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Russia Orders Major VPN Providers To Block 'Banned' Sites (torrentfreak.com)

Russian authorities have ordered ten major VPN providers to begin blocking sites on the country's blacklist. "NordVPN, ExpressVPN, IPVanish and HideMyAss are among those affected," reports TorrentFreak. "TorGuard also received a notification and has pulled its services out of Russia with immediate effect." From the report: During the past few days, telecoms watch Roscomnadzor says it sent compliance notifications to 10 major VPN services with servers inside Russia -- NordVPN, ExpressVPN, TorGuard, IPVanish, VPN Unlimited, VyprVPN, Kaspersky Secure Connection, HideMyAss!, Hola VPN, and OpenVPN. The government agency is demanding that the affected services begin interfacing with the FGIS database, blocking the sites listed within. Several other local companies -- search giant Yandex, Sputnik, Mail.ru, and Rambler -- are already connected to the database and filtering as required.

"In accordance with paragraph 5 of Article 15.8 of the Federal Law No. 149-FZ of 27.07.2006 'On Information, Information Technology and on Protection of Information' hereby we are informing you about the necessity to get connected to the Federal state informational system of the blocked information sources and networks [FGIS] within thirty working days from the receipt [of this notice]," the notice reads. A notice received by TorGuard reveals that the provider was indeed given just under a month to comply. The notice also details the consequences for not doing so, i.e being placed on the blacklist with the rest of the banned sites so it cannot operate in Russia. The demand from Roscomnadzor sent to TorGuard and the other companies also requires that they hand over information to the authorities, including details of their operators and places of business. The notice itself states that for foreign entities, Russian authorities require the full entity name, country of residence, tax number and/or trade register number, postal and email address details, plus other information.

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  1. And if they are any good... by jtrainor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their answer will be "lol no".

    1. Re:And if they are any good... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      And how are they supposed to do that, when the services are within Russia, and under Russian jurisdiction?

    2. Re:And if they are any good... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      To run a VPN efficiently, you should run the company in as many countries as possible. So from Russia, you VPN to your American subsidiary VPN, so traffic is VPN to VPN, it is cheaper because the in country traffic is cheaper. So the local VPN links to no one but their VPN subsidiaries in other countries, who then establish actual traffic. Technically you are only ever establishing network traffic with your offshore subsidiary and they are adhering to the law at that location.

      All you need is one person at that location, to do paperwork and of course rent a server on a server farm as the VPN, how to expand globally, from a small office in one country. All your network contacts are VPN to VPN internationally (all traffic tightly encrypted, with no indication of who to or from) and VPN to the internet only locally.

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    3. Re:And if they are any good... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Interesting

      These companies have servers in Russia, and each will individually either have to comply or cease operations in Russia. It's worth noting that after receiving the notice, TorGuard, one of the ten companies mentioned in the article, has already responded to this,and left Russia of its own accord, since they consider the compliance terms unacceptable for their use case.

    4. Re:And if they are any good... by infolation · · Score: 2

      Users don't need a VPN provider to use a VPN, they need a single-core VPS which can be obtained for the around monthly cost of a VPN and without making a traceable payment.

      Scripts like streisand mean that a user can put together their own VPN server (and Tor OBFS4 private bridge) on a cheap VPS paid with monero.

      How can countries who claim to 'ban VPNs' ever hope to ban every VPS provider in the world?

    5. Re:And if they are any good... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      And it won't matter to them one bit, if they're doing the VPN shell game right.

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    6. Re:And if they are any good... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      ... But in the end, they are still forced to comply or cease operations in that country, wiping their servers and ceasing all physical server presence in Russia. Presumably, they will go through the steps of leaving Russia rather than comply, but they have very little time to do so. That's going to matter at least somewhat to some of them.

    7. Re:And if they are any good... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Then it would be their fault for deciding to set up an a so obviously backwards country in the first place.

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    8. Re:And if they are any good... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I can't tell.... were you just pretending to sound like a xenophobic asshole to troll me, or are you truly as ignorant as you just made yourself sound?

