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The Washington Post Asks: Should 8chan Be Considered a Terrorist Recuiting Site? (washingtonpost.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the Washington Post:
As most of the world condemned last week's mass shooting in New Zealand, a contrary story line emerged on 8chan, the online message board where the alleged shooter had announced the attack and urged others to continue the slaughter. "Who should i kill?" one anonymous poster wrote. "I have never been this happy," wrote another. "I am ready. I want to fight...." The persistence of the talk of violence on 8chan has led some experts to call for tougher actions by the world's governments, with some saying the site increasingly looks like the jihadi forums organized by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda...
8chan's founder, Fredrick Brennan, said Jim Watkins [8chan's sole administrator] owns other Internet businesses and has built a technical fortress to guard 8chan from potential takedowns: He owns nearly every component securing the site to the backbone of the Web, including its servers, which are scattered around the world. "You can send a complaint, but no one's going to do anything. He owns the whole operation," Brennan said. "It's how he keeps people confused and guessing...." Watkins is content to lose money, Brennan said, because he sees it as a pet project: "8chan is like a boat to Jim. It doesn't matter if it makes money. He just enjoys using it...."
8chan, however, is shielded in another way: the U.S. web-services giant Cloudflare, which helps websites guard against "distributed denial of service," or DDoS, attacks that online vigilante groups have used to target 8chan in the past.
The Post reports that Brennan "worries there are no true technical solutions beyond a total redesign of the Web, focused around identification and moderation, that could undermine it as a venue for free expression." Brennan tells the Post that "The Internet as a whole is not made to be censored. It was made to be resilient. And as long as there's a contingent of people who like this content, it will never go away."
On Tuesday, 8chan posted tips on Twitter for what to do "If your ISP is blocking a website you'd like to browse" -- a tweet which is now pinned to the top of its feed.
8chan's founder, Fredrick Brennan, said Jim Watkins [8chan's sole administrator] owns other Internet businesses and has built a technical fortress to guard 8chan from potential takedowns: He owns nearly every component securing the site to the backbone of the Web, including its servers, which are scattered around the world. "You can send a complaint, but no one's going to do anything. He owns the whole operation," Brennan said. "It's how he keeps people confused and guessing...." Watkins is content to lose money, Brennan said, because he sees it as a pet project: "8chan is like a boat to Jim. It doesn't matter if it makes money. He just enjoys using it...."
8chan, however, is shielded in another way: the U.S. web-services giant Cloudflare, which helps websites guard against "distributed denial of service," or DDoS, attacks that online vigilante groups have used to target 8chan in the past.
The Post reports that Brennan "worries there are no true technical solutions beyond a total redesign of the Web, focused around identification and moderation, that could undermine it as a venue for free expression." Brennan tells the Post that "The Internet as a whole is not made to be censored. It was made to be resilient. And as long as there's a contingent of people who like this content, it will never go away."
On Tuesday, 8chan posted tips on Twitter for what to do "If your ISP is blocking a website you'd like to browse" -- a tweet which is now pinned to the top of its feed.
Because that's where we're headed. No one will be anonymous anymore. We must all think and act the same.
Sure, but only if Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Whatsapp, Hotmail, Gmail, and all radio and TV broadcasts are also considered terrorit rectruitment sites. Otherwise it just seems like scapegoating and hypocrisy. Though that's pretty par for the course I guess.
The real question is: Should the Washington Post be considered Jeff Bezos Blog?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
The people who ask that question are the same people who called Jordan Peterson's book a recruitment book even though its content serves to deradicalize people and give them a purpose and responsibilities to eradicate hate and suppress it rather than feed it, a book which is also a good rehab program for criminals and not only those with depression and confusion.
If i had to define a site great for terrorist recruitment, it's the mass media leftists who don't pass a day insulting someone, throwing labels of nazism and fascism, trying to rile up terror squads against a bunch of Covington kids, and feeding hate because it gives them clicks.
8chan isn't the one mainstream society goes to in order to get their hate-fuel, it's mass media instead, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, Vice, Buzzfeed, all GAWKER crap, New York Times, etc. Surprise surprise, when your journalists wage a politics of identitarianism, it produces terrorists.
Shit wasn't this bad before 2011 or such when all this shit started aflame.
