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Bill That Would Restore Net Neutrality Moves Forward Despite Telecom's Best Efforts To Kill It (vice.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: Last month, Democrats introduced a simple three page bill that would do one thing: restore FCC net neutrality rules and the agency's authority over ISPs, both stripped away by a hugely-controversial decision by the agency in late 2017. Tuesday morning, the Save the Internet Act passed through a key House committee vote and markup session -- despite some last-minute efforts by big telecom to weaken the bill.
"Net neutrality is coming back with a vengeance," said Evan Greer, deputy director of consumer group Fight for the Future said in a statement. "Politicians are slowly learning that they can't get away with shilling for big telecom anymore," Greer said. "We're harnessing the power of the Internet to save it, and any lawmaker who stands in our way will soon face the wrath of their constituents, who overwhelmingly want lawmakers to restore these basic protections." Greer told Motherboard that several last minute amendments were introduced by lawmakers during the markup period in an attempt to water down the bill, but all were pulled in the wake of widespread public interest in the hearing. "It seems like the GOP retreated a bit given after the huge swell of public support," said Greer, who told Motherboard that 300,000 people watched the organization's livestream of the markup process. That attention "really emboldened the Democrats and shored up the ones that were wobbling," Greer said.
"Net neutrality is coming back with a vengeance," said Evan Greer, deputy director of consumer group Fight for the Future said in a statement. "Politicians are slowly learning that they can't get away with shilling for big telecom anymore," Greer said. "We're harnessing the power of the Internet to save it, and any lawmaker who stands in our way will soon face the wrath of their constituents, who overwhelmingly want lawmakers to restore these basic protections." Greer told Motherboard that several last minute amendments were introduced by lawmakers during the markup period in an attempt to water down the bill, but all were pulled in the wake of widespread public interest in the hearing. "It seems like the GOP retreated a bit given after the huge swell of public support," said Greer, who told Motherboard that 300,000 people watched the organization's livestream of the markup process. That attention "really emboldened the Democrats and shored up the ones that were wobbling," Greer said.
Fuck em!
Welcome back to your copper insulated wireline that 100% NN ready and federally approved.
Welcome back to your one federal NN approved monopoly telco.
No more new competition. No new community broadband. No network innovation allowed.
Federal rules and laws protecting monopoly networks all the way down to the modem.
Nothing new for your gated community. Nothing better for your gentrified neighborhood.
Want community broadband? The exisiting NN approved network is the only network allowed.
Federal laws and rules slowing your internet since 2019?
Restoring slow gov approved networks all over the USA. No more new network freedom.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Seems pretty simple, it's not cargo laws because you can't check every vehicle and with infinite encryption as simple as it is you'd never know.
What's the worry, plutonium? Measure the weight of the bullets, is the worry about making one person a star and then harming them? Then have the government investigate the star and if there's no problem, so what?
Government would get paid for that, by taxes, that the businesses and individuals would have to pay.
Why join them, well they pay more.
Then banks and cash.
on the plus side this puts the Republicans on record as opposing Net Neutrality.
And make no mistake, this is a partisan issue. The last time it came up for a vote it was split completely along party lines (IIRC one or two Repubs broke ranks, but not enough).
What this means is that if you want NN, you have to vote for a Democrat, or at least an Independent. And they have to win both chambers and probably the presidency to.
OTOH, I'm pretty sure it's a minor issue for even a lot of the folks on this forum; and whatever the GOP is selling outweighs the value of NN.
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You're a fucking moron huxster
I have a general net neutrality question.
Consider that 1000 of my local ISP's customers want to watch a hot new Netflix show. My ISP is 1000 km from the nearest Netflix data center. The dumb solution is that 1000 customers sent requests to ISP who sends them 1000 km to Netflix who sends the show 1000 times over the backbone connection. The smart solution is that Netflix colocates a server in my ISP's small local data center which they send the popular shows to just once over the backbone, and this server sends it to the 1000 local customers.
