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Crime Prediction Software 'Adopted By 14 UK Police Forces' (bbc.com)
At least 14 UK police forces have made use of crime-prediction software or plan to do so, according to Liberty. From a report: The human rights group said [PDF] it had sent a total of 90 Freedom of Information requests out last year to discover which forces used the technology. It believes the programs involved can lead to biased policing strategies that unfairly focus on ethnic minorities and lower-income communities. And it said there had been a "severe lack of transparency" about the matter. Defenders of the technology say it can provide new insights into gun and knife crime, sex trafficking and other potentially life-threatening offences at a time when police budgets are under pressure.
A pool of water with three people in it has been created. Police are looking into it
Nullius in verba
So, police forces in the UK are using Chinese technology to further spy on their citizens.
Apparently having a Queen makes you stupid enough to stand for this shit.
Sorry, the old hag is on my money, but she and her clan can die in a fire or fuck the hell off.
They'll never have any actual freedom as long as people believe the bullshit that the royals are somehow special.
"Past performance is not a guarantee of future returns".
But, in the case of past criminal activity, areas that have a history of high crime are still likely to have high crime in the future.
But saying that, and acting on it, has now become racism, because a lot of high crime area also happen to be areas where minorities live. Increasing patrolling of those areas to help reduce crime have a high chance of finding minority offenders committing crime.
Should the police REDUCE their patrols in those high-crime areas, they'll be accused of racism for not protecting those minorities.
People who live in those areas should be asking themselves what the motives are of the groups trying to stop the police from doing their jobs.
Your next!
Guilty until proven innocent. Just what every totalitarian government needs to keep whomever they don't like locked up and silent.
It's all in how it is regulated and how it is used. Like any technology, whether this is a net-positive or a net-negative for the world isn't immediately obvious. I could easily see this being used to persecute minorities OR to genuinely help lessen crime.
Who is going to regulate how the police use this though- and what they can get away with?
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
To think people's lives could be affected by a pseudo science.
Here it comes. Precrime is tomorrow's society sculptor, and fear is the sculptor's greatest tool. Here's to all of the peons who will suffer under this wonderful new regime. Just forget to remember, the only right view is The Party's view. Who's The Party? If you're asking that question it isn't you. What's their views? That's not for you to know. Why should you forget? Because remembering is a crime, and they will catch you before you even commit the act. We've always been at war with Oceania.
We already have it here in the US; It's called Twitter, and it can pillory someone in minutes, destroy their reputation forever and burn them in effigy for weeks after they are found guilty of standing still and smiling in an unsanctioned manner.
We don't need AI to protect the public, we have Natural Stupidity.
"It believes the programs involved can lead to biased policing strategies that unfairly focus on ethnic minorities"
IMHO:
What makes them to believe that exactly?
Where/what is their proof/evidence for such thing can really happen?
Also, we all need to keep in mind that, higher crime can really happen in poor neighborhoods, where also ethnic minorities maybe majority!!!
Police need to focus on wherever crime is historically happened more, regardless of ethnic minority situation @ those places!!!
Or, is the police supposed to stay away from wherever ethnic minorities live???
Also, if any software really keep causing false alarms (causing police forces/teams sent to deal w/ innocent people), wouldn't that be noticed very soon?
Do we really think police departments anywhere, really would be okay w/ keep wasting time/effort?
(& Nobody higher up would notice that either?)
They don't need this.... sadly enough.
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This really reminds me of that movie, the one about crime in the future. I remember it was called "Judge Dredd" and had Stallone in it.
There are AI apps coming down the road that will float balloons over your head in augmented reality pooh poohing you for this or that...forever.
Oh no, you posted support for candidate x or issue x, nevermind anonymously.
The conversion of modern politics to religion in the 16th century is almost complete.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! And by the time it appears, it will be too late.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
It believes the programs involved can lead to biased policing strategies that unfairly focus on ethnic minorities and lower-income communities.
Policing should be focused on high-crime sections of the community, since that's where it's needed most. It would be absurd to send the police to wealthy low-crime suburbs and have them walking around doing nothing. If the police were to ignore the crime taking place in low-income communities, the ones who suffer most of the people who live in those communities. I know that because I live in one. Where my parents live there are 25 reported crimes within a 1 mile radius in a month, while where I live there are 650 reported crimes within a one mile radius. I want the police here, tackling crime, not scared of coming here because it wouldn't be politically correct to investigate crime in a low-income area because some arseholes in an ivory tower are worried about "human rights."
People like this libertyhumanrights.org.uk are a major part of the problem, and are the reason crime is spiralling out of control. We've got police scared to investigate Muslim rape gangs because they fear being called racists, so young girls are left to be abused. We've got police scared to stop and search black people out of fear of being called racists, so children in back communities are being stabbed on their way to and from school. We've got police scared of tackling crime in low-income areas because that's apparently against the human rights of criminals, so crime is left to go out of control. Meanwhile, what police are investigating is "non-crime hate incidents" where somebody posted a nasty comment on Twitter, because the out-of-touch leaders of the country think that's the priority.