You want to wage politics of privilege and victimhood? You'll be creating terrorists. That's the start and end of it.
Surely driving them even further underground will only make things better!
Lenin didn't have Internet access.
Neither did 5th of November terrorists (back in 1605), nor did Bakunin, John Brown, the KKK, the IMRO, the IRA (up until very recently), and so on.
So no, the mere existence of Internet access isn't a terrorist recruitment tool, albeit it makes it easier for terrorists to communicate over large distances.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Oh, quit being such a fucking snowflake. Why are so many conservatives little more than trolls who see every silly little thing as proof of a worldwide conspiracy against them?
That icon comes and goes pretty much at random. I've seen it on any number of stories, irrespective of the political status of the subject matter. Unfortunately for conservatives, they're more often the ones threatening or encouraging violence, and therefore more likely to be called out.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Woke: The Internet is a terrorist recruiting site.
So because this guy did some violence no one else can be accused of doing some violence? How does that work in your head? Nothing justifies violence, you nutter. You should pay more attention to your sig quote. I don't think you've fully understood the meaning of it.
I don't think sites like 8chan and zerohedge, etc should be considered terrorist recruiting sites. It's basically just a bunch of edgelord shitposters who think it's clever to post racism, hatred, death threats, child porn and calls for violence. How are they supposed to know that actual terrorists and crazies would take them seriously and join their community?
On the other had, they should be considered a gateway drug to terrorism. ISPs and hosting services should consider carefully whether to do business with them.
You are welcome on my lawn.
See here.
For those that don't wanna bother with a long video, the article is about what the author calls "stochastic terrorism". Bruce Sterling touched on it in his novel "Distraction".
It works like a sales pipeline. You start out with PewDiePie spouting white supremacy "full the lulz" and for cheap publicity. A subset of his viewers "graduate" to harder stuff like Ben Shapiro and Sargon of Arkad, then on to Laura Southern and finally to stuff like the Unite the Right rally.
The New Zealand shooter ending his video with "subscribe to PewDiePie " because he's trying to put kids into that pipeline. Put a few hundred million in and eventually terrorists come out.
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This thing is a lot more complex than just "antifa vs nazi", and trying to simplify like that only make the situation a lot worse.
For example, the christchurch shooter is an "acceleracionist", basically someone that tried to do very specific actions to make a civil war between the left and right happen.
The targets he picked, the memes he used, everything planned from the ground up to make the far left activists have more power and overreact with it, causing an overreaction from the right and so forth, and sadly the NZ government fell for his bait, sink and line.
And finally, nothing justifies violence unless it's a direct immediate threat, If a nazi or an antifa or muslim or poodle fanatic is threatening your life directly such as pointing a gun at you, then you can stop him/her/(a shitton of pronouns), otherwise it's the job of the police to deal with it.
I'll agree proclaiming 8chan a terrorist recruitment organization if you agree to do the same for every activis publication (aka "journalists" aka "Washington Post") which had its "journalists" calling for an organization of terrorist group to see the parents of the Covington kids sacked and bullied, the school dismantled and even torched in some checkmark tweets, the kids killed and terrorized for the rest of their lives, over fake news they themselves created.
Oh, is that inconvenient? SJWs are pretty much a reflection of their appearances i always see, overly white elitist adults with toddler brains who live in a bubble of ignorance and stupidity which spreads hate because that's the only emotion they enjoy having and having to justify, that's also the thousands of "journalists" who got sacked for being unethical SJW garbage who attributed to the problem.
Look in the mirror WP.
The funny thing is, in 2020 you will be wondering how on earth President Truml got re-elected; after all, nobody on any boards you read supports him, in fact his supporters get banned immediately!
I hope you're joking. In that same vein your racist uncle or a history book put you in the "pipeline". The terrorist also said Candace owens radicalized him and spouted a bunch of memes, must be true too. Following your? line of though we would have to ban any and all references to white supremacy lest some poor souls actually start believing in it.
And if it applies to that, did a few million listeners put on Biggie Smalls and get into the drug dealer sales pipeline, eventually coming out criminals? Just sounds like a thinly veiled argument for censorship.
to reign in the worst elements of their community. By all accounts 8Chan bills itself as a haven for those sorts.