For the smart solution to happen, there have to be incentives for Netflix and the ISP to do it. Without net neutrality, it could work: ISP gets to advertise that Netflix is 0 rated (or 0.5 rated or whatever) towards customer data caps, and benefits from being more attractive to customers and not paying for so much backbone data. Netflix benefits by not needing so much internet backbone. Customers benefit obviously, at least in the short term. (Customers may suffer in the long term through lack of competition.) Would-be Netflix competitors are very unhappy. Possibly money changes hands between ISP and Netflix to make this work, although I'm not sure in which direction.
With net neutrality, the ISP can't offer reduced rating on Netflix data. How do the incentives work in this case? The great reduction of data going over the backbone should provide savings, but who was paying this cost in the first place? Does the ISP want to pay Netflix to colocate a server, or to charge them for it?
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The fix to this is relatively simple, although it might require a lot of backend changes if they have truly neglected things as badly as we have been lead to believe.
Simple put you need either a signature chain from the originating telco hub, or a blockchain/series of blockchains providing a chain of authentication for every call dialed with a signature from each originating hub signing both the previous phone call and the next.
Either of these solutions would lead you back to the 'bad telco' and the blockchain may even lead you back to the bad actor themselves, since the blockchain would act as a log and authority for all outgoing dialled calls, meaning even if the caller id itself was faked there would be an irrefutable record of the robocalls being transmitted back to back from the same node, location, or unsecured hub, allowing both discovery of that location as well as providing a difficult to contest record of the crimes when someone is identified to prosecute.
While I don't know what would be required for proprietary solutions, this could be written up for asterisk in a few weeks and should be able to handle normal call load per switch, hub, or bx without a significant increase in load (since this is only adding a per-node key and a signing pass per connection, at most a few hundreds of a second extra during the initial connection phase.)
I bet if these robocalls go away we will see a 50 percent or greater decline in phone division revenues for all the major telcos in the US.
Why would you think such blatant disinformation would succeed here? Do you really think so little of people?
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
It'll die in the Senate, on the plus side this puts the Republicans on record as opposing Net Neutrality.
Exactly... and that's the point.
they have to win both chambers and probably the presidency to.
2020 is coming along with another blue wave.
OTOH, I'm pretty sure it's a minor issue for even a lot of the folks on this forum; and whatever the GOP is selling outweighs the value of NN.
Fear, hate and tax cuts for the rich is what they are selling. However, they changed the intensity from being subliminal and liminal to being superliminal which has had diminishing returns.
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Well, you ain't seen yet nothing boy! (or girl sorry for that evident sexist part).
Now, for anyone who cares about higher challenges, just try to restore creimer's neutrality!
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What this means is that if you want NN, you have to vote for a Democrat, or at least an Independent. And they have to win both chambers and probably the presidency to.
Or, you could, you know, engage your representative and senator (R/D/wutevr), and express your point of view in a clear, reasoned manner. Believe it or not, they do listen to your calls and read your letters/emails (at least someone on their staff does. There is a populist movement on both sides of the aisle and the incumbents better pay attention to it, or they will be looking for a new job.
Chaos maximizes locally around me.
Nobody in real life cares about what people call Net Neutrality.
In reality, NN is about corporations trying to force other corporations to pay for infrastructure and access. Everything else is just a sideshow, and it's pathetic how so-called geeks have gotten suckered into taking sides in this fight.
NN isn't about the consumer, it's about who pays.
In many ways, I see him as a hero. Most of all, he stands up to bullying. Secondly, he's doing the right thing. NN is not the FCC's job.
The bill to "restore" net neutrality moves forward toward the toilet for a final flush.
Consider that 1000 of my local ISP's customers want to watch a hot new Netflix show. My ISP is 1000 km from the nearest Netflix data center. The dumb solution is that 1000 customers sent requests to ISP who sends them 1000 km to Netflix who sends the show 1000 times over the backbone connection.
