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Apple Is Now Forcing Its Suppliers to Go 'Green' (afr.com)

Apple is already running on 100% green energy, according to Fast Company. But Apple is still "keen to show it's a good corporate citizen," reports the Australian Financial Review: Apple's annual supplier responsibility report released on Thursday revealed 20 manufacturing supplier facilities had been removed from the company's supply chain for breaches of environmental permits or workplace rules. "Smelters and refiners deeper in our supply chain are held to similar standards and if they exhibit a lack of commitment to meet our supplier code of conduct, they risk losing Apple's business," the report said...

In 2018, Apple completed 770 audits of its supplier manufacturing facilities, logistics and repair centres and contact centre facilities. There were also 279 third-party mineral smelter and refiner audits conducted... Apple's 13th annual supplier responsibility progress report said all final assembly points for iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, AirPods and HomePod, were now certified zero waste to landfill, while conserving billions of litres of water and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Apple's suppliers in 45 countries have diverted 1 million tonnes of garbage in three years, saved 28.7 gigalitres of water and reduced greenhouse gas emissions by more than 466,000 annualised metric tons, which is the equivalent to taking 100,000 cars off the road for one year.

114 comments

  1. What about planned obsolescence? by Dasher42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Having to replace a bunch of parts and drop $700 because a MacBook Pro's butterfly keyboard broke isn't green, Apple. These things have embodied energy, implicit in their manufacture. They're not disposable.

    1. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      What about [made up story]?

    2. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Freischutz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having to replace a bunch of parts and drop $700 because a MacBook Pro's butterfly keyboard broke isn't green, Apple. These things have embodied energy, implicit in their manufacture. They're not disposable.

      Huh? I got one of the first MacBooks with a butterfly keyboard, when it broke they happily fixed mine under warranty. I'm now on my third butterfly keyboard equipped MacBook and have not had any problems since.

    3. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you think the used broken parts went?

    4. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which one are you making up this time? The one about John Galt? Andrew Wiggin? Sarah Connor? Gregor Samsa? The Count of Monte Crisco?

    5. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about deliberate willful ignorance?

      You sound like a conspiracy theorist of opposite polarity, where every reality you can't handle *must* be made up or a conspiracy theory.

    6. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit, are you that blinded? We're not talking about customer service here. (Even then, what do you think will happen once out of warranty?)

      We're talking about how green it is to design something that is extremely difficult to replace (or need replacing at all early in it's life)

    7. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you're really soldering shit into your android, right you twat?

    8. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Freischutz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Where do you think the used broken parts went?

      Why my broken butterfly keyboard went to keyboard heaven where it was upgraded into a legendary IBM Model F bucking spring keyboard by the great cable monster in the sky who then sold it to you.

    9. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Freischutz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fuckin mac enthusiasts. Buy glass and steel versions of tiger repelling rocks and rely on anecdotal based reasoning.

      Why, yes, you are quite right, I am an Apple enthusiast and I will freely admit that I fuck frequently and find this activity immensely enjoyable. If you are tired of your existence as an embittered incel hermit I can only recommend you join the Apple collective and get laid.

    10. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Holy shit, are you that blinded? We're not talking about customer service here. (Even then, what do you think will happen once out of warranty?)

      We're talking about how green it is to design something that is extremely difficult to replace (or need replacing at all early in it's life)

      I was not talking about customer service, just thought I'd mention it since he shelled out $700 for a keyboard fix which seems strange since keyboard failures are covered by warranty. As for the rest of my comment it was just meant to describe my personal experience with zero butterfly keyboard failures on my last three machines after that first incident and the similar experience of several family members who have not experience any butterfly keyboard failures either. I used to run a large fleet of PC laptops and I can assure you that keyboard failures are not that uncommon (and you would not believe what some people do to their keyboards). Mind you the early butterfly keyboard did have above average issues, from what I could tell mostly due to the butterfly component being excessively delicately built but they seem to have beefed them up in later versions.

      P.S. While we all respect your life choice to worship excrement please spare the rest of use the visuals in the future, it's meal time for some of us :-).

    11. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am an Apple enthusiast and I will freely admit that I fuck frequently and find this activity immensely enjoyable

      That's great! I'm sure your boyfriend loves it too.

    12. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      You seem to be interpreting every single figure of speech in this thread literally. Are you autistic, or German?
      I know, I know. Nobody is speaking in this thread, we're transliterating our thoughts into electronically transmitted word components.
      Gosh, you're clever.

    13. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..and how about proper enterprise management? Paying people to drive around touching each device one at a time is wasteful and time consuming. The joke that is meraki management of apple devices makes it worse.

