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Cringely's Final Predictions: Apple Becomes a Financial Service and Hedge Fund (cringely.com)

For 22 years technology writer Robert X. Cringely has been making predictions for the year to come -- but this year may be his last. So at age 66, he's promising his 2019 predictions will also "take a look out several years...because I sense the tech industry about to enter an unprecedented correction."

And last week he unveiled his first prediction -- that Apple under Tim Cook "emulates GE under Jack Welch.... Jack Welch took GE into financial services in 1981, transforming the company and increasing its market cap by 4000 percent over his 20 years. "

Tim Cook has already started in 2019 along the same path forged by GE's Jack Welch back in 1981. This strategic shift started to show just this week with Apple directly financing iPhone sales in China and announcing an Apple credit card with Goldman Sachs... Look for Apple to start financing lots of things in 2019. Remember your car dealer would rather lend you money than have you pay cash for that ride because financing is its own profit center. So iPhone prices will continue to rise, but iPhone payments will probably decline as Apple cuts out middle men and efficiently sucks-up that aspect of the phone supply chain. This is how Apple will arrest iPhone market share declines -- by assisting sales and making even more money in the process.

I expect Apple to not just make strategic investments, but participate in strategic financing as well.... What Apple is probably closest to becoming is a hedge fund -- a very big hedge fund in fact. Apple's available financial power is approximately equal to that of the world's two largest hedge funds -- Bridgewater Associates and AQM Capital Management -- combined. So when someone tells you Apple is in decline or doesn't have a clue, they are wrong. Apple will continue to compete in its established technology markets as well as new ones. But Apple has also found a $200 billion hobby that will keep it growing for the next decade no matter where the Information Technology market goes.

Cringely notes that services "are more profitable than hardware." But Cringley has always been gracious about entertaining other opinions. In 2000 he answered questions from Slashdot readers, and last week he reminded his readers again that as technology completes its next great transitions, "I'd really like to hear your thoughts, too."

As dramatic changes (including AI) kick off what may be a new 50-year-cycle, "Everything is changing and nothing -- nothing -- will ever be the same again. I hope that's a good thing."

152 comments

  1. Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, I guess since Tim Crook is terrible at technology this is a good course for Apple. I just hope for the sake of everyone they stop making their awful products. It's been long enough under Tim Crock that Apple is unlikely to ever innovate again.

    1. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have a really fat 50 year old business book (over 3100 pages) and the end part of it basically suggests that once any business has enough financial leverage / savings that it's best to just get into financing/lending/banking, period.

    2. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have a really fat 50 year old business book (over 3100 pages) and the end part of it basically suggests that once any business has enough financial leverage / savings that it's best to just get into financing/lending/banking, period.

      So, once you amass enough money that paying someone else to shove it in their mattress becomes irresponsible from a financial standpoint, you get into the mattress business.

      Seems logical enough to not validate this as some kind of magical "prediction", and more like common sense and business investing 101.

      This has far less to do with a company dying on the innovation vine as it does leaving money on the table by not participating in the financial sector, especially when you have the funds to back it. Doesn't matter if you're making a popular smartphone or rubber dogshit. Get a business big enough, and you will up in banking, because it's a solid revenue stream.

    3. Re: Financial services? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Doesn't matter if you're making a popular smartphone or rubber dogshit.

      The best part about discussions like this is that it's near conceded that Apple is now 'a smartphone maker.' The Mac is just about dead.

    4. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter if you're making a popular smartphone or rubber dogshit.

      The best part about discussions like this is that it's near conceded that Apple is now 'a smartphone maker.' The Mac is just about dead.

      If iPhone sales died tomorrow, so would the company.

      From the financial standpoint, the Mac is dead.

    5. Re: Financial services? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I suspect that the interesting thing to watch is whether Apple gets into obvious ancillary financial services(as they are already doing to an extent, something like "AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss" is basically an insurance product backed by Apple's competitive advantage in performing repairs where those are more cost effective, something competing insurers are less able to do); consumer credit for purchases of their products being the big one(and proven by the car manufacturers to be quite a profitable sideline); whether they get into those and some financial services that wouldn't be possible without integration with their products(also a largely foregone conclusion at this point, offering billing services through ITMS and Apple pay are both exactly that; and probably have some further logical expansions); and whether they sprout a division that has nothing whatsoever to do with their traditional core products and services except to put their giant pile of cash to work.

      Given what Apple has already done; 'predicting' the first and second of these is really just knowing your recent history and making a couple of highly plausible extrapolations at this point. The third option also isn't wildly unlikely; but it will be interesting to see to what degree it occurs(Apple obviously isn't storing its spare cash under a mattress somewhere at HQ; so it's obviously doing some amount of investing; but there's "I have money and want to put it into a diversified range of investments" and there's "I'm starting a hedge fund"); and whether Apple's financial activities remain fairly closely tied to their products(selling the credit you use to buy them and the payment processing built into them; while investing the profits) or whether the financial side takes on a life of its own that gradually eclipses the other activity.

    6. Re: Financial services? by ramlaljhon · · Score: 1

      Google seems to be better understanding of their ecosystem.

    7. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it does. You need gullible enough consumers with deep enough pockets to voluntarily take on debt to buy a polished turd. So, this business decision by Apple is brilliant. If there is one fact about American consumers, they have no compunction going into debt for bullshit.

    8. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter if you're making a popular smartphone or rubber dogshit.

      The best part about discussions like this is that it's near conceded that Apple is now 'a smartphone maker.' The Mac is just about dead.

      Just like HP used to make kick-butt calculators.

    9. Re: Financial services? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      I figured that Apple would eventually go the IBM route, and start buying other companies in order to keep their product line fresh. Perhaps they'll

      Like Big Blue, it seems that they forgot how to innovate, and have just been coasting with incremental improvements to their products for the past five years.

    10. Re: Financial services? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Grr... I meant to say that perhaps they'll buy a company like Nvidia to expand into the gaming market, or a company like Twitter if they want to go the Social route.

      They might even surprise us an try making a business play by buying a company like Salesforce, but that's less likely.

