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Nearly All US Teens Short On Sleep, Exercise (usnews.com)

UPI reports: Too little sleep. Not enough exercise. Far too much "screen time." That is the unhealthy lifestyle of nearly all U.S. high school students, new research finds. The study, of almost 60,000 teenagers nationwide, found that only 5 percent were meeting experts' recommendations on three critical health habits: sleep; exercise; and time spent gazing at digital media and television... "Five percent is a really low proportion," said study leader Gregory Knell, a research fellow at University of Texas School of Public Health, in Dallas. "We were a bit surprised by that...."

"If kids are viewing a screen at night -- staring at that blue light -- that may affect their ability to sleep," Knell said. "And if you're not getting enough sleep at night, you're going to be more tired during the day," he added, "and you're not going to be as physically active."

Experts recommend a minimum of 8 hours of sleep at night for teenagers, plus at least one hour every day of "moderate to vigorous" exercise.

One professor of adolescent medicine points out that some high school homework now even requires using a computer -- even though too much screen time can affect teenagers' abiity to sleep.

116 comments

  1. And that's only part of the story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And decent parents. We are doing what the Chinese are doing and leaving kids to be raised by either grandparents or left to raise themselves.

    Hell of a future we've been left.

    1. Re: And that's only part of the story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatâ(TM)s wrong with grandparents raising their grandkids?

    2. Re:And that's only part of the story. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      They're not raising themselves, they have the Great Firewall to raise them.

    3. Re:And that's only part of the story. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not even the parents' choice in many cases. There's a lot of pressure from society (God, I hate that stinking word). To live like the Joneses, you need two incomes in 2019, and American employers demand 50+ hour work weeks. I mean, you can get around this bullshit by having one income and living in a duplex, driving used cars, not buying electronics every year, but most people are too cowardly to not do what society and the advertisers tell them to.

    4. Re: And that's only part of the story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women work for reasons other than a need to keep up with the Joneses.

    5. Re:And that's only part of the story. by dryriver · · Score: 1

      Chines students fail on almost all tasks at Western Universities that require critical thinking, creativity or lateral thinking. The Great Firewall does a great job at firewalling them - from their own IQ potential. =)

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    6. Re: And that's only part of the story. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about women? Stay at home dads exist. So can households with two people working 30 hour weeks.

    7. Re: And that's only part of the story. by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      these teens are working to by passing 5g and working on 6g.

    8. Re:And that's only part of the story. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      To live like the Joneses, you need two incomes in 2019, and American employers demand 50+ hour work weeks. I mean, you can get around this bullshit by having one income and living in a duplex, driving used cars, not buying electronics every year,

      There's only one income in our house, and it's not a duplex. Granted, I have a decent income. But I refuse to by new cars, and my wife and I use older phones. I have a Samsung S5 and my wife is using my daughter's iPhone 5s. I hate upgrading phones because I don't like figuring where everything is and the new icons, etc. The S5 has a removable battery, SD slot and does everything I need. My wife was happier with her old Windows phone. I think my daughter conned her into taking her old phone so she could get a new one. I generally try to buy better quality items and keeping them until they wear out, or there's a good reason to update. I think the newest TV in the house is from 2009. But it was a previous year model when I bought it. It's a full array LED and was the top of the line Sony XBR for that year. I could get a bigger 4k TV, but I don't see the point if my current TV works.

    9. Re:And that's only part of the story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a racist deplorable would desire a modestly budgeted single income household based on a 40 hour working week.

    10. Re:And that's only part of the story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, no it's not about being cowardly or beholden to society. It's about wanting nicer stuff. A car that doesn't break down at inconvenient times (I just replaced my 20 year old car with a 10 year old used car). Literally nobody cares what phone I use, I just want something that's not super laggy.

      But yes, things would be less stressful if people didn't sell their free time for more money, which just inflates the cost of everything and funnels money to industries who can get away with sponging up people's free cash (housing in particular). The other solution would be a change in how property ownership works and breaking up companies that have enough market power to charge whatever they want.

      CAPTCHA: afraid

    11. Re: And that's only part of the story. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I asked myself, what grammatical correction could be made to that sentence so that it parses as English, and I came up at least 4 or 5 different potential things you could have meant, depending which of the many mistakes I correct, and in which direction.

  2. That's By Design by dryriver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do you really think that corporations that wreck your privacy at every turn, even invent an "internet of extremely insecure things" for this very purpose, care whether you get diabetes, or suffer a stroke or a heart attack before you reach 50? They also don't care what happens to your eyesight, or your brain for that matter (hint hint: 5G communications). Oh look - genius Elon Musk shot his Tesla car into space!