    14. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Freischutz · · Score: 0

      I am an Apple enthusiast and I will freely admit that I fuck frequently and find this activity immensely enjoyable

      That's great! I'm sure your boyfriend loves it too.

      Awwww.... somebody isn't comfortable about their sexual orientation so he slings gay jokes at people because he thinks everybody else is as messed up about it he is.

    15. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Freischutz · · Score: 1, Funny

      You seem to be interpreting every single figure of speech in this thread literally. Are you autistic, or German?.

      No I'm a pretty large and hairy Scandinavian cave troll.

      Gosh, you're clever.

      I know ;-) ...

    16. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      check your privilege.. he might not be gay.

    17. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Toxic masculinity defined.

      Can't refute the argument so attack a person's sexual attractiveness.

      What's next, pinching the secretary's behind and calling her sugar?

      Actually I identify as a lizard alien creature that procreates asexually. My species has no genders as you humans define them.

    18. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Code+Herder · · Score: 1

      For the record, I have an iphone and a macbook and apple did a few repair on both of then out of waranty for free.
      They wonâ(TM)t always do it but several people I know had similar experiences with their out of warranty phone at the apple store when it was clearly a defect with the hardware.

    19. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having to replace a bunch of parts and drop $700 because a MacBook Pro's butterfly keyboard broke isn't green

      The last time I checked, $700 is green ...
      ... green into Apple's wallet.

    20. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, you are the one up in a tizzy and slinging bigotry around to defend your obviously bad reasoning skills.

    21. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No thanks. fuck apple.

    22. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like fucking Apple...sheâ(TM)s a very hot Asian chick.

    23. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

      Apple and Green cannot go together with their current business practices such as lobbying against right to repair.

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    24. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Hey, you are the one up in a tizzy and slinging bigotry around to defend your obviously bad reasoning skills.

      Yes, but you are the one who has issues with gay people, you must have since you threw that 'you must be gay' themed attempt at an insult at me thinking I'd find it as offensive as you obvioulsy do. Unfortunately for you I have no issues with gay people, you can accuse me of being gay till you run out of slurs and will I not be offended so try to find some better insult, think of it as a fun and invigorating game of insult whack-a-mole.

    25. Re: What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am an Apple enthusiast and I will freely admit that I fuck frequently and find this activity immensely enjoyable

      That's great! I'm sure your boyfriend loves it too.

      Insensitive clod. How do you know Apple enthusiast isn't a lesbian?

    26. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      I am an Apple enthusiast and I will freely admit that I fuck frequently and find this activity immensely enjoyable.

      I hope you use protection, because those rent boys at the leather bar tend to be, shall we say, less than hygienic. Just ask Tim Cook.

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    27. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      I am an Apple enthusiast and I will freely admit that I fuck frequently and find this activity immensely enjoyable.

      I hope you use protection, because those rent boys at the leather bar tend to be, shall we say, less than hygienic. Just ask Tim Cook.

      Oh my, another one. You do realise that when you think you are insulting somebody with accusations of homosexuality all it really does is speak volumes about your own sexual insecurities and doubts about your sexual orientation. I have no problems with gay people and I am in no way, shape or form insecure in my heterosexuality. Some wiseass accusing me of being gay has about as much of an effect on me as accusing me of being a short order cook. However, I do enjoy observing you guys struggle and fail to come up with new and innovative insults to throw at me so do feel free to try again.

    28. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuckin mac enthusiasts. Buy glass and steel versions of tiger repelling rocks and rely on anecdotal based reasoning.

      Why, yes, you are quite right, I am an Apple enthusiast and I will freely admit that I fuck frequently and find this activity immensely enjoyable. If you are tired of your existence as an embittered incel hermit I can only recommend you join the Apple collective and get laid.

      Apple gay culture resistance is not futile

    29. Re:What about planned obsolescence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toxic masculinity defined.

      Can't refute the argument so attack a person's sexual attractiveness.

      What's next, pinching the secretary's behind and calling her sugar?

      Actually I identify as a lizard alien creature that procreates asexually. My species has no genders as you humans define them.

      ahh yes ... I think a saw an animoji for that

  2. Re: Apple Is Now Forcing Its Suppliers to Go 'Gree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the savings gets passed on to the consumer!

  3. Apple are not forcing anyone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're simply not doing business with someone anymore. That someone can continue to operate their processes any way they wish.

  4. Apple is "Green"? by Piranhaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hope more people see past Apple's sleight of hand here. They design their devices in such a way that makes it very difficult (or impossible) to repair, and it's usually just cheaper to replace it out of warranty since they charge exorbitant prices to due so and don't authorize third-party repair. E-waste is a real thing, but they completely ignore this because "green electricity" is easier to get a headline for and doesn't affect their bottom line.