There are arguments to be made that 8chan shouldn't be considered a terrorist recruitment site. For example, that it's not their intended purpose and that any recruitment taking place is a side effect of their laissez faire approach to moderation. But it's not a fair argument to make that because a terrorist recruiter can post to Facebook that means 8chan's automatically off the hook. Facebook would very quickly ban the individual if there was even a whiff of potential violence. 8chan wouldn't take down a post unless there was a very, very clear violation of law (and there's accusations that even then they'll turn a blind eye).
Also, I think we're conflating up "Should be considered a recruitment tool" vs "is actively recruiting terrorists". There's a big difference. For the former it means the FBI keeps a closer eye on what goes on. For the latter it means the FBI/CIA/Military/local police (depending on the country) raids the place.
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It true! And that's why we end up with the joy of Alex Jones making bank off of telling people that the Sandy Hook Massacre was faked... so that the parents of dead kids now get death threats and have been forced to move from the city their murdered child is buried in.
I much prefer the Canadian way. Yeah, you have free speech but hate speech is not protected. Yes, blah blah blah I understand the slippery slope argument. Sane people will fight back though if the Government oversteps... and sane people will remain silent when the Charlottesville protesters marching through the streets chanting 'the Jews will not replace us' are thrown in jail.
I went looking for the video to satisfy my morbid curiosity, but it was being aggressively removed from my usual haunts, so I went to voat knowing that would be one of the few places not censoring links to it.
I discovered that most of their links were already dead, and that the comments were almost unanimously celebrating the murders. I lost my interest in seeing the video, having even that little in common with those cretins was too much.
And I thought, these are the people who traffic in the conspiracy theory that thousands of American Muslims were celebrating 9/11. But here they are, literally cheering a terrorist, doing the thing that they imagine others doing to rationalize their racism. Not only are they no different than an Islamic terrorist sympathizer, they're no different than the Islamic terrorist sympathizer that their imaginations have constructed. It's like they want to be recruited into terrorism. They don't necessarily hate radical Islam, they envy it.
The alt-right isn't a political movement, it is a sickness that needs to be eradicated. We should treat them the same way we treat members of Al Qaeda and ISIS. When they whine about free speech, we remind them that enemy combatants don't have rights. This will infuriate them, and every time they lash out with more terrorism, the government has another excuse to hit them even harder. Eventually there won't be any fight left in them, or there won't be any left.
Fox News is too big with the old folk, but Peterson's set him self up as a kind of father figure to a large number of disenfranchised young men.
I didn't like the guy when I first saw him but had a really, really hard time articulating why until I saw this and also this. This too.
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I was working on PCs and customers started having problems at home that couldn't be replicated in the office. Turned out there were hard-coded DNS hijacks put in place by trash like Search Encrypt but they'd never show symptoms at the office because I'd NATed all 53/UDP traffic to localhost:53 which ran dnsmasq and called out to consistent non-hijacked servers. I had to remove our DNS rewrite rule so that similarly hijacked machine symptoms would start appearing and be spotted. Transparent DNS hijacks by ISPs are very much a thing. It'd be nice if they'd settle on a freaking DNS security standard and be done with it.
dedicated to making the members of the right wing feel as though they're under attack. That's because once you convince somebody that they're under attack and really drive home the fear of it you can get them to do damn near anything.
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Should the Washington Post be considered a terrorist recruiting site?
Should Fox "News" or InfoWars be considered a terrorist recruiting sites? Seems more people have been incited to violence watching them. For example: Cesar Sayoc (mail bomber from FL), Edgar Welch (Pizzagate shooter from NC) ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
In March, conservative radio host and Infowars website operator Alex Jones apologized for promoting the Pizzagate conspiracy. Jones posted a six-minute video on his website in which he read a prepared statement saying that neither the restaurant nor its owner, James Alefantis, had anything to do with human trafficking. The statement came after Alefantis’s attorneys had requested a retraction.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
it's job. There's too kinds of Alt-righter. First, there's the leadership, who's just taking advantage of the rank and file to make money.
Then there's the rank and file. They're almost entirely made up of young dudes (usually white) who lost factory and blue collar jobs to outsourcing and don't really have a place in society anymore.
It's why the left is pushing the "Green New Deal". It's a jobs program to neuter the right wing's main source of power (disaffected working age men). The "Green" part is mostly incidental. It's there to steal votes from the Green Party so they can't be used by the right wing to spoil elections.
