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QuadrigaCX Allegedly Traded Against Its Own Customers Without Assets To Back Them (ambcrypto.com)

geoskd writes: QuadrigaCX, the Canadian crypto exchange that made news recently with the passing of its CEO, Gerald Cotten, has been alleged to have been buying cryptocurrency from traders on its platform without having actual assets to perform the transactions. The transactions showed credit to the customers accounts, but when the customer tried to withdraw cash, they had to wait until other customers deposited cash before the funds became available. There is also an accusation that this behavior exists at many other crypto exchanges as well. Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at Tether...

93 comments

  1. "Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by DogDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    No. Just stop. Really. Just stop.

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    I don't respond to AC's.
    1. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Penis!+8D · · Score: 0
    3. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Len · · Score: 2

      But I didn't lose all of my money to QuadrigaCX, so I need to know who can scam the rest off me.

    4. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really hope these stories *do* continue. I'd like to find one of these middlemen willing to violate as many financial laws as possible, so general education gets into the news cycle as to why investment regulations exist in the first place.

      In addition, it would be great if it covered how each of these violations is currently playing out nearly identically to the way it did at the time in history when/prompting enactment of these regulations. A few months of this and I think even the get-rich-quickers will understand the point.

    5. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The transactions showed credit to the customers accounts, but when the customer tried to withdraw cash, they had to wait until other customers deposited cash before the funds became available. There is also an accusation that this behavior exists at many other crypto exchanges as well.

      So you're saying they're just ordinary Ponzi schemes dressed up with fancy geekery? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

    6. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised no-one pointed out the obvious here: All banks work this way - they overleverage and loan out more money than they have reserve to cover. This is why a bank run is such a problem.

      So what we're saying here is "this company isn't a bank, so this is illegal"...which is basically no crime at all except in name. They weren't bribing the right people.

    7. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except your money in a bank account is protected by the CDIC (if you're in Canada, or the FDIC if you're in the US), and there are all sorts of regulations to make sure that banks have enough money on hand to cover withdrawals under normal circumstances.

    8. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly this! Many of the banking regulations were put into place in the wake of a disastrous series of bank failures during the depression. These include the FDIC and minimum reserve requirements. the depression era failures are where we get the stereotype of grandma or grandpa stuffing their money in the mattress.

      Crypto currencies bypass those regulations, so it should be no surprise that some "bank like" institutions dealing in crypto currencies are no safer than the pre-regulation banks.

      This SHOULD serve as a warning to the deregulate all the things crowd, but I doubt very much it will sink in.

    9. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regulation DOES NOT MEAN SHIT AFTER THE FACT, FUNDS GONE, you dumbass.

      It is YOUR problem for STUPIDLY lodging and keeping your money in UTTERLY NON TRANSPARENT ENTITIES, you fucking fools.

      If YOU can't walk into an entity and SEE THEIR PROOF, or see it vouched for by a TOP TIER WORLD CLASS INDEPENDANT AUDITING FIRM, then ALL RISK IS YOURS, you stupid imbeciles.

      All that regulation is is a useless layer of bitch, REGULAR PROPER AUDITING PUBLISHED, open board and executive and tours, are FAR BETTER than any government baloney.

      Stop relying on government teat, use your own mind and demand public audits.
      And insurance.

    10. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government is only there to mop up what little remains after, not to protect beforehand.
      It's your fault for not demanding open business and open audits and insurance options before giving them your funds.
      It's your fault for keeping your wealth on exchanges instead of taking your keys home or to independant cold or vault custody providers.
      The Voluntaryists Libertarians Cypherpunks and AnCaps told you all of the above from day one, but you refused to listen.
      It's your fault.
      Next time, listen.

    11. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.

      All these "stablecoins", well they *might* be stable, assuming they're actually backed like their ShillCorps claim, and which a few of them have already proven not to be.
      But even more fundamentally, they are completely centralized and you have ZERO control over any funds you keep in them, they own your ass. You and your money are nothing but an off-switch or bankruptcy away. That's fucking scary!!!