    11. Re:Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I guess since Tim Crook is terrible at technology this is a good course for Apple. I just hope for the sake of everyone they stop making their awful products. It's been long enough under Tim Crock that Apple is unlikely to ever innovate again.

      "Tim Crook"? "Tim Crock"?

      How erudite that argument is...

    12. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Mac is just about dead.

      Not only Offtopic; but incorrect, too. ...And this is the year that will prove you wrong.

    13. Re: Financial services? by null+etc. · · Score: 1

      once any business has enough financial leverage / savings that it's best to just get into financing/lending/banking, period

      Especially if you're a non-profit, like Harvard University, which has a 37 BILLION DOLLAR TAX-FREE endowment.

    14. Re:Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is exactly where Jobs, a long time ago, said it would be. The fate of being a market leader in a saturated and mature market. Cook remembers this certainly, most Slashdotters don't. Cringley missed the likely biggest and final step; you will stop buying your phone and begin leasing it, because that will be the only way to have one. Surprised he would do that, having grown up in the software world of that guy Gates.

      Also, even if you get a loan to buy a car if the interest rate is less than the rate of inflation every (dollar) you give them going forward is worth less. Add in a decent down payment, avoid getting talked into a very costly, pricey up-sell (the whole point of a car loan), and see if you can make extra payments against principal and a car loan can be a great thing. Car salesmen, not so much.

    15. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt it, since the rumor this year is WWDC will announce the new ARM-powered Mac and the merging of macOS and iOS. Which will be the final nail in the Mac's coffin.

      The death of the Mac is coming and everyone knows it.

    16. Re: Financial services? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Just one nit. How do American consumers differ from all other nationalities along this axis?

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    17. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for people that use them. This is just BS perception. I could say that Tesla makes milktoast syled cars and their main selling point is the Southpark-Esque "people like to smell their own farts".

      I have a lot of Apple products, and, frankly, any of them that are designed to exist in a vacuum are just okay. The last thing I bought was an Apple Pencil 1, and you know what? It's awesome. I hope they extend support to phones.

      AppleTV is my go-to TV because it aggregates Prime video, DirecTV Now, Netflix, Hulu and Shudder so well.

      They said Apple would be reduced to a publisher, then a movie shop, etc. blah blah blah. Apple does well to provide good (but not cheap) hardware and getting behind the 8-ball like being an end-provider is dumb. When you're the broker, can sell the experience, people use you regardless of market conditions.

    18. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ARM-powered Mac is actually necessary to keep the Mac viable, particularly on the laptop side of things. ARM performance is outpacing low-power intel performance. It has to happen.

      Will they merge macOS and iOS? No. Will they make every effort to make a unified GUI application layer? Yes. If you've used an iPad Pro you'd know why.

    19. Re: Financial services? by Altus · · Score: 1

      Yes they seem to have an excellent understanding of their advertising ecosystem

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    20. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ARM-powered Mac is actually necessary to keep the Mac viable, particularly on the laptop side of things. ARM performance is outpacing low-power intel performance. It has to happen.

      There's a key word there: low power. Intel still kicks ARM's butt when it comes to laptops and desktops. You know, what the Mac is supposed to be used for.

      There's another reason moving to ARM will kill the Mac: there's a large ecosystem of software that currently runs on Mac solely because the Mac runs on x86-64. Remove that, you kill the Mac because it will lose all of the Adobe apps, the ability to run Windows either directly or via VM, the ability to run Windows apps via WINE, a ton of software originally written for Linux, and more. It will completely kill the software ecosystem on the Mac and make it literally unusable for a ton of developers who rely on x86-64.

      Will they merge macOS and iOS? No. Will they make every effort to make a unified GUI application layer? Yes. If you've used an iPad Pro you'd know why.

      They've already showed off a merging of macOS and iOS. You're a fool if you think it isn't coming. The walled garden is coming to Mac sooner rather than later.

    21. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easier access to subprime credit, I'd say.

    22. Re: Financial services? by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Remove that, you kill the Mac because it will lose all of the Adobe apps, the ability to run Windows either directly or via VM, the ability to run Windows apps via WINE, a ton of software originally written for Linux, and more. It will completely kill the software ecosystem on the Mac and make it literally unusable for a ton of developers who rely on x86-64.

      Adobe has been porting Photoshop to iOS for several years in anticipation of just such a move. By the time Apple switches CPUs, a substantial percentage of the Desktop version of Photoshop (if not the entire code base) will have already been ported to run on ARM. I would not be surprised if their other project teams are doing something similar.

      What moving to ARM will do, unfortunately, is create a big barrier for anyone still running Photoshop CS6 and Lightroom 6, i.e. the people who refuse to switch to a subscription model. It is unlikely that very many of those users will still be running Photoshop after that, so Adobe's overall market share will take a beating pretty quickly. I hope that the rise of alternative products will fill that gap well enough that Adobe will find themselves pressured to restore their software sales model, but I'm not holding my breath. Either way, my first ARM-based Mac will mark the end of Adobe products for me. I'm done with them.

      As for Linux and Windows apps, maybe you missed it, but Windows started transitioning to ARM in 2016, with hardware shipping in late 2017, and Linux has run on ARM processors since the last part of the 20th century. Any software that has strong ties to x86 will have to be rewritten anyway, no matter what Apple does.

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    23. Re:Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Cook is actually great at technology. The new iPhones of some of the most powerful processors and best screens on the market.

      The problem is Apple has never been "great" at technology. They are great at product development and vision. Apple has never designed something new. Smart phones existed before the iPhone in Palm and Blackberry. Ecommerce stores existed before iTunes in eBay. Digital assistants existed before Siri; hell 1st gen Android phones could do everything Siri was advertised to do 2 years before Siri was even a thing.

      Apple just took all these things that other people did, and made great products around that tech and sold them. That's what Apple lacks today, the ability to make great products; they just make ok products now.

    24. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best part is that the iPhone are really just expensive rubber shits

    25. Re:Financial services? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Does "Tim Cock" make you feel better?

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    26. Re: Financial services? by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      That 'Ability to run Windows apps via WINE' is a big one for me. I have a win32 app that I use WINE to run on Macs (and Linux boxes). That'd be fine if I could build it for ARM and have a WINE for ARM version that'd still run it. But I don't see that appearing any time soon. It took long enough to get WINE up and running for Intel Mac's.

