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New York City Orders Mandatory Measles Vaccinations in Brooklyn (providencejournal.com)
"New York City officials on Tuesday declared a public health emergency and ordered mandatory measles vaccinations" in an area where most of the state's 285 measles cases have occurred. The Washington Post reports:
New York's mandatory vaccination order in four Brooklyn zip codes is by far the toughest action to date by state or local officials, as the disease's tally grows to 465 cases in 19 states. Officials there and elsewhere have sought to bar unvaccinated children from schools and other public places but have had limited success... The mandate orders all unvaccinated people in four zip codes to receive inoculations, including children as young as 6 months. Anyone who resists faces a misdemeanor charge and could be fined up to $1,000.
Long-time Slashdot reader Major Blud shares a BBC report that under the order, "any person living in the affected areas who has not been vaccinated must be immunised within 48 hours."
Long-time Slashdot reader Major Blud shares a BBC report that under the order, "any person living in the affected areas who has not been vaccinated must be immunised within 48 hours."
Rot in hell idiot.
Rights, which according to American philosophy predate any government and are granted by the Universe, are not something to be taken lightly.
Thomas Jefferson:
As the old saying goes: "Give me liberty, or give me death!"
Oh, and where did these measles infections come from? Third-world immigrants imported by the leftists against the will of these very people who are being targeted now? And, why are you so worried about their lack of immunity? Haven't you gotten you and yours vaccinated? Sure, some people can't be vaccinated; well, they shouldn't live in one of the most diversely populated places on Earth.
I'm sure they'll enforce the law. If a Palestinian wants to move into a Orthodox Jew neighborhood the law will force them to rent to him. Fair housing laws are applied evenly and fairly. JK, LOL
Unless this law is passed as unconstitutional, get ready for forced government drugs by the state!
I don't care if you're for or against vaccines, no one should be forcibly pricked by the government
What I fear is soon the quality check on vaccines won't exist anymore. It only exists as long as people can opt out of them.
If the recipients have adverse side effects from the vaccines then the officials should be personally liable for any associated costs and penalties.
There are some people who literally can't get vaccinations for real medical reasons, and while I'm sure that these people can probably provide proof to show that is the case, I find it interesting that the summary said that "Anyone who resists faces a fine", and not "Anyone without a valid medical exemption who resists faces a fine".
Technically speaking, these people endanger the lives of others too.
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I think that a way to fight this would be to "leak" a document to wikileaks pointing out that the autism vaccine rumor was spread by alquaeda as part of a plan to attack the population with measles.
Before the vaccine, measles caused an average of about 2.6 million deaths per year.
You have a very funny idea of what constitutes a dangerous disease"
YOU DO NOT ENDANGER OTHERS IF YOU ARE NOT VACCINATED. You endanger yourself; it's to train your immune system. Yes, you could carry and spread it to other people WHO ARE NOT VACCINATED.
So people who refuse get sick and die because of their own decisions. That is the way it should be. Furthermore, remove the idiot warning labels on plastic bags etc.
Get away with this and you open up the door for future corrupt politicians to force things into your body against your will. Colon cancer is a real problem in the USA, why don't they force cameras up our colons while they are at it? (yes obviously you volunteer for that under the right conditions because who wants to die of that? but it's your choice and not a 1 size fits all policy which easily can be done 10x as much just to give more money to a lobby group.)
You think they just die in their homes? No. They go to some of the most expensive healthcare facilities in the world to be treated (i.e. NYC and USA in general), and ultimately costs our health system through resource utilization and direct/indirect costs that could be spent in far better ways..
If we're going to let them in by the tens of thousands
They're from Israel. What the blurb didn't mention is this outbreak is concentrated in the ultra-orthodox Jewish community who doesn't want to integrate in our society, and trots out the ANTI SEMITE!!! dog whistle any time they're told they have to abide by our laws.
But yes, if we're going to let the tens of thousands of these people into our country, mandatory vaccinations. Screw their religion or customs or language. Either follow our rules or leave.
If you are vaccinated, shouldn't you not have to worry about getting measles? Only the un-vaccinated will be affected? Where is the problem?
As I said above, these people dont just die in their homes. They then go to some of the most expensive healthcare facilities in the world to be treated, wasting resources which could be better used elsewhere.
Then there is the exposure risk to infants too young to receive the vaccine. Should infants be exposed because some idiots think a measles vaccine is dangerous? Herd immunity only works if the herd all gets vaccinated...
You realize that this quite literally contradicts what you say literally two sentences later....
(emphasis mine) Other people who are not vaccinated are still "others"... whether you endanger yourself in the process is irrelevant.
And not all of these others even had any choice in the matter. You endanger people who could not receive a vaccination for medical reasons, and you endanger those for whom the vaccination was not 100% effective. This is not generally a problem by itself because the number of people who have a legitimate medical reason to not get a vaccination plus the number of people for whom the vaccination would not actually be effective in the event of exposure is quite small, small enough that if they were the only ones vulnerable, the danger to any of them is actually negligible.
Adding choice to be vaccinated or not changes the dynamic of this effective "herd immunity" entirely, and with every additional person that gets ill, the danger to everyone else who was vulnerable rises exponentially. In theory, it wouldn't be a problem if nobody ever contracted the illness in the first place, but as soon as one person does, the more unvaccinated or otherwise vulnerable people there are around them, the more quickly the virus will spread. The fact that it only will tend to affect these otherwise vulnerable people completely ignores the fact that not all of them had a choice in the matter, and in practice while the number of people who might choose to be unvaccinated may tend to outnumber those who did not make a choice to be vulnerable, during an outbreak, it is noteworthy that they rarely outnumber the ones who die, not surprising often owing to the same medical reasons for why they could not have received the vaccination in the first place, or why the vaccination they did receive was not effective.
And while I say the number of these people may be quite small, I only mean so statistically... in absolute terms, the number of people is still actually quite large,. so yes....you *DO* endanger others if you are not vaccinated. At the very least, you can certainly say that you endanger others if you should *choose* to not be vaccinated.
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If you are vaccinated, shouldn't you not have to worry about getting measles? Only the un-vaccinated will be affected? Where is the problem?
1> No vaccine is 100% effective. But vaccination can reduce the risk or the severity of the disease.
2. The population of Brooklyn is 2.65 million. You do not want a dangerously infectious disease to gain a foothold in a population that size.
3. There are legitimate medical reasons why everyone cannot be vaccinated. But you can protect the most vulnerable by immunizing those around them. Consider it a firewall..
4. We came within a hair of eliminating measles as we did smallpox. We could all-but-eliminate cervical cancer in the next generation. If we fail, the reason will there for veryone to see,
That's right. Our society does not value human life. It does value scurrying away and forcing people to do or not do something out of fear. Alcohol is fun! So it gets a pass.
Pathetic that Dunbal talks of children's hospitals and measles. A tiny, tiny number compared to the number of children that are born and have to live inferior lives due to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, or worse, the otherwise healthy babies that don't make it to term and are not counted at all. But he does not care. Alcohol is fun!
Same with guns. Kills around 15,000 innocent people. 30,000 people in total. But alcohol killing 80,000 in the US and 280,000 people in Europe? Who cares! It's fun and guns are scary. Alcohol is fun and diseases are scary!
Damn the facts. Damn the numbers. Let's burn some braincells by consuming a poison and complain about how dumb society is.
Everyone who either has a copy of your childhood vaccination records or knows where to go to find them (and can reasonably expect a copy still exists, can get one on a timely basis, etc.), raise your hand. For the rest of us, are the choices to accept a needle in the arm right now, or be branded a criminal and fork over $1k (and how does the latter accomplish anything useful other than to help subsidize the campaign)?
I understand people have strong feelings about this subject, but try to envision how you would feel about this jackbooted of an enforcement mechanism over something you don't feel as strongly about, or even oppose. I fear we may ultimately regret setting this precedent.
Well honestly, yeah, considering what he did, he got away with a slap on the wrist. Here the laws just changed and now you lose your license on the first offense for life. Youâ(TM)re eligible for a pardon after 10 years but its not guaranteed. Its kind of like a life sentence in prison for a drivers license.
Really? Seriously? I'd like to see some backup on that.
Two things:
Fixing one does not mean we cant work on fixing the other too.
Nobody is putting my 3 months old baby life at risk by eating pizza and Im free to decide myself if my older kids should or should not eat pizza. With measles Im not free to make that choice.