      That's why I only trust good distributed P2P Transaction Mineable coins like BTC BCH LTC ETH ZEC XMR and whatever long term decentralized contenders are coming in the future, because I know they will survive for at least as long as the internet remains largely free and open, which is far longer than whatever whim these Corporate, Bank, and Government coins decide to abuse you with.

      You see now why they're trying to shutdown, balkanize, gatekeep, surveill, filter, report and restrict the Internet in every country in the world don't you???
      It ain't because of "terrists" "pedos" "drugs" "guns"... that's just tiny bit of FUD in the big picture.
      It's because for the first time in history since the Magna Carta, you're all starting to wake up and seek true independance and freedom.
      And that's a serious threat to them.

      Never stop waking up.

    12. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by stinerman · · Score: 1

      Obviously this is not the case because the AC spoke of bank runs being "such a problem". I don't know about you but every few weeks we have a bank run in my town, which is why I keep all of my money under my mattress.

      Sometimes I think that we're being inundated with people from the 1920s every time a cryptocurrency story appears.

    13. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised no-one pointed out the obvious here: All banks work this way - they overleverage and loan out more money than they have reserve to cover. This is why a bank run is such a problem.

      No, no legitimate banks work this way. They do "overleverage" and loan out more money than they have in their cash reserve to cover withdrawals, because that's how they earn the interest that they pay customers for their deposits! Most bank loans and investments are illiquid -- you cannot simply call in the loan or sell the investment immediately on demand -- and the bank's cash reserve is only on the order of 5% of deposits based upon long-time historical analysis of deposit holdings versus withdrawal rates.

      But the bank loans and investments are subject to quality reviews and standards imposed by Federally chartered entities (FDIC/Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac), state regulations, and private ensurers. They are almost always legitimate debts with predictable replayment flows and solvency. This is why the mortgage meltdown set the financial world and people are incensed that there have been minimal criminal proceedings (although the civil settlements against mortgage originators have been huge).

      The cryptocurrency exchanges aren't making legitimate loans. They are treating their deposits as a piggy bank at best, and raiding them for hookers and blow at the worst. Graft, corruption, and self-dealing are not "overleveraging," and you should be ashamed to have equated the two.

    14. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Crypto currencies bypass those regulations, so it should be no surprise that some "bank like" institutions dealing in crypto currencies are no safer than the pre-regulation banks.

      People never seem to understand that cryptocurrency is a completely unregulated financial market.

      You have zero legal protections, because this is what you thought was a feature.

      These exchanges aren't even remotely bank like. I liken it more to having someone hold on to a large pile of your cash without a receipt and without legal protections -- you might get your money back, but if you don't, don't go around acting all surprised. And don't whine that you have no recourse because you chose to participate in an unregulated financial market.

      I find myself reading that summary and thinking "Oh, gee, a cryptocurrency exchange is little more than a ponzi scheme".

      I'm past being concerned about the plight of people who handed their money to something which most assuredly isn't a bank. Bummer dude, but you might as well give your keys to a homeless guy and ask him to park your car.

      I find little about the official account of this exchange to be credible, because it sounds like it was shady from the beginning.

    15. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      A bank takes the money you deposit puts a portion of it in the vault (where it will be drawn upon to cover withdrawals) and loans the rest to people with colateral worth more than the loan. Those loans earn interest for the bank and a portion of that goes to paying the interest on your deposit, the rest of the interst pays the bank's operating costs and dividends for the shareholders, etc.

      Across the entire bank, they have enough in the vault that they will be able to process any customer no matter how big withdrawing their entire account at any time, and enough that they will have no trouble with normal withdrawal rates across their entire customer base (they also have govenment indurance for the case where more customers than they can handle withdrawal their money at once).

      This, is more like the take a penny leave a penny dish. You put your penny in and whether or not there's a penny there later depends entirely on who's been taking/leaving pennies. Also the cashier pockets pennies whenever they feel like it.