Political correctness is absolutely destroying UK society and things are becoming visibly worse on the streets. The police have become largely irrelevant in many communities, and I don't even waste my time reporting crime to them since I know from past attempts to report serious crime that they will do absolutely nothing. The other day I saw some boys with an air rifle leaned against the wall of a school, shooting it into the school. I ignored it any carried on with my day because I'm well aware that the police are more interested in political correctness and "non-crime hate incidents" than tackling crime. The crime figures here are a fraction of the actual crime rate, but most crime simply goes unreported because the police have become so ineffective it's simply not worth bothering. Sure, if there was a "non-crime hate incident" that's worth reporting as they'll have a van full of officers there in minutes, but if an actual crime is taking place then you're wasting your time.
Policing in the UK urgently needs reforming, but sadly people of influence, like this ibertyhumanrights.org.uk, are more interested in rearranging the deck chairs while the ship sinks.
If you're rich the software doesn't detect crime.
In my white and asian neighborhood we predominantly have white collar crime. But most of the fatal shootings are by cops against Hispanic men.
you got a loicense for that spoon mate.
The addition of crime prediction software to a system that doesn't currently require evidence of a crime even having occurred to convict is terrifying. The UK system regularly imposes criminal penalties on those simply suspected of being the kind of person to commit a crime - no accusation of a crime needed. This isn't going to help any.
Just how bad is your Altzhiemer's disease? I can smell your old man ball stench and failure from here!
Pfft, it's the TRUMP inquisition, and unfortunately for him, the hangman is hanging. No more Muellin' around. Execute the traitor.
More police in neighborhoods with large numbers of lower educated, SINGLE parent households and lots of unsupervised teenagers.
Those are high crime neighborhoods regardless of ethnicity, national origin, etc.
if (lastName == "Trump") probablityOfCrime = 100;
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Mine just went to red alert.
Heil Hitlary!
But instead to serve it in a cowardly way from the rhetorical shadows like all faggot nazis, because he's a racist faggot troll. Nothing else. Look at the comment history people, stop feeding the racist faggot.
You're confusing the sellout of the working class by corporatists in southern red states, (which you support) and white privilege, the ignorance white racist morons have about historical systemic injustices, (which you embody)
The truth is you're no different from the african american slave, you're just lighter skinned and with a head start - but you end up in the same boneyard, because you sell yourself out to corporatists like the mislead whore you are.
It is so blatantly obvious you have no grip on reality. If Trump was found guilty tomorrow, and scheduled to "hang", Pence would pardon him.. End of story. Pardons cannot be overturned by the courts and they are not subject to Congressional approval or consent..
Get this through your tiny little snowflake brain: Trump will never do any jail time, he will never "hang". The very best you can hope for is for him to be removed from office. That's all. The constitution is quite clear that the only penalty for conviction under impeachment is removal from office and a prohibition on holding public office in the future.
Judgement in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.....
The rest of the text specifies that the party can still be tried in regular courts, but that's where the pardon comes in.
No US President has EVER been removed from office. There have been two impeachments and two acquittals.
So, kindly, SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU IDIOT.
Why is this downmodded? It has nothing to do with Trump. The Chinese dictatorship is piloting a similar system for the Venezuelan dictatorship.
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A police friend was accused of racism because he has a record of arresting 95% plus minorities. Laughable considering his beat is 99% minority populated.
Apparently he should be more equitable and go find lots more (non-existent in his best) non-minority offenders.
Every time some new technology comes out to automate police work people get all worked up. License place scanners, facial recognition, police drones, now this. Its almost as if people don't want the police to be effective at enforcing the law. We have the same problem now with illegal immigration. People do not want border patrol to enforce the immigration law because its somehow racist but yet they have no problem with the current law. Its almost as if people secretly all agree that the law is unjust but rather than change the law they fight to make the enforcement of it harder. Its as if everyone knows that it is impossible to not be a law breaker with so many laws. Like everyone knows that if every law was enforced with 100% efficiency and impartiality that society would grind to a stop. Instead it is selectively enforced and people somehow tell themselves that selectively enforced laws can somehow be unbiased.
Its about total control over an area by criminals to sell anything they want and make a profit.
Control over an area to commit crime in.
Criminals get to act the way they do due to a lack of police and poor quality laws.
How to fix UK crime problems.
Bring back the police from "internet" comments speech policing and put them back onto community policing down every street.
Stop and search in any area that has a crime problem to look for tools of crime and stolen items.
Give education the money and support needed to look after people into university, plumbing/electrical jobs, arts, sport, languages, music.
Support the people who will never study, cant study, won't study.
That gives a pathway out of crime to further education, study, work and stops the idea that crime was due to the lack of support.
What to do about crime in the streets?
Understand who is doing the crime with voice prints, smart phone tracking and the use of CCTV in new ways..
Map the crime in every area of the UK. The demographics, the type of crime. Who is doing crime, the support networks, the buying from the criminal, the sale, who is then buying a stolen smart phone.
What ISP they then connect with and "expect" to use a stolen smart phone.
Who is stealing, who is protecting an area, who is selling stolen goods, who is buying stolen goods.