With very few exceptions give a man a job and a woman and he'll settle the fuck down. Mix in an education and he won't fall for demagogues. There will be exceptions (Osama Bin Laden comes to mind) but they won't have enough followers to get anything done before they get caught.
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The answer to crazy conspiracy theories is not censorship. It is information.
In the United States, because of our cherished First Amendment, there is no such thing as 'Hate Speech'. There is just speech, which is protected. If you don't like what someone is saying then don't listen to them. If you believe that their speech poses a danger to society then use your right to free speech to convince everyone else why they are wrong.
The answer to crazy theories and disgusting rhetoric is intelligent debate. It is not shouting people down, getting people banned, or preventing speech.
When you shut people down and prevent them from speaking what you have done is to leave them only one avenue by which to express themselves, and that is violence.
The monster in NZ states in his manifesto exactly what his plan was. The purpose of his attack was only peripherally to kill people he didn't like. His attack wasn't even directed at NZ, though they have been following his plan as if they were co conspirators of his. His attack was directed at the U.S. His purpose was to push the left into banning weapons, censoring speech and taking away rights, because he knew the left doing this was likely to cause the right to stubbornly resist such actions. Initially politically and legally and eventually violently, should the left persist in their actions to curtail rights. NZ is moving right along that path.
Meanwhile, as everyone here can attest, people who want to see the banned information can see it because The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. (John Gilmore)
Should Washington Post be considered a journalistic endeavor?
The WashPo is without question a propaganda piece for the left and Democratic party. It should have to adhere to the laws of any other PAC. It is harmful to a democracy when "Journalists" with a clear political agenda are afforded such protections and status.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Any reasonable person can see they are not in least bit unbiased in their reporting or coverage.
Should Fox "News" or InfoWars be considered a terrorist recruiting sites?
Nope. Making enemies lists and trying to find excuses to censor web sites is bad. The Washington Post and Vox Media should know better.
The snowflakes do this because they have no authoritative news sites that parrot their inhibitions. And it makes them feel superior thinking they have some secret knowledge the rest of world doesn't want them to know.
Their attitude is similar to those faux science programs that promise "Ancient Aliens", or "New Mysteries of the Bermuda Triangle". Substitute their inferiority complex towards the political mainstream and you get the alt-right.
you can get them to do damn near anything.
Or better yet give you money to do damn near anything.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Plus it helps to collect alms from the conservative faithful. FOX is laughing at them all the way to the bank.
We should seriously consider if Infowars and Fox News bare any responsibility. They get away with it by not directly inciting violence but instead spending years and years promoting conspiracies in the guise of "news" and ramping up hatred of certain groups (usually immigrants and "the left").
Their favourite trick is talking about how all these awful things will surely drive someone to violence eventually, which obviously they don't condone wink wink but the race war uprising will definitely start any day now so be prepared!
It's very difficult to deal with because it's rare for there to be a direct link or any solid evidence. And even when there is, like the Christchurch terrorist, those responsible can (probably legitimately) say they never intended it to justify violence and it's all the other radicalization on 8chan that should take the blame.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Orwell was talking about authoritarians, you know... the other axis. A lot of people forget that there's more than the left/right spectrum, and just pretend that the left is libertarian and the right is authoritarian. Authoritarian Left exists, Libertarian Right exists.
You'll find that as far as politics goes, most people are much more willing to get along on the left/right divide than they are on the authoritarian/libertarian divide. Turns out that authoritarians hate people that prefer personal freedoms and people that prefer personal freedoms disagree with people that want overreaching governments.
George Will publishes op-eds in the Wash. Post. So does that right wing hack Thiessen (sp?). There are a few others as well. Find another faux reason. If you mean the Wash. Post does investigative journalism on the most corrupt Administration in recent history, then yes they are guilty of that. Let's just say it is a target rich environment for the newspaper business.
Strange how people you don't like for some reason becomes "left" even if they are conservatives. Not strange that you dream up conspiracies as you are obviously mentally challenged.
May I just say, if you think Jordan Peterson is intolerant you are intellectually incapable. Period. Not that it matters but he isn't even particularly conservative. Have you taken an IQ test recently? You should be hearing Wooosh sounds constantly.
The answer to crazy conspiracy theories is not censorship. It is information.