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    1. Re:That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why do you hate America?

    2. Re:That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because it's a capitalist shithole.

    3. Re:That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Full of inbred apologists marching into bondage as if that's neo-patriotic, following a clownlike traitor moron...

    4. Re:That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to try to work this into a sentence at work on Monday

    5. Re: That's By Design by Seewhatidonehere · · Score: 0

      Everyone hates Murica. To date, it is the only country EVER to use nuclear weapons against civilian targets, twice in a row, 3 months after the war ended in Europe... Never mind the clandestine federal programs FBI, CIA, Pentagon, spying on allies' phones of the highest level... Maintaining world peace by intimidation alone ( 7000 warheads ) yet portraying itself as a warden of peace, not liking anyone who speaks against the atrocities committed by the USA that reminds them how utterly full of shit they are.

    6. Re: That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Issa so sorry Massa.

    7. Re: That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot quite a lot of wars. There has never been peace since the first formal attempt.

    8. Re:That's By Design by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Of course they care what happens to your eyesight. If you can't see (or are dead), why would you buy anything with a screen once you've actually earned enough disposable income to buy the nice stuff?

    9. Re:That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it *is* a sentence and the *only* rule broken, grammatically, is that should be four, not three, periods at the end.

      That being said, AC could have used a semi-colon rather than a comma at some point in the construct, for clarity.

      Plus, an editor *may* consider lowercase *F* in the beginning....

    10. Re:That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feel free to leave it for a communist paradise such as N. Korea or Cuba. It's strage how people from communist "paradises" are willing to risk their very lives to get out of there, while our lefties can only sit and whine.

    11. Re:That's By Design by Livius · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that corporations that wreck your privacy at every turn, even invent an "internet of extremely insecure things" for this very purpose, care whether you get diabetes

      Of course they do - that whole class of prescription medications is highly profitable.

    12. Re: That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious troll is obvious

    13. Re:That's By Design by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'll stay in my European socialist paradise. I might not make as much money, but at least I can see myself living here in another 50 years.

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    14. Re: That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the US keeps protecting your way of life by playing baby sitter. Otherwise you cowardly children will be eating each other all over again. Europe is, sadly enough, a nightmare for a free thinking individual. Enjoy your "socialist paradise" you fucking sheep.

    15. Re:That's By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He means he's going to bring it up in casual conversation, it wasn't a criticism on grammar.

  3. This just in by Kohath · · Score: 2

    Schools don’t care. Schools care about payroll.

    1. Re:This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say parents don't care. Schools don't get any money and can't do shit about students causing disturbance.

    2. Re:This just in by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you're from West Derpistan, where the voters refuse to fund their own damn schools because "taxes hurt my freedum bone," then it might be true.

      Where I live, politicians and voters worry about the school budget, and schools worry about education.

    3. Re:This just in by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I'd say parents don't care. Schools don't get any money

      This just means you live in a "red state."

    4. Re:This just in by hey! · · Score: 2

      My experience with my kids is that schools, teachers, administrators really do care about kids, but (a) there's a lot of kids to care about, (b) there's a lot of pressure to prepare kids for high stakes testing, and (c) they're swamped with kids whose families have big time drama like domestic violence and drug abuse.

      I once had to call in a lawyer who specialized in educational law to issue some threats to the local school administrators. They weren't ill-intentioned people, they just let a certain situation get away from, panicked, and tried to take some dubious short cuts.

      You can't expect administrators and teachers to be saints; they're ordinary people who really do care about kids, but they screw up sometimes and like most people try to rationalize it or sweep it under the rug.

      This, by the way, is the proper way to use a lawyer. You use a lawyer to stay out of the courts.

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    5. Re:This just in by DCFusor · · Score: 1

      Public schools indoctrinate, only educate as required for job 1 - create the "right" sort of servants.
      You can argue the morality and who decides among yourselves. The fact here is quite obvious and has been widely public for almost as long as there's been public education. "Give me control of the schools and I'll give you any kind of citizen you desire".
      Education is a widely misused word these days. As well as a lot of others. That's no accident.

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    6. Re:This just in by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You can't expect administrators and teachers to be saints; they're ordinary people

      According to the summary, even a professor of adolescent medicine might confuse an activity that is often done at night in preference to sleep with an activity that might instead affect a person's ability to sleep.

