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The Nations of the Amazon Want the Name Back (bbc.com)

Online retail giant Amazon and the governments of eight South American countries have been given a final deadline to reach an agreement over how to use the ".amazon" web address extension after a seven-year dispute. From a report: What will happen next? It's a name that evokes epic proportions: the world's largest rainforest; a global tech company; and now a diplomatic saga nearing its end. This is the battle of the Amazon and it starts back in 2012. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), the body that polices the world wide web's address system, decided to expand its list of generic top-level domains (gTLD) - the bit that comes after the dot in a web address. The new rules allowed companies to apply for brand new extensions, offering internet users and businesses more ways to personalise their website name and addresses. But eight countries containing the Amazon rainforest objected to the retail giant's plans concerning the new .amazon domain name.

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  1. The Nations of the Amazon Want the Name Back by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

    Jeff Bezos had this problem all worked out until his wife got the money he was going to use to buy those countries outright.

  2. Still dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still think all these new TLDs are a stupid idea.

    1. Re:Still dumb by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      I still think all these new TLDs are a stupid idea.

      I agree completely. Now that *.tld and *.*.tld are no longer enough, we have *.*.*

      Might as well just get rid of the dots entirely.

    2. Re:Still dumb by msauve · · Score: 1

      "Might as well just get rid of the dots entirely."

      If we're just going to use hostnames, I claim "loopback"!

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    3. Re:Still dumb by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Might as well go back to AOL Keywords.

    4. Re:Still dumb by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      You already have it.

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    5. Re:Still dumb by msauve · · Score: 2

      Yep. But now I can make you stop using it.

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    6. Re:Still dumb by kingbilly · · Score: 1

      I'm not too fond of any of them. How many people care if it's a .com or .org or .countrycode?

      I think that number is low. Much lower than the companies who paid for the new TLDs were hoping. Looking at my wife, my siblings, my parents, etc browsing habits, I don't think they even know what website they are on half the time. They primarily reach a website from a social media post, or from a Google search. Heck, on my phone I am guilty of this. The last dozen searches for a recipe, I used a Google search and never paid attention to what URL I was visiting. Once I found the recipe that seemed good for my intentions (least leftover exotic ingredients), I just screenshot it and closed the browser.

      I'm thinking the average person doesn't care, or notice.

      Additional trivia, I posted about this once, on a blog, and a registrar replied and said such and such big name brands were using the new TLD's. So what? I searched those 3 brand names on Google and found that the 3 brands still used the .com as their website. Two of them simply redirected the new TLD to the .com, the third didn't even renew the new TLD. Obviously the registrar was blowing sunshine up my butt since they are in the business of convincing people to overpay for domain names. But still, if you find any blog articles from a few years ago about what new TLD's were picked up, I have found that if you go through the list, about 50% of them are no longer in use. All fluff. Again, see my first paragraph (not the parent, I already agree with you). Your average visitor, and therefore customer, doesn't give a shit. They arrive at websites from social media, or search engines. Not because they thought, "you know what let me just see if https://cars.research/ exists because I am in the market for a new car".

    7. Re:Still dumb by Chelloveck · · Score: 2

      Chuck out the gTLDs. Yes, all of them. Go to using ccTLDs only. This very clearly defines jurisdictions in which to settle disputes. Countries can manage their TLDs any way they like. Tuvalu wants to make a buck selling *.tv to all comers? Let 'em. North Korea wants to limit *.kp to only government-approved outlets? More power to them. Some huge megacorp wants to flaunt a global online presence? They can jolly well negotiate for a name with each individual country's TLD.

      Works out for everyone. Well, except ICANN, who can't squeeze money from people for vanity TLDs any more. Sucks to be them.

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    8. Re:Still dumb by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Of course it is, it's revenue farming.

      Cocacola.com will of COURSE not let cocacola.amazon fall into anyone's hands, so essentially opening a new TLD means all the big name domains are nearly guaranteed to simply cough up the $ to grab their same moniker on all the new TLDs. It's like free money.

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  3. Re:Considering that those nations are busy destroy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As far as I am concerned, neither Amazon (the business) nor these 8 countries have any automatic right to domain names that contain the word amazon. The first to apply should get and get to keep the domain name. Just like Microsoft should not have been able to take over domain names containing the word microsoft from their original owners!

  4. Give them ".theamazon" instead by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or something similar. Problem solved.

    1. Re:Give them ".theamazon" instead by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      ".amazonjungle" The Amazon Jungle isn't a country, it's a jungle

    2. Re:Give them ".theamazon" instead by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Or maybe the Bezos entity could get ".prime", and rename itself (it's been pretty much rebranding everything as Prime lately. Amazon phones, Amazon streaming services including the ones for movies you've bought separately, etc...)

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    3. Re:Give them ".theamazon" instead by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      .theRealAmazon

    4. Re: Give them ".theamazon" instead by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      ICANN started authorizing more TLDs than those because all the sensible ones were used up, ya dummy.

  5. Take the third option by Experiment+626 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The near eastern warrior women were Amazons a couple millennia before some web site was founded or rivers in the New World started getting European names.