The problem is that we are failing to counter this stuff with information. Can you suggest how we can do better, so this sort of thing stops happening?
Facebook and Google have tried presenting information when people view or search for this stuff, but found it largely ineffective. In fact Google found that many of the conspiracy theories incorporate a narrative that the truth is part of the conspiracy to deceive people, so facts sometimes just make the person more convinced of the lies.
The only thing that has been shown to really work (other than censorship) is de-radicalization, which usually involves starting on their terms and using their frame of reference to deconstruct their beliefs. Unfortunately due to moderation and/or being swamped on anonymous forums it's extremely difficult to do online.
His attack was directed at the U.S.
No, that is complete bollocks. His attack was similar to Anders Brevik's, designed to make people "wake up" to the "great replacement" white genocide. He said he expected to be seen the same way as Nelson Mandella, a terrorist on the right side of history and eventually released from jail when people realize his claims are all true. Part of the point of killing so many people was to make it nearly impossible to ignore and censor his message, since that what he believed was stopping people taking action against the Jews behind the "great replacement".
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
8chan, 4chan and those other boards are merely a random collection of trolls and other people that are able to speak out more freely in those channels.
Don't worry about those channels - all that's written is public. Worry about the recruiters that instead attract candidates in more clandestine form - especially in small gangs with members from the same culture. That's where the real terrorist recruiters catches their prey.
What remains are the "lone wolf" types, but only a small fraction of them are really acting upon what they write.
And for intelligence agencies the chans are a great source of information - sometimes news and patterns appears there before anywhere else. Especially patterns - like if those forums suddenly don't get any posts at all from a certain country you'd know that something is up.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Let me guess:
You're a right-leaning troll.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The reason this doesn't work:
Trolls are lightning rods. Reasonable people are not drama queens.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
So your takeaway is a goddam motherfucking sumbitching yellow belly blue-balled icon?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Snowflakes are the ones who cry to big brother when someone says/does something they don't like. I don't see many right leaning people doing that, except maybe for the pro-police-do-no-wrong crowd. In contrast, the authoritarian streak is universal on the left.
It's not a left/right war he wants.
His manifesto is titled "The Great Replacement", after the conspiracy theory of the same name. The core idea is that a "global elite" are trying to destroy the white rate through a kind of genocide where they encourage non-white people to immigrate and breed with the white folk.
The fact that people on the left of the political spectrum support immigration and interracial relationships is just because they are unwittingly being manipulated by the global elite into thinking it's a good thing, via propaganda in the "Mainstream Media".
The goal is to make people on the left "wake up" and see that they are being lied to, and that their race is dying out, and to join the far right conspiracy theorists in attacking the global elite.
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I never heard of it before and because of that irrelevancy to my existence, I can live without it.
Thanks for asking.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Yeah, I believe it. It's a fairly solid strategy for radicalizing people. It works because several of the people in the pipeline either don't know or don't care that they're part of it.
Yes, some punk kids will watch PDP and pick up on his mild racism. It'll resonate with them and they'll go looking for more. Like I said, they'll find Shapiro and Sargon, who will lead them to Southern and down the chain to rallies where thinly disguised Nazi flags are flow and finally to open white supremacy and Nazism.
Nobody wakes up on day and says "Boy, I sure would like to be a Nazi!". It's a process. PDP is part of that process. He should be called out on it, as should every cog in that machine.
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because the bastards want cheap programmers, and they don't want it getting around that learning to code isn't a valid career path.
Twitter pushes the same right wing corporate narrative as all media outlets. I'm a lefty. They're not on my side. They're on Mark Zuckerberg's side, and the other billionaires. Anything that gets in the way of pushing money and power gets banned. The alt-right aren't really getting banned. A few of your guys took the violence thing a bit too far and scared them, but twitter's still full of them. They just toned down the violent rhetoric a tad is all.
You're being used. Sooner you realize that the better. I know of only a handful of politicians who aren't trying to use you. Bernie Sanders is the main one. Freedom is economic freedom. Until everyone has that then we're all going to be at each other's throats while the rich and powerful laugh at us all the way to the bank.
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The answer to crazy conspiracy theories is not censorship. It is information.
