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YouTube Disabled Comments On Livestreams Of A Congressional Hearing On White Nationalism Because They Were Too Hateful (buzzfeednews.com)
Tuesday's hearing was meant to examine the rise of white nationalism and white supremacy and the role social media plays in its spread. Then the comments got hijacked. From a report: YouTube moderators disabled comments on livestreams of the House Judiciary Committee's hearing about hate crimes the rise of white nationalism on Tuesday, deeming them too hateful for the platform. The comment sections quickly flooded with hate speech and white nationalist memes before the hearing had even started. The comments included derogatory remarks about women on camera, anti-Semitic slurs, far-right memes with references to "white genocide," and pro-Trump slogans. The channels' comments sections were deactivated within an hour. [...] YouTube's disabling of comments is ironic: House Judiciary Committee Chair Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat from New York, made special reference in his opening statement of the role social media platforms play in spreading hate speech and extremism in his opening statement.
I don't know if these "You Tube Moderators" have looked around much, but you can find hateful comments on pretty much any video. Why block comments on just this one?
If YouTube wants to block "hateful comments" why do they allow comments anywhere?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The more speech is suppressed the stronger the suppressed will react. Censorship is a loser's game
Hey Anonymous Coward - Don't quote the constitution if you don't understand it.
The constitution says THE GOVERNMENT can't censor your speech. Last time I checked, there was no mention in the constitution of private corporations like YouTube.
By what standards?
So it looked like the typical slashdot post comments then?
I understand what a "white supremacist" is. I understand what a "French Nationalist", or a "Argentinian Nationalist" would be. However, the term "White Nationalist" is semantically and massively wrong (but then, so would "Black Nationalist" or "Asian Nationalist"...) After all, what nation is titled as "White"?
I get that stamping out racism is a good thing, but seriously, folks - at least don't mangle the language while you do it.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
I'm no babe in the woods (I completed my 100th trip around the block last week), but I've seen some comment threads on news sites that would convince you Neanderthals didn't go extinct; they're alive and well. You just hope the comments are more troll/bombastic in nature and not what people truly believe (OK, maybe I am still a bit naive).
Free Speech. Guaranteed by the first (foremost) amendment to the supreme law of the land.
Anyone who would knowingly abridge it is an enemy of the United States of America.
Period. Full Stop.
All Trump supporters should be tied to a post and flogged with a clue stick whilst wearing a refrigerated steel butt plug up their fundament <- That was free speech, now mod me up for making use of the 1st amendment.
I have a new theory for what's going on now. Among other real-world effects, it explains such extremist reactions on YouTube.
Actually it's not really Trump's idea, but must be coming from Stephen Miller and his associates. Trump is just the puppet. Again.
The Department of Homeland Security is under reconstruction.
Coming soon: The Department of WHITE Homeland Security. #DWHS
Don't think of it as the largest piece of the federal government running amok.
It's just color coordination. White House and White Homeland.
Not sure who coined the term "slow-moving coup". Perhaps Bill Maher? But they are shifting out of first gear now. I'm even beginning to think Trumpism has some of the potential of Stalinism. Depends on the depth of the purge. If the Trumpists start purging the "weaklings" among themselves, that would be an exceedingly bad sign. (I had to wrestle with that "If" for a while...)
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
You haven't read or understood the constitution, have you?
Free Speech. Guaranteed by the first (foremost) amendment to the supreme law of the land.
Anyone who would knowingly abridge it is an enemy of the United States of America.
Period. Full Stop.
You can exercise your free speech as much as you want and you can use the 1st amendment to spew as much racist hate as you want but I reserve the right to forbid you from doing that on my lawn and I will make use of the rights guaranteed to me under the second amendment to persuade you to comply if you refuse. Be glad that Google is a lot more diplomatic about shutting up hate spewing racist dummies than I am.
Seriously .... it's amazingly bad, how often online conversations or comments on social media devolve into utter garbage. I imagine in this instance, it was egged on because of the political topic of discussion. Furthermore? I'm fairly confident the vast majority of "white supremacist" comments were made by teenagers trying to get a rise out of people.