      It's regular people, all the way down. Or up.

    7. Re:This just in by Kohath · · Score: 1

      My experience from attending school is that they don't. Maybe I mistook them being completely useless and interested only in money for not them caring because those things are functionally exactly the same.

    8. Re:This just in by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Schools care enough about their payroll to do everything they can to trap kids who want to learn in a system that prevents them from learning.

    9. Re:This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      confuse an activity that is often done at night in preference to sleep with an activity that might instead affect a person's ability to sleep.

      It's regular people, all the way down.

      Bright lighting before you fall asleep reduces the quality of that sleep. Even a minimal amount of lighting makes a measurable change. There is plenty of research backing this up and scientists traced the chemical changes and nerve pathways in the brain which cause it.

      The worst is people who think they know something when they really don't. Though we can blame poor communication, short summaries, the laziness to read detailed articles, and internet created social bubbles for a lot of that. How many people walk around with an inquisitive attitude compared to a self righteous one?

    10. Re: This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Schools are buildings, they do not possess agency, but are, in fact, inanimate objects without desire, reason, or emotion.

      You have clearly been watching too much Lifetime.

    11. Re:This just in by tquasar · · Score: 1

      School. I learned how to give the correct answer. True- False and multiple choice questions are easy. The true-false gives you the answer , one is correct and I usually did better than 50-50 selecting the right one. On multiple choice there were four options and two were usually obviously wrong, one had a word or phrase that steered me to the right answer. Essay questions make you think and compose a reply. Harder to fake. Math is one area that's hard to fake your knowledge. I did OK in Algebra and Geometry with a minimum of study. Trig was too much for me, couldn't understand it.

    12. Re:This just in by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I make sure my kids get to bed on time. I don't care about screen time or exercise.

      Either medical science will come up with a cure for it, or we will suffer whatever actual consequences arise, if any, but ruining my life just to be healthy is not a trade-off I will make, and I will not force it on my children.

    13. Re:This just in by DogDude · · Score: 1

      What in the hell are you talking about?

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    14. Re:This just in by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Recent example: FEA endorsed the candidate who vowed to take away opportunities for students to learn without FEA on the payroll.

      It turned out to be a very close election. Votes from parents who wanted to choose their kid's school instead of being trapped in the government system may have been enough for the winning margin.

      That's just a recent example.

    15. Re:This just in by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Oh, you're talking about school vouchers. Yeah, I think they suck and they lead to uneven and unfair outcomes for poor and minority students. All students should have to go to public schools. Only then do students all get equivalent quality educations.

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    16. Re:This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say parents don't care. Schools don't get any money

      This just means you live in a "red state."

      Urban schools are the least well-funded. Often due to racism, redlining, white flight, high poverty, and high crime. Urban schools which are in, you guessed it, blue states.

    17. Re:This just in by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Oh, you're talking about school vouchers. Yeah, I think they suck and they lead to uneven and unfair outcomes for poor and minority students. All students should have to go to public schools. Only then do students all get equivalent quality educations.

      Children in poor neighborhoods get a bad education on average. Everyone knows. You're not fooling anyone.

      The real question is why you want to keep them down. Either because you don't think they deserve a chance, or you don't care, or you have some personal or ideological stake in the system that condemns their lives.

    18. Re:This just in by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Studies show that when poor kids have to go to school with rich kids, then educational funding evens out, and everybody gets a comparable education.

      Studies show that when funds are diverted to charter schools, the public schools get less funding. And invariably, it's the poor kids who remain in public schools, because their families can't pay for the difference between the tuition for charter schools and the vouchers being given out.

      "School choice" = public funds helping to subsidize private educations for wealthy kids = taking money away from public schools

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    19. Re:This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And invariably, it's the poor kids who remain in public schools, because their families can't pay for the difference between the tuition for charter schools and the vouchers being given out.

      Where I live, charter schools don't have tuition. Instead, they have sharper teeth and can kick out the troublesome kids and focus their attention on the kids that are there to learn, or whose parents expect them to learn and back it up with discipline.

      Now, if you meant to type "private schools" instead of "charter schools" I think I know what you mean.

      However, vouchers have their place... someday they'll pass... because voters are getting tired of the arguments between teachers unions and administration. It'll be a boon to education, because no matter how you slice it... what gets kids to learn is /attention/. Smaller class sizes coupled with parental involvement brings it. The best private schools in my area would happily scholarship bright students whose parents bring their vouchers. And it'll work.