      Maybe my app's done for (or ready for a rewrite - not gonna happen, though). But I've relied on the ubiquity of Win32/Intel to keep that thing viable for 30 years. Even Windows ARM machines are supposed to have IA32 emulation to keep that stuff alive - which only goes to show how even Microsoft is stuck supporting it. Apple has broken backward compatibility many times in the past, though, so maybe WINE on Mac will die off - or embrace emulation too...

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    27. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter if you're making a popular smartphone or rubber dogshit.

      The best part about discussions like this is that it's near conceded that Apple is now 'a smartphone maker.' The Mac is just about dead.

      If iPhone sales died tomorrow, so would the company.

      From the financial standpoint, the Mac is dead.

      Thats a sad thought. I would become Amish before going back to Windows.

    28. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just one nit. How do American consumers differ from all other nationalities along this axis?

      I see plenty of Macbooks in the UK.

    29. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Mac is dead. Interesting statement.

      If you are not Dell, Lenovo or HP, you would love to have Apple PC market share by volume. (That means Asus, Acer, Clevo, SuperMicro, etc... would kill to have Apple's market share.)

    30. Re: Financial services? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      That 'Ability to run Windows apps via WINE' is a big one for me. I have a win32 app that I use WINE to run on Macs (and Linux boxes). That'd be fine if I could build it for ARM and have a WINE for ARM version that'd still run it. But I don't see that appearing any time soon. It took long enough to get WINE up and running for Intel Mac's.

      The API that they're emulating is still the same, and there has been a WINE version that runs ARM Windows binaries on ARM Linux for at least a year. Assuming the code is architected sanely, it ought to require little more than a recompile to port it to macOS.

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    31. Re: Financial services? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what happened to GE, the largest (by number of employees) company in the world.

      And as for the company with the largest income, which would be Saudi Aramco, I wonder if they went into financial services, too?

      --
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    32. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! They are fancy scammers and their only business model for legal scammers is finnancial services.

    33. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually there is a project mating Wine and QEMU in a way that should work and be fast enough for things to run (i.e. may actually run native code when the emulated program calls a Wine library)
      It's called Hangover, which perhaps is not a very good name, not 'searchable' but it might because the project is early.

      https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Hangover-0.4-Alpha-Released
      Runs on ARMv8 64bit but could run on over targets if ported. E.g. I think the phoronix guy speculated about POWER9 running this eventually.

    34. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple does not want you to run apps on arm macs that do not come from the app store. Period.

      No porn, No emulation, No wine, No bootcamp. No nothing.

      Full lockdown and walked garden like on i@$.

    35. Re: Financial services? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Apple has transitioned the Mac across CPU architectures three times already. 6800 to 68K (before it shipped), 68K to PPC, and PPC to Intel, not to mention dealing with the 24-bit to 32-bit address space issue in the 68K days, and the 64-bit transition in the PPC days.

      CPU migration hasn't killed the Mac yet, why would it this time?

      -jcr

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    36. Re: Financial services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they're migrating from the architecture everyone uses to one no one uses apart from mobile devices. It will kill compatibility with one of the largest software libraries ever created. Making Macs hardware compatible with Windows was the smartest thing Steve Jobs ever did. It lets you access the largest software library in the world while also accessing Mac software.

      Kill that, and you kill the Mac.

      It's also no longer 2008. Windows laptops have caught up and surpassed the MacBooks. Kill compatibility with Windows software and you might as well just go ahead and get a Windows laptop instead of a MacBook because the MacBook would be a definitively worse product. Worse keyboard, worse hardware, entirely un-upgradeable, complete with ports no one uses, and now with an incredibly small software library.

      Why would anyone do that?

    37. Re: Financial services? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. People buy Macs to run Mac apps.

      -jcr

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  2. Blast from the past. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah good old Cringely. I remember the days when Slashdot had a man-crush on him and would post every article he wrote like a besotted schoolboy. Of course that was Apple pre-iPod and wasn't the juggernaut they are now; they were Slashdots underdog darlings going up against the "evil Microsoft".

    1. Re:Blast from the past. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      And I can renember when Microsoft was the dinky, revered upstart against the hated empire of IBM.

  3. /. editors are retarded, here is the link by jdoeii · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the link to the actual post by Cringely with the Apple prediction: https://www.cringely.com/2019/...

    1. Re:/. editors are retarded, here is the link by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 0

      "Cringely" is actually a pseudonym posted under my multiple people. Kind of like Stephen King.

    2. Re: /. editors are retarded, here is the link by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      How did you mangle the spelling of "James Patterson" so badly?

    3. Re:/. editors are retarded, here is the link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact it doesn't matter. "Cringely" must be write since I still use my iPhone 6S and there is nothing wrong with pseudonyme since I have many.

      I still use my iPhone 6s and reduce my monthly bill from $80 to $50. As a phone and a video camera, the iPhone 6s isn't obsolete and I use it to make my videos on youtube. As a Sprint very special customer for 20+ years, Sprint will always give me a new iPhone for free if I decide to stop using the 6s as a phone in the next several years.
      UPDATE: Santa brough me a Panasonic HC-V180K camcorder for Christmas to replace my iPhone 6s for recording #YouTube videos.

      I have a hearing loss in one ear, so my audio will always be suspect. I use a Zoom H2 audio recorder with a pop filter 12" away from my mouth, Audacity to clean up and normalize the audio, and sync the audio to the video and apply a "voice enhancement" eq to the audio in the video editor.

      My PC has an eight-core processor and a Nvidia 1050 Ti 4GB video card. A minute of 1080p video renedered on the processor takes a minute. A minute of 1080p video renedered on the Nvidia card takes 10 seconds. I don't think an iPad has the same performance of my PC for renedering videos longer than a short clip.
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    4. Re:/. editors are retarded, here is the link by msauve · · Score: 1

      "Cringely" is actually a pseudonym posted under my multiple people.

      Well, it was, until Mark Stephens basically stole the pseudonym from Infoworld. I always liked Mike Swaine's backpage columns better.