The big problem I see with this whole thing is that its taking away my freedom to make those good/bad choice and let some random dude make them for me. At least the governement is somewhat accountable vs an anti vaxer mom.
A government entity is going to require people to undergo forced medical treatment and Slashdot is cheering?
Everybody is astonished that the Nazis managed to get an entire country full of intelligent and sane people to participate in atrocities. This is a perfect example of how that works.
There is an enormous amount of research that backs up the claims, and the remarks of the "racist" poster are completely non-controversial among mainstream researchers of intelligence.
Secondly, IQ tests are provide increasingly better predictions for life outcomes the lower the score is. This is natural, because a person who is very intelligent has a lot more choices in life, including the choice to live as a childless hermit because he realizes that none of this matters anyway; in contrast, dumber people have fewer choices, and thus their outcomes are easier to predict.
In any case, you are confusing causation and correlation; you want it to be true that the more equality there is in education, the more equality there will be in IQ scores, but 50 years of actively trying to bring about such equality hasn't succeeded.
What you've really pointed out is the conclusion of the The Bell Curve, which is that disparities between groups disappear when you normalize for IQ; that is to say, IQ is the deciding factor for many life outcomes. However, the average IQ for one ethnicity does not seem to the be same as the average IQ for another ethnicity, which is why there are differences in outcome between group averages—it has nothing to do with "structural" racism, and cannot be fixed politically or culturally.
It is the case that the higher the IQ, the better the education tends to be; this does not mean that more education creates a higher IQ. Putting your child on the basketball team will not make him taller.
>"and ultimately costs our health system through resource utilization and direct/indirect costs that could be spent in far better ways.."
I will preface by saying I think it is crazy to not get vaccinations. And I certainly support developing them, making them available, and strongly encouraging their use through education. But your logic can easily lead to government control (banning or compulsory action) over just about anything- motorcycle driving, eating sugar, drinking alcohol, walking alone at night, having children, construction work, swimming, bicycling, having unprotected sex, using a mobile phone when not seated, most competitive sports, obsessively playing video games, using power tools, etc.
Everything we do has some amount of risk- and taking some risks is what makes live worth living. We can't have a free society if the argument that anything people do affects "other people" due to healthcare "direct and indirect costs" prevails. It is a very dangerous path- it can put too much power in the hands of not only government, but also private insurance companies.
Calm down. From the article:
There are no strictures against vaccines in the Jewish religion and the overwhelming majority of American Jews are vaccinated. The reasons for the explosion of cases among members of insular, ultra-orthodox communities has more to do with their frequent contacts with Israel, which is undergoing its own measles crisis, combined with their insularity and general mistrust of government, say health officials.
In addition, a misinformation campaign, including phone calls, voice mails and pamphlets has targeted the community, say health officials and immunization advocates. One widely distributed booklet not only cites various rabbis questioning the obligation to vaccinate children, but also advances anecdotes and statistics in an attempt to connect vaccinations to physical harm and death.
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If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Forced-vax nazis bring out the iron boot, force people to undergo controversial medical procedures against their will
You're a fucking moron.
I don't respond to AC's.
Wrong.
1. There are about 5% or less of those vaccinated for whom it doesn't "take". There's no easy way to test for this.
2. There are those who legitimately can't be vaccinated. Those who have compromised immune systems. For some vaccines, those who are too young.
3. Vaccines hold out the promise of completely eradicating a disease, like we did smallpox. Anti-vaxxer are working to ensure reservoirs of diseases remain in existence.
No, it's not. It's amazing how many people think herd immunity is some sort of mystical concept, when it's really very simple and straightforward If almost everyone in a community is immune, then there is no one the few who are not can catch the disease from. It's just that simple.
I think herd immunity is bullshit.
Do you believe in Smallpox?
Do you believe that there was ever a point in time where 100% of the planet was vaccinated? If you aren't sure, the answer is "no".
Smallpox is proof of herd immunity. Enough people were vaccinated that there were no vulnerable people to be infected, so the disease died off. That's the goal for all disease, but some people work extraordinarily to see that disease persist.
The only way to not believe in reality is to simply be delusional. That invalidates your opinion as well as most of your (incorrect) facts.
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