    16. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by sjames · · Score: 1

      It certainly does seem shady. I agree it reads more like a Ponzi scheme.

    17. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by myfacelaunchd50ships · · Score: 0

      Yes. Buying crypto currency is like buying stock. There is no guarantee you will get your money back. So what's the problem?

    18. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no guarantee you will get your money back. So what's the problem?

      With crypto there is no guarantee you will even get the thing you allegedly paid for. Stocks are actually regulated, stocks have a legal meaning, and if you purchase some and the issuer refuses to recognize the transaction, you can go to court to resolve the problem. With currencies that are "mined" via cryptographic calculations, there is no issuer, there is no institution that is answerable to the law. All transactions are potential scams.

    19. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by sjames · · Score: 1

      In this case, there's no guarantee you will actually be issued the stock, and if you sell it back, no guarantee that the dollar balance in your account can ever actually be withdrawn.

      Meanwhile, they do their best to project a bank-like image.

    20. Re:"Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, that was a good laugh. Keep it up.

  2. Crypto is MLM by mabu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It amazes me that this Ponzi scheme is still ongoing. There's ample evidence of wash trading at all the major exchanges.

    One of my favorite quotes on this is from the NYU economics professor who was famous for identifying the housing bubble, who also called out the crypto currency bubble in 2017, is asked again what he thinks of the crypto movement:

    "I also have attended many of these crypto or blockchain conferences. I met some of these individuals, and I must say I’ve never seen in my life people who on one side are so arrogant in their views, who are total zealots and fanatics about this new asset class, while at the same time completely and totally ignorant of basic economics, finance, money, banking, central banking, monetary policy.

    They want to reinvent everything about money, but most of them are absolutely totally clueless. The ratio between arrogant and ignorant is astounding — I have never seen such a gap in my life. These are fanatics. Some of them, like criminals, zealots, scammers, carnival barkers, insiders who are just talking their book 24/7.

    There is an element of excess in every bubble, but the typical bubble is an outgrowth of some technological evolution that maybe changes the world for the better. The internet was in a bubble in the late 1990s, but it was a real thing but valuations of many internet-related stocks were sky-high. Prices crashed and dot-coms went bust, but the internet kept on growing. Billions of people used it, and it has changed the world. Cryptocurrency as a technology has absolutely no basis for success, and the mother of all bubbles is now bust.

    Twitter and in-person interactions with the fans of cryptocurrencies made me stronger and more secure in my belief."

    1. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What amazes me is how lauded and defended cryptocurrency was here on slashdot- until it wasn't. This matches a pattern which happened to DevOps, "always agile", and other fads.

      The same people use the same passion and some of the same arguments for both Tesla and SpaceX. Therefore, expect both to fail, fitting the pattern.

    2. Re:Crypto is MLM by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      It works pretty well on the Dream Market.

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      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    3. Re:Crypto is MLM by mabu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, in fairness, the early days of crypto currency treated crypto currency like an actual currency: having zero intrinsic value and mainly being a placeholder for goods and services that were exchanged. In fact the original premise of Bitcoin was as a micro-payment system of nominal value, allowing people to send tiny bits of pennies, that in aggregate would matter to third world countries and various charities, etc.

      What we see now, is something completely different: the treatment of crypto as an investment security itself, which makes absolutely no sense because it has nothing tangible backing it up.

      So the problem isn't with bitcoin as much as the perverse way people have now begun to use it, which is fundamentally different than how it was originally designed.

      Now bitcoin (and all crypto) is basically a distributed money laundering system with a Ponzi scheme on top. There is no reason for anybody to be in this space unless they're a criminal, or want to engage in criminal-like behavior (such as profiting by exploiting others and not offering anything of real value in return).

      Crypto and blockchain offer nothing to regular, ethical businesspeople. But they're like catnip to anarchists and narcissists.

    4. Re:Crypto is MLM by Luthair · · Score: 1

      It wasn't, the shills were simply out in force. Cryptocurrencies were the biggest pump and dump of all time.

