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New Huawei Phone Has a 5x Optical Zoom, Thanks To a Periscope Lens (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Huawei officially announced the Huawei P30 Pro smartphone today. While it has a new Huawei-made SoC, an in-screen optical fingerprint reader, and lots of other high-end features, the highlight is definitely the camera's optical zoom, which is up to a whopping 5x. Not digital zoom. Real, optical zoom. Space, of course, is at a premium in smartphones. Imagine a smartphone sitting face down, and you would have to fit a vertical stack of the display, the CMOS sensor, and the lens all in about an 8mm height. There is just not a lot of room. But what if we didn't have to stack all the components vertically? The trick to Huawei's 5x optical zoom is that it uses a periscope design.
From the outside, it looks like a normal camera setup, albeit with a funky square camera opening. Internally, though, the components make a 90-degree right turn after the lens cover, and the zoom lens components and CMOS sensor are arranged horizontally. Now instead of having to cram a bunch of lenses and the CMOS chip into 8mm of vertical phone space, we have acres of horizontal phone space to play with. We've seen prototypes of periscope cameras from Oppo, but as far as commercial devices go, the Huawei P30 Pro is the first. While the optical zoom is the big new camera feature, there are four total cameras on the back of the P30 Pro. A 40MP main camera, a 20MP wide angle, the 8MP 5X telephoto, and a Time of Flight depth-sensing camera. The main 40MP camera uses a 1/1.7 inch-type sensor that, when measured diagonally, would make it 32 percent larger than the 1/2.55 inch-type sensors in the Galaxy S10 or iPhone XS. The P30 Pro also has a new "RYYB" pixel layout, which swaps out the two green pixels in most CMOS "RGGB" sensors for yellow pixels. "Huawei claims it can capture 40 percent more light, as the yellow filter captures green and red light," Ars Technica reports. "Of course, this will make the color wonky, but Huawei claims it can correct for that in software."
Other specifications include a Kirin 980 octa-core processor with 6GB or 8GB RAM, up to 512GB storage, IP68 water and dust resistance, NFC, wireless charging, 40W wired charging, and a 4,200mAh battery. It starts at a price of $1,125.
From the outside, it looks like a normal camera setup, albeit with a funky square camera opening. Internally, though, the components make a 90-degree right turn after the lens cover, and the zoom lens components and CMOS sensor are arranged horizontally. Now instead of having to cram a bunch of lenses and the CMOS chip into 8mm of vertical phone space, we have acres of horizontal phone space to play with. We've seen prototypes of periscope cameras from Oppo, but as far as commercial devices go, the Huawei P30 Pro is the first. While the optical zoom is the big new camera feature, there are four total cameras on the back of the P30 Pro. A 40MP main camera, a 20MP wide angle, the 8MP 5X telephoto, and a Time of Flight depth-sensing camera. The main 40MP camera uses a 1/1.7 inch-type sensor that, when measured diagonally, would make it 32 percent larger than the 1/2.55 inch-type sensors in the Galaxy S10 or iPhone XS. The P30 Pro also has a new "RYYB" pixel layout, which swaps out the two green pixels in most CMOS "RGGB" sensors for yellow pixels. "Huawei claims it can capture 40 percent more light, as the yellow filter captures green and red light," Ars Technica reports. "Of course, this will make the color wonky, but Huawei claims it can correct for that in software."
Other specifications include a Kirin 980 octa-core processor with 6GB or 8GB RAM, up to 512GB storage, IP68 water and dust resistance, NFC, wireless charging, 40W wired charging, and a 4,200mAh battery. It starts at a price of $1,125.
I own and really really like my fairly new Huawei Mate 20 (non Pro, curved displays can DIE!)
There's many great features on the phone, I like having an IR port, I have headphone, massive battery, very fast, notification LED.
It has allmost all the old original Android features that first wooooed me from Apple (which most idiot handset manufacturers are now removing to copy Apple....)
HOWEVER this phone, replaced a 2015 Samsung Note 5. Yet the camera's much like the p30, cameras everywhere,..... Those cameras? Yeah at least on the Mate 20 regular? They're kinda "ok"
It's sad that my old old Note 5 can take a brighter, crisper image AND it takes it without fiddling with pro mode stuff. I don't care if the mate can do fancy camera stuff, with patience, I just want a nice point and click to be honest.
I know they're improving all the time, but seeing that my almost brand new phone produce worse pics than my old one, kinda disappointing.
Does this phone ships with a Social Credit app preloaded?
Look back to a Minolta Dimagex.
Asus ZenFone Zoom.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Where is the proof? I think it is a safe bet to say that currently there are many, many security exports taking a close look at Huawei phones. But to my knowledge none has come out yet and said that Huawey phones transfer any more user telemetry then your average modern smartphone would do.
The article mentions "optical zoom" and "zoom lenses", but is this not simply a telephoto lens combined with 2 wide angle lenses? "Zoom" refers to a lens with a variable focal length, which this phone does not seem to have (nor any other smartphone I'm aware of, for that matter).
It delivers excellent results when photographing engineering documents and prototypes. They never tested it on anything else.
The P30 Pro also has a new "RYYB" pixel layout, which swaps out the two green pixels in most CMOS "RGGB" sensors for yellow pixels. "Huawei claims it can capture 40 percent more light, as the yellow filter captures green and red light," Ars Technica reports. "Of course, this will make the color wonky, but Huawei claims it can correct for that in software."
That's essentially what your retina does. The red and green photosensors (more accurately called L for "long-wave" and M for "medium-wave") have spectral sensitivity that largely overlap; it is the relative difference that gets resolved into red and green percepts (after a lot of additional processing).
So, yep, use high sensitivity sensors that mostly overlap in sensitivity, and then correct it in software. That's what your visual system does!
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It will be interesting to see how it does on benchmarks like DXO Mark vs how people perceive it. Their high end phones tend to be tuned for benchmark performance, their mid range ones tend to be a little on the bright side because in side-by-side comparisons people usually pick the brighter image.
The zoom is incredible on this thing. Not just the fact that they managed to build it, but that it's reasonably stable in a hand-held device. Normally with 50x zoom you would need a tripod for stability, even if the camera/lens has optical image stabilisation.
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so? I don't live in China, wtf do I care that they know about my sexual fantasies of Xi and Winnie the Pooh?
You should worry about your OWN government spying on you, because it's them who can actually have any sort of meaningful impact on your life.
I'd wondered when this was coming for cell phone cameras. I had a Minolta DiMAGE X back in the day, it had a periscope lens with not just a fixed 5x telephoto, but a 3x zoom that moved inside the body sideways.
https://www.dpreview.com/artic...
I await the day they don't use 3 separate lenses/sensors and do something like this in a cell phone.
Sam
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Minolta_DiMAGE_X
My UID is prime!
But wait... what if the insane camera quality in the phone was strategically added by Huawei so that they can leak even higher quality images to the Chinese government??
"The cause of fear is ignorance."
Meh, so Huawei is offering a whole 16$ of value on a new 1000$+ phone?
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Univer...
The DiMAGE X shipped 17 years ago. How likely is it that Huawei was sitting on this one for a couple years, waiting for Sony's patents to run out? (Sony bought Konica Minolta's camera unit in 2006.)
During the last election cycles, we have had the Russian government using data collected from social media, to determine our political stances. Then make targeted advertisements, and reach outs to make sure the thing that we fear about the other side is exploited, and done to the other side, so we end up with what we have now. Groups of people hating each other, because each side is afraid that the other is trying to change their way of life and oppress them.
I want my rulers to know what my pain points in my life is, what seems to work for me and what doesn't in hope their policy decisions are based on trying to allow its constituents the ability to prosper. I don't want governments taking my pain points and trying to trick me into thinking the "Others" are trying to exasperate them.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I haven't seen the Huawei in action, but the way it used to work in old compact point-and-shoot it that the variable focal length happens by having the lens move around inside the periscope, instead of having them move in the external objective like on bigger photo cameras.
We'll have to wait until iFixit does a disassembly to see if indeed the lens are moving inside or whether it's only a telephoto with fixed focal length as you suggest and unlike every other thing of this kind that came before it.
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http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Minolta_DiMAGE_X
But the Huawei is on a smartphone !
and uses RYYB instead of RGGB !
(== hopefully that will be enough to avoid triggering some old patent and getting an injunction blocking the import of our phone in the patent-friendly countries such as US).
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ARS literally posted an article yesterday about how Huawei's management software in windows was using a technique the NSA developed for injecting instructions at the supervisor level from an unprivileged program. Their justification for it also didn't hold water because windows has built in functionality that can achieve what they wanted.
Corephotonics, an Israeli startup, holds several patents on this tech. It was first seen in the Oppo phone, and now the P30.
However, Corephotonics was acquired by Samsung 2 months ago for $155M, so this might be the last non-Samsung phone to have this technology.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2019/02/huawei-p30-pro-quad-camera-teased.html
Ever since the Samsung's battery fiasco we owned six Huawei devices between me and my spouse -- two of mine were stolen, and my other half cracks the screen every other month. It's a nice quality package with a ~7" screen size that competition does not even offer.
Comes with a scuba diving case, you say? I will just wait for mine to be stolen... maybe book another trip to Barcelona where things magically vanish from your pockets.
Another phone with wear items (ie. battery) glued inside! Another piece of electronics designed to fail after a couple years!
Right-to-repair legislation banning the manufacturing/import-for-resale of devices into which wear items have been glued can't come soon enough.
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What is the difference between 40MP with 5X digital zoom and 8MP with 5X optical zoom (or telephoto in this case it seems)?
Wouldn't you get about the same result?
Great, so it can, what, zoom in on your personal information, making it easier to steal from you? Fuck that, fuck 'smartphones' in general, nothing but a big fat data security swiss-cheese.
https://www.dpreview.com/artic...