    20. Re: This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie "Pump up the volume" covers that situation.

    21. Re: This just in by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Informative

      All students should have to go to public schools. Only then do students all get equivalent quality educations.

      This is communism in a nutshell. Bring everyone down to the lowest level! Always willing to sacrifice progress at the altar of equality.

    22. Re:This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, i don't live in the states.

    23. Re:This just in by geek · · Score: 1

      Where you live politicians spend on schools and spend more on schools then spend even more on schools and they just keep getting worse. Where I'm from we ask Mary and Johnny to pay their own kids schooling and use the money however they fuck they want without leeching off of the rest of society like fucking parasites.

      You want kids? Great, have as many as you like. Not my fucking job raising them for you. Educate your own kids and fuck off.

    24. Re: This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie "Pump up the volume" covers that situation.

      Which one?... the sharper teeth that allows administration to do something about troublesome students? Where I live (Los Angeles) the regular schools are becoming - or have become - more akin to daycare than educational facilities. Charter schools have helped that tremendously - parents sit outside for days for the chance to get their out-of-area children enrolled. It's not the way it's supposed to be, but when the administration is unable to do anything about the troubled kids, it drags everyone down.

      Growing up, my parents were high school teachers who got started when they needed to talk about the kid glowingly before discussing the disciplinary situation, else the kid would come to school the next day with a limp. Fast forward, there was no convincing parents that their child was doing anything wrong, and if they were doing something wrong then they were helpless since they worked multiple jobs to keep ends met.

      An (expensive) solution is vouchers. Let parents choose where their child goes to school, and make it competitive. To keep from leaving any students behind, smaller class sizes. Pay teachers on merit, not merely tenure. Ensure each child gets as much attention as practical.

    25. Re: This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ.. what a waste of space.

    26. Re: This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here here

    27. Re: This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, Iâ(TM)m a teacher and I do it all for the payroll. Used to be a computer programmer, but public education is where the real money is at.

    28. Re: This just in by DogDude · · Score: 1

      No, I'm interesting in raising everybody UP to the lowest level. In the US, the rich don't give two shits about the poor, and that's wrong. The US has become a culture of, "I've got mine. Fuck you". Education should not come down to money. That's immoral, and it's stupid from a society aspect.

      People like you lie and call any attempt at giving poor people a decent standard of living "Communism". Fuck you.

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    29. Re: This just in by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Always willing to sacrifice progress at the altar of equality.

      They aren't sacrificing "progress", they are sacrificing children.

    30. Re:This just in by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Liar liar, pants on fire!

      We vote on all new taxes here.

      Schools fund infrastructure investment based on local voters approving bond measures that are repaid from local property taxes.

      You red state morons only hate the Ebil Gubermint because you suck at civics and don't learn how to vote on specific issues that you claim you care about; if you did care, then you'd already be in control of those issues locally. Like we are in blue states.

      Politicians don't spend shit. Professional administrators come to the People with a funding request, and the People then Vote on it. Politicians pass laws to set the standards for how those professionals do their jobs. There is no external force to blame, there is no scapegoat. Voters spend tax money, not politicians.

    31. Re:This just in by Kohath · · Score: 1

      "School choice" = public funds helping to subsidize private educations for wealthy kids = taking money away from public schools

      School choice is for kids learning. Money for public schools is for payroll and pensions and administration and unions — maybe a kid learns something in the process, maybe not — dividing up and pocketing the money is what truly matters to them.

    32. Re: This just in by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      No, I'm interesting in raising everybody UP to the lowest level.

      I ... uhh ... what?

      Where exactly are you going to raise them from? The lower-than-lowest level?

      In the US, the rich don't give two shits about the poor, and that's wrong. The US has become a culture of, "I've got mine. Fuck you".

      That's not even remotely true but, even if it were, I see no reason why we should let fuckwads like you make people even poorer. Commies are great at talking a big game about how they'll take care of the poor, but as soon as you take over, fucking EVERYONE becomes poor.

      That's the trick isn't it? You love the poor so much that you want to make more of them!

      Education should not come down to money. That's immoral, and it's stupid from a society aspect.

      It's wrong and immoral to stop people from using their money to improve the education of their children, yet you seem to have no problem arguing for that. I love how you're trying to make yourself appear virtuous and morally superior while at the same time arguing for one of the most evil concepts I've ever heard. That's some Goebbels level shit right there.

      People like you lie and call any attempt at giving poor people a decent standard of living "Communism". Fuck you.