    5. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I have put every bitcoin I ever owned into the Creimer Crypto Exchange. I was promised a huge load in return.

    6. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the actual fuck are you talking about?
      Can you provide references to anybody on /. defending cryptocurrency? We have laughed about it and made fun of it from the beginning.

    7. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CROFLOL! Typical creimer's trick! I bet you he never specified and let you know you a huge load of what you would get in return!

      Sad for you man. I feel deeply sorry for yourself and that's why creimer needs to be stopped.

    8. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The AC doesn't have to. The arguments of the post are so agile.

    9. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are excited because for the first time since Fiat history, something new in the financial world has finally come about. They clearly see and realize this. It's obvious to them because they have an open mind that questions and created the world around them instead of Football, Beer, Microsoft, Apple, Gmail, whatever political party, and TV News. These are highly intelligent people who are a decade ahead of the curve. And they are bringing cryptocurrency to you, for you. It is a gift, an oppurtunity. Advancements like this are rare. Set aside everything you know and have been taught, free your mind and spend a month understanding what they are saying from their point of view.

    10. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      This is FALSE.

      The investment side IS backed up by the fixed issuance quantity absorbing whatever portfolio allocation the worlds investing and saving populace decides to put into it over time. Even at a measly 10% allocation of all cash, gold, savings, you're looking at $1M coin. Start digitizing even just 10% of stock, commodity, real estate and derivatives markets and yeah, $100M is no problem. From $0 10 years ago, to $100M 10-20 years from now. That's your return. And it WILL happen because investors and people want it... they want the digital convenience, the privacy, the sub-hour worldwide settlement, the contracts, the witnessing, etc, and the freedom.

      Once the investment side reaches global portfolio comfort allocation, and forex equilibrium, the growth phase slows towards that point, while the underlying transaction and cash aspect that has been running and growing since day zero just continues on level from that point thereafter.

      It's really quite simple and amazing how such vast swaths of people fail to grasp it.
      Once they all wake up in about 3-5 years and things start to really click... holy shit you better be strapped in that rocketship because the force launching you will be hella strong.

    11. Re: Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're really blue sky synergising outside the box.

    12. Re: Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roll up, roll up. See the bearded lady.

    13. Re: Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roll up! Roll up! Roll up! See the show!

    14. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I’ve never seen in my life people who on one side are so arrogant in their views, who are total zealots and fanatics about this new asset class, while at the same time completely and totally ignorant of basic economics, finance, money, banking, central banking, monetary policy.

      So I take it he hasn't spent much time with Congresspeople.

    15. Re:Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell if this is a parody or the real thing.

    16. Re:Crypto is MLM by Cederic · · Score: 1

      So look, I decided to give myself a challenge and select no more than one comment from any Slashdot story.

      https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
      https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
      https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
      https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
      https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
      https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
      https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
      https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

      I could go further (by looking further back in time) but I think the point is made.

    17. Re:Crypto is MLM by myfacelaunchd50ships · · Score: 0

      Bitcoin could not be a Ponzi scheme because 80% of the early adopters' bitcoin hasn't moved in years. It would have been pretty dumb for these "Ponzi creators" to leave $2 billion on the table just when their scheme was paying off as bitcoin hit $20,000. LOL

    18. Re:Crypto is MLM by myfacelaunchd50ships · · Score: 0

      Why bitcoin changed was because it was discovered to have uses beyond its original intent much like the Internet which was supposed to be just for email and watching porno. Once we found out the blockchain could be used as a general purpose trust anchor for smart contracts in commercial applications having nothing to do with bitcoin or currency, the smart Wall Street money got interested as they visualized all the worlds business paying small bitcoin fees to record proofs of their ordinary business transactions. This seems to be happening as private permission-based blockchains like Factum with weak security post hash proofs on the bitcoin chain for each of their blocks as security back-up.