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  4. Well... by Kokuyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...they're certainly not gaining points through engineering and innovation lately, that's for sure.

    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except engineering for increased costs, right? Then again, the financing plans are inevitable artifacts of pushing the products into markets that can't take the one-time cost. How many US customers actually pays their phones upfront? The contracts have been financing plans all along for selling phones to people who can't actually afford them. Soon, NVidia GPU Plans for gamers and professionals.

    2. Re: Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dairy farms Apple should open dairy farms

    3. Re: Well... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Apple should buy Adobe and start making Adobe Creative Appliances and end Adobe making software for anything else. And then shut down a year later.

    4. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for a 3 letter agency in Palo Alto and I can tell you for sure engineers suck donkey balls! :) LOL!
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    5. Re: Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It makes sense, I thought many times about buying Slashdot and shutting it down a year later and even offered them 3 pennies but they didn't like it! :)
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    6. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cdreimer, since you like sucking donkey balls so much maybe you can go shack up with APK in his $1 house. I hear he kicked his roommate out and would probably love it if someone sucked his shrived raisin balls and slobber on his micro penis. You would probably get to live there rent free.

    7. Re: Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then you can impersonate a lot of people on slashdot

  5. Bob's sharp! by aglider · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bob's predictions haven't been right all the time. But never at 50-50. More something like 75-25 or even 80-20.
    The good part of Bob's predictions is how acute and sharp he's been so far.
    And not just the predictions, but also any other piece he'd added to his blog (or whatever else you define it), one or a kind.
    Going far beyond the pure appearance and surface, adding thought value by interconnecting news and facts from different sources and, of course, putting in a good dose of his own sharp intelligence.

    I would suggest anyone how likes seeing things under a different light and yet getting most of those right, go heave a deep read to that blog.
    It's worth every single information bit.

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    1. Re:Bob's sharp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bob's predictions haven't been right all the time. But never at 50-50. More something like 75-25 or even 80-20.

      Same for my predictions, at least 90-10+ for sure and have a vast covering domain.

      Still, retards like to make fun of me here on Slashdot because they are jealous! Once thing I learned early is that hard work always pay off!
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    2. Re:Bob's sharp! by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is because his "predictions" are for things that have already happened. For example he "predicted" this last year:
       
      "The H-1B visa problem will NOT go away. Immigration reform will have little actual effect on H-1B visa abuse".
       
      Oh wow. Massive prediction there from 2017. Here is MY Prediction for 2019: "The H-1B visa problem will NOT go away. Immigration reform will have little actual effect on H-1B visa abuse"
       
      Everything he listed is a multiyear issue. Completely idiotic.

    3. Re:Bob's sharp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a lying jew asshole caught lying he was no jew caught quoted saying you are fuckface https://hardware.slashdot.org/... JUDEN always shows it's colors (yellow like GOLD ya scumbag fuck).

    4. Re:Bob's sharp! by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Say wha? A Nazi? Didn't we kill all you guys in the 40s?

    5. Re:Bob's sharp! by dissy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bob's predictions haven't been right all the time. But never at 50-50. More something like 75-25 or even 80-20.

      I mention this purely as friendly banter.

      Robert was actually an employee for Steve Jobs back when Apple was in his home garage, I think he was the 11th or 12th employee back in the mid/late 70's.
      In the beginning Jobs had some difficulties getting funding to get Apple off the ground so offered stock options in place of pay. Robert was one of the few that turned down that offer wanting cash instead.

      Not an unreasonable choice over all, but I would guess he's still kicking himself today over that prediction!

    6. Re:Bob's sharp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JEW you killed yourself caught in a lie you fucking dimwit jew asshole! Run to SHUL? Won't help vs https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    7. Re:Bob's sharp! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Going far beyond the pure appearance and surface, adding thought value by interconnecting news and facts from different sources

      He bestraddles the warp of the attention economy with the weft of long-tail synergies.

      --
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    8. Re:Bob's sharp! by aglider · · Score: 1

      Try read all other articles from his web site.
      I haven't said there's no bullsh!t, like those about the iPhone decryption case...
      But the interesting thoughts of his are so much more than the bullsh!t that it deserves our time.

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    9. Re:Bob's sharp! by aglider · · Score: 1
      --
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    10. Re:Bob's sharp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He said his mother still reminds him of that incident! Triumph of the Nerds was epic!

    11. Re:Bob's sharp! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I don't know what SHUL is, but I enjoy lying immensely.

    12. Re:Bob's sharp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Robert Cringley was found to have lied about having a PhD from Stanford, and lied about having been a professor there. He claims to have been Apple employee #12, but there's no corroborating evidence and another person is well-known to have been employee #12 at Apple.

      Basically, the guy is a fraud.

    13. Re:Bob's sharp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's another word for synagogue, basically.

    14. Re:Bob's sharp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bob's predictions haven't been right all the time. But never at 50-50. More something like 75-25 or even 80-20.

      So are the ones from fortune cookies and astrology. Stating things vague and general that will happen over an indefinite period of time based on previous like behavior is always a safe bet.

  6. Meh by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    “Assisting sales”, financing phones, or even dramatically lowering their profit margins is in itself not enough to arrest the decline of market share. Apple needs to offer compelling reasons for us to not buy Android, the mobile OS that everyone else is using. Switching between OSes is a giant pain in the rear, so they have some leeway there, but if Apple hardware, their OS, their services and integration with other services start to lag behind, people will switch and likely not come back. Having a walled garden is a liability if you do not take good care of it: most people (myself included) know the walls are there but we cannot see them for all the lovely trees in the garden, but Apple hasn’t been watering and trimming them very well lately, and things are starting to look a little shabby. And there are a couple of very good Android phones out there these days; time perhaps to move to greener pastures.

    Google seems to better understand how to care for their ecosystem, not just the core OS but all the services around it: mapping, translation, voice recognition, and so on, all top of the bill stuff. Apple’s services are also-rans. If Apple doesn’t keep up innovation and doesn’t invest some of that vast capital into making their ecosystem the very best, sales will decline. And that means Apple will decline as a tech company. Even with billions in the bank. Same as the guy down the street running a video rental store; he made a killing back in the 80s and saved enough to comfortably retire on, but he keeps the doors to his shop open. Good for him, but I wouldn’t exactly consider him a relevant factor in local commerce.