      I'm quite happy to give poor people a decent standard of living; I'm not going to let commie assholes like you make things worse for everyone.

    33. Re: This just in by DogDude · · Score: 1

      1. The whole "Commie" thing makes you sound stupider than your ideas already are.

      2. I never said people couldn't pay for schools. If people want to, they should. They should do it without public money, though.

      3. Wait... and you use "Goebbels", too? Are you calling me a "Commie" or a "Nazi"? Do you even know the difference, or are you just some Trump-loving uneducated hick who doesn't know what words mean?

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    34. Re: This just in by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      You said - and I quote - "All students should have to go to public schools". Now you're contradicting that statement. Either you're too stupid to say what you mean in the first place, or you're too dishonest to admit to your real position after being called out on it. Either way you certainly have nothing of value to say.

    35. Re: This just in by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Hm. That doesn't seem like communism to me. There are echoes of communistic ideas there, but no. This ensures equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

      I am not saying I am "for" this idea. I am merely discussing whether or not it has communistic qualities.

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  4. Shanghai Bill is a teenager? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to his understanding of logic that's what the summary implies.

    1. Re: Shanghai Bill is a teenager? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimette can give me both at the same time. I will wake up with sculpted abs

  5. Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "You don't need education, just a cavernous asshole to reach into to pull out Libertarian retard talking points. All educations are the same waste of time, look at me!" - Kohath

  6. Do these guys have a book to sell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe a series of seminars too?

  7. Re:Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm also going to try to work this into a sentence at work on Monday too

  8. Re:Oh no! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Golly, if these machines are capable of thinking, why not just instruct the machines to turn off at night?

    Lets see your chalk slate manage that.

  9. Extra-cirricular by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I lived in a city where I lived 20 minutes away from work and it was pretty difficult to get home have supper and get the kids to all their extra-curricular activities. Don't know how parents with a commute time with an hour or more are supposed to do it.

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    1. Re:Extra-cirricular by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Live below their means. One income or one income and a part-time job. Get on ACA, take the subsidies, don't be too bourgeois to take advantage of Medicaid if needed any your state offers it. It's a public option, and most other civilized countries offer public insurance with no shame. Buy a duplex, not a McHouse, have the tenants pay most of your mortgage. Drive a used car that's paid off. But no ... most "middle class" people are too cowardly and brainwarshed to be seen as "poors."

    2. Re:Extra-cirricular by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Errr....good idea, but are you aware that the cost of living has been rising for decades, but not wages?

      Cowardly? Brainwashed? Don't want to be seen as 'poors'?

      Maybe you should re-target your 'solutions' to the ones responsible - corporations and their supporters. The disintegration of unions etc. Maybe just not the people who are forced into living with less money.

    3. Re:Extra-cirricular by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      The point is, you can still say "fuck it" and essentially drop out of doing what society expects you to do.

    4. Re:Extra-cirricular by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well,
      in other countries the kids use public transport ...

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    5. Re:Extra-cirricular by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't have worked where I was. Would have taken them 1-1/2 hours each way to make it to an hour practice. It wouldn't have made sense.

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    6. Re:Extra-cirricular by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well,
      public transport works in different countries different.

      In the Paris area 1 hour metro probably gets me 100km far ... or close to it.

      At my fathers place it took me several buses and about 2h for 45km ... because the buses detoured a lot to pick up more people from remote small villages.

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    7. Re:Extra-cirricular by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, there are very few places in the world that fine adequate money for public transit. The problem in my city (and I suspect in a lot of cities) is that it has a hub and spoke design and the pool was three spokes over.

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    8. Re:Extra-cirricular by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      In Paris it is actually super cheap. 1.30 Euro for a ride.
      In my town it is twice as much.

      Bangkok is super cheap, too. But it depends what you use, it is about 50cents on a boat, and same for bus, but 80 or 90 for sky train ... the Bangkok version of the Paris metro or London subway.

      Ah, I understand the design problem ... pretty stupid.

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  10. Most don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either their parents do it, a sibling or extended relative does it, or they get another parent they know or trust to do it for them. This has been true for 30-50 years, since I was a kid, and I heard stories predating it.

    1. Re:Most don't. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      So basically you have other people take care of your own kids.

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  11. Re:Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    "You don't need education, just a cavernous asshole to reach into to pull out Libertarian retard talking points. All educations are the same waste of time, look at me!" - Kohath

    That got +2. Slashdot is so toxic, that is considered a good comment.