    19. Re:Crypto is MLM by myfacelaunchd50ships · · Score: 0

      What people mostly miss is the intrinsic value of the hash power that protects blockchain transactions which is worth about $10 billion. Although the hashing hardware is owned by miners, buying bitcoin gives the owner the right to use the hashing equipment for cheap guaranteed money transfers or to purchase trust by recording transactions on the chain. Although green zealots complain about bitcoin's power consumption at .3% of world power it is a small price to pay for the great cultural achievement of providing automated trust, where for the first time in history one's trust can be placed in a machine rather than a human or human organization.

    20. Re: Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $100m a coin LOL. Just when you thought claims couldn't get any dumber. Total worldwide assets are estimated around $240trillion. That's everything. $100m/coin yields $2000trillion.

    21. Re: Crypto is MLM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't stop at one month you amateur. Spend several months, to realize how much of it is nonsense. If you're still gobbling every promise up, you need to study more.

  3. Let's see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Possibly this is some kind of training issue. Given there have been no issues here, I don't think it's unreasonable.

  4. Cryptocurrency value for money by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm beginning to think that cryptocurrency is some of the best value you can get for your money. At least in terms of entertainment for the people who didn't invest in any of it. Maybe it will all eventually settle down and turn into a respectable currency, but right now you can't find a bigger shit show anywhere and it's utterly engrossing. We should at least require that all cryptocurrency algorithms do something useful like protein folding so that at least some good comes out of all of this idiocy.

    1. Re: Cryptocurrency value for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should assume anyone using this crap is a criminal or dumb until proven otherwise.

    2. Re:Cryptocurrency value for money by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It's a great object lesson for people who think that government financial regulation is bad, such as most of the bitcoin evangelists. Of course, the lesson seems to be utterly lost. As you say, entertaining though.

      Seriously though, if you were twenty something, fresh out of college, running your first business nearly solo from your basement, and a bunch of idiots gave you hundreds of millions of dollars, would you not steal them?

    3. Re:Cryptocurrency value for money by Required+Snark · · Score: 1
      Although cryptocurrency is an endless source of amusement for those who enjoy watching avarice, gross stupidity and morons getting fleeced, in the overall scheme of things it can't hold a candle compared to Congress.

      Schadenfreude trade offs of cryptocurrency vs Congress:

      Cryptocurrency isn't completely free entertainment because one way or another the public ends up paying for the scams. But for how much it costs you personally it's a bargain.

      Congress has Hiking the Appalachian Trail, revelations about paying off porn stars, the head of the EPA spending $43K on a phone booth, overt racism, endless sexual misconduct, etc, as well as all the cryptocurrency kerfuffle. Unfortunately, Congress is really expensive, and when they get it wrong it has a huge impact on your personal life, and the lives of everyone else in the world and generations yet unborn.

      So Congress, as much fun as it is, does not provide the same bang for the buck because it's so damned terrifying.

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      Why is Snark Required?
    4. Re:Cryptocurrency value for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This actually exists. It's called gridcoin.
      https://www.gridcoin.us/

      Wish more people were using it.

    5. Re:Cryptocurrency value for money by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I'm beginning to think that cryptocurrency is some of the best value you can get for your money.

      Congresspeople are the best value you can get for your money. Cryptocurrency is a distinct second.

    6. Re:Cryptocurrency value for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the investment world, this is perfectly normal behaviour for a new independant asset class or commodity entering the free market from zero. Some similar examples... carbon credits, solar, marijuana, tesla, vix, inverts, etc. Early investing days for private investors, accrediteds, IPOs, are always crazy times.
      90+% of you are not private accredited capital investors.
      You're retail buying shit like the SPY and NIKE and some crap your broker reccommends.
      While watching public crypto news as if it's one of them, it's not.
      If you had experience, you would be offering rational insight into and explanation of these markets, instead of bashing them like a Bankster Govt FUD machine.
      So just gtfo mate.