    1. Re:Apple is "Green"? by Kohath · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Agreed. No amount of effort will ever satisfy critics. No one should bother trying. Just ignore them.

    2. Re: Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the bot!

    3. Re:Apple is "Green"? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Simple and short, they're pandering to the environmentalist crowd or aligned crowd. Likely the same people who are buying their products and there's been some noise about how their products really aren't green. Really it's cheap astroturfing, that can be easily canned out via a press release and ignored unless the noise starts picking up again.

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    4. Re:Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hope more people see past Apple's sleight of hand here. They design their devices in such a way that makes it very difficult (or impossible) to repair, and it's usually just cheaper to replace it out of warranty since they charge exorbitant prices to due so and don't authorize third-party repair. E-waste is a real thing, but they completely ignore this because "green electricity" is easier to get a headline for and doesn't affect their bottom line.

      Are you intentionally just inviting someone to pitch Apple's recycling and refurb programs? All these programs absolutely affect their bottom line. Not everyone is as strapped with cash as they are and can afford to do what they do, but Jesus it's not nothing, try reading past the headline.

    5. Re:Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple and short, they're pandering to the environmentalist crowd or aligned crowd. Likely the same people who are buying their products and there's been some noise about how their products really aren't green. Really it's cheap astroturfing, that can be easily canned out via a press release and ignored unless the noise starts picking up again.

      Cheap, and it would attract Apples customers, GOT IT... so the other manufacturers should be announcing similar plans in 3, 2, 1... what happened? They don't want Apples customers or they can't afford to do this?

      Aw, better luck next time Mashki buddy :/

    6. Re:Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, to be fair, their CEO's name is Tim "Green" Apple.

    7. Re: Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, no woman will ever be satisfied by you so you might as well rape them all.

    8. Re:Apple is "Green"? by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      This is only partially true. Yes, E-Waste is a substantial problem. But climate change is a much more serious environmental problem by any reasonable stretch. If someone is producing E-Waste but isn't contributing to CO2 output that's a net win. Not all environmental problems are the same priority.

    9. Re:Apple is "Green"? by tsa · · Score: 0

      Yep, you're right. So let them build a new factory in Trump Land, powered by the dirtiest coal plants mankind can build. What does it matter? /s

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    10. Re: Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, no woman will ever be satisfied by you so you might as well rape them all.

      When they lock you up, remember to never drop the soap in the shower room.

    11. Re:Apple is "Green"? by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to be able to separate Trump's rhetoric from reality. Yes, he's a USA-First, (actually Me first, but whatever) coal-is-best, fuck all the other countries except those run by dictators who pretend to like him, climate change is a hoax-er.

      But his reality is at odds with what's happening in the US. Factories continue to close. Coal power plants continue to be shuttered. Coal mines aren't reopening, and are instead shutting down. Coal is so uneconomic right now that not even government subsidies can keep it afloat. And our trade deficit continues to climb, despite all his efforts with tariffs and the rest of the ignorant trade shit he's done.

      At the best, Apple would open a factory filled with robots and powered by renewables. Not a lot of jobs created, but made-in-the-USA.

      At the worst, it's business as usual. Made overseas with a bit of effort spent to try to make it as environmentally friendly, and with a minimum of slave labor.

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    12. Re: Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me? Why? Are they going to outlaw satirical responses to known trolls?

    13. Re:Apple is "Green"? by shilly · · Score: 1

      A bang-up-to-date joke! Nice

    14. Re:Apple is "Green"? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Cheap, and it would attract Apples customers, GOT IT... so the other manufacturers should be announcing similar plans in 3, 2, 1... what happened? They don't want Apples customers or they can't afford to do this?

      Oh noes. It looks like we've run into the AC, who hasn't been paying attention to basic sales trends for the last two years. To the point that even the "whales" that would buy a new apple device, are no longer wanting to buy a new apple device.

      Aw, better luck next time Mashki buddy :/

      You sure did a bang up job of showing how ignorant you were. Good luck next time, I suggest reading sales and expectation reports on new products first.

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    15. Re:Apple is "Green"? by tsa · · Score: 1

      It was meant as a sarcastic lame joke. I don't live in the US but I read about it and it's good to see states just ignoring Trump because they want to be green and/or green alternatives are cheaper than coal. The US is doing more to reduce greenhouse gases than my country the Netherlands.

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      -- Cheers!

    16. Re: Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Appleâ(TM)s last reported quarter was its second best ever,

    17. Re:Apple is "Green"? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This is only partially true. Yes, E-Waste is a substantial problem. But climate change is a much more serious environmental problem by any reasonable stretch.

