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YouTube Disabled Comments On Livestreams Of A Congressional Hearing On White Nationalism Because They Were Too Hateful (buzzfeednews.com)

Tuesday's hearing was meant to examine the rise of white nationalism and white supremacy and the role social media plays in its spread. Then the comments got hijacked. From a report: YouTube moderators disabled comments on livestreams of the House Judiciary Committee's hearing about hate crimes the rise of white nationalism on Tuesday, deeming them too hateful for the platform. The comment sections quickly flooded with hate speech and white nationalist memes before the hearing had even started. The comments included derogatory remarks about women on camera, anti-Semitic slurs, far-right memes with references to "white genocide," and pro-Trump slogans. The channels' comments sections were deactivated within an hour. [...] YouTube's disabling of comments is ironic: House Judiciary Committee Chair Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat from New York, made special reference in his opening statement of the role social media platforms play in spreading hate speech and extremism in his opening statement.

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  1. Re:Why this one video by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know if these "You Tube Moderators" have looked around much, but you can find hateful comments on pretty much any video. Why block comments on just this one?

    If YouTube wants to block "hateful comments" why do they allow comments anywhere?

    Because the quantity and hatefulness blew the scale?

  2. And? by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Funny

    So it looked like the typical slashdot post comments then?

  3. Dumb-but-serious question... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I understand what a "white supremacist" is. I understand what a "French Nationalist", or a "Argentinian Nationalist" would be. However, the term "White Nationalist" is semantically and massively wrong (but then, so would "Black Nationalist" or "Asian Nationalist"...) After all, what nation is titled as "White"?

    I get that stamping out racism is a good thing, but seriously, folks - at least don't mangle the language while you do it.

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    1. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, the term "White Nationalist" is semantically and massively wrong (but then, so would "Black Nationalist" or "Asian Nationalist"...) After all, what nation is titled as "White"?

      If someone was a nationalist, and thought their nation should be solely or dominantly one race, would it not be semantically and massively correctly to refer to them as a "[Race] Nationalist"?

      (Race being not a biological category, as humans are a single species, but a reference to skin color, geographical ancestry, or religion.)

  4. Re:Why this one video by BringsApples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems proper to me. Here they are, the big-wigs meeting about the role that social media plays in fueling hate. YouTube, a social media platform would be super stupid to NOT turn off the hate in such a situation.

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  5. They should see Starcraft II general chat! by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously .... it's amazingly bad, how often online conversations or comments on social media devolve into utter garbage. I imagine in this instance, it was egged on because of the political topic of discussion. Furthermore? I'm fairly confident the vast majority of "white supremacist" comments were made by teenagers trying to get a rise out of people.

    I mean, sure -- you really DO have these racist hate groups around. But they're generally rather disorganized or lack enough membership to do anything significant. You have FAR more people who are just angry and like to talk trash than you do people who are truly committed to promoting neo-nazis or some kind of white supremacy movement.

    1. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, actually, if you march carrying torches at night shouting Nazi slogans, then yes, you are a Nazi. Mike Godwin himself, author of that law, came out and publicly said "Go right ahead and call them Nazis, because they are!" AC

    2. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by mcmonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Guys, nobody is a Nazi.

      You generally have a good point, but the people marching with torches chanting "the Jews will not replace us" are nazis.

      Not everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi. Nor is everyone more conservative than I am or everyone who believes negative stereotypes based on skin color or religion.

      But that does not mean there are no nazis.

  6. The timing on this is almost perfect. by slappynipsy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's nearly the 10 year anniversary of John Gabriel's groundbreaking theory. https://www.penny-arcade.com/c...

  7. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the same reason the Government uses newspapers to advertise and TV networks for televised addresses. Just because the government can use private companies for providing services does not mean that private companies suddenly become branches of the government, and bound to the first Amendments.

    Jesus Christ, the utter lack of understanding on the part of some here just astonishes. This black and white thinking, this inability to comprehend nuance or complexity, and the fundamental ignorance that gets married to it, so that your lack of knowledge gets coupled with astonishing arrogance, that you become blind to how things are actually supposed to work.

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  8. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As usual, the dullards miss the teeny, tiny caveat to the First Amendment. It only applies to the government.

    As has been stated who knows how many times, a company is free to limit free speech if it so chooses. This is no different than if a casino doesn't want to provide service to someone. It's their property, their rules. Same with YouTube.

    It has nothing to do with being an "enemy" of the U.S. It has to do with a company doing what it wants on its platform. Don't like it? Don't frequent YouTube.

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  9. Re:Why this one video by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh that's hilarious. Truly hateful speech invalidates itself. It's why conservatives love it when totalitarians of all stripes open up their mouths.
    I would guess it's more a case of far too many accurate comments and questions.

    Examples:
    How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr ?
    If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?
    Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor ?

  10. Re:Why this one video by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative
    I don't see any of those examples being removed from the comment section of Youtube.

    The removed comments are a lot more disturbing, stuff like Heil Hitler posts & death threats.

  11. Re: Why this one video by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No federally elected Democrat is arguing that,

    Multiple elected Democrats in the House and Senate are for totally open borders and minimum wage at $15.

    Just the facts, man.

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  12. Interesting... by Big+Boss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it amusing and interesting that the "conservatives" want businesses to have rights and religion when they are discriminating against gays, but freak out when some business decides they don't want said "conservatives" as a customer.

    It's a bit like the "tolerance" groups that only have tolerance for the groups/religions/etc. THEY like.

    Left/Right, D/R, doesn't matter. They are all stupid. :)

  13. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by shanen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmm... I'm not certain. I am convinced that Trump thinks HE himself is (genetically and presidentially and otherwise) superior, but I think it is mostly at a personal, familial level rather than at a racial level. Rather I suspect Trump is so solipsistic that he has no real feelings about groups as such. Therefore I think Trump can be played by the racists, but he isn't nearly as sincere about it as Miller and Bannon. I think Trump has always been a puppet, and the only trick to pulling his strings is to convince Trump it was his idea in the first place. As long as you are pushing him from behind, Trump thinks he's leading.

    Having said that, I do have to agree that there is plenty of racist stuff in Trump's past. The Central Park Jogger stuff is especially bad, but there was some less racist stuff mixed in, too. For example, if a black celebrity could help him make some money, then Trump was much more concerned about the money than the race.

    I just don't think Trump was smart enough to come up with the idea of the Department of White Homeland Security, and his willingness is not that important. In fact, now he seems to be getting cold feet.

    If Trump had any imagination, then I'd think he was afraid of a protest mocking one of his own rallies. I still want to see the video of "Lock kids up, LOCK KIDS UP!" In my imagination, the protesters are in Trump face, and the video builds to an angry crescendo before collapsing into howls of insane rage.

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  14. Re: Why this one video by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The facts, huh? Your link is an inaccurate summary of a WaPo story, which it actually links to but I'll repeat it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    As anyone can read for themselves, it does not say that the Democrats want totally open borders. That is simply false, and in fact as the article notes they are willing to fund ICE.

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  15. Um.. no, that's not the problem. by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Problem is that when you cut programs for fighting domestic terror in a country where white supremacists account for a disproportionate amount of attacks and then say both sides are bad when literal Nazis are rallying, well...

    There just comes a time to call a Spade a Spade. I don't care of Trump really drinks the Kool-Aid or is just doing it for the votes or even the lulz. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hiel Hitler's like a duck, it's a White Nationalist. Sooner we stop living in denial the better. This will not end well for us otherwise. Ignoring reality never does...

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  16. Re: Yeah no fan of that by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Informative

    You know why the Nazi's of WWII are regarded more evil than Stalin or Mao? The Nazi's where better record keepers. It's easy to gloss over 20 to 80 million that Stalin had murdered, and the 80 to 200 million that Chairman Mao red revolution slaughtered, when it's all anonymous numbers on a ledger.

    But the Nazi's, now they new how to keep records over who they butchered. They had names, addresses, and a count of every item the took from jews before they gassed them.

    Yes, the nazi's where just better record keepers, but communist stand way taller on a mountain of anonymous dead.

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