    9. Re:And if they are any good... by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      Suspecting nutso Russian government crackdowns is being a xenophobic asshole? Yeah, no, I don't recommend anyone operate in Russia either.

  2. Need a Score Card by jmccue · · Score: 1

    You need a score card to keep up with thier laws these days. I thought VPNs were outlawed in Russia and you had to use the state sponsored one

    1. Re:Need a Score Card by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      And those State Sponsored VPNs are now blocking banned sites.
      Just remember that before you sign up to a free VPN service, thinking your data is going to be so much more secure.

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    2. Re:Need a Score Card by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      We're just getting started. China and Russia have already banned most VPN's. You can bet that New Zealand will be the next to ban them (purely to protect their citizens from white supremacy, of course), followed by an EU-wide ban. Canada and Australia will follow. How long after that before some opportunistic politicians in the U.S. try to follow suite?

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  3. New Zealand by Kunedog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Meanwhile, NZ has already had a blacklist of sites blocked for a while.

    1. Re:New Zealand by Frank+Burly · · Score: 1

      Ah, the infamous "What about New Zealand!" I would have lost a drinking game.

    2. Re:New Zealand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot to mention the EU and upload filters.

      Now your whataboutism may only get to +4 Insightful.

    3. Re:New Zealand by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Many countries do. The UK has the secretive "Cleanfeed" system, and the list of blocked sites is not published.

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    4. Re:New Zealand by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Most countries do not have free speech and the right to bare arms, as a Constitutional Amendments. While many countries may have these as rights on the book, they are not fundamental to the government so the governments are allowed more leeway for good or for ill.
      Free Speech and bearing arms The United States 1st and 2nt amendment respectively. Are the two most dangerous things people can have as a right. It isn't unreasonable to think other countries would want to have more control over these. As well many of the people would feel safer with controls on these.

      However like most things political it isn't what they do but why and how they do it.
      Limiting Free Speech to make sure dangerous speech is limited is actually a good thing. But Limiting Free Speech to keep your ideas in power is a bad thing.
       

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    5. Re:New Zealand by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Many countries do. The UK has the secretive "Cleanfeed" system, and the list of blocked sites is not published.

      Such a system however, is stupidly easy to bypass.

      Not even China with all their resources has successfully managed to stop people from reaching banned material.

      Given the current state of things here in the UK, we've got bigger problems to worry about though.

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    6. Re: New Zealand by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      That is separate from government spying. They are blocking VPNs without a back door for the dictator, which has nothing to do with the level of viciousness of "fightin' words".

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    7. Re:New Zealand by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      I think we might be overstating a bit the success that the Chinese people have had against the filters.

    8. Re:New Zealand by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      It's also important to keep in mind the original purpose of whataboutism: to use foreign actions to excuse domestic actions. New Zealand actually is a more sensible focus in some respects, because they are part of the anglosphere, and theoretically share more of our supposed values.

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  4. OTIP VPN by UperPoti · · Score: 1

    Does a list of VPNs that support OTIP IPv6 exist?

  5. They Blocked My VPN by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just great! They blocked my VPN provider. Now how am I going to, um, hmmm, ... ah, never mind.

    On a serious note I hope that something happens that the people of Russia can start getting their freedoms back.

    1. Re:They Blocked My VPN by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe they will have a revolution next October.

    2. Re:They Blocked My VPN by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Lol, no your freedoms are long gone buddy. Does America feel 'GREAT' yet?

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  6. Re:TorGuard pulled services by BlazeMiskulin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In most cases, I agree with you.

    With regard to VPNs, however, I must disagree. VPNs are a valuable tool in subverting censorship and giving those who live in censored countries access to the information they need to make changes.

    I spent 6 years behind the Great Firewall. I know what it's like to be in a country that controls the internet with a heavy hand. If all the VPNs pulled out it would just bolster the power of the oppressive governments.

    We don't want "echo chambers". We want free and open discourse, the exchange of ideas, and mutual understanding between countries and cultures. The way to overthrow oppressive regimes is to give the citizens access to information, insight, and opinion and let them make their own decisions.

  7. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    A crypto, P2P, onion routing network that's able to escape any gov lists and bans.

    Still has to go through your ISP. They can block the protocols, ports, etc.

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  8. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Governments will just do more and more "pirate domains" bans.
    Now VPN services have to accept national gov ban lists?
    NZ has its sites to ban.
    The internet needs something better to get past nations bans.

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  9. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    The internet needs something better to get past nations bans.

    Yes it does. Whaddawe gonna do?

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  10. DNC take note! by Just+A+Gigolo · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should ask if you can get your email-servers on that blacklist too? :)

  11. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

    ISP have blocked ports and protocol in order to stop piracy or other illegal communications between individuals since the 90s. It never worked. What makes you think they will be able to block someone from accessing a particular website? Look at a site like the Daily Stormer. Pretty much everyone is banning it. It doesn't change that anyone interested can still access it without any difficulty.

    For now, blocking websites kind of work because very few people care to use solutions to bypass those blocks. However, the more governments will try to censor things, the more people will use those solutions.

  12. Re:TorGuard pulled services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe you don't realize that The Guardian is a private institution from Britain. Their rights to free speech on their own platform overrides that of their user base. The same also applies in most Western nations including the US. Private institutions, while not acting very nice, can censor as much as they want.
    You are free to create your own platforms, where your free speech overrides that of the users. If enough people like your opinions, the free market will run its course and your platform may become very popular, possibly rivalling platforms like The Guardian.

    As a half Westerner you ought to know that it's different when governments start to censor however, or if they pressure private institution to censor.
    Then the government starts to censor it will be difficult for you to create your own platforms where you can exercise your rights, since there's no competition to be had with the government. If you compete with them through speech they deemed illegal, they can brand you a criminal for speaking your opinions. They can shut you up by jailing and convicting you. Private institutions can't just do that.

    This makes censorship pushed by the government highly abusable and a lot more concerning than voluntary censorship by private institutions.

  13. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    We know you have to comply with a dictator in a dictatorship. That's the whole problem, and why things like VPN and TOR exist.

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  14. Important function by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    This underscores how it is a good thing that we have VPN providers to protect us from nations like this. Shut down in Russia, open in Malaysia, no problem!

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  15. Serial commenter by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Also, how long before people flock to the other unmentioned VPN services? Then by the time those get blocked there will be another set of new services yet.

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  16. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    The ISP can use whitelists to pass through authorized communications and block everything else. The public relations issues holding them back is but a speed bump. Bypassing the ISP entirely is our only hope for open secure communications. We have to make our own, a real P2P and multicast network, well distributed for robustness against all interference.

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  17. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Eh, legislation works, when you have guns. We need to support the engineers to develop robust technology to accompany that legislation. Then maybe we can drop the guns.

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  18. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    They can, but then the circumvention systems switch to modes which disguise their traffic as something legitimate. Eventually the only way to stop the people circumventing filtering is to make that filtering so strict that over-blocking becomes commonplace, at which point even those who do not care to view subversive material will start to complain that their perfectly legal activities are frequently being blocked.

  19. Re:TorGuard pulled services by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    We tried that. We got Brexit and Trump. Why do you think deplatforming and censorship is so popular today?

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  20. Re:OpenVPN Really? by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

    There's a Jew-hating Democrat

    Criticism of Israel and Israel's lobbying practices is not antisemitism.

  21. Re: TorGuard pulled services by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

    I agreed until the utopic free market, free to start your own services, bit. Sure you "can", until everyone colludes to ruin you.

    This is the downside of free speech. Sure, you have "free speech." But "freedom of association" also means people can make judgments about you from your speech and decide you're the sort of person they want to have no interaction with.

  22. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

    Well, if you're going to use the utilities, you're going to have to go through an ISP.
    Unless you think you're going to do this over wireless, in which case any robust network will be easily traceable, and you'll find yourself on the wrong side of the FCC really quickly.

  23. Re:VPN is now just another ISP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Yeah, we'll need decoys and mobility. Extreme circumstances will call for extreme countermeasures.

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  24. Re:OpenVPN Really? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    The walls are still closing in!

    Any day now.