    Of all the comments on this story, that was the only one receiving moderation at the time of me writing this. Two people think that is deserving of attention, but nothing else did.

    Slashdot continues it's downard slide, slimily passing all but the worst of reddit with narry a second look on the way down.

  12. Re:Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez by dryriver · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Reddit censors everything. Anything right-of-left gets downvoted to zero there. Slashdot does not.

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  13. deflect much? by slashdice · · Score: 1

    what about slashdot readers? Sleep? Exercise? LOL.

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  14. That won't help in future jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're being pushed to commit 24/7 on every job or else we're labeled as lazy retards that do not deserve anything at all.

    1. Re:That won't help in future jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will get what I determine you have paid me for and no more.
      If you don't like that, then you can fuck off.
      I do not give a rats ass what you think because you are a moron.

      You are free to give your job to a slave. I don't give a shit. But if you come back to me in a year begging on the street corner after you drove your business to bankruptcy, you will get nothing but spittle from me.

    2. Re:That won't help in future jobs by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Life. You're doing it wrong.

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  15. Re:Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot is so toxic

    It's a reflection of the rest of society. Cultural leaders celebrate and reward hate because they're terrible people. Followers respond because they are followers. It's not headed for a peaceful ending. They still have time to change course and give up on being haters. They know it's making their lives worse for no benefit to anyone.

  16. Re:Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot has started deleting spam comments and their replies lately. Funny a "news for nerds" site can't figure out some filtering.

  17. No good for the US mil by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Who is going to have the skills, intelligence and needed fitness to make it into special forces in the numbers needed every generation?
    So much to carry, have to be smart.
    The water, communications, mil equipment, battery, food. Adds up to weight over long distances at elevation.
    Its not much use to try and make someone that fit and smart over a year in the mil.
    Decades of trying to teach IQ and fitness did not work.
    Thats needs years of fitness and endurance to be ready for the advanced mil projects.

    The US needs to make mil service fun again.
    Sport and education need to be ready for years before entering the US mil.
    Make competitive sport great again. With the winning and teams.

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  18. Back in the 1980â(TM)s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the 1980â(TM)s we didnâ(TM)t have the Internet, so we watched VHS tape movies and then drank beer & got high together. Much better!

    1. Re:Back in the 1980â(TM)s by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Now that you mention it, the drugs were indeed better.

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  19. God SHUT UP YOU FUCKING IDIOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Who is going to have the skills, intelligence and needed fitness to make it" - NOT YOU HUXLEY MORON

    1. Re:God SHUT UP YOU FUCKING IDIOT by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      How did Project 100,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... work out AC?
      Really want that level of smarts and fitness for elite units?
      Moving the needed pass or fail on fitness to an exercise that's not counted?

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  20. Oh boy, where to start by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You work where the jobs are. We've had 20 years of non stop outsourcing and layoff heavy mergers. Just because you happened to blunder into a steady job doesn't mean the rest have.

    And then there's inflation. Raises stopped keeping pace with inflation in the 70s and stopped entirely in the mid 2000s. So even if you do have a stead job you're gonna have to leave it every 3-5 years to look for better paying work. Companies don't promote or train because they can just get an H1-B if they can't find somebody with the skills they want.

    The GOP put poison pills in the ACA. You can't get on it if your employer offers healthcare, no matter how shitty the plan. Many states didn't expand Medicaid and go out of their way to keep folks off it. Unless your completely destitute you're not getting it. Nobody has pride when they're in need of a doctor. There's no nice way to say this, You're being an ass. I've had friends and family with severe illness and I speak from bitter experience. And this is _before_ Trump gutted the ACA as best he could the bastard.

    Used cars break, constantly. If you've got the kind of job that doesn't pay you enough to buy a decent car it's probably the kind of job that will fire you for being late. Again, I speak from bitter experience.

    Congrats, you and your family have avoided most of the bad stuff in the world and nobody around you that you care enough about has gotten gut punched by the American system such that you got dragged down with them. This is the problem with people. They don't understand a thing if it doesn't happen to them personally or maybe their immediate family. It's like all those country western singers that got shot up by that nut job in Las Vegas. They were all crazy pro gun until they experienced first hand what it's like to be shot at by a mad man and how utterly powerless you really are even when you're packing heat.

    I wish we had that Grok thing from Stranger in a Strange land. That ability to make people _understand_. I doubt you made it this far into my comment but if you did I've probably just pissed you off and made you double down in your misconceptions. If I knew how to get through to guys like you I'd be president and I'd fix this shit fast.