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    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android is a compelling reason not to by Android.

    2. Re:Meh by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Indeed it is. Except that means nothing at all.

    3. Re: Meh by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google seems to better understand how to care for their ecosystem, not just the core OS

      LMFAO. If you call abandoning devices after 18 months "caring".

    4. Re:Meh by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      From my point of view a huge part of their current problem is that they don't actually offer any products I want. My cell phone is not even Android and I'm content. My Mac is a tower. If they'd make a Mac Mini that was a little less "I'm thin pay extra" I might buy it, but they just do not offer hardware I want. And, as far as I can tell, it's because they are trying to turn all their hardware into iPhones. Beautiful industrial design, thin as possible, and let's call the hi-end of the mid-range the low-end.

      If you add in the lack of attention to detail on some of their releases there's just no reason for me to send them money.

    5. Re: Meh by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Good point, and one of the issues I have with Android devices is the craptastic update policies many vendors have. Another one is that Apple seems to do a much better job of keeping malware out of the App Store. Apple doesn't get everything wrong, and by the same token Google doesn't get everything right. But a lot of the available peripheral services and devices for Android just seem to be of higher quality. And there's a reason for that. Google is in the data business and all of those services are potential profit centers for them; it makes sense to invest in them. For Apple, they are cost centers. But they seem to have forgotten that they are still necessary underpinnings of their core business.

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    6. Re: Meh by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Apple don't make ant Mac hardware anymore that's not made out of laptop parts..

    7. Re: Meh by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      Yes, but that's more a function (or lack thereof) of the Android appliance vendor, no? Google, for their part, does seem somewhat better than some of the Android OEMs in this regard, especially in the IoT sector where many of the devices seem to become abandonware almost as soon as they hit the virtual shelves, as they're stock enough to let you install a few more major updates even after official support stops. I can be a real crapshoot if you try shoving Oreo or Pie on someone else's hardware that hasn't been updated for a few versions, but the Pixels etc. will generally take it without too much fuss (YMMV on performance though). Google have also been working on moving more of the code out of the vendor specific patches and into apps they can update through the store (e.g. the various "Play Services"), reducing the reliance on OEM updates for security fixes, so they've clearly realised there is an issue and trying to improve matters.

      Neither Apple or Google is perfect, of course. But, with a few exceptions, I also tend to find that Android's peripheral services, etc. are at least slightly better than Apple's versions, and often significantly so - Maps, anyone?

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    8. Re: Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your call: buy the Apple @1000 and keep it for 8 years (5 of which with a cracked screen) or buy a new recent decent Android device @250 every 2 years. Easy decision, no ?

    9. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In long run I predict for sure Amazon going to eat Apple's lunch! That seem obvious to me!

      I find AmazonTM the gretest thing since sliced bread and helps taking care of my health at retirement with the Amazon long tail revenue streams!

      All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. You can even make video of yourself going to pick up AmazonTM parcel at the convenience store and post it on your youtube channel for more redundant revenue streams.

      They also have a wide supply, the best of lattes, clif/power bars and microwave popcorn at the best cost, espicially if you make a friend buy them for you with your own affiliate link!
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    10. Re: Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple don't make ant Mac hardware

      In the 3 letter agency I work for in Palo Alto, we are going to upgrade from ant to maven next year!
      FTFY! :)
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    11. Re:Meh by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd say the real problem is they shat all over their ecosystem, peed in their chili if you will, by refusing to service their own products and blocking the others like Rossman that were willing to do the work.

      I HAD (key word had) several customers that WERE very loyal to Apple but it was because everything "just worked" together, their iPhone into their Macbook Airs into their iPads...then Apple stopped repairing their Macbooks (Steve Jobs gotta be spinning like a top in his grave over that one) and their iPads, the rep on the new Macbooks is so bad even these non tech savvy users didn't want them, and then it came out they were fucking users by gimping performance on older phones when they were updated....well it don't take that much to REALLY piss off a customer when they've spent 5k+ at your store and can't even get their products serviced so...they are now all using Samsung Galaxy into nice HP business class laptops they had me spec for them that honestly gave them better performance at a cheaper price.

      Apple is making a serious fuck up that you are 100% correct on, you HAVE to keep them "in the garden" but the way you do that is by not only making products they want to buy but servicing (or making it easy for third parties to service) the older gear. Remember this gear ain't cheap folks and your non tech types? Can get attached to their gear. Apple saying "fuck you we won't fix it" while simultaneously blocking others from fixing it? Well like I said my customers USED to buy all their gear from Apple, and being doctors they had plenty of money to buy the nicest gear, hell one even had her entire office running on iPads...now they are on new Surface units.

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    12. Re:Meh by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      I enjoy that this ignores many of the issues that Google brings. Apple doesn't spy on its users and sell that data to third parties. Google and companies that operate like them are having difficulty navigating under laws like GDPR, Right to be Forgotten, etc. Their only saving grace is that US Republicans still favor businesses over people. As attitudes change towards a more privacy conscious society (not all of us want our employers to be able to buy up marketing data to use in their recruitment processes), companies like Google will find it very challenging to operate in that kind of environment.

      Apple has been making investment in its AI and has recently brought on key talent to revamp those services. But there should be no illusion, when you don't collect and store terabytes of data on each of your users, it may BE harder to develop amazingly accurate AI services. When you don't read every single email, message, and spy on every single bit of web traffic, it's more challenging to build up a picture of a person without all of the data points. I don't personally give a fuck that Siri can't read my mind. I don't want it to. I don't need someone to be able to make a call for me to setup an appointment. Those things I can do myself.

    13. Re: Meh by molnarcs · · Score: 1

      Google seems to better understand how to care for their ecosystem, not just the core OS

      LMFAO. If you call abandoning devices after 18 months "caring".

      They made steps to mitigate this problem. And now, we have a variety of Android One devices with pretty decent support. My current phone, a Xiaomi mi A1 came out in 2017 with Android Nougat, and runs the latest Android (9.0 Pie) with regular monthly security updates. That's not bad for an $200 phone. There is plenty of choice now with long(ish) term support for devices from a variety of vendors.

    14. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite. Google is the compelling reason not to buy Android.

      You can pay out the ass for for Apple, you can be tracked analyzed in minute detail and marketed at in the way most effective at subconsciously swinging your purchasing and voting preferences by Google, or you can be a hermit with a flip phone. Them's your options in the modern corporate dystopia.

    15. Re:Meh by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

      What declining market share are you referencing? iOS has held relatively at 13-14% steady for years now. iPhone sales peak in Q4 around product launches, but otherwise have also held more or less at 14% market share.

    16. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, my impressions are the opposite. Google is an ad tracker company, Apple isn't. /shrug Google Photos show up on randomly on other people's TVs. Apple Photos don't. /shrug

    17. Re: Meh by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      You can get the Google services on Apple if you want.

    18. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I enjoyed being locked into the walled garden until Apple decided to deprecate 32bit and shed 99% of their apps from the store in the process. I lost a lot of my app store worth that upgrade. The 2011 macbook pro with 16GB ram and 1TB ssd (Both I upgraded myself) has now been deprecated in favour of metal #Me2GFXLibrary. A stunt I am sure was done to shed the weight of the old and force in the new. Fuck Apple. Now that I have been freed of it's greed, my next upgrade will most definitely be an android variant or the Librem phone which is about to be released to the wild and a massively overpowered spec to Apple and at 1/3 the cost, a WINDOWS laptop that I will uninstall and run hackintosh (Because I do prefer macOS over Windows 10, conflicted I know, but meh)

      The garden has placed thorns in my bed. Time for a new bed.

    19. Re: Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Toilet Safety Administration, also known as TSA, is a fictional government agency

    20. Re: Meh by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Of course you can't repair the screens on an iPhone can you. Do you think it's reasonable for something you pay a lot of money for, such as the Pixel, is abandoned after 18 months? I'm happy with my 6s - I don't see anything special about any of the phones that have come out in the last 3 years that would be worth spending silly money on another phone from any manufacturer.

    21. Re: Meh by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      A 2 year update guarantee is pretty good for such a cheap phone. How long do the expensive ones such as the Pixel receive updates for? I bet it's not 5 years even though they cost similar silly money as Apple.

  7. Cringely is neglecting the interest rate... by mccalli · · Score: 1

    0%. Apple is trying to get people to buy devices, not create a financial powerhouse.

    1. Re:Cringely is neglecting the interest rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not? Apple could start leasing their phones out, with or without data and voice plans attached. Minimum contract 18 months / 2 years.

      It's probably the only way some of their poorer customers could afford the expensive new shiny things they crave.

      It could be a (financially) clever move.

    2. Re:Cringely is neglecting the interest rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that! I still use my iPhone 6s and reduce my monthly bill from $80 to $50. As a phone and a video camera, the iPhone 6s isn't obsolete and I use it to make my videos on youtube. As a Sprint very special customer for 20+ years, Sprint will always give me a new iPhone for free if I decide to stop using the 6s as a phone in the next several years.
      UPDATE: Santa brough me a Panasonic HC-V180K camcorder for Christmas to replace my iPhone 6s for recording #YouTube videos.
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    3. Re:Cringely is neglecting the interest rate... by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      with 30% APR

    4. Re:Cringely is neglecting the interest rate... by mccalli · · Score: 2

      In the EU at least that's illegal - unbundling laws happened a few years ago and you are charged for device and plan separately. You could do minimum voice/data of 2 years I think, but you can't do the same for the device - it's a separate finance agreement.

    5. Re:Cringely is neglecting the interest rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple phones on a monthly payment are not 0%. Multiply the payments by the term. It's usually about 20% over cash price.

    6. Re:Cringely is neglecting the interest rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe in the US, not in Sweden (at least). Here you can chose to pay the phone with your monthly plan or up front. No difference in the overall cost of the phone. That's how so many people in Sweden can afford the new, shiny phones.

  8. Apple does buy up competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple has lost its mojo in the loss of Steve Jobs, he was not only a visionary but also a great salesman for Apple products. I can't get through a Apple event anymore without thinking how boring and uninspiring they are without Jobs. Apple is another Sony who ironically was a company who copied Apple to being a electronic maker who also was thought of as a premium maker of technology. Nothing inspiring about Apple anymore, and I doubt ever will be.

    1. Re:Apple does buy up competition by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      WTF? Sony was making what were perceived as 'top end' electronics when Apple's founders were making illegal blue-boxes for foreign students to steal long distance time from the phone companies.

    2. Re:Apple does buy up competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony still makes high end products. Apple is first and foremost a fashion company these days. Their phones have been behind the curve of high tech since the 2nd iphone came out. You get far more bang for your buck and bleeding edge tech in the flagships of any of the big brand android makers. At some point the apple fad will run it's course like any other in fashion item. Remember these says all it takes is a few social media "influencers" to make or break your brand.

      Engineers and content creators are already leaving the apple platform due to stagnating hardware and the eventual demise of their platforms into glorified oversized ipads.

    3. Re:Apple does buy up competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Insightful! :)

      You do have a point there and that's why I watch not to make same mistakes as Apple did in my multiple long tail businesses I manage. Very important advise than you!
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    4. Re:Apple does buy up competition by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Agree with your first half. However your time table is a just a little bit off:

      Sony was selling their transistor radio, TR-55, back in 1955 -- long BEFORE Apple. One of Sony's last mass popular consumer electronics was the Walkman which starting selling in 1979 -- the same year Apple was selling the Apple ][+.

      How is Sony copying Apple when they were selling electronics before Apple even existed???

      Sony makes MOST of its money (63%) selling insurance.

      Sony pivoted to finance from electronics a long time ago.

    5. Re:Apple does buy up competition by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You might have missed the whole 'playstation' thing. Pretty sure they all outsold the walkman.

      Also cameras, bet your phone has a Sony CCD in it. Of course I could be wrong, your phone might have a shitty camera.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    6. Re:Apple does buy up competition by LostMyAccount · · Score: 2

      I actually think Sony is a cautionary tale for Apple. From about 1977 through the mid-80s or so, Sony was really the Apple of consumer audio and video products. Great design and high quality. It was peak Japanese high tech. There was even a professional studio version of their products, giving their consumer products a kind of "pro" seal of approval. Sony was even into their own "better' formats, like Betamax and later, Minidisc.

      If you were a balls-out stud in 1982 you had a Trinitron TV, a Walkman, and probably at least one Sony stereo component.

      But somehow they didn't transition well to digital besides Playstation. They became a commodity player, albeit expensive, and really only the TVs were at the top of the heap, and even they lost TVs in the move to flat panels.

      IMHO, Apple's problem is a lack of risk taking. They *should* be doing a Manhattan Project scale product development on something outside of iPhone/iPad with all their cash. The Manhattan project cost about $25 billion today's money, and the Apollo project around $200 billion. Apple literally has the resources to duplicate *both* those investments to scale.

      I don't know what $100-200 billion in R&D looks like, but I bet its pretty cool.

      Instead of taking those risks, Apple coasts on its iPhone, rigidly controlling the platform to prevent third parties and users from exploiting it in ways Apple doesn't control or undermine future half-step upgrades they want people to buy. They hoard cash, buy back stock and get into all the little financial gimmicks that please audit committees and institutional investors.

    7. Re:Apple does buy up competition by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      1. Which is why I said "One of".

      2. The Walkman sold ~400 million (*) copies (~200 million were the cassette player). That is roughly on par with ALL the PlayStations combined (~434 million)

      PS1 = 102 million sales
      PS2 = 155 million sales
      PS3 = 83 million
      PS3 = 94 million

      (*) Not sure where the Verge is getting 400 million from. Wikipedia lists 385 million as of 2009.

      Regardless, while Sony has been extremely successful in the Electronics sector their bread-and-butter is still Insurance.

  9. Everyone Taking the Brazilian Model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Brazil, things don't really have a price... Well, they do, but the price of things, especially electronics, is utterly unreachable by the common man. So, what they do is they put the price in tiny tiny print, but the big font is the monthly payment. That's how people buy things in Brasil - by the monthly payment. It might be 6X or 12X but usually it's short term, but still a very high payment and interest rate.

    With cell phones getting in the over-$1000 range, we can expect similar market shifts.

    1. Re:Everyone Taking the Brazilian Model by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      That's the 'shiney loving moron model'. It's worldwide to varying degrees and why about half of Americans have a negative net worth.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  10. My prediction ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple will license its brand to Chinese / Vietnamese appliance manufacturers and we will soon see Apple branded hair dryer, Apple branded toasters, Apple branded carpet cleaner, and then Apple branded cat food.

    As per tech giants, Google, Facebook, Netflix, Microsoft, Amazon will end up like AT&T / Verizon / Sprint of the telephone/net provider, or Sony / Paramount / Universal of Hollywood, doing the same half-dead thing, over, and over, and over again, and yes, they will also be overcharging the consumers in the process.

    As for innovation in 20 to 50 years all meaningful innovation will be from China, India, Brazil and Vietnam.

    1. Re: My prediction ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for innovation in 20 to 50 years all meaningful innovation will be from China, India, Brazil and Vietnam.

      All meaningful innovation already comes from China! Just look at foldable phones... Samsung was humiliated by both Xaomi and Huawei

  11. "Financial services" is another way to say by mark_reh · · Score: 2

    loan sharking. Apple will become a huge loan sharking operation that uses their phones to get into your wallet (instead of the more traditional sports book). How else is Apple going to get people to spend more and more on new phones? They're already over $1k. Right now ATT and Verizon are capturing all that revenue. I can't imagine they are going to be very happy about Apple's moves to take that revenue from them.

    The same thing is happening in many industries. Corporations are buying up individual and group owned dental practices and doing a lot of advertising on TV. Under their careful and care-full management, many, many more people get the dentures they "need" for "affordable monthly payments". A word of advice: if you spend more time talking to the staff about financial arrangements than you do with the dentist, find another dentist.

  12. Just like the old GM by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    up until chapter 11 it was one of the largest health insurance companies and a bank that just happened to make cars.

    when the hardware becomes a commodity and profit margins drop, you suck up all the money spent around your hardware

    1. Re:Just like the old GM by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Hmm... with the cash reserves they have, now I'm wondering if their service wouldn't end up being to lease the phones instead of selling them.

    2. Re:Just like the old GM by dasunt · · Score: 2

      up until chapter 11 it was one of the largest health insurance companies and a bank that just happened to make cars.

      The old banking business of GM is alive and well. It used to be known as GMAC. But you likely have heard of their new name: Ally Financial.

      They offer an online only banking system that is known for having really great savings and CD rates (2.20% APR for savings, 2.75% for a 12 month CD).

  13. I saw all /. cringe today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK kicked the living crap out of you slashdot assholes https://it.slashdot.org/commen... showing everyone how fucking stupid you losers are.

  14. Every Company that does this Fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Every single company that decides that "services are more profitable than productivity" eventually fails big and has to correct.

    I've worked for GE, Honeywell, and a couple of other fortune 500s, and each time I got to witness the destruction from the inside that comes from the CEO and board deciding that they want to be a services company rather than a company that makes things.

    I got to witness the wholesale destruction of jobs as each company outsourced those services to low-cost countries and had only a staff of "front men" in the US to pretend they were the competence behind those services.

    It worked great until their customers realized they could just outsource those services themselves and not have a middleman.

    What Apple looks like it is trying to do is lock its stupidly hyper-loyal fanbase into a cycle of insurmountable debt, turning them into modern-day digital sharecroppers. "Sure we've raised the price of our phones to $1200, but we'll finance it at high rates and a term longer than the lifetime of the product, and when it dies and you need a new one, we'll conveniently refinance the rest of the loan into the loan on the new phone. And oh by the way, if you don't buy a new phone with this convenient rollover financing, you'll have to pay off the note on your dead phone in full right away because we've lost our security."

    Predatory lending at its best.

    1. Re:Every Company that does this Fails by epine · · Score: 1

      I got to witness the wholesale destruction of jobs as each company outsourced those services to low-cost countries ...