I mean, sure -- you really DO have these racist hate groups around. But they're generally rather disorganized or lack enough membership to do anything significant. You have FAR more people who are just angry and like to talk trash than you do people who are truly committed to promoting neo-nazis or some kind of white supremacy movement.
It's nearly the 10 year anniversary of John Gabriel's groundbreaking theory. https://www.penny-arcade.com/c...
The narrative here seems to be "talk about white nationalists, and gangs of white nationalists show up to prove just how demented and determined to be assholes they are."
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Free Speech. Guaranteed by the first (foremost) amendment to the supreme law of the land.
Anyone who would knowingly abridge it is an enemy of the United States of America.
Period. Full Stop.
All Trump supporters should be tied to a post and flogged with a clue stick whilst wearing a refrigerated steel butt plug up their fundament <- That was free speech, now mod me up for making use of the 1st amendment.
So, modded down to -1 already, it's fun being censored by a bunch of Trump supporters who usually are the first to complain about being censored for hating on brown people in violation of their rights under the 1st amendment.
Z^-1
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
... and their perspective of blatant discrimination got validated by YouTube promptly censoring them.
"Oh, but it's a corporation, not the government censoring them" isn't a great argument when you also claim that corporations own the government, and in this case, I'd agree with you that Google has an amazingly large, malign, influence on the government.
any place at all where speech is truly free is going to be flooded with hatred trying to drown out everything else.
It's unfortunate, and I don't have a solution, but it is an incontrovertible fact of life.
Why is your comment nearly invisible? Yes, your Subject: line isn't greatly illuminating, but I don't see the basis for the current score of 1. Some kind of troll moderation effect?
The comic you linked to is rather insightful. My favored solution approach would involve MEPR (Multidimensional Earned Public Reputation) so that people who have a track record of not acting like that would acquire additional visibility, while the trolls would be helped in rendering themselves less and less visible. Anonymity has limited justification. Near as I can tell, almost all secrecy can only be justified based on prior and ongoing secrecy, and circular justifications are weak.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
For the same reason the Government uses newspapers to advertise and TV networks for televised addresses. Just because the government can use private companies for providing services does not mean that private companies suddenly become branches of the government, and bound to the first Amendments.
Jesus Christ, the utter lack of understanding on the part of some here just astonishes. This black and white thinking, this inability to comprehend nuance or complexity, and the fundamental ignorance that gets married to it, so that your lack of knowledge gets coupled with astonishing arrogance, that you become blind to how things are actually supposed to work.
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Yes, it's at the same level. Bottom of the swamp.
If that's true, then how is Trump president?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Why is the government then using a private corporation like YouTube to stream?
Why is the government using a private corporation like Boeing to build the President's aircraft? I expect they used YouTube and Boeing because they both provided something the government needed and the government wasn't about to waste large amounts of taxpayer money on designing and building those things them selves when they could be outsourced to private industry and the vast sums of tax payer money the government thus saved could be better spent on tax breaks for the wealthy.
What YouTube staff did here was stop this instance of their social media platform being used to foment white nationalism (Why are we using that term anyway? I thought those types hated political correctness?). That it still happened in the first place is a case in the point that the spread of such antisocial ideology is endemic to social media. No irony, just evidence of the issue that the hearing is about.
As usual, the dullards miss the teeny, tiny caveat to the First Amendment. It only applies to the government.
As has been stated who knows how many times, a company is free to limit free speech if it so chooses. This is no different than if a casino doesn't want to provide service to someone. It's their property, their rules. Same with YouTube.
It has nothing to do with being an "enemy" of the U.S. It has to do with a company doing what it wants on its platform. Don't like it? Don't frequent YouTube.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Right? It is so annoying when mass media companies allow the printing of speech I disagree with. I never do business with anyone that has a different opinion on anything then I have.
A fine description of a Fox News customer.
The narrative here seems to be "talk about white nationalists, and gangs of white nationalists show up to prove just how demented and determined to be assholes they are."
