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Mozilla Will Run Two Experiments This Month With Firefox To Explore Ways To Fight Push Notification Permission Spam (zdnet.com)
Mozilla said this week that it intends to run two experiments over the course of this month to determine the most adequate way of dealing with push notification spam, a growing problem that is slowly deteriorating the web experience for everyone. From a report: The experiments will run in Firefox Nightly (v68) and Firefox Beta (v67). The Firefox Nightly experiment will run from April 1 to April 29. During this time, Mozilla said Firefox Nightly would only allow websites to show a push notification permission only after the user has clicked or pressed a key while on a website. All attempts to show a push notification permission request before a click or key press will be blocked by default. [...] In the last two weeks of the experiment, Firefox will show an icon in the URL bar, but with no visible popup on the page. Users can click this icon and accept any push notification permission requests if they wish so. Further reading: Mozilla and Scroll Partner To Test Alternative Funding Models for the Web.
What are they used for? That isn't spamming with info you already know
Also, they stop if you close the tab anyways.
http://progressquest.com/spoltog.php?name=Son+Of+Son+Of+DarkRookie
Stop allowing websites to pop up anything, every. Seriously. For fuck sakes.
Why is this hard to understand?
"His name was James Damore."
Firefox to the rescue again!
How about just admitting that "push notifications" are a bad idea?
-of blocking all of the sites that do this.
Just remove the "feature" from Firefox.... problem solved.
I don't have too much of a problem with push notifications, it is those videos I want stopped. some you have to wait for it to download before you can do anything with it, some you have to look for on a page because you hear it and not see it, some blocks what you are trying to read because it won't close.
Then there are those sites that constantly bomb you with their subscription popups. how about stopping those too. maybe if they stop the notification ones, it will stop those.
Problem solved. See how simple that was? Do you need notifications in your browser: No, not unless you're trying to use a browser as an application engine, which is your first mistake; Everything after that is just more calamity.
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Stop adding bloat to the specification that just adds more ways for advertrackers to steal your hardware resources. If I was in charge I would go back to HTML4 with just the video tag added.. All this bloat makes browser engines complicated which is why everyone is just cloning chrome instead of making their own engines.
...you mean like Firefox's nagging about updating?
I understand the initial naivete, circa 1995 with popups. The web was new, developers didn't really understand how malicious people would turn something like a popup into, etc. It took a while, but we fixed that.
But who approved this garbage feature in the teens? Anyone making a browser around 2014 when I first encountered this "feature" should have realized how it can be abused. I still occasionally get this garbage, and don't recall ever clicking "yes" to enable it.
To inform us about this change. Man, talk about getting blindsided.
There, make that the default (again). That was easy.
Add these to your "user.js" file:
user_pref("dom.push.enabled", false);
user_pref("dom.webnotifications.enabled", false);
Optionally these too (may be redundant with above):
user_pref("dom.push.alwaysConnect", false);
user_pref("dom.push.connection.enabled", false);
user_pref("dom.webnotifications.serviceworker.enabled", false);
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
I NEVER want PUSH NOTIFICAITONS FROM ANY SITE. Where is that option as a global?
That way, i can activelly get notifications from a site if i want, but it's non-intrusive otherwise.
Actually i would do that for all "extra" services, like location, browser signature, cookies, etc... aka only allow what the user activelly selects to share / consume.
I have never seen a push notification on any browser.
TFA pops up "Will you all www.zdnet.com to send notifications?" in an article about how the things are so hateful Firefox is rolling out a way to stop them. While they can be easily ignored, I've never once clicked "yes" and can't imagine doing so. Stopping them is a feature I'd enable.
I want to see web sites stop popping up their crappy interstitial pages I have to click through to get to contact, almost all of which implore me to subscribe to their stupid e-mail lists (not happening, ever, specifically because of how they pushed).
I want to see websites stop forcing me through "OMG LOOK AT ALL OUR NEW FEATURES" slides every time I log in.
Put a lil.
A lil.
Flashing thing on the side or something. But get the fuck out of my face.
