, but some of us bigger folks might like it too. I'd pay for bigger buttons on the joy cons.

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  18. usb-c dock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've had USB-C docks for laptops for at least the last three years (the ports appeared on 6th generation Intel CPU devices) , so it's not an unreasonable idea to let the Switch use any USB-C dock.

    As for controllers, this seems like a no-brainer, but Nintendo kinda sucks at doing this. Just put an additional USB-A/USB-C port on the dock and allow gamecube/n64/snes/nes to usb adapters/hubs to exist. Problem solved with the virtual console. FPGA consoles have already realized there is a desire for this functionality with the original model controllers.

  19. Even smaller and even cheaper by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    New one is less powerful than a midrange cell phone?

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