Why local police wont act. Who is holding back police an any area. Laws? Politics? Change out all corrupt virtue signaling and political police structures.
Detect all police who are corrupt and who allowed crime to enter an area. Was it for money? Faith? Politics? Career advancement? A political quota system without looking into every officers past?
Find out why the police are corrupt. Any community connection by corrupt police with criminals over generations?
Test for criminals ability to access and if given police files, advanced notice of police methods and plans. Who in the police are helping criminals every day?
Are police talking to the press, media? Detect all such efforts and alter methods to make such police look like they where always part of a long term undercover police work. Criminals will then trust police who are corrupt less.
Make been corrupt part of a police investigation and a huge risk.
Police advancement should only be on merit. Get some mutual loyalty back into the police and away from direct political control over methods.
Criminals know the average UK police time needed to respond in any area. Change that average time up.
Expect every gov/mil/police officer to be tracked when entering a police station by criminals with their own facial recognition systems.
Stop expecting undercover and long term police work to be secure out of any police stations and gov/mil buildings.
Learn from police methods, SAS, GCHQ, MI5/6, Royal Ulster Constabulary Special Branch and what was done to and in Ireland and any nation that supported Ireland.
Make UK policing very secret, totally unexpected and very direct again.
More of the same old CCTV will not work. Criminals dont show their face when doing crime and know to change clothing, transport every time.
Tracking crime has to get past the ability to feel secure when doing crime.
A person on a moped using a helmet will not show on CCTV facial tracking.
The vehicle registration plates will be fake, removed from another scooter.
The stolen smart phone will be off, not carried for long.
Gait is the only factor that can be detected. Buy into advanced gait detection software as registration plates and face detection will not work.
Set 100's of undercover police out with tracking/malware smart phones as bait to be stolen. The GUI on the stolen smart phone will allow a power on/off but the tracking will be battery powered and always on.
The criminal will then have to use a faraday cage and never be sure if the device stolen and been sold is tracked. Full of police malware tracking?
Wh
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
How about we 'feed' the 'racist faggot' some rat poison? Works for me.
That was for Ireland and bank crime.
Getting caught with the tools for a crime on the way to do a crime.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Last night I watched the latest episode of Victoria on Masterpiece (PBS, if you didn't know). There was a cholera outbreak in London, and in their 19th century mindset, only 1 person out of several so-called 'experts' actually figured out what the real source of the outbreak was, while the other 'experts', including the ostensible Minister of Health, had wild, unsubstantiated 'theories' (using the word in the loosest sense possible here), which included things like "foreigners brought it with them, we should get rid of all the filthy foreigners". Of course the real cause was tracked down in a rational, logical manner by a stuttering doctor, who tracked it to a well that everyone in the outbreak area was using to get their water from.
..in a more direct comment about the featured article:
Take from that story what you will; there is a relevant meaning to it, you just have to look.
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Are we really going to unironicaly play the Minority Report card in actual law enforcement? Basically, take 'profiling' (comma, racial, I'm sure) to this extreme? Especially with the half-assed excuse for AI they keep applying to every damned thing? So much for the presumption of innocence, I guess. Reminds me of a bad joke a Latino comedian made once; he said "cops always follow around behind you when you're driving because they know sooner or later you'll do something wrong". You tell someone they're 'bad' often enough, they start believing it themselves. What's worse: shitty excuse for AI getting it wrong, and people minding their own business get watched constantly until someone 'decides' you did something wrong -- because cops never, ever plant evidence or otherwise 'manufacture' reasonable cause, and they never coerce people into false confessions.
We have hate crime and thought crime and now FUTURE CRIME!
WHEE!
Because stopping ACTUAL crimes (like grooming gangs, child rape, truck-of-peace, home invasions, etc) are all too much trouble!
We have have our personnel just sit safely behind a desk and "arrest" people all day long this way!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The problem is the crime predicting software may cause police to investigate people against whom there is no solid evidence. Investigation is not harmless -it can cause significant inconvenience and in some cases physical risk. It can also uncover minor crimes that are committed by many people, but usually not noticed. So harm can be caused to people without anything like due process.
Its very difficult to keep bias out of machine learning data sets. If past bias has caused an unusually high number of arrests for some minority group, information that is a proxy for membership in that group will cause more investigations, which will lead to a higher rate of detected crimes and a positive feedback. Its exactly the same sort of feedback that operates with humans, but without the higher reasoning functions that allow some humans to counteract this pattern matching.
Get back on your meds. Your paranoid schizophrenia is flaring up again, and seems to be compounded with a case of Tourette's.
You're 100% correct. White privilege only works in coastal blue states. I'm glad we can all agree on that.
I think the British know perfectly well what thoughtcrime is. Yes, it could be used to check which areas needs more locks. However, criminals adapt much faster than statistics. All other implementations are very unbellythinkful.
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
That was for Ireland and bank crime.
Getting caught with the tools for a crime on the way to do a crime.
That is what the software is needed for. To continually tell Americans that the Republic of Ireland (ROI) is a completely different nation to the United Kingdom of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Crown Dependencies and British Overseas Territories... None of which include the ROI.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.