    7. Re:Cryptocurrency value for money by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      We should at least require that all cryptocurrency algorithms do something useful like protein folding

      When I first read about Bitcoin (on here, no doubt), I initially misunderstood its premise and thought it was backed by processing power (i.e. we'd be buying and selling units of "computing time"). I quickly realized that this wouldn't work - it would be deflationary - but it didn't sound so silly after I found out what BC was actually backed by

    8. Re:Cryptocurrency value for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm beginning to think that cryptocurrency is some of the best value you can get for your money. At least in terms of entertainment for the people who didn't invest in any of it.

      LOL, yeah, it's cost me zero dollars to not give a damn about cryptocurrency, but I have endless source of amusement where I can laugh at people who hand strangers their money with no legal recourse in the event someone steals it.

      At this point, do you trust cryptocurrency exchanges more than your neighborhood crack dealer? If so, why?

      People have this crazy optimistic view on these things, and yet we keep seeing reasons not to be optimistic.

      There is no overlap between these things and actual banking, but all of the proponents like to say how awesome it is that it's not regulated.

      OK, well, enjoy losing your money.

  5. Cardpool does the same thing by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

    If you try to sell a gift card to Cardpool for Amazon credit when they're all out of Amazon gift cards, they will delay processing your order for an eternity (most likely, due to waiting for people to sell them some unwanted Amazon gift cards).

    The internet is full of shady dealings.

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    DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
    1. Re:Cardpool does the same thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're probably not reading the EULA to know that you agreed to that, lol. Stooooopid!

    2. Re:Cardpool does the same thing by Solandri · · Score: 1

      If you try to sell a gift card to Cardpool for Amazon credit when they're all out of Amazon gift cards, they will delay processing your order for an eternity (most likely, due to waiting for people to sell them some unwanted Amazon gift cards).

      The usual way you solve that is to allow bidding, with the highest bidder getting the exchange first instead of the first person to enter a bid. That way if there's a shortage of Amazon gift cards, the excess bids for Amazon gift cards makes them more valuable, encouraging people who have Amazon gift cards to give them up.

      But that creates a free market, which apparently is taboo for some of the people running and participating in these exchanges. So they languish with queues and delays.

  6. Crypto Pyramid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The crypto pyramid scheme continues to take on more and more rats. Time to be regulated out of existence!

  7. i use creimercoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it lets me buy all the cookies i want

  8. No, not another "exchange" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unless its monitored and regulated by authorities. Otherwise, more fraud, abuse, etc etc

    1. Re:No, not another "exchange" by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. The "authorities" are awesome at regulation... Totally prevented the 2008 banking crisis. Oh wait....

    2. Re:No, not another "exchange" by gravewax · · Score: 1

      the 2008 banking crisis is a perfect example of what happens with lack of regulation, crypto currencies are like a permanent 2008 banking crisis.

    3. Re:No, not another "exchange" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And our border crisis is a perfect example of what happens with a lack of immigration regulation.

    4. Re:No, not another "exchange" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seriously? lowest illegal immgrants in decades with year on year decreases for a decade is a crisis?

    5. Re:No, not another "exchange" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No that is a morons crisis of a president who doesn't understand stats or simply refuses to accept the inconvenient truths they reveal. illegal immgration from Mexican border is at a 2 decade low.

    6. Re:No, not another "exchange" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      t. illegal Mexican

    7. Re:No, not another "exchange" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fake news

      there is no border crisis there shitnut

  9. Tether is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last proof of funds update there is from July 2018. Shameless plug?

    1. Re:Tether is a joke by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I thought the point was that people should look at their finances because it might also be a scam.

  10. Great Risk of More Exchange Owners To Runaway!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cryptocurrency prices keep staying dead means, almost nobody keep buying & selling anymore!
    Meaning, cryptocurrency exchange owners, either, must declare bankruptcy (& lose everything), or, runaway w/ all customer money (sooner or later)!!!

    (Of course, instead of simply running-away, some other options could be, fake your own death (in many different ways), or, get "lost" @ sea or mountains etc :-)

  11. Tether is legit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They sit on the money in an interest bearing bank account, and keep the interest for themselves.