We have more information than ever with positive information countering conspiracy theories in a shitload of supply. The problem is fundamentally that the information is not being absorbed. People see crazy shit at random and get sucked into that idea. They then seek out more information on it typically applying observer bias as they go. They then quickly get sucked into the echo chamber of stupidity.
Many minds are weak. It's not possible to solve this problem with information. If it were then conspiracy theories wouldn't gain traction in the first place.
Amazingly the rest of the world seems to think the people in the articles below actually exist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a37060509f3f
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/11/26/philly-antifa-tom-keenan-marine-attack/
Well, thank heavens that your multi-billion dollar media engine is calm and rational. Which is why you've come to the balanced conclusion that PewDiePie is a pipeline to terrorism.
And finally, nothing justifies violence unless it's a direct immediate threat, If a nazi or an antifa or muslim or poodle fanatic is threatening your life directly such as pointing a gun at you, then you can stop him/her/(a shitton of pronouns), otherwise it's the job of the police to deal with it.
After reading his " manifesto ", my thoughts are as follows:
I believe he wished to take the fight to the ' invaders ' before they completely outnumber the local population. He has no issues with them as long as they stay in their own country. He has major issues with them showing up elsewhere en masse while refusing to integrate into the local culture and, eventually, destroying it. This is exasperated by Government inaction ( or perhaps even its promotion ) of the matter.
His thoughts are simply, " If the Government or anyone else refuses to do anything about it, I will. "
One of the reasons he brings up the birth-rate issue is the fear that, left unchecked, mass immigrants within any given country who are producing more children than the existing population will eventually become the majority. History tells us that whomever is the majority, makes the rules.
A quote from his writing:
"In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are oppressed. If you become a social, political or ethnic minority it will always lead to your oppression. Whether they are a political minority and therefore lose the control of the majority of power, and thus lose control of the laws and regulations that define public life or those that are the cultural minority find that art in all its forms is created and controlled by a different audience, from a different people from a different history, with differing ideals and experiences and therefore they find themselves isolated, excluded and removed from the creation of contemporary culture."
If anything, his writings will tell you this wasn't some random act of terrorism. He was angry about very specific issues that no one else could be bothered to do anything about. He was very specific about his targets and his methods / tools for implementing his plan. He knew exactly what the reaction would be and, so far, New Zealand is following the script to the letter. He did, however, miscalculate the impact it would have on the US.
He didn't take into account the isolation variable where the vast majority of the US is pretty much oblivious to anything happening outside of its borders. If you want to start shit in the US, you'll need to play the game on US turf vs halfway around the world.
Well, you could lock down mass immigration.
He is also an US citizen.
So really the complaint should go to the Supreme Court the next time they have a first amendment case.
8ch is trivial to keep tabs on with automated systems, much easier than a clusterfuck like facebook.
I'm sure the NSA has AI systems combing it for anything relevant and building profiles. Combined with the massive amount of information the NSA has on internet traffic originating and destined for the US (also everywhere else, but there especially) it's already a honey pot ... and that's fine.
The Washington Post hired a friend of Osama bin Laden to write columns pushing his worldview. Until the Saudis killed him, the Washington Post was recruiting for the terrorist group that attacked the United States on September 11, 2001. And they act innocent and wonder why Trump calls them the Enemy Media. Money likely changed hands to make this happen. For more about these financial networks, go to 8chan for information because you're not getting it from the Washington Post.
do a search, its there. along with his initial post describing his intention, and the follow up post by other users. Its pretty freaky... makes you wonder what you would do in a situation like that.
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We should switch to ham radios. They can't follow us there without getting electrocuted.
Not sure where you got the Jews part because his manifest the hardly mentioned Jews. Is this your own logical conclusion?
Since the opposition has come into power, though, each of those has sent hundreds of FOIA requests, in just two years. Be the end of Trump's first term, each of the 8 listed will have passed 1000 FOIA requests to just the EPA - a rate of "investigation" almost 40 times higher than just a few years ago.
But Trump is corrupt. Right.
Why not both? One doesn't negate the other in any way.
"Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
No, you idiot. Hitting people in a riot during a protest-counter-protest is not the same level of violence as murder or mass murder.
It's not "some violence". It's alt-right dickheads like you who try to make the two equivalent, when they're clearly not. It's a clear campaign by you nutters, like you are doing here, to make murder to be no worse than getting into fights during a riot.
