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Cloudflare Says Its New VPN Service Won't Slow You Down (wired.com)
Cloudflare has announced that it's adding a VPN service to its 1.1.1.1 DNS resolver app. The 1.1.1.1 service, which first came to mobile back in November, currently attempts to speed up mobile data speeds by using Cloudflare's network to resolve DNS queries faster than your existing mobile network. From a report: "We wanted to build a VPN service that my dad would install on his phone," says Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince. "If you tell him that it will make his connection more private and secure, he'd never do it. But if you tell him it will make his connection faster, make his phone's battery last longer, and make his connections more private, then it would be something he'd install."
Mobile phone users can begin signing up for the service, dubbed Warp, through Cloudflare's mobile app 1.1.1.1 on Monday; Cloudflare says it hopes the service is working Monday, but it might take a few days. Regardless, Warp is a sign of things to come for the rest of the internet. The technology that Cloudflare is betting will make Warp fast is a protocol invented by Google called QUIC, and it could one day make the rest of the internet faster and more reliable. QUIC is essentially a substitute for TCP, the venerable protocol now used for most internet connections. TCP, introduced in 1981, made reliable internet connections possible, says Jana Iyengar, who worked on QUIC for Google; Iyengar is now a distinguished engineer at the cloud computing company Fastly working to help finalize QUIC with the Internet Engineering Task Force standards body.
Mobile phone users can begin signing up for the service, dubbed Warp, through Cloudflare's mobile app 1.1.1.1 on Monday; Cloudflare says it hopes the service is working Monday, but it might take a few days. Regardless, Warp is a sign of things to come for the rest of the internet. The technology that Cloudflare is betting will make Warp fast is a protocol invented by Google called QUIC, and it could one day make the rest of the internet faster and more reliable. QUIC is essentially a substitute for TCP, the venerable protocol now used for most internet connections. TCP, introduced in 1981, made reliable internet connections possible, says Jana Iyengar, who worked on QUIC for Google; Iyengar is now a distinguished engineer at the cloud computing company Fastly working to help finalize QUIC with the Internet Engineering Task Force standards body.
> "If you tell him that it will make his connection more private and secure, he'd never do it. But if you tell him it will make his connection faster"
So they see no value in security or privacy. Also, they are one of the silicon valley pro-censorship stalwarts.
This is a VN, with no P.
No thanks.
NordVPN for the win (which uses OpenVPN and can be used completely without the NordVPN apps)....
But you have to get the adblocking version on Nord's website. Google, in their infinite wisdom, doesn't allow adblocking apps to be hosted on their app store.
If Google is behind anything, you can bet it will have a way to serve you ads no matter what else it does. And that is a security risk. They will always chose profits over customer safety.
It is a gigantic honeypot.
GENERATION 26: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation.
"more private and secure" by running all of your traffic through Cloudflare!
I just shot water out of my nose. Funniest thing I read all day.
I don't respond to AC's.
resilient against attack? Were you even alive in the 90s? The internet then had all of the problems of today and many more that we've had to hack fixes for.
I run a VPN on my phone already and I notice that there is substantially more battery usage with it than without. It makes sense: You're taking all that data and encrypting it. I don't know how you could encrypt the data and use LESS battery?
Anyone have an idea?
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
A company spokesman elaborated on their promises by affirm the company would “Never gonna give you up. Never gonna let you down. Never gonna run around and desert you.”
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
April fool!
No sig today...
A guy who, by his own admission, woke up one morning and decided he didn't like what some people were saying on the Internet and decided to use his company to wipe them off the Web now wants us to trust his company with our privacy. Are you fucking kidding me you utter moron?
All the finely-tuned network stacks out there are basically being thrown out the window... congestion management, buffering/resend, parsing, etc. are all being re-written into the QUIC protocol. The spec is so large that they had split it up into several smaller specs -- to start, things are going to be buggy, incompatible, and perform poorly. QUIC makes me nervous.
And Google's QUIC, which was very HTTP focused, is almost unrecognizable now that it's gone through IETF, where it was split into the two protocols HTTP/3, and the generic multi-stream transport QUIC.
Hey, remember that time Level-3 and Cogent had disputes and split their links, effectively making two internets!? Yeah! That was GREAT!
Already googles accelerated server pages don't work on all browsers. Even sites like Reddit are using this. THe other day a Reddit site would not work on safari for me. Needed to install chrome.
hyperlinks that only work when you are logged into facebook and have facebook user permissions to view the page are becoming the norm.
the world wide web is getting stove piped into cable companies. Not a web anymore.
Now we get a transport protocol that requires specialized drivers or browsers to use.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
The technology that Cloudflare is betting will make Warp fast is a protocol invented by Google called QUIC, and it could one day make the rest of the internet faster and more reliable.
Most operators I know are blocking QUIC because it's way too aggressive.
When a single QUIC session intentionally consumes twice the bandwidth of the sum total of 20 TCP sessions over a bandwidth constrained link Huston we have a problem. Not a small problem but a massive unsustainable one.
If you consider private to mean between you and the site you wanted to reach, then no. It's not private. If you want to welcome Cloudflare to have access to this data, you can have that - but you can't call it private.
On the other hand, QUIC was carefully designed with all the past experience of network protocol failures. So it tries very hard to avoid even the possibility of ossification.
TCP is bad because it's basically set in stone. It's not possible to change a single bit in the TCP/IP spec without breaking untold millions of badly designed middleboxes.
Anyone tested this on the dark side of the planet yet?
Actually, you're encrypted from your network to the VPN server. Owned by CloudFlare. Then it decrypts and exits kind of like ToR which is why the US government runs tons of exit nodes. You do know how a VPN and tunneling works right?
It will also add encryption from your device to the edge of Cloudflare's network for traffic that is not fully encrypted.
It is literally talking about https and non https web shit. Anything else done and all of your DNS queries can be recorded. You are not reading through the legalese. You must not understand how the data transfer works, and are their prime target. GLHF. Just don't tell others their wrong.
I never claimed they could see everything you do. I was simply stating you were wrong about it being private and then went on to show the flaws in your theory.