    I don't know why so many people find it hard to believe tether is legitimate, the business model is simple and profitable without any malicious action.

    1. Re:Tether is legit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      probably because of their lack of transparency, refusal to do proper professional audits of their claims and a lot of questionable behaviour by them.

  12. Re: "Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Deregulation and lack of oversight means the majority will get screwed over while a few might ... might just get rich. Everyone thinks they are one of the few, not realizing that if they haven't set the terms, written the rules, or done the time to build something, it's only a matter of time before they fall into the crosshairs of fate, criminals intent on finding out where they live, both, or far far worse.

    Greed turns everyone into naive little boys and girls. The more there is to gain, the more they thinks they have a sure thing going, the greedier they get. And it is in their fall that others others become truly rich.

    Thank everyone for buying into cryptocurrency! Their ruination will give rise to a better, greater world and be the better for it.

  13. Sales - Purchases - OpCosts = 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basic math says that no crypto currency exchange that is not also profitably mining can remain solvent.

    Exchanges and their egomaniac creators do not operate for free. The total hard currency that can go out to people selling crypto currency to an exchange can never be greater than the total hard currency generated by people buying currency from the exchange, because some of that incoming cash is going to be used to support operations. When the price of the crypto currency is rising, the available cash for currency sellers will always lag further and further behind. The people who make any of this possible are the "long term investors". Their cash is being used to make all the rest of this work and at some point, their cash cannot possibly be there when they want it to be unless the price of the crypto currency has fallen to well below their original purchase price and they are taking a loss.

  14. Re: "Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Except banks have minimal capital requirements that prevent a depositor from having to wait for their cash. So again there is a proven mechanism in the traditional financial market that these new currencies ignore. And yes bank runs and massive economic crises can overrun this protections but it also work millions of times a day.

  15. Fractional reserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this just the same as fractional reserve banking?

    We can't all get our deposits out of the banks at the same time.

    1. Re:Fractional reserve by jpaine619 · · Score: 3, Informative

      No. It's not the same. Your bank is earning interest on the money it loans out.. i.e. there is always some positive cash flow.. Well, assuming it's not 2008 and they aren't loaning gobs of money to assholes with a credit score of 400.

      These morons were buying coins with money they did not have. If your bank runs out of cash, they make a phone call and have more delivered via armored truck. Your bank can also sell assets or loans to generate cash. i.e. they can sell real property or debt obligations that are backed by real property.

      I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this. Gonna have to assume you're a product of our (USA) public school system and have never been taught financial responsibility and how the banking system actually works. Mostly this, probably, isn't your fault. Well, unless you're an adult.. Then you should have sought out the knowledge.. You can't be expected to be spoon fed every bit of information you need to navigate life.

      Fiscal education should be absolutely mandatory.. Knowing how to manage your money and how the whole damn system works is information that is critical to a person's financial well being and stability.

    2. Re:Fractional reserve by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      No. It's not the same. Your bank is earning interest on the money it loans out.

      So it's exactly the same. The bank expects to get the loan amount plus interest back whereas these guys expected to make money when the crypto rose in value. In either case, there is a risk that the bet will not pay off and the person making it will end up in trouble because they have lost the assets they need to repay the customer.

      The only difference is that banks are highly regulated and, as a result, have to keep the risk of the bets they make under control. In return they have a central, government infrastructure to provide emergency cash and loans plus usually deposit guarantees.

  16. Re:Great Risk of More Exchange Owners To Runaway!! by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

    What the hell is up with all of the unnecessary commas? They have a purpose. They aren't glitter that you sprinkle all over the fucking place.