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's not information. Multiple studies have shown that if you give a conspiracy theorist facts they just dig in further. The availability of facts on vaccines and a round earth hasn't stopped the anti-vaxxer & flat earth movements from growing.
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This "great replacement" is what i can see pretty much the basis of the modern "nazis".
I bet you can throw a wrench on the nazi factory by either having someone "neutral" breaking the theory, or at least convincing the "would be nazis" that the far-right solution will only make everything worse (which it would).
The answer to crazy conspiracy theories is not censorship. It is information.
That sounds like an argument for breaking all filter bubbles.
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8Chan is full of kids trolling around and being little shits, 2/3 of us old slashdotters did the same thing, writing horrific words for fun online to shock people.
Also when the whole world loses its mind over 50 dead Muslims in NZ but doesn't bat an eye over white deaths by Muslim hands (FREQUENTLY suppressing the identity of the attacker across the world) you can see why bad sentiment builds up.
It is not hard to find a list of Islam related deaths per year, including in Western nations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/italy-driver-of-bus-full-of-children-sets-it-on-fire/2019/03/20/b702e850-4b0e-11e9-8cfc-2c5d0999c21e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cf7d005f87fc
Once you start googling and see just how frequent people are killed by Islamsists and it's VERY quickly suppressed, it's kind of frightening.
Also look up the "#IWILLRIDEWITHYOU" hashtag for an Islamic attack in Sydney Australia, where the far left people on twitter were more worried about Muslim backlash on public transport, for the next day, than the people who were hostages STILL IN THE CAFE with the Islamic terrorist..... Utterly disgusting.
Should Fox "News" or InfoWars be considered a terrorist recruiting sites?
I avoid InfoWars, so I won't speak to them, but while I wouldn't call Fox News content a terrorist recruiting tool no matter how slanted they can be, they do host a comment section which doesn't have a problem with comments like "Lynch Ilhan Omar". I saw that one today and it had been up far too long for them not to have had a chance to remove it..
In the last week I have seen people justifying the attack on the mosques in New Zealand and of course there's the usual drumbeat of hate towards liberals/marxists/communists/socialists/RINOs which all seem to be synonyms to the majority of people commenting there.
The idea of shooting illegal aliens...I mean "invaders" on sight is a very common and popular position (based on the "Likes" those comments get).
They do exercise editorial control over their comment section and often delete posts and even shadowban people. I've also seen them remove comments from stories altogether when they got too crazy or not even allow them in the first place (e.g. stories about Jussie Smollett). He may have perpetrated a hoax by claiming to be a victim of a hate crime, but there is no shortage of people commenting on Fox who apparently would love to see it actually happen.
But Fox stories get so many comments, they will probably just claim they can't police them . But I don't buy that. I believe they know exactly what's going on.
It gets eyeballs and I have no doubt that it gets a lot of 8chan users as well.
Does this rise to the level of a "terrorist recruiting site"? Probably not. People are just speaking their opinions. Free speech? Does calling for the lynching of an elected Congresswoman rise to the level of inciting violence? I'm not going to play lawyer, but if someone said that about the President, I would expect it would be deleted quickly and the Secret Service would follow up.
They certainly have the potential to "inspire" someone, although if you're crazy enough anything might do that.
Oh? Only "Corporate Progressive Nazis" are able to see the rise of anti-vaxxers and conspiracy nut-jobs? That's a new one. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to, or better still, an anti-Corporate-Progressive-Nazi Facebook group?
Funny how the same people backing the movement that's made it physically unsafe to be jewish on almost any college campus and in much of Europe would resort to using us as a political prop in something we're not really even mentioned in.
The shooter barely mentioned jews at all, and he flat out said that his goals were exactly what Terry described. Terry's not making this up, the shooter TOLD us what he wanted. Why do you think they're censoring his manifesto so hard instead of obsessing over its ever word like with every other shooter before this? Because this time he flat out said he was using the media as his real weapon. He even openly admitted he didn't really care about muslims and just picked mosques because he knew the left would go insane over it.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
People are looking for places where they can say what they feel like (that's real freedom of expression) and 8chan has become such a place, like 4chan used to be.