      Yeah, there's this one guy in India, who has more work to do than you could possibly imagine, but it barely makes ends meet, so he's reluctant to relax his outsource monopoly.

    2. Re:Every Company that does this Fails by umghhh · · Score: 1

      My thoughts too. What I saw so far is that services connected to the stuff we made were to be major source of income. That was decades ago. In fact we could see that services were bringing a lots of money. Only the art of the services was overlooked by the BMA drones - that the services were directly linked to the stuff we produced. In other words: if we skip producing stuff we have not much to offer that commands a premium from customers. It is not to say it is not possible to have a profitable service based company. Only this is more difficult than to skip current manufacturing that company has and move on to service sector where market share was directly linked to this manufacturing that we just closed.

    3. Re:Every Company that does this Fails by stuff-n-things · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, indeed. GE is effectively gone, replaced by a retailer in the Dow Jones (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/general-electric-booted-from-dow-jones-industrial-average-2018-06-19). Apple may be just a bank in 20 years, and it will be just a bit player. Past time for Tim to go.

    4. Re:Every Company that does this Fails by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Good post, but does any of it mean Cringely's prediction of them following this path is incorrect? Maybe it's sort of a black hole that companies get pulled into when they are too successful for too long and the money pushes out the actual business.

    5. Re:Every Company that does this Fails by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Every single company that decides that "services are more profitable than productivity" eventually fails big and has to correct.

      You'll need to define "fails big" in this instance.

      Every year around where I live, farmers go out with these big machines and DESTROY THEIR OWN CROPS. They call it "harvesting", but the end result is that they completely ravage and destroy every single one of the plants they just spent all year to grow.

      From the C-level view of the world, these are businesses, not religions. If there is more short-term money to be made in finances, that is clearly the path to go. Build it up, then harvest it.

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    6. Re:Every Company that does this Fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, indeed. GE is effectively gone

      In 2018, GE ranked among the Fortune 500 as the 18th-largest firm in the U.S. by gross revenue. I'd like to be that gone.

    7. Re:Every Company that does this Fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only a staff of "front men" in the US to pretend they were the competence behind those services...until their customers realized they could just outsource those services themselves and not have a middleman

      The theory is improved profit margins. Large aerospace companies back in the day thought they could pull off the same where the front men were systems engineers/project managers who out-sourced low margin production. When theory started to meet practice there were, of course, issues. One practice, surprisingly, was to outsource production to a potential competitor.

    8. Re:Every Company that does this Fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      revenue != profits.

  15. Confusing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GE is a shambles of the gigantic manufacturing company it once was. Jack Welch is now regarded as a big, big part of that problem. So when Cringely predicts Apple will be ok because of following down the path of GE, that doesn't make sense. I don't think any company would want to go through the downfall GE has faced in the past several years.

    1. Re:Confusing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cringely is a boomer so he thinks boomer things, like still believing the Jack Welch cult of personality from 30 years ago.

  16. GE and 1981.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate to break it to you, but Apple isn't GE and we're not in 1981. In the age of information and interconnected, you really hope Apple is able to make a stride in the financial business? Only if they invest (read: waste) billions and billions of dollars buying up all the fintech and spending billions of dollars trying to gain a position in the banking industry. Apple is simply out of depth here, 1981 is long gone and Apple is no GE.

    1. Re:GE and 1981.... by hey! · · Score: 2

      The hardest thing in business, and (equivalently) one that costs a lot of money: obtaining customers.

      Once you have the customer relationship you can buy or hire the expertise needed to exploit it different ways.

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  17. I still miss Pammy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked reading Cringely when it was really him on InfoWorld, not the cheap imitators.

  18. Right, because... by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    > and announcing an Apple credit card with Goldman Sachs

    My grocery store chain has a credit card too. So does that mean they're a financial services company too?

    > Jack Welch took GE into financial services in 1981, transforming the company and increasing its market cap by 4000 percent over his 20 years

    And then lost almost all of it when people stopped being enamoured with a single number on the quarterly reports. And I'm sorry, but Tim Cook does not inspire the same sort of loyalty among money men as Jack Welsh did on his worst day. Sturm und Drang is not his thing.

  19. ugh by negrace · · Score: 1

    What are his predictions doing on the first page? He is wrong most of the time, and then he cheats next year when he awards himself "I guessed it mostly correct", lol. His predictions are a big joke. Ask him about Minecraft though :)

    1. Re:ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask him about Minecraft

      Roger, is that you?

  20. Apple teaming up with Goldman is bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Goldman is overrated, and the people who partner with them usually end up losers. Goldman is like the IBM of finance.

  21. Good news, bad news by timholman · · Score: 1

    What Apple is probably closest to becoming is a hedge fund -- a very big hedge fund in fact.

    So good news for my Apple stock, bad news for my desire to buy a worthwhile replacement for my 7-year-old MacBook Pro.

    At this rate, I'll be calculating my Apple stock dividends on a Linux laptop a couple of years from now.

  22. Financing Makes Sense by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 0

    This makes sense to me - If you look at Apple.com right now you already see lots of financing offers for their products. Seems to be a new focus that they've borrowed from car dealers.

    Unlike me, who just bought a refurbed Galaxy S7 for couple hundred bucks cash, very few people I know with high-end iPhones plunk down the thousand bucks to buy them new - They finance them through their wireless carrier under contract and then replace them every three years, repeating the process. Seems to me that's prime pickings for financing revenue that Apple is leaving on the table - Both interest and profit margin on the phone.

    Add in the fact that Apple is easily able to put forced obsolescence into the phone via iOS upgrades, and a strong user base and it seems to be win win.

  23. Downfall of Sears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The downfall of Sears began the day it sold off it's credit card business.
    Sears was multiplying the profit it made on every washer and dryer sold with the Sears credit card. For many families they could get a washer and dryer put on the card, and the monthly payments would be less than going to the laundry mat, so it was a win/win for everyone.

  24. Forced obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That argument might be viable if Apple wasn't still actively supporting phones first sold back in 2013. No Android phones that old still get updates. Most don't when they're even half that old. Apple COULD do the route of forced obsolescence, but they've found that a long support life means high resale value and a larger installed base.