      The two problems are not unrelated. Reuse means less devices are produced, which means less industrial pollution. Recycling is a distant second. It's better than landfilling, but it doesn't reduce emissions nearly as much as reuse. And for older portable devices, reuse often requires repair.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    18. Re: Apple is "Green"? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      AppleÃ(TM)s last reported quarter was its second best ever,

      And yet, they've had declining sales. What does that mean? Come on it's not hard.

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    19. Re: Apple is "Green"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I note your desperate attempt to change the goalpost

  5. Product Quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's cool that Apple is hip to the latest in greenness. When will they make laptops with decent keyboards again? Now that they're clearly caring about the environment, when will they care about consumers?

    What about producing upgradeable equipment that lasts for years like they used to do? I'm writing this on my mid-2012 MacBook Pro, with easily upgradeable RAM and hard drive; its predecessor, a 2008 MacBook, had special bays for replacing those components. If I get a new MacBook, I'm stuck with a soldered monolith that I'll have to throw away in order to upgrade. Wouldn't it be greener to make computers upgradeable, so that they last longer (like my seven year old MacBook Pro)?

    I absolutely love my MacBook Pro, and I have extra cash to buy myself something nice. It won't be a consumer-grade toy with a shitty keyboard and a useless "touchbar." And, frankly, I don't care where the Chinese got the electricity to make the hardware as much as I care about having a product of the level of quality that existed before Tim Cook reversed Jobs' micromanaging obsession with quality.

    1. Re:Product Quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's not completely terrible if you buy it with RAM maxed out. But then they would need to release a 64GB RAM version, on the upcoming release at least. This is the new real ceiling on even laptops and desktops with two RAM slots.
      Yeah it would still need an M.2 slot, have the built-in soldered storage and the slot. Call this a "Macbook Pro Pro"

  6. Cause it's fashionable (=profitable). by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not because it's sensible if you want humanity to live on.
    That would be empathy.
    And that has no place in the world of psychopath capitalism.

    1. Re: Cause it's fashionable (=profitable). by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why arenâ(TM)t their competitors doing it?

  7. This is why I recently switched from Android to iP by rgbe · · Score: 2

    Iâ(TM)ve been a long time Android user and was dismayed by all the manufacturer environmental records. Apple rate along side the Fairphone (https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/reports/greener-electronics-2017/) on Greenpeaceâ(TM)s guide to green electronics. Apple is definitely not a perfect corporate citizen, but there are some things they are doing much better than the rest.

  8. Absolutism counterproductive by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Apple could do more toward their own goal by easing up a little bit and using those resources to create a cheaper low end model of the phone. Have people buy a 95% purity-test phone instead of whatever Xiaomi or OnePlus are selling.

    No amount of effort will get environmental zealots' approval anyway.

    1. Re:Absolutism counterproductive by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Geeze! Now you're complaining. If it helps the bottom line, why argue?

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    2. Re:Absolutism counterproductive by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Apple makes loads of profit per unit, if they wanted to lower their prices, they could do that already. They're not interested in those users, because those users aren't going to spend big bucks on apps or media.

      If Apple wants to be more environmentally friendly, they should encourage repair. But they're not interested in that either, because they want to sell new units... at their typical high-profit prices.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  9. What about Foxconn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last time I checked, they still had nets installed below the windows because conditions are so horrid that you want to kill yourself. And they assemble all the Apple jewelry too.

    1. Re: What about Foxconn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my. Fan bois in apple jewelry? It would be quite a sight!

    2. Re:What about Foxconn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it sucks but there are so many people working there that there are suicides no matter what. I buy that argument though I hate the alienation of a taylorized existence, no freedom no small talk etc.
      Something similar are fences on some bridges, even though nobody is working there.

  10. You're not as smart as crows, are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because even they understand how it is forcing if there is no real other option.

    Apple is too big a part of the total business of those companies. They can "choose" to not oblige, and go bankrupt. Even you should have the residual empathy and comprehension, to get why that is not a choice.

    Not saying they aren't monsters, for ruining the planet we need to survive (which is indirect aiding of mass-genocide), and for abusing the workers, by the way.

    1. Re:You're not as smart as crows, are you? by SirAstral · · Score: 1

      This is why monopolies are bad for the economy.

      Monolithic stagnation. Even if they actually do go green it still stifles viable competition from finding even greener methods to make things.

      Look at the automotive industry for instance... Vehicles could be modular by now along with so many other things even housing. The problem is that our economic models are not friendly to this, and neither are regulations either. The motor heads of the world have long proven then the Auto Industry is wasteful to the extreme AND that is is good business right now to be that way.