That's certainly the narrative. I'd bet the reality is "the chans saw this as a wonderful opportunity to troll, plus some actual white nationalists (who were also channers).".
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
The ruling on Trump's twitter account was that he couldn't block it for certain people. Different argument. Comment forums, like newspaper editorial sections, have every right to not publish or edit any commentary letter. This is nothing new. If you don't like Youtube's rules, build your own forum, or, what the heck, use one of those nice accommodating ones like Stormfront.
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Upwards of 4% of European DNA is Neanderthal DNA; black Africans have zero Neanderthal DNA.
The point is not that one group is "better" than another, but this idea that all humans are clones of each other, and that race is a social construct, makes no sense; it makes no sense in the raw numbers, and it makes no sense in everyday life.
People know it's bullshit.
Now, look into average IQ measurements. Come on; you can do it. Stare into that deep abyss, and know reality for what it is.
YouTube's disabling of comments is ironic
If by "ironic" you mean "totally fucking predictable" then yeah, I suppose it was.
Nope, no sig
I take it you don't know the facts of that case, I find it amusing that it is quotes so often. Try googling Schenck v. United States
These are considered 'hate' these days? I suppose having HQs of major technology companies close to each others just reinforces hysteria already present in the society by blowing one view of imminent right wing overtake while punishing every doubtful voice as racists, homophobic or what else.
But the interesting difference between your lawn and google's lawn is google has opened their lawn to the public. For now you are correct but we do need to have a conversation about privately owned public spaces.
No, Nazism was not a variant of Italian Fascism. Nazism grew out of a certain brand of socialism that came to the fore in Germany in the 1920s, in particular with the rise of the SA. Mussolini himself at first determined to stay neutral in WWII, but thought that by backing Hitler, Italy would keep and enlarge its embryonic African empire (it was deeply stung by the League of Nations determining the invasion and annexation of Ethiopia was illegal). They may have grown out of similar sentiments in both countries (I'd chunk Hungarian nationalism and Spanish Falange in the same boat), but the SA, the progenitor of the Nazis, was in many ways a very different movement ideologically from Mussolini's.
Nazism itself was always a moving target. Hitler was primarily interested in achieving power. He allied with Rohm and his SA thugs because it gave him a private army to go after the softer elements of the Weimar republic. But as soon as the SA ceased to be useful to Hitler, it was absorbed into the SS and other units, and Rohm, who, bizarrely enough, still seemed to love Hitler right up until the end, was shot. After that, Nazism became basically a full-on personality cult. It was whatever Hitler said it was.
Ironically enough, Churchill actually plead with Mussolini to either join the Allies (as Italy had done in WWI), or at least to stay out of the war. Churchill actually took the time to praise some of Mussolini's accomplishments. While he didn't approve of the methods or the form of government, the Italian Fascists were a different creature from the SA or the Nazi Party.
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But I don't see anyone banning Che Guevara shirts.
That anyone would think they are making a point by starting off with fake laughter and the word "seriously"
If you can't deal with talking about issues own it and and own the rest of your mental health problems.
Because Google does have an amazingly large, malign, influence on the government?
If even wikipedia with its quite strong means of control for bias has a problem with groups of well organized 'activists' then I do not think any scheme like MEPR would work. Maybe we can get something almost working and maybe that is MEPR but that will not, on its own, fix the problem.
I'm wondering if it was all true haters, all astroturfing, all trolls, or a combination of all? We do know that both sides aren't above faking the opposition's tactics in order to make themselves look good or build a false narrative that supports their views.
Hell, the trolls or the astroturfers (or both) could have been the first ones to do it and that encouraged the haters to start up, kind of like priming a pump. The sad part is we will never know for sure. My money is that most was true but there was some astroturfing going on as well, but nowhere as big as the true f**ktards.
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Owing a debt is not the same as derived from. The two movements largely came into existence at the same time; along with the Falangists (though the latter had much deeper roots in Spanish instability since the Peninsular War).
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Read that article, it is only talking about Hispanics, not minorities in general.
That's certainly the narrative. I'd bet the reality is "the chans saw this as a wonderful opportunity to troll, plus some actual white nationalists (who were also channers).".
Don't worry, the media is currently all over the rainbow clowns(honkhonk) are really a white nationalist and neo-nazi symbol.
The reality is, youtube doing this proves both sides right. YT is censoring some views(politically correct or not) and thus validating it. And the opposing side is "see look at all that hate! They were right!" Pure accelerationism all the way down, looks like the NZ nut was spot on.
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I am unable to interpret that as a request for clarification, not does it suggest the slightest awareness of my earlier writings on the general topic. Therefore I can only congratulate you on your remarkable mind-reading or other psychic capabilities and beg you to explain what is wrong with the idea. Surely you can share a tiny bit of your infinite wisdom with us peasants?
(Yes, I'm overreacting, but it might be triggered by your handle.)
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
None of this proves you're smart or right. Your definition of imaginary "leftists" is absurd. Your spamming repetition just makes you look even stupider. All you're doing is annoying people and embarrassing yourself.
I find it amusing and interesting that the "conservatives" want businesses to have rights and religion when they are discriminating against gays, but freak out when some business decides they don't want said "conservatives" as a customer.
It's a bit like the "tolerance" groups that only have tolerance for the groups/religions/etc. THEY like.
Left/Right, D/R, doesn't matter. They are all stupid. :)
IANAL, but my limited understanding is that when officially contracted by the US Govt, private companies are acting as 'agents' of the USA, and are indeed bound by all of the same things Uncle Sam is.
Am I wrong??
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
Where have you been? To the city hall meeting but couldn't get in Pussy Cat Pussy Cat Why was that? It was all about cats and their habitats But they only admitted dogs and rats
Marsh v Alabama doesn't apply because a) YouTube set up rules of conduct regarding comments from the beginning. It did not single out one specific type of speech it would ban over another and b) YouTube also limits what can be posted as far as videos, and has done so from the beginning. Neither is an abridgement of free speech.
The only ones outsourcing totalitarianism are Republicans who keep claiming the free market will fix everything, then turn around and use taxpayer money to prop up the free market and businesses. Or, in the current case, crawl into their holes while the corrupt con artist rides roughshod over them because they're too stupid and cowardly to do their duties as members of Congress to reign in his dictatorial ways.
And for the record, I do agree that free speech should be defended. If nothing else, it reveals to the world the true nature of an individual. That said, there are limits, and a company has every right to censor speech on their site if that speech bumps up against their rules.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Mangling the language is one of the most important tools of the professional liars. Basic ontology of lies:
Level 0: Self-contradiction. Something is obviously wrong. Only amusing variation is when both halves are false.
Level 1: Counterfactual. As the famous saying says, any fool can check the facts.
Level 2: Partial truth. Two basic variations. One is to omit parts so as to deny actually lying, but the higher form involves actively creating a false perception of reality based on the gaps.
Level 3: Reframing. This is where the best liars work, distorting reality until you have no idea what color the sky is. Mangling the language is one of their best tools, and "white nationalism" is merely a deliberately confusing repackaging of a brand that has become too toxic.
Amusingly enough, Trump is a rather poor liar, usually bumbling about at the low levels and rarely getting as high as Level 2. However, Trump does have some excellent liars working for him. Right now I think his best (= worst) one is Kellyanne Conway. Many of the best (still = worst) liars are most effective at arm's-length, often using Trump as a facade or MacGuffin. That includes such brilliant liars as Roger Stone and Steve Bannon.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
How about it? Nobody is saying that social media platforms play the sole role in spreading hate speech. But right now, we're talking only about their role.
If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
The goyim know. Shut in down!
Freedom of Speech is a concept that supercedes the scope of the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment is merely one instance of a principle of a free society.
But this generation and people like you are far to ready to throw freedom of speech away and go "But we not government! 1st Amendment no apply!" in a delerious but unenlightened chant. And that's why college campuses turned into the echo chambers they are.
There is an awful lot of anger out there.
Those of Caucasian decent have been told for years that they are racists simply because of their skin color.
They can't be discriminated against because they aren't the right color.