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    1. Re:Oh boy, where to start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I made it to the end of your post and I think you have an overinflated sense of your own abilities.

    2. Re:Oh boy, where to start by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Used cars only break if you buy the wrong car. Simple mid-90s to 2010 Japanese econoboxes tend to be more reliable than the bloated, overweight, techboxes of today, loaded with electronic shitware that can't be fixed by anyone without special tools and software. Old Camry or Accord is better than almost anything sold today.

      As far as Medicaid/insurance, don't move to a state run by conservative twatwaffles. The literal goal should be to live in a duplex, have someone else paying your mortgage, send your kids to public schools, and generally be able to exist on nearly minimum wage if need be.

    3. Re:Oh boy, where to start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This phenomenon has been studied and is called the Just-world hypothesis. Basically, people believe that if they are living a honest live and work hard, eventually they will be rewarded. Unfortunately, bad things can and WILL happen to you regardless of your lifestyle. It's perfectly possible to be a honest and hard working person for all of your life and still end up poor and miserable, probably dying in ditch somewhere, with nobody giving a fuck.

      This is also the reason people are opposed to paying into social security systems, because they believe they would never need any assistance in their lives. The awakening can be a bitter experience.

    4. Re:Oh boy, where to start by geek · · Score: 1

      The GOP put poison pills in the ACA.

      Stopped reading there. The GOP did not contribute or vote for the ACA in any way shape or form. You fuck wits on the left own that pile of shit 100% in every way shape or form. Not one GOP official contributed or was even included in the drafting. That is all you. Own that shit and fuck off.

    5. Re: Oh boy, where to start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, a Japanese car 2003 onwards with below 300,000km is generally reliable for day to day driving. Why?
      Once it hits 500,000km, lots more things to change. Beyond 15 years old you need to know more than normal to be sure of your auto selection.

      For korean, id personally recommend 2011 model onwards.

  21. Would be nice to link the study. by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

    A pertinent topic. Would be nice to have an actual scientific article with methodology and the other trappings of science attached.

  22. Re:Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine being so disconnected from reality that you think Reddit skews left.

  23. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    8 hours of sleep is too much, not realistic and not even healthy.

    An hour of exercise give me a break maybe half that. No serious person recommends 8hrs of sleep and an hour of exercise as minimums. TFA is exclusively the province of trolls who want to whore attention / click bait.

    1. Re:Bullshit by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's realistic and it's healthy. Adults need 7-9 hours of sleep, teens even more and kids even more than that. It's also noteworthy that humans are not fungible and tend to have different needs. Personally, I have no problem working after midnight but considerable problems working before noon. A coworker of mine is the polar opposite of that. We complement each other pretty well.

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  24. You're completely useless, agreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're completely useless, agreed.

  25. If Only There Were Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soon enough, what people think is "good for teenagers" will result in them spending all of their time doing mandated body-maintenance activity, overloaded and pointless homework, and generally working their ass off for little point other than they're "supposed to." Not a good way to actually enjoy life.

    Sounds like a great way to produce neurotic factory workers. I suspect that "screen time" isn't the only issue here.

  26. Where did that data come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What studies are these experts basing their comparations on?
    What evidence is there that there is even a thing such as too much even time? Could that be an assumption or is there really hard evidence?
    As to exercise, the whole experts recommend thing is not convincing, where is the data. I'm getting tired of hearing new trends in what is healthy every six months. If it is healthy it should not change. It's not like the human body morphs constantly. Where is the actual science?
    Basing studies on bad data only results in bad studies.

  27. Re:Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Well, that seems obvious, but the SJW mob doesn't seem like it's going to change anytime soon. Whole categories of inquiry about race, gender, sexuality, religion, ability, and identity can only go so far before the enquirer exercises prudent self-censorship or is shut down as racist, sexist, or x-phobic.

    These lines of inquiry are judged so out of bounds that they donâ(TM)t require a response based on evidence or argument. Rather it is sufficient to identify them as falling into a particular category (sexist/homophobic/Islamophobic/racist or socialist/collectivist/globalist/secularist depending on context and oneâ(TM)s politics) to discredit them. Once the appropriate category is identified, one is freed from the need to counter the argument or debate the point. It might be called refutation by categorization.