  11. Good corporate citizen? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

    Apple is still "keen to show it's a good corporate citizen," reports the Australian Financial Review:

    Apple's a good example of corporatism, because they literally invented a tax dodging system whose name sounds like one of those made-up degrading sex acts. ("Double Irish With A Dutch Sandwich" sounds like you take two shots of whiskey, then slap two prostitutes with your penis at the same time.) But they're not a good example of being a good citizen, for the same reason.

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    1. Re:Good corporate citizen? by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Apple is still "keen to show it's a good corporate citizen," reports the Australian Financial Review:

      Apple's a good example of corporatism, because they literally invented a tax dodging system whose name sounds like one of those made-up degrading sex acts. ("Double Irish With A Dutch Sandwich" sounds like you take two shots of whiskey, then slap two prostitutes with your penis at the same time.) But they're not a good example of being a good citizen, for the same reason.

      The EU forced Ireland to shut the 'Double Irish' down in 2015 and they are now kicking the Irish in the nuts over the newer variants of it. Some of those have been shut down as well. The 'Dutch Sandwich' scheme was invented by Joop Wijn, dutch State Secretary of Economic Affairs, with the diligent help from a battalion of US corporate tax lawyers in 2003 (meaning that he was basically just the enabler aka. useful idiot). The EU is currently nut kicking the Dutch in order to get this loophole closed as well. It's also worth keeping in mind that Apple is not the only user of these schemes by a long shot. Practically every US multinational that does business in the EU dodges taxes through Holland, Ireland, Luxembourg and the UK among others with is why the UK Brexiting along with it's various tax haven territories would actually not be such an unwelcome thing to many other EU countries.

    2. Re:Good corporate citizen? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's also worth keeping in mind that Apple is not the only user of these schemes by a long shot.

      There's no shortage of sleazebags out there, but they are widely credited with inventing this scheme.

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  12. Tim Apple at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the garden. He likes to watch TV.

    1. Re: Tim Apple at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV in the garden? How can he even tell the difference between giggling fan girls anymore with his focus so scattered? He is a caricature probably jumps up and down gleefully in unison with his chief garden officer when they find a blackberry

  13. Apple being green means money green by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple isn't saving the planet with glued in batteries, bad screen cables that require replacing the screen not just the cable, soldered in storage or keyboards that fail early. How about iPhone's they have their own set on non upgradable or repairable issues. Apple's only green dedication is taking more green money from stupid Apple fans.

    1. Re:Apple being green means money green by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's the Microsoft Surface Book that got a 0/10 absolutely irreparable score on iFixit. Apple stuff is very similar of course but someone still managed to do worse.

  14. Going Green, is same as Organic by SirAstral · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just marketing words to make uninformed people feel better.

    Everything costs to make and making things out of "green" things is not automatically greener. I had the same complaint about Incandescent vs LED bulbs. What is involved in each one? Most people just talk about the run time. Check out the worlds longest burning bulb.
    https://www.popularmechanics.c...

    LED's are made of plastic and plastic is a hydrocarbon, and they break down and expire and will go into land fills too. Most of them are engineered to only barely meet the very weak regulatory requirements to be energy efficient. Apple is no more green or honest than De Beers and blood diamonds.

    The only objective with announcements like this are to win brownie points and nothing else. Apple can require whatever they want, their suppliers will just put on enough of a facade to look green so Apple can say they are green because there is a shiny new badge saying its green... green or not. Kinda like how Monsanto keeps staying in business under different names despite the destruction they have wrought aided entirely by regulatory agencies that claim to be there to protect us.

    Any yes, people are dumb enough to believe it, you can most definitely fool most of the people most of the time. If you use the internet and do not see that one basic truth then you are part of that unfortunate majority.

    1. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want us to check out a bulb that has no particular general usage?

      If I want a nightlight, I'll pick up an electroluminescent one that uses even less power.

    2. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Informative

      What is involved in each one? Most people just talk about the run time. Check out the worlds longest burning bulb.
      https://www.popularmechanics.c...

      LED's are made of plastic and plastic is a hydrocarbon, and they break down and expire and will go into land fills too. Most of them are engineered to only barely meet the very weak regulatory requirements to be energy efficient.

      Wtf? You can't be serious with this shit ....

      The LED bulbs I have in my home right now literally use 1/10th the electricity of an equivalent incandescent bulb. That's not "barely energy efficient", that's an order of magnitude more efficient. They also last a hell of a lot longer. So far I've gotten 3 years out of them and lost 1. In that time period I would have replaced a minimum of 27 incandescent bulbs. Probably more.

      Lastly your "world's longest burning bulb" has lasted as long as it has because the filament is ridiculously thick. Which makes it even LESS efficient than a standard incandescent bulb. The damn thing is basically a resistance heater which happens to produce some light. If you think that this is in any way more "green" than modern LED bulbs, you've been smoking a bit too much green yourself ...

    3. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So.....*you* cant be serious. Take the Prius car for example. It doesn't become 'green' until almost 80,000 miles on the odometer, because that is when the resources used to manufacture it hit the neutral mark, and *then* and only then is it beginning to 'save energy'.
      So my fucking 1991 Chevy 350 cubic inch V8 truck is fucking 'greener' than a new motherfucking Prius.
      Duh.

    4. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by SirAstral · · Score: 0

      You seem to have missed the point of my post.

      You do realize that the efficiency of the end product is not the ONLY important factor here right? Materials have energy costs themselves. Are you factoring the cost to mine those hydrocarbons? How about the cost to fabricate them? You are just one individual, some folks have really bad experiences with LEDs not performing as expected and so those actually increase the energy and waste required to have more efficient bulbs. How about the damage done to the environment of metal and class incandescent bulbs vs plastic hydrocarbon LEDs? I do see the articles talking about how much chemical waste is now in the environment from these things, are you not concerned about that if you can just get something more efficient?

      We need to know the true cost to make these claims. If I have to expend 10 times the energy and waste risk just to gain even a several fold increase in efficiency... it is possible we are still not actually saving anything. But we are isolated from that information because finding out the true cost is not so easy.

      Take the growing corn for ethanol, it looks like that actually had a negative offset in the end. Wasting energy just to win an efficiency race is a bad idea.

    5. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      You are just one individual, some folks have really bad experiences with LEDs not performing as expected and so those actually increase the energy and waste required to have more efficient bulbs.

      That sounds like a load of utter bullshit. I tried to a quick google to see if anything like that could be found, and I came up empty.

      Do you have a source for that claim? Because switching to LEDs was one of the most awesome things I've done in my house, and I find it rather hard to believe your claim. Everyone I know who has done it has had a similar experience.

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    6. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Yeah he's full of shit. I went traveling around some third world countries recently, and one of the things that struck me is that several rather poor countries I visited have essentially eliminated incandescent bulbs in favour of LEDs.

      We are talking about places where the average person makes 10% or less of what the average american makes. Places where an LED bulb costs between 2 and 5 hours wages at the average salary, yet I didn't see a single incandescent bulb the entire time I was there. Why? Because the energy savings are high enough that even when you have to work 5 hours to buy a single bulb, you would have to be brain dead not to do it.

    7. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by SirAstral · · Score: 1

      "That sounds like a load of utter bullshit."

      https://www.photonics.com/Arti...
      https://www.eenewseurope.com/n...
      https://www.ledsmagazine.com/a...

      I guess your "confirmation bias" switch is set to the on position?

      That or you did not even bother to check or just assumed that none existed, which is typical of an ignorant person.

      If facts will not change your mind how do you expect to become informed? the LED component itself is not the only thing that can fail.

      I have personally had 25% of my LED lights fail far too soon, from 4 different mfg's in 3 locations, but my information is purely anecdotal, just like yours is.

    8. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by SirAstral · · Score: 1

      Yes, we can all make up stories as well.

      But that is still a straw-man argument. The problem NOT just about how long a bulb runs and how much energy it saves operating for the end consumer only. Once again, since you seem to be too thick to understand. There is a cost to the materials those LED's need. Do those "technically" offset the cost of the energy & waste we have to consider? Or are you okay with destroying the environment just to shave a few pennies off your home lighting bill?

      I am not against LED's I still buy them myself, but no one here knows the full costs of these things, and I would like to know that because hanging up my hat and accepting what is being said when my experience with LED's has NOT been reflective of what the MFG packages say I can expected from their bulbs!

      https://www.thesimpledollar.co...

      Look at the article. They had to show cost savings over 23 years to see a large number. Do you know what they call this? Statistical Padding, where things are done to improve statistical numbers despite them not really being of help to the whole team wining.

      Because LED lights cost more to make, tolerance for failures is lower. And bulbs are not always on so the failure rates of those that turn bulbs on/off at higher frequencies may also be an issue.

    9. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Yes, we can all make up stories as well.

      Yes, you've certainly demonstrated that.

      Look at the article. They had to show cost savings over 23 years to see a large number.

      That article is talking about a $162 saving, dimbulb. Given that you can now get decent LED bulbs for just about $2, that's something like an 80,000% ROI.