They have something called " White Privilege " that, apparently, is some sort of " I win " button available on tap.
They get turned down for jobs and education slots because the Company or University has to have enough minorities lest they be called racists too.
Standardized tests are all racist because, apparently, minorities have issues with them. So they just get rewritten to make the numbers look better.
Slavery is still their fault apparently, irregardless of the fact the last " slaves " in America were freed ~150 years ago.
( The reparations movement, and all the politicians using it to further their political career, can just f*ck off. )
Starting a #WhiteLivesMatter movement would instantly be classified as some White Nationalist Klan Nazi Terrorist Group and the media would just lose it.
Given the above:
Is there anyone out there who doesn't think a very small percentage of impacted folks might be just a tad bit angry about it all ?
Is there anyone out there who doesn't think an even smaller percentage of that small percentage might even be REALLY angry about it ?
And of that laughably tiny percentage, a few folks might actually do something rather radical ?
This is shocking why ?
Maybe they're just tired of being the " Bad Guy " for nothing more than their skin color.
this is what it looks like.
someone who wants to form a whites only ethno-state. This is a thing that exists and is growing and therefore needs a name. What else would you call that? And how is it mangling the language?
It reminds me of one of my mainframe buds who couldn't wrap his head around the concept of metadata. "It's just data!". Well, no, it's not. It's data about data. "But that's just data". Yes, but it's a kind of data, and it became increasingly common and important to discuss so we made a term for it so that we could discuss it more clearly and succinctly.
Same thing here. I could say "Persons who advocate for a White Ethno-State" but if I'm going to be talking about them a lot "White Nationalist" is easier. Now, that I'm stuck talking about them a lot shows how bad things have gotten....
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The Problem is that when you cut programs for fighting domestic terror in a country where white supremacists account for a disproportionate amount of attacks and then say both sides are bad when literal Nazis are rallying, well...
There just comes a time to call a Spade a Spade. I don't care of Trump really drinks the Kool-Aid or is just doing it for the votes or even the lulz. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hiel Hitler's like a duck, it's a White Nationalist. Sooner we stop living in denial the better. This will not end well for us otherwise. Ignoring reality never does...
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I hadn't heard of this and you've been too oblique in your description. Could you name the individual in question to aid me in finding out more information?
If you wear the Klan hood for any reason, you are a shit human being who deserves to experience exactly the kind of vile things that the Klan wants to do to non-white people.
After which, the apologists show up to defend appalling behaviour by claiming "it's just joke bro". Tell you what, I'll shoot you in your face and tell you I'm trolling you, and we'll see how you feel about that.
Recognize this: Jewish is not a race
Jewish is as much a race as any of the other human races.
It's also a religion.
Differentiate between the two. If you want to attack religions, be my guest, but don't go attacking people because they have a different genetic background to you. That's racist and makes you an ignorant cunt.
The whole thing only has capability of confusing the mid-range double digit IQ's anyways. They still try it. Dummies can yell on the web in all caps too and its just dummies.
Your position on the self-awareness scale appears to be a new record low.
I wish every time one of you blithering imbecile parrots repeat thus stupidity about First Amendment somebody takes a paper copy of that and shoves it up your stupid asses until it comes out between you moron teeth.
fa is just a paper. It means nothing. What important is the principle of free speech. And for that principle it absolutely does not matter what suppresses it, government or viseohosting de facto monopoly. At late stage capitalism monopolies are indistinguishable from governments.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
What important is the principle of free speech. And for that principle it absolutely does not matter what suppresses it, government or viseohosting de facto monopoly. At late stage capitalism monopolies are indistinguishable from governments.
Nonsense. YouTube doesn't have a police force or an army. YouTube doesn't have a court system and prisons. The FA exists so the government can't arrest you for saying "The President is a moron," like they can in many, many other nations.
...and as for a "monopoly" this hearing could have been streamed on Vimeo or C-SPAN or Facebook or Twitter or a dozen different sites. Hardly a monopoly.
You isp is a private company and have right to block access to any site they wish.
Of course. And I have the right to move to another ISP if they do.