  6. geographical designators by RLBrown · · Score: 5, Funny

    Traditionally, TLDs have been used to either designate a general usage category, e.g. commercial, education, military, government, and so forth, or designate a geographic area of origin, e.g. us, ch, de, and so forth. The geographical designator has been abused, for example, the use of the "tv" designation. However, if we keep with this tradition, then obviously the "amazon" domain can only refer to the geographical region of Themyscira, which by a very long period predates the usage in southern new world continent.

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  7. Re:Considering that those nations are busy destroy by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering that Amazon comes from ancient Greek, and refers to a tribe of women warriers, I'd say it's "first come, first served." The countries simply don't have any better claim to use of the word than the company.

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  8. Peers by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is always kinda scary to see individual companies acting as peers or even superiors to entire nations like this. The idea of a single private entity getting an entire gTLD for its own private use instead of it going to a general usage or geographic region should have been laughed out of the suggestion box. While I am not surprised that ICANN seriously entertained the idea, I am annoyed.

    1. Re:Peers by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Depends. Did they attempt to register it? Or are they just upset that someone else did and registered in protest. Frankly a rainforest does not deserve a donation name over an internet giant. And conversely the same applies to Amazon if they wanted to build a distribution centre in the actual Amazon.

  9. Re:Considering that those nations are busy destroy by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    So really, the residents of Lesbos should have first kick at the can.

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  10. Re:Why does Amazon want such a long TLD anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even if they did get the .amazon TLD, what would the URL for the shop then be? "amazon.amazon"? Would what is now something like "amazon.co.jp" become "japan.amazon"?

    Or are they going for something like "books.amazon" or "screwextractors.amazon" or "sexbots.amazon"?

    "washingtonpost.amazon"

  11. Re:Considering that those nations are busy destroy by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Amazon, the company in the US, the book shop, the retailer, is not the only company called amazon.

    http://www.pttmcc.com/new/cafe...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The coffee they offer is actually quite good.

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  12. Re:.amazon has to go to the region by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Anyone can apply for a TLD as long as you own any applicable copyright. In case the TLD covers a geographic region, the ICANN panel determines if the domain should be under governmental control: apparently there is a sub-board that looks at this stuff. That is clearly the case for national TLDs, might also be the case for TLDs covering states or provinces that have their own governments. It is much less clear in this case, with the TLD covering a somewhat arbitrary geographic region that spans 8 countries. Does their case have more merit than of a large, established corporation with clear copyright on the name, when the name itself comes from ancient Greece? I think the panel made the right decision to see if both parties could come to some sort of agreement. But if no agreement is reached, it seems fairer to award the TLD to the company with a clear plan and clear business case for using the name, as opposed to these disjoint government whose "claim" amounts to something something tourism sovereignty.

    However I love how Amazon tried to buy off those countries with a couple of free Kindles...

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  13. They aren't prime by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Do any of those Amazonian countries offer 2-day prime shipping? I think not.

    1. Re:They aren't prime by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Yes, Brazil does, that was one of the first reforms their otherwise Trumpian new President introduced when he came into office. Brazil will also give you a credit of $1.99 towards a digital purchase if you decline the two day shipping offer.

      Bolivia doesn't do it, but they will give you free supersaver shipping as long as you spend $25 or more.

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  14. Re:Considering that those nations are busy destroy by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    Well, no, the Amazons weren't Lesbians (well, some of them may have been lesbians, but they weren't from Lesbos). In fact, they weren't even Greek, "Amazon" was simply the Greek name for them. Supposedly they originally came from Lybia but migrated to Anatolia (modern Turkey, before the Turks took it over). The general modern opinion is that they were in fact a Greek myth. Unfortunately, the fun etymology that "amazon" derives from the ancient Greek "a-mazos" "without a breast" seems to be false.

  15. Re:Considering that those nations are busy destroy by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    Considering that Amazon comes from ancient Greek, and refers to a tribe of women warriers, I'd say it's "first come, first served."

    Why should the Greeks name a river in South America?

    Just rename the river. What do the Yanomamis and their pals call it . . . ?

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  16. Rename the company Nile by turp182 · · Score: 1

    Longest river in the world, #1!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  17. Re:Considering that those nations are busy destroy by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

    No need to change the name, because none of the countries that have the Amazon river call it that, since they don't speak English. It's el río Amazonas. They can register that .amazonas gTLD.

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  18. It's nothing new by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    see here. It's been like this since trade became a thing.

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    1. Re:It's nothing new by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      see here. It's been like this since trade became a thing.

      Indeed. It was much worse in the past, when companies raised armies and waged war in their own name.

      Today's multinationals are toothless compared to their predecessors.

  19. ÂHablan inglés? by TinyTheBrontosaurus · · Score: 1

    so there's a bunch of Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries that want to have the English spelling in their TLD? why don't they fight over .amazonas or .amazona?

  20. Anyone can have a gTLD. by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    Anyone can have a gTLD.

    You could apply for, and receive, *.jythie if you want.

    Why? Because its a money making scheme, that's why. gTLDs force companies down this path where they either try to protect their trademark or have it trampled over. In return registrars generate millions of dollars registering gTLDs that aren't even used

  21. Re:Considering that those nations are busy destroy by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    The general modern opinion is that they were in fact a Greek myth.

    Perhaps among those who haven't heard of the Scythians and their female horse archers.

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  22. scorchio by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It's ethethetheth or something like that. Viva El Presidente!

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