      You're getting your panties in a bunch over the 23 year all-inclusive projection, but they fucking give you a breakdown right above that, so you can do your own math. Energy cost difference alone:

      $180-$30 = $150
      $150 / 23 = $6.50 per year per bulb

      So the electricity savings alone over the course of one year are enough to generate about a 200% ROI. You've literally linked to an article which shows that you are completely full of shit, as a way of trying to prove that you're right.

    10. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Take the Prius car for example. It doesn't become 'green' until almost 80,000 miles on the odometer, because that is when the resources used to manufacture it hit the neutral mark, and *then* and only then is it beginning to 'save energy'.
      So my fucking 1991 Chevy 350 cubic inch V8 truck is fucking 'greener' than a new motherfucking Prius.

      Your fucking 1991 Chevy with a 350 is not fucking greener than a Prius. That Prius will still be going down the road long after your POS has disintegrated, because American car companies couldn't make a decent vehicle in the nineties. The average age of the US fleet is increasing year upon year, so the runtime after payback of energy investment is also increasing, making the initial energy cost of production less and less relevant.

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    11. Re: Going Green, is same as Organic by willy_me · · Score: 3, Informative

      LEDs must be used in modern light fixtures that have improved cooling. Older light fixtures were designed for incandescent bulbs and were often sealed with no air flow. This is fine for incandescent bulbs which can handle very high temperatures. But LED bulbs, despite generating less heat, will run too hot and incur a limited lifespan.

      So if one is upgrading to LED lights, be certain to check each fixture and change those that do not facilitate cooling of the LED bulb. If you do not, the LED lights will die early. FYI, compact florescent bulbs have the exact same problem.

    12. Re:Going Green, is same as Organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That bulb is lasting forever because the filament is extremely heavy and it runs at a lower temperature than modern bulbs. Lower temp on an incandescent means lower efficiency since they're black body emitters. That bulb is a glorified resistor that just so happens to be somewhat luminous.
      You can get modern incandescents with heavier filament, by the way. They're sold as "rough service" bulbs and usually specify 130V for their rated wattage. When run at 120V they last for ages But they still won't last as long as a well designed LED bulb!

  15. Aww Android assholes are crying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are green with envy. And that is all the green they will ever be.

  16. Add another "Pro", and you got a ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... full PC. ;)

  17. Signs you might be insane by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Being angry at someone because he likes his laptop.

    1. Re:Signs you might be insane by tsa · · Score: 1

      Indeed. How low can you sink.

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  18. What do you think iDevices are? ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't get distracted by there accidentially being a computer in there. The client won't get any access to it. It is just used to implement a bunch of fixed-function bedazzling modules.

  19. Green energy. Yay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For sustainable planetary domination by humans.

  20. Going green on the consumption end doesn't help by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All it does is force other consumers to move away from using green energy (switch to fossil fuels), because you are now using the green energy they used to use. e.g. Everyone used to use 20% green energy, 80% fossil fuels. Some company decides to buy up all 20% green energy for its own use so it can claim its energy consumption is 100% green. That forces everyone else to use 100% fossil fuel energy. And the net result is... 20% green energy, 80% fossil fuels - exactly the same as before this pointless gesture.

    To truly increase the fraction of energy derived from green sources, you have to change the supply end of power generation. That means adding new green power sources, and shutting down fossil fuel plants.

    1. Re:Going green on the consumption end doesn't help by tsa · · Score: 0

      They don't buy green energy. They produce their own. This makes them independent from whatever idiot is currently in power or controlling the energy flow.

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    2. Re:Going green on the consumption end doesn't help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know how you, as a consumer, can effect the supply of goods? By buying those goods.

      If I run an energy market, and some customers only want "green" energy, I can charge them more for it than black energy. If nobody wants the black energy it's worthless.

      If I am looking to build a power plant, and I can get a better return on investment if it's green than black, then I'll build a green one.

      In the absence of government regulation forcing people to pay for the externalities of their business, consumer demand is the second best way to force amoral entities to act for the benefit of all.

  21. It's "Luxemburg" by the way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm from Luxemburg. The "ou" spelling is the French one. Our government loves French. But our language is of Germanic origin. Just like yours. So the officials write "Luxembourg", but every sane person here writes " Luxemburg" for germanic languages.
    Oh, and in out own language it's "Letzebuerg" with two dots above the first "e", and it's not possible to write the pronounciation down in English.

  22. Did we forget Foxconn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Going Green' from a company that has Foxconn as a working partner.

    You do remember Foxconn, the company that thinks the solution to 'employees' committing suicide by leaping out windows is to install catch nets underneath said windows.