One word: Multicast.
It's already in the Internet suite.
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i cant wait until they figure out they cant get away with shilling for the military-industrial complex and the banking cartel
this is just plain old crony-fascism when the government offers their services to the highest bidder
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like the good old days?
The only groups in the USA effected by the lack of Net Neutrality are video and audio streaming companies. Companies, which use huge amounts of data. I will prefer a low speed internet, at a lower cost, and not subsidize some heavy Netflix user.
who?
ROFFLYKOPTERZ!
GPs is implying it's possible, just that there is no incentive.
We haven't had "Net Neutrality" in quite a while.
But my internet access is better and faster than ever!
So much for the NN Ninnies.
Last month, Democrats introduced a simple three page bill that would do one thing: restore FCC net neutrality rules and the agency's authority over ISPs, both stripped away by a hugely-controversial decision by the agency in late 2017. Tuesday morning, the Save the Internet Act passed through a key House committee vote and markup session -- despite some last-minute efforts by big telecom to weaken the bill.
Serious questions. What has been the overall impact since late 2017 when the FCC removed the rules? Are websites now inaccessible that once were accessible? Have upload & download speeds been reduced? Have costs skyrocketed? Is there any noticeable change that anyone can point to?
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
A long time ago, the rural South had a small problem. No electricity. The government actually solved the problem with a little business/ government program called the TVA. Could the same type of system be used to string fiber? Yes. Did it cost some people their homes and livelihoods? Yes. Did the costs outweigh the benefit? No. Does this have anything to do with NN? Maybe. With broadband access, charge the usage fee based on proportional size, with stiff penalties, up to corporate death penalty, for "cybersquatting", blocking access. The backbone belongs to a semigovernmental agency run by a board of governors, none of whom can have ANY relationship, no matter how small, with the outside corporate interests.
Just a proposal.
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Having seen what the 'open for all' internet looks like, before the ability of telecom/ISP companies to effectively manage the impact of bad actors, the idea that people, in their ignorance, actually believe such nonsense as 'every packet is equal' is disturbing. This version of 'net neutrality' does not protect end users. read the thing. read ALL of it. For every headline in the regs that says 'protect end user privilege', there are 8-30 exceptions that essentially allow an ISP/Telco to do exactly what people claim they do not want to allow them to do. Don't want to be charged 'extra' for access to netflix? No problem, says FCC/ISP: You now have a bandwidth cap per month, and once you go over it, we charge you extra... unless you use our streaming service, which is zero rated (I.E. doesn't count against your bandwidth cap). The entire regulatory framework is filled with that kind of crap. And the best part? the FCC declares itself as the sole arbiter of anything going wrong online... So before, where you could go to the FTC (which has all the experience shutting down protectionist, monopolistic behaviour), the FCC now gets to determine if google or verizon doing something that is expressly allowed by it's regs (but is clearly a violation of anti-trust laws) is legal! WAKE UP PEOPLE. Stop thinking with your hearts and read the crap being shown to you as 'the protection you need from your evil ISP'.
Comcast said they would hold off any big new plans after they killed neutrality. It is a wise move because the suckers will feel safe and think all the fear mongering was a bunch of hype. Then slowly little by little the ISPs turn up the heat and you'll ignore the complains by the haters as we all slowly come to a boil.
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These past two years have been ROUGH without net neutrality. With all the... uhh...
Well when the telecom providers did the... uhhh.... the bad things.... with..
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We've had a solution to this since the shit was invented, it's called UDP Multicast .. not sure why some form of this isn't being exploited for streaming.
First I am a huge fan of the idea of three page bills. Hopefully they assert actual net neutrality and not Obama era rules.
Bullpussy! You didn't save a dime. Let's see some numbers. You didn't get to write off your SALT, you didn't get to write off your home mortgage, your tax withheld from your check may have been $40 less per week but you had to make it back up at tax-return time. What part of the non-rich tax cuts are you referring to?