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  28. "Why We Sleep" by Matthew P. Walker by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    https://www.goodreads.com/book...
    "The first sleep book by a leading scientific expertâ"Professor Matthew Walker, Director of UC Berkeleyâ(TM)s Sleep and Neuroimaging Lab -- reveals his groundbreaking exploration of sleep, explaining how we can harness its transformative power to change our lives for the better.
        Sleep is one of the most important but least understood aspects of our life, wellness, and longevity. Until very recently, science had no answer to the question of why we sleep, or what good it served, or why we suffer such devastating health consequences when we don't sleep. Compared to the other basic drives in life -- eating, drinking, and reproducing -- the purpose of sleep remained elusive.
        An explosion of scientific discoveries in the last twenty years has shed new light on this fundamental aspect of our lives. Now, preeminent neuroscientist and sleep expert Matthew Walker gives us a new understanding of the vital importance of sleep and dreaming. Within the brain, sleep enriches our ability to learn, memorize, and make logical decisions. It recalibrates our emotions, restocks our immune system, fine-tunes our metabolism, and regulates our appetite. Dreaming mollifies painful memories and creates a virtual reality space in which the brain melds past and present knowledge to inspire creativity.
        Walker answers important questions about sleep: how do caffeine and alcohol affect sleep? What really happens during REM sleep? Why do our sleep patterns change across a lifetime? How do common sleep aids affect us and can they do long-term damage? Charting cutting-edge scientific breakthroughs, and synthesizing decades of research and clinical practice, Walker explains how we can harness sleep to improve learning, mood, and energy levels; regulate hormones; prevent cancer, Alzheimer's, and diabetes; slow the effects of aging; increase longevity; enhance the education and lifespan of our children, and boost the efficiency, success, and productivity of our businesses. Clear-eyed, fascinating, and accessible, Why We Sleep is a crucial and illuminating book."

    See also: "Lecture entitled "Why We Sleep" by Professor Matthew Walker of the University of California, Berkeley."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  29. 70's kids were safer and healthier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No seatbelts in the back of the station wagon, sipping Dad's beer, candy between meals, watched TV until the broadcast ended, sugary pop every single day.

    Yet we weren't a fat slugs constantly depressed.

  30. I've got a mid 90s Japanese car by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and it breaks all the God damn time. I average about $116/mo keeping it running. It's still a cash savings and I happen to have a job that lets me get away with it (got a kid in college so I can't afford to replace it).

    If you're buying something as new as 2010 that doesn't have crazy miles on it expect to pay $8-$10k unless a relative gives it to you cheap. No, I'm not exaggerating, that's from a quick check of my local area. The used car market has gone nuts. Doesn't help that an entry level 4 door sedan is $16k after taxes and fees.

    You don't get to pick where you born. And moving is _expensive_. And where the fuck do you get somebody to pay your mortgage? Listen to yourself man, You sound like Mitt "Why don't the poor just buy more money" Rhomney.

    You're either trolling (likely, you insulted me) or trying to do something about the guilt you feel for abandoning people to their fate. Either way what goes around comes around. In 20 years after a few layoffs you'll come around to my way of thinking... when it's too late and you're stuck working 3 jobs to get by, maybe dying of a heart attack in the process. You know, you could stop all that right now.

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    1. Re:I've got a mid 90s Japanese car by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the car isn't maintained properly/well or you got a lemon. Things like mid-2000s Civic sedans can be had for under $4000 here in good shape, especially if you can drive a real transmission (manual)...

      You get a TENANT (aka ATM on the hoof) to pay your mortgage. Duplexes in less posh areas often cost the same (or less) than houses in nicer areas. Live in the 2nd floor apartment, rent out the first floor.

      If I end up in the situation you speak of, I'd probably just sell everything I own and move to a developing country or Southern/Eastern Europe and live dirt cheaply till I croak of old age...

  31. It was their plan, by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    it came from the Heritage Foundation, one of their think tanks. It wasn't at all what Obama or the Democrats wanted, it's what they could get past the right wing Congress. Go look up "Blue Dog Democrats". Nancy Pelosi's men are busy telling insurance companies that she's got their back when it comes to their profits.

    It's almost as if corporatism is the problem, and not the party. Show up to your bloody primary election and vote the bastards out and we can easily fix this. As it stands the ACA was the best we can do with guys like you putting right wingers into power.

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  32. Re:Kohath the deplorable anti-education retard sez by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I used to hate it when rightists used the same methods. The surest sign of the bully is that they will categorize at a glance: don't fit the glance, and the "not one of us" gene kicks in, and the derogatory nicknames come flowing out. It seemed the leftists have learned how effective that technique is. And that disappoints me to no end.

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