ALL autoplay bullshit must end (fuck you cnn.com. I mean fuck you for about a hundred other reasons but especially fuck you for that.)
The sheer number of browser extensions I install to try to protect what is left of my privacy and stop apeshit web developers from engaging in screen bukkake has become absurd.
This is not what the Web was supposed to be.
And *yes*, I would be fine with about 2/3rds of the damn Web collapsing for want of ad revenue if what was left was clean and user-friendly. I have reached that point.
I'M MAD PEOPLE.
A CRAZY, MAD, WILD-EYED, BIG-BOTTOMED ANARCHIST.
I WAS HERE EARLY AND YOU WILL HEAR ME.
(they will not hear me. no need to point that out.)
...because I have never, ever allowed a website to serve me push notifications. And I never expect to. Period. Full stop.
Yea, Mozilla! Doing God's Work!!!!
I would just take a browser wide option to disable them, I'm fairly sure I always refused... unless I made a mistake, which forced me to hunt the option and revoke the permission.
Also, the other modern plague is ANY automatically playing video, bonus points if the audio is not muted - there are a couple of sites that got kicked out of my bookmarks for this.
How's life in the hypocrite lane?
So, what notifications do you allow?
Those cookie consent popups existed before GDPR and they decrease privacy rather than increase it. They annoy people who delete cookies frequently, in order to convince them not to delete cookies. It seems to me that this is by design. The big tech companies must be happy with this arrangement, which they probably helped create, precisely because of this side effect.
The real solution to this is to fork the web.
Seriously. It is time to codify the TECHNICAL (not social) boundaries we expect to have, and either modify existing code to fit, or write it from scratch.
Devuan's April Fool's joke was running a 'hacked' webpage and pointing everyone to a gopher version of their main web page. Honestly it worked quite well in lynx, although it was converting it all into html for display.
While the original gopher protocol is sadly constrained due to 1 character filetype choices, the potential is there for lots of content over display oriented protocols, something which HTML has been utterly perverted away from. (For those too young to remember, HTML was intended as a DISPLAY AGNOSTIC METHOD OF INFORMATION TRANSFER. HTML5 and Javascript-mandatory pages are the ultimate and final perversion away from that.)
Furthermore eliminating Javascript and returning to text, rather than script, oriented generation and processing of a page would dramatically speed up the capabilities of any expert systems or 'AI' systems attempting to learn and explore the publicly accessable web. The fear I have is a future where privacy is dead, all information is paywalled, and the only AIs on the planet are controlled by wealthy authoritarians to keep us plebs in our place. Two out of the three are almost there, and without a major social push to change it, our collective freedom will be shackled away from us, through methods both visible today and only discovered or understood tomorrow.
Do your part for a brighter future, or prepare for something that is even worse than a cyberpunk dystopia.
Why use calendar/email that isn't compatible with the platform you use and vice-versa?
Because an outside factor has suddenly imposed a specific "platform you use" on you. How practical is it for a user to switch to a completely different calendar/email provider every time the user changes operating system?
And do all operating systems even have calendar software? Could, say, a user of the operating system called "Xbox One system software" use a calendaring application to schedule online play dates with another Xbox Live subscriber?
Why use a work computer for personal business?
For one thing, break time exists. For another, not having permission to install applications does not necessarily imply use of a work computer for personal business. Many especially larger companies' IT departments are so dysfunctionally lethargic that they have built a record of taking the most blame for other employees not being able to complete projects on time due to lack of authorization to install required applications. What should an employee who discovers this deep dysfunction do while polishing his or her resume?
In many of these cases, dysfunctional IT has blocked the use of work devices to run even work applications for work purposes in a timely manner. IT has imposed a two-week waiting period for work-related native applications or a zero waiting period for work-related web applications. This means end users are likely to do one of two things: use web applications, or bring personal devices just to be able to accomplish their work. How responsible would it be for IT to allow this dysfunction to continue to happen?
Here's an idea.
Remove the functionality?
There's literally no useful purpose for push notifications from your browser, in the first place.