When we live in a world where a comment to a news story about yet another hostage/terrorist drama with Islamist bad guys can cause 30 days in Facebook jail. Here's the details and the 'horrible hate speech' it contains: "No, a story like that simply reflects real life where Muslims do most of the terrorist killing in the world today, vastly outnumbering all other kinds of terrorists when it comes to both number of dead and number of incidents."
It's not made up or exaggerated in any way. It's simply uncomfortable facts. Just in the week around the Christchurch attack where 50 Muslim people got killed, about 120 people got killed in a number of Islamist attacks on christian and catholic churches in both Africa, The Middle East and the predominantly Muslim areas of East Asia - and it was a relatively quiet week...
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
Muslims make up about 1% of citizens in New Zealand. In fact it's probably lower because people put down that their family members are Muslim on the census, but they aren't actually practising or believing in it.
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By "censoring his manifesto so hard" presumably you it being readily available online and widely discussed and dissected in the evil Mainstream Media, right?
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It's a core part of the Great Replacement conspiracy theory. The "Global Elite" is just code for Jews.
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If it's so readily available, what's your excise for making shit up about his goals instead of commenting on what he actually stated in it?
Since the attackers are allegedly Australian this presents a rather convenient opportunity for NZ to request Australia exercise its newly acquired intelligence laws under the guise of the 2018 Assistance Access bill.
Anywhere 8chan flows, they will be there to collect the information.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Actually, with experience and a perceptive mind, you'll find that the most vocal so-claimed proponents of "libertarian" ideas are full of horse-pucky
That's true, and also irrelevant. The great thing about libertarians is that no matter how many crappy ideas they have, they don't try to force them on me. Can't say the same thing about authoritarians, regardless of their leanings on the left/right axis.
My description is accurate. Anyone can check.
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No, you idiot. Hitting people in a riot during a protest-counter-protest is not the same level of violence as murder or mass murder.
Agreed; which is why nothing your "alt-right" has ever done can hold a candle to the mass murder perpetuated in the name of communism. If you're really worried about mass murder, start clamping down on those who express left-wing political opinions.
Here in Eastern Europe we have
- no Muslim terrorism
- no anti-Muslim terrorism
- no political violence at all in fact
- actual free speech, without any hate speech laws
- uncensored Internet
- lax gun control by European standards
Such a society is not only possible, but exists in practice. Just saying.
Up to you to figure out what the differencemaker might be.
I'm pretty sure that's an Alex Jones quote right there ...
Bullshit. Right this moment Devin Nunes, Trump's Number One Bum Boy, is trying to sue Twitter over an obvious parody account. And he's far from the only one. As a matter of fact, Bill Maher humiliated another conservative by pointing out that the whiny little weasel was actually suing his mother.
It's amazing how often conservatives aren't just wrong, they're ignorant and proud to be that way.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
They Goyim know. Shut it down!
The answer to crazy theories and disgusting rhetoric is intelligent debate. It is not shouting people down, getting people banned, or preventing speech.
I see this on a regular basis, but it conveniently ignores two very critical details:
1. That's not actually happening. People are instead sitting in their own little echo chambers and doing what they can to ignore counter arguments. By the time it gets to venues where opposing positions may be heard, the people have gotten so polarized that there is no hope of convincing them otherwise. You would think that technology would help prevent this, but it hasn't, and it won't. It's exacerbating the problem instead.
2. The effort required to counter bullshit is multiple orders of magnitude than what it takes to make the initial bullshit. This assumes that the original bullshitter is even open to counter arguments, doesn't have an agenda that is making them willfully lie, etc.
If there are any options to counter this besides censorship, I'm very interested to hear them.
Yeah, they'll hold me at gunpoint and force me to be free. Terrifying.
It's kind of ironic that it's conservatives who are filled with rage, fear and ignorance, who lash out at the slightest excuse and scream hysterically when they get a little of their own medicine back, or at the smallest intrusion of objective reality into their fantasy world. They're the first to call others "snowflake" and "libtard", but demographically they're largely a pathetic group of proudly ignorant, underachieving, low IQ, old white men whose accomplishments are mostly in their heads.
For example, have you heard the vitriol being directed at that Republican Senator who lost an eye serving your country because he dared to demand that draft dodger Donald Trump stop insulting John McCain? They've been calling him a coward, a traitor and a pussy...and you can bet virtually none of the senile old farts have ever been within a thousand miles of a shooting war.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.