    I think Apple has a bigger problem that suppliers that are not 'Green.'

  23. child labor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But will they require their suppliers to also respect human rights and reasonable labor standards?

    1. Re:child labor by shilly · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes.

      And you can read about it in the very same report.

      https://www.apple.com/supplier...

    2. Re: child labor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoah there! You want me to read the report? Pfffft!

    3. Re: child labor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people call it a report. Its really just apple lies and propaganda.

  24. How does Apple ignore e-waste? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    E-waste is a real thing, but they completely ignore this

    How on earth can you claim this?

    Not only does Apple accept every product for free for recycling or resale (they will give you some credit if they can sell it again), Apple also carefully recycles each item themselves to extract as much material as possible.

    In fact Apple has gone so far (in a keynote last year) as to say a stated goal is to eliminate the need for raw materials, and get all of the material they need for new devices from recycled ones!

    Apple is the model for how all companies should behave with regards to e-waste.

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    1. Re:How does Apple ignore e-waste? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How on earth can you claim this?

      Not only does Apple accept every product for free for recycling or resale (they will give you some credit if they can sell it again), Apple also carefully recycles each item themselves to extract as much material as possible.

      In fact Apple has gone so far (in a keynote last year) as to say a stated goal is to eliminate the need for raw materials, and get all of the material they need for new devices from recycled ones!

      Apple is the model for how all companies should behave with regards to e-waste.

      How on Earth can you claim this?

      To start with, that's great that Apple will accept old Apple devices.... just have to hope you live near an Apple store. And since most don't, they will take the easy approach and discard it. People are lazy by default and will take the easy approach, not the correct approach.

      And Apple doesn't do recycling, they send it off to a third party recycler. As from the Apple website:

      we’ll send it to our recycling partner

      https://www.apple.com/shop/trade-in

      Now, the thing with recycling is, it uses a lot of energy and in many situations, its worse then not recycling (http://news.mit.edu/2011/remanufacturing-0516). Its also why it's the last of the 3 R's (Reduce, Reuse, Recycle). Since Apple loves to glue everything together and fight tooth and nail against 3rd party repairs, they are trying to prevent the Reuse and go straight for the less green option of recycling. And as the OP article shows, they have no interest in making their 3rd party recycler be more green, just suppliers.

      Also, all the glue makes much of the recyclable material become contaminated (which is a huge problem already without Apple encouraging it). This makes it harder to recycle what is recyclable.

      Most other companies allow you to repair their devices and reuse their components (not all though), no tons of glue and T2 lock out chips to prevent you from repairing your own devices, or even having Apple telling you it's no longer something they wish to repair, buy a new one. It is those companies that are the model for how all companies should behave with regards to e-waste.

    2. Re:How does Apple ignore e-waste? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how you try to spin it, it would still be a whole lot better if people wouldn't be compelled to change their phones every time their contract was up for renewal.

      I don't know exactly how old it is, but I'm writing this on a laptop that originally came with XP. Pretty happy with Linux on it.

  25. Of course apple is . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What else could you expect from such a hypocritical company.

  26. doesn't make up apple shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tossing imacs with completely functional screens because the computer is out of date.we do that a lot at work. good pc screens can last 10 years and even if you think the colours are getting suspect they can be used by the admin staff.

    add to this non upgradability and FUCKING RIDICULOUS PRICES FOR UPGRADES from the base cost for what you might/will need in about 4 years time makes this even more prevalent.

    and then stop supporting your computer with OS upgrades.

    i work at a university and have to deal with this shit at a grand scale.

    fuck apple.

  27. Funny, as they are into planned obsolescence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and make lots of money by preventing people from repairing or upgrading their phones. More bullshit feel-good pretenses to appear as an environmentally responsible company.

  28. LOL what about management? by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Betcha the higher ups at (Cr)apple still drive/ride in limos, SUV's, take private jet trips, live in huge McMansions. Do as I say, not as I do.

  29. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's going to force its suppliers to spend millions virtual signaling and pollute twice as much in the process!

  30. Re:This is why I recently switched from Android to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so you read guidelines for a green company from the mi6, i mean green peace

    good goy! high five!

  31. ...But Keeps Demand Strong for Plastic Phone Cases by hawridger · · Score: 1

    If Apple was so concerned about what plastic is doing to the environment, perhaps it should make a phone that isn’t made of glass doesn’t require a thick plastic case for the vast majority of users. Apple has singlehandedly created and continues to fuel a massive market of third-party iPhone case makers, many of whom have much lower environmental standards and concerns that Apple alleges to possess. Apple’s self-righteous claims as a green company are overshadowed by the mess that it creates to support its ill-conceived product design.