  17. This is what's going on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All Fractional Reserve lending systems operate on the premise of replacing Cash with Checks, whereas each Check is both a debt that must be repaid and a piece of paper that spends the same as cash. You deposit $10k in the bank, bank hands a Check to Joe Schmoe in trade for car loan paperwork to go get a car, Schmoe buys a $10k Car, hands the check to the dealership and the Title to the bank, Dealership goes back to the bank and cashes the check. Bank writes an asset on the collaterol side of the books, and $10k as a deposit. They now have $20k in deposits and have effectively counterfeited the currency which is where your 2% annual inflation comes from. Ensuring the stability of the system in practice is an exercise in enabling the banks to sell loans to raise cash for withdrawls, and ensuring the the loans are backed with sound assets which all sounds great in theory, but in practice, is very risky which is a politicial minefield.

    Once you get to the point there's a 1:1 ratio of Checks to cash, interest on the checks locks you into a game of musical chairs for repayment; someone is going to lose repaying their loan because the bank doesn't spend all that interest it gets back in. As the ratio increases (M1, M2, M3 reports), you inflate the currency base and walk up asset prices to astronomical, unaffordable levels. Eventually you get to the point the velocity of capital on the debt is insufficient to pay the interest, and at that point you either bankrupt the banker and investor community to reduce the ratio, or you continue onward and upward, which has the effect of forcibly pushing risk into everything.

    Want to buy a house? What's the bet the title is bad and the title insurance company will cover it?
    Want to get a job? What's the bet you're going to make enough to procreate, much less live reasonably?
    Want to start a business? Want to invest in stocks? It goes on.

    Eventually risk starts "boiling" everywhere as price signalling breaks down (it gets replaced with artificial or speculative demand) and the risks get realized, then a cascade failures occur which eventually coalesce into an uncontrollable market crash. The business community tries to avoid this over and over again, futilly. All of that creates political turmoil; lots of work for politicians to try to smooth over the rough edges, none of which ever works because they are not managing the underlying problem.

    The latest way of making price signalling not break down is shoveling tons of checks into the crypto-currency oven. It's like a moth to flame for billionairs and is the reason we don't see all kinds of arrests. Fairly inexpensive way to keep the economy stable with the added benefit of doing some Tech R&D.

    1. Re: This is what's going on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except banks don't lend deposits. They create the money when they make a loan.

  18. Re: "Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot 'sheeple'.

  19. Re: Great Risk of More Exchange Owners To Runaway! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you. Best comment of the day :)

  20. Perhaps ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at Tether...

    No, perhaps it's time to take a fresh look at not using fake "currency" slung by carnival hucksters who make Donald Trump look like Mother Theresa by comparison.

    1. Re:Perhaps ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at Tether...

      No, perhaps it's time to take a fresh look at not using fake "currency" slung by carnival hucksters who make Donald Trump look like Mother Theresa by comparison.

      Mother Theresa was a vicious fucking cunt.

  21. Re: "Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lack of regulators our other trusted authoritues requires you to be an expert in every field, studying Also, no one can afford to insure financial institutions except the government. So if you want insured financial institutions, you want government regulations.

    Even if you could get private insurance for financial institution failure, now you have another organization for which you have to review auduts. Also, who audits the auditors? Government regulations exist as an attempt to solve this problem. Sure it isn't perfect, but your proposed alternative is useless withiut givernment regulations.

    Public audits are great, but that doesn't make regulations bad.

  22. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turdcoin, tool of shysters

    fools, the lot of you

  23. Wrong country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't this be in Egypt instead of Canada? Isn't Egypt most commonly known for "pyramid schemes"?

  24. If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only there were some sort of open, distributed ledger that a customer could access to ascertain that the transactions were valid and backed with the declared resources.

  25. Re: "Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SHHH don't say 'sheeple' you might wake them up.

  26. lol what the hell? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

    > Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at Tether...

    Why? Their auditors bailed when they couldn't find assets to back the coin, which is just the more severe form of the same damn scam

    Author owns tether - suspicion level 1.0

    --
    StoneCypher is Full of BS
  27. Re: "Perhaps it is time to take a fresh look at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. And when the regulators get lazy and want to audit less banks, they just arbitrarily raise the reserve minimum to a level the banks canâ(TM)t afford to fund and poof, less banks.

  28. Re: Great Risk of More Exchange Owners To Runaway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed.