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Russia Orders Major VPN Providers To Block 'Banned' Sites (torrentfreak.com)

Russian authorities have ordered ten major VPN providers to begin blocking sites on the country's blacklist. "NordVPN, ExpressVPN, IPVanish and HideMyAss are among those affected," reports TorrentFreak. "TorGuard also received a notification and has pulled its services out of Russia with immediate effect." From the report: During the past few days, telecoms watch Roscomnadzor says it sent compliance notifications to 10 major VPN services with servers inside Russia -- NordVPN, ExpressVPN, TorGuard, IPVanish, VPN Unlimited, VyprVPN, Kaspersky Secure Connection, HideMyAss!, Hola VPN, and OpenVPN. The government agency is demanding that the affected services begin interfacing with the FGIS database, blocking the sites listed within. Several other local companies -- search giant Yandex, Sputnik, Mail.ru, and Rambler -- are already connected to the database and filtering as required.

"In accordance with paragraph 5 of Article 15.8 of the Federal Law No. 149-FZ of 27.07.2006 'On Information, Information Technology and on Protection of Information' hereby we are informing you about the necessity to get connected to the Federal state informational system of the blocked information sources and networks [FGIS] within thirty working days from the receipt [of this notice]," the notice reads. A notice received by TorGuard reveals that the provider was indeed given just under a month to comply. The notice also details the consequences for not doing so, i.e being placed on the blacklist with the rest of the banned sites so it cannot operate in Russia. The demand from Roscomnadzor sent to TorGuard and the other companies also requires that they hand over information to the authorities, including details of their operators and places of business. The notice itself states that for foreign entities, Russian authorities require the full entity name, country of residence, tax number and/or trade register number, postal and email address details, plus other information.

87 comments

  1. goatse.ru is safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    that is a gaping hole imo

  2. And if they are any good... by jtrainor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their answer will be "lol no".

    1. Re:And if they are any good... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      And how are they supposed to do that, when the services are within Russia, and under Russian jurisdiction?

    2. Re:And if they are any good... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      To run a VPN efficiently, you should run the company in as many countries as possible. So from Russia, you VPN to your American subsidiary VPN, so traffic is VPN to VPN, it is cheaper because the in country traffic is cheaper. So the local VPN links to no one but their VPN subsidiaries in other countries, who then establish actual traffic. Technically you are only ever establishing network traffic with your offshore subsidiary and they are adhering to the law at that location.

      All you need is one person at that location, to do paperwork and of course rent a server on a server farm as the VPN, how to expand globally, from a small office in one country. All your network contacts are VPN to VPN internationally (all traffic tightly encrypted, with no indication of who to or from) and VPN to the internet only locally.

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    3. Re:And if they are any good... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Interesting

      These companies have servers in Russia, and each will individually either have to comply or cease operations in Russia. It's worth noting that after receiving the notice, TorGuard, one of the ten companies mentioned in the article, has already responded to this,and left Russia of its own accord, since they consider the compliance terms unacceptable for their use case.

    4. Re:And if they are any good... by infolation · · Score: 2

      Users don't need a VPN provider to use a VPN, they need a single-core VPS which can be obtained for the around monthly cost of a VPN and without making a traceable payment.

      Scripts like streisand mean that a user can put together their own VPN server (and Tor OBFS4 private bridge) on a cheap VPS paid with monero.

      How can countries who claim to 'ban VPNs' ever hope to ban every VPS provider in the world?

    5. Re:And if they are any good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because average joe can perform the steps necessary to do that. Right.

    6. Re:And if they are any good... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      And it won't matter to them one bit, if they're doing the VPN shell game right.

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    7. Re:And if they are any good... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      ... But in the end, they are still forced to comply or cease operations in that country, wiping their servers and ceasing all physical server presence in Russia. Presumably, they will go through the steps of leaving Russia rather than comply, but they have very little time to do so. That's going to matter at least somewhat to some of them.

    8. Re:And if they are any good... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Then it would be their fault for deciding to set up an a so obviously backwards country in the first place.

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    9. Re:And if they are any good... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I can't tell.... were you just pretending to sound like a xenophobic asshole to troll me, or are you truly as ignorant as you just made yourself sound?

    10. Re:And if they are any good... by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      Suspecting nutso Russian government crackdowns is being a xenophobic asshole? Yeah, no, I don't recommend anyone operate in Russia either.

    11. Re: And if they are any good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when did russia become first world?

      Mahhhhh feeelings. Russia is the motherland!!!

    12. Re: And if they are any good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who gives a fuck about the average joe? Learn it or stfu.

  3. Need a Score Card by jmccue · · Score: 1

    You need a score card to keep up with thier laws these days. I thought VPNs were outlawed in Russia and you had to use the state sponsored one

    1. Re:Need a Score Card by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      And those State Sponsored VPNs are now blocking banned sites.
      Just remember that before you sign up to a free VPN service, thinking your data is going to be so much more secure.

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    2. Re:Need a Score Card by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      We're just getting started. China and Russia have already banned most VPN's. You can bet that New Zealand will be the next to ban them (purely to protect their citizens from white supremacy, of course), followed by an EU-wide ban. Canada and Australia will follow. How long after that before some opportunistic politicians in the U.S. try to follow suite?

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  4. New Zealand by Kunedog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Meanwhile, NZ has already had a blacklist of sites blocked for a while.

    1. Re:New Zealand by Frank+Burly · · Score: 1

      Ah, the infamous "What about New Zealand!" I would have lost a drinking game.

    2. Re:New Zealand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot to mention the EU and upload filters.

      Now your whataboutism may only get to +4 Insightful.

    3. Re:New Zealand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not whataboutism when it's the exact same thing. Whataboutism means bringing up an unrelated negative thing.

    4. Re:New Zealand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did Russia do this as a reaction to NZ's actions? No.
      Would Russia not have done this if NZ didn't do it? Not likely. The Kremlin has been on this course for some time.
      Does it make things better for Russians or for us if we know that people in NZ are affected by black lists as well? No, not really. Things are still crappy for both places, regardless of what the other does.

      Bottom line: It's about as related as citing that there's already plenty of war in Africa to somehow downplay the US invading Iraq on false pretences.
      Which makes it a deflection by pointing the finger at other people and saying: "Hey look, those guys do the same thing! And they've been doing it for longer than I am! Why don't you complain about them? Maybe because they're part of your Five Eyes? What about that?"

    5. Re:New Zealand by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Many countries do. The UK has the secretive "Cleanfeed" system, and the list of blocked sites is not published.

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    6. Re:New Zealand by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Most countries do not have free speech and the right to bare arms, as a Constitutional Amendments. While many countries may have these as rights on the book, they are not fundamental to the government so the governments are allowed more leeway for good or for ill.
      Free Speech and bearing arms The United States 1st and 2nt amendment respectively. Are the two most dangerous things people can have as a right. It isn't unreasonable to think other countries would want to have more control over these. As well many of the people would feel safer with controls on these.

      However like most things political it isn't what they do but why and how they do it.
      Limiting Free Speech to make sure dangerous speech is limited is actually a good thing. But Limiting Free Speech to keep your ideas in power is a bad thing.
       

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    7. Re:New Zealand by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Many countries do. The UK has the secretive "Cleanfeed" system, and the list of blocked sites is not published.

      Such a system however, is stupidly easy to bypass.

      Not even China with all their resources has successfully managed to stop people from reaching banned material.

      Given the current state of things here in the UK, we've got bigger problems to worry about though.

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    8. Re: New Zealand by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      That is separate from government spying. They are blocking VPNs without a back door for the dictator, which has nothing to do with the level of viciousness of "fightin' words".

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    9. Re:New Zealand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even China with all their resources has successfully managed to stop people from reaching banned material.

      Indeed, despite the best efforts of Google to help them get it done, the Chinese people still manage to accomplish a bypass.

    10. Re:New Zealand by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      I think we might be overstating a bit the success that the Chinese people have had against the filters.

    11. Re:New Zealand by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      It's also important to keep in mind the original purpose of whataboutism: to use foreign actions to excuse domestic actions. New Zealand actually is a more sensible focus in some respects, because they are part of the anglosphere, and theoretically share more of our supposed values.

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  5. OpenVPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...can just include a line in their source code with a comment "remove the following line to bypass Russian bullshit".

  6. OpenVPN Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OpenVPN is an OSS package though by the context I assume there is a physical provider with the name somewhere.

    Either way this is an example of why balance is required.

    A truly ethical state could keep us safe from all the bad things, trolls, misinformation/etc, but that kind of power is more likely to be abused, sooner or later. In Russia's case, well its easier to be evil if you control the information.

    What is required instead is a government that establishes rules, but always makes sure the benefits don't exceed the risks.

    A rule that states social media platforms must control news stories providing largely false and misleading information such that the person seeing it is clearly informed why it is false and/or misleading is reasonable. There is no censorship there. The false story can be downvoted, but still there, and if a person sees it they can determine why it was given that rating. That much is reasonable.

    The internet has less value if the signal to noise ratio gets too low...

    Implementing a filter list, on the other hand, is generally not. Site wise, about the best I'd consider is perhaps making sites which provide largely false, misleading or other such objectionable information something you have to click through a warning to get to, but still not filter, unless you request your ISP to do so. Again the presumption is against such things.

    Of course, in the US you should almost get a warning when you try to click on a story by someone like Hannity, but sadly the republican's heads would explode if you suggested such evil censorship of their guy. Still, it be interesting if you saw, on any link something like, "An independent audit of this content has shown that 70% of it is false or misleading, or lacks relevant context."

    1. Re:OpenVPN Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      media platforms must control news stories providing largely false and misleading information such that the person seeing it is clearly informed

      Fool. News is state propaganda designed to deceive you of everything. All the world's media uses the legitimacy of small consequence local stories to convince you the other shit they say is truthful. The purpose of the NEWS is to deceive you about N E W S north, east, west and south, the four corners of your realm. Get an infrared camera, go outside, and start making long distance photography. You'll soon learn that almost everything you've been told is a lie.

    2. Re:OpenVPN Really? by Luckyo · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the Mueller and leftist US mainsteam news media will deliver to you your salvation from evil republicans and Russians they're colluding with. Any day now.

    3. Re:OpenVPN Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the Mueller and leftist US mainsteam news media will deliver to you your salvation from evil republicans and Russians they're colluding with. Any day now.

      First you have a 300-400 page report summarized with I think around 60 of Mueller's actual words. Now assume about 500 words per page, makes the Mueller report around 150-200 thousand words, so you have around 60/175000 = ~0.003 ratio from the actual document, which smells like rotten fish any day of the week. Now Trump may not be guilty of the official constitutional definition of treason, but that's about all we really know.

      He is clearly guilty of everything we know he is guilty of. We saw the obstruction of justice. We saw the stoking of hate, the playing footsie with white supremacists, and yes, if the white supremacists think your one of them, then you are, since that's the only definition that matters where he is. We saw the what many thousands and thousands of lies. We saw the vast and blatant attacks on the fourth estate, a pillar of our nation. We saw the attacks on _Everyone_ who was not currently praising him and his love affair with dictators and murderers.

      Guess what my standards for a leader are a tiny bit higher than not guilty of provable treason. It seems, yours, are not.

      Maybe you should move to North Korea? He seems your kind of guy.

    4. Re:OpenVPN Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We saw the stoking of hate, the playing footsie with white supremacists, and yes, if the white supremacists think your one of them, then you are, since that's the only definition that matters where he is.

      There's a Jew-hating Democrat only lightly denounced by the party because they don't want to dissuade votes from people like that.

      So...by your argument...

    5. Re: OpenVPN Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now calling out an Israeli special interest group is antisemitism? No one would have batted an eye if she wasn't Muslim.

    6. Re:OpenVPN Really? by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      There's a Jew-hating Democrat

      Criticism of Israel and Israel's lobbying practices is not antisemitism.

    7. Re:OpenVPN Really? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      The walls are still closing in!

      Any day now.

  7. Russia is a shithole country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russian is a shithole country and Putin is a banana warlord. Unlike Soviet leaders, that sent cosmonauts into space, all Putin and his oligarchs are doing are stealing and selling off natural resources.

    1. Re:Russia is a shithole country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sent men into space and they didn't return. Guess you prefer that blend of statism and horror.

      Fuck off, slaver. I will literally fuck your asshole into a bloody mess.

    2. Re: Russia is a shithole country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will literally fuck your asshole into a bloody mess.

      And this why men won't go out with you.

    3. Re: Russia is a shithole country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should give the resources back to their rightful owners, the bolshevik big nose dudes

    4. Re: Russia is a shithole country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The country itself is actually really nice. Normal people that are i would say way more friendly than americans as a whole.
      But i cant say i agree with the leadership there on manythings either i can say the same about USA.
      You would know this if you botherd to stop shouting about evil socialism, cheering on Trump and stop waving thath confederate flag u have hanging on your livingroom wall.

  8. Vladimir Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vladimir Putin is a gay sissy boi faggot who loves being down on his knees at least once a week sucking the cum out of his Big Black Cock boyfriend.

    I have seen this happen because I live in Moscow and have been to one of Putin's gay sex parties.

    Fuck that slut Putin he stole that cock from me, fuck him.

    1. Re:Vladimir Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't project yourself on others..

  9. OTIP VPN by UperPoti · · Score: 1

    Does a list of VPNs that support OTIP IPv6 exist?

  10. TorGuard pulled services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This here is the correct response to any country enacting laws that put up barricades on the internet. Simply remove services from that country, let it become an echo chamber island of its own. Glad I gave TorGuard my business and will continue to be a customer into the future.

    1. Re:TorGuard pulled services by BlazeMiskulin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In most cases, I agree with you.

      With regard to VPNs, however, I must disagree. VPNs are a valuable tool in subverting censorship and giving those who live in censored countries access to the information they need to make changes.

      I spent 6 years behind the Great Firewall. I know what it's like to be in a country that controls the internet with a heavy hand. If all the VPNs pulled out it would just bolster the power of the oppressive governments.

      We don't want "echo chambers". We want free and open discourse, the exchange of ideas, and mutual understanding between countries and cultures. The way to overthrow oppressive regimes is to give the citizens access to information, insight, and opinion and let them make their own decisions.

    2. Re:TorGuard pulled services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We don't want "echo chambers". We want free and open discourse.."

      No you don't. I cannot publish on Guardian any comment which in some way accepts the Russian point of view. It gets deleted immediately with the remark that it "violates the community guidelines" or something like this.

      You are just hypocrites, want to attack the statehood of other countries with your "free speech" and "human rights" rant, while you yourself are blocking - de facto though not de jure - any attempt for "free speech" back at your home. And anyone who has been lately in the states tells horror stories about the homeless people on the streets of New York and San Francisco (I suppose this is one of your human rights - to be homeless).

      Add to this your fairy tales about Russian trolls (I am half Russian, living in the west, no one pays me for expressing my opinions, and I know well the value of your "free speech" and "human rights" - no need for any further input from Putin).

    3. Re:TorGuard pulled services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you don't realize that The Guardian is a private institution from Britain. Their rights to free speech on their own platform overrides that of their user base. The same also applies in most Western nations including the US. Private institutions, while not acting very nice, can censor as much as they want.
      You are free to create your own platforms, where your free speech overrides that of the users. If enough people like your opinions, the free market will run its course and your platform may become very popular, possibly rivalling platforms like The Guardian.

      As a half Westerner you ought to know that it's different when governments start to censor however, or if they pressure private institution to censor.
      Then the government starts to censor it will be difficult for you to create your own platforms where you can exercise your rights, since there's no competition to be had with the government. If you compete with them through speech they deemed illegal, they can brand you a criminal for speaking your opinions. They can shut you up by jailing and convicting you. Private institutions can't just do that.

      This makes censorship pushed by the government highly abusable and a lot more concerning than voluntary censorship by private institutions.

    4. Re: TorGuard pulled services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agreed until the utopic free market, free to start your own services, bit. Sure you "can", until everyone colludes to ruin you.

      Loook at what happened to anyone who promoted information outside the expected media channels. Banned, paypal refuses service payments, dns hosting gets all self righteous, Google, fb, any large tech company censors or blocks or steers away visitors from your service.

      This was particuarly noticed in last 1.5 years all because "Russia" and "fake news."

        Now, the russia theory fell apart, but now we are left with censorship and hyper vigilant corps doing the old revolution shaming bit. Associated shaming to remove ideas or content they dont want views on.

      Who is gonna unwind all this corporate censoring of free speech in the USA?

    5. Re:TorGuard pulled services by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      We tried that. We got Brexit and Trump. Why do you think deplatforming and censorship is so popular today?

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    6. Re: TorGuard pulled services by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      I agreed until the utopic free market, free to start your own services, bit. Sure you "can", until everyone colludes to ruin you.

      This is the downside of free speech. Sure, you have "free speech." But "freedom of association" also means people can make judgments about you from your speech and decide you're the sort of person they want to have no interaction with.

    7. Re:TorGuard pulled services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we got Brexit, that's one step away from the EU having total control over the internet in europe. But don't get our hopes up yet - it hasn't happened.

  11. They Blocked My VPN by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just great! They blocked my VPN provider. Now how am I going to, um, hmmm, ... ah, never mind.

    On a serious note I hope that something happens that the people of Russia can start getting their freedoms back.

    1. Re:They Blocked My VPN by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe they will have a revolution next October.

    2. Re:They Blocked My VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that you will start getting your "freedom" back. With same results which you hope for in Russia.

    3. Re:They Blocked My VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I hope that something happens that the people of USA can start getting their "freedoms" back, with same results which you hope for in Russia.

    4. Re:They Blocked My VPN by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Lol, no your freedoms are long gone buddy. Does America feel 'GREAT' yet?

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    5. Re:They Blocked My VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't start anything targeting Russia just before winter.

      The Swedes learned this lesson.
      Napoleon learned this lesson.
      The Nazis learned this lesson.

      Must we, yet again, learn it the hard way?

    6. Re: They Blocked My VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, but, but, global warming

  12. VPN is now just another ISP? by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    NZ and the UK will demand all VPN service take on their growing gov site ban too?
    To ban a VPN?
    To find out who in a UK, NZ is paying by CC for a VPN service that is not gov approved?
    The nations with growing "pirate domains" to ban?

    Tell every VPN that still wants to get CC payments/to bank in that nation to ban "pirate domains"?

    Political sites? Video sites? Conservative news sites? Financial websites?
    Do faith groups and cults get to ban sites too? Got some DRM sites to ban too?

    Once nations see a VPN as just another ISP to regulate its time for a new internet.
    A crypto, P2P, onion routing network that's able to escape any gov lists and bans.

    Back to some US freedom of speech and US freedom after speech online.

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    1. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      A crypto, P2P, onion routing network that's able to escape any gov lists and bans.

      Still has to go through your ISP. They can block the protocols, ports, etc.

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    2. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no, you connect directly to the onion, which is hidden in your garden.

    3. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Governments will just do more and more "pirate domains" bans.
      Now VPN services have to accept national gov ban lists?
      NZ has its sites to ban.
      The internet needs something better to get past nations bans.

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    4. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The internet needs something better to get past nations bans.

      Yes it does. Whaddawe gonna do?

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    5. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      ISP have blocked ports and protocol in order to stop piracy or other illegal communications between individuals since the 90s. It never worked. What makes you think they will be able to block someone from accessing a particular website? Look at a site like the Daily Stormer. Pretty much everyone is banning it. It doesn't change that anyone interested can still access it without any difficulty.

      For now, blocking websites kind of work because very few people care to use solutions to bypass those blocks. However, the more governments will try to censor things, the more people will use those solutions.

    6. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do business in a country, you must comply with that country's laws. It's a simple concept.

    7. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Support organizations like the EFF and ACLU?

    8. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      We know you have to comply with a dictator in a dictatorship. That's the whole problem, and why things like VPN and TOR exist.

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    9. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The ISP can use whitelists to pass through authorized communications and block everything else. The public relations issues holding them back is but a speed bump. Bypassing the ISP entirely is our only hope for open secure communications. We have to make our own, a real P2P and multicast network, well distributed for robustness against all interference.

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    10. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Eh, legislation works, when you have guns. We need to support the engineers to develop robust technology to accompany that legislation. Then maybe we can drop the guns.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    11. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      They can, but then the circumvention systems switch to modes which disguise their traffic as something legitimate. Eventually the only way to stop the people circumventing filtering is to make that filtering so strict that over-blocking becomes commonplace, at which point even those who do not care to view subversive material will start to complain that their perfectly legal activities are frequently being blocked.

    12. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're going to use the utilities, you're going to have to go through an ISP.
      Unless you think you're going to do this over wireless, in which case any robust network will be easily traceable, and you'll find yourself on the wrong side of the FCC really quickly.

    13. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we'll need decoys and mobility. Extreme circumstances will call for extreme countermeasures.

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  13. Fine byme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they get racist shit off the internet

    1. Re: Fine byme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh?

  14. DNC take note! by Just+A+Gigolo · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should ask if you can get your email-servers on that blacklist too? :)

  15. Sending Americans into space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because you cant even do it for yourselves...lol

  16. Coming to America, Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America has always been just a decade behind Europe in its oppression of the people. This is intentional, as it often makes steps towards that oppression seem "not so bad."

    "Hey it's not like Europe or Russia" and American sheep just swallow it up.

    $stuff control arguments are often laced with "hey you know it's a lot worse for you everywhere else in the world."

    $stuff control is never about $stuff. It's about control.

  17. I would like to see this list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To further build my opinion,
        and backfight sensorship, I sooo would like to see this list of blacklisted sites.
    Anyone?

  18. Good for Russia!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO:

    Internet is full of content that better be banned!!!
    (Especially TOR, VPN services etc.)

    All governments need to be able to select & block any/all content, which they find to be harmful, for the common good of general public/state!!!

    Just look @ who keeps screaming "PRIVACY!!!" all the time, & you always find ANTI-GOVERNMENT (aka) ANARCHISTS!!!
    Real general public is NOT obsessed w/ privacy, unlike they always try to portray/claim!!!
    Who really always obsessed w/ privacy (from government)?
    Criminals!!!

  19. Just VPN into a cloud box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They would just need to setup a box on AWS then remote desktop into it via their VPN. I do this anytime I'm at work and want to do some off-the-books web browsing but not allowed to connect to any VPN's

  20. Important function by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    This underscores how it is a good thing that we have VPN providers to protect us from nations like this. Shut down in Russia, open in Malaysia, no problem!

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  21. Serial commenter by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Also, how long before people flock to the other unmentioned VPN services? Then by the time those get blocked there will be another set of new services yet.

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