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Online Pornography Age Checks To Be Mandatory in UK From 15 July (theguardian.com)

The UK's age verification system for online pornography will become mandatory on 15 July, the government has confirmed. From a report: From that date, commercial providers of online pornography will be required to carry out "robust" age verification checks on users, in order to keep children from accessing adult content. Websites that refuse to implement the checks face being blocked by UK internet service providers or having their access to payment services withdrawn.The digital minister, Margot James, welcomed the introduction of the rules, saying: "Adult content is currently far too easy for children to access online."

She added, "The introduction of mandatory age verification is a world first, and we've taken the time to balance privacy concerns with the need to protect children from inappropriate content. We want the UK to be the safest place in the world to be online, and these new laws will help us achieve this." Will Gardner, the chief executive of Childnet, said: "We hope that the introduction of this age verification will help in protecting children, making it harder for young people to accidentally come across online pornography, as well as bringing in the same protections that we use offline to protect children from age-restricted goods or services."

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  1. Credit card? by fred6666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How are they going to implement this? With credit card verification?

    1. Re:Credit card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's going to be implemented by moving everybody onto VPN or Tor, you know the "dark web"; one of those unforeseen consequences that is foreseen by everybody except our smooth-brained, moronic politicians.

    2. Re:Credit card? by Anduril1986 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Basically yes. You will have to sign up to a third party verification service (like the one owned by MindGeek, no conflict of interest there...) which will require photo id. There was talk of an "anonymous" option where they would see "porn passes" at the local corner shop for a tenner with a special code used to create the verification account, and the cashier is responsible for the age verification; Not sure if that is still planned or not.

    3. Re:Credit card? by lgw · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just like the police look for people watching TV without paying their BBC tax, a new breed of detector trucks will soon roam the streets of England.

      *Knock knock knock*
      "Sir, we spotted you wanking without a wanker's license."
      "But, but ..."
      "Don't try to deny it sir, we saw you clearly on the infrared."

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    4. Re:Credit card? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

      Facebook login of course. The site will connect you once it has verified that the age associated with your Facebook account is high enough, and will contact each of your Facebook friends to get additional verification.

      Once verified, to ensure you don't have to repeatedly re-validate your age, the adult site will store subscription information on Facebook itself, together with any relevant interests, fetishes, etc.

      It's all perfectly simple, and I know Facebook has been working on making this as easy as possible. Both Zuckerberg himself, and the Russian government - which found the proposals very impressive - have been speaking privately to MPs to explain how the system will work and reassure them of its effectiveness.

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    5. Re:Credit card? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Just like the police look for people watching TV without paying their BBC tax, a new breed of detector trucks will soon roam the streets of England.

      Last time it happened to me, it was the Cat Detector Van....

      I never seen so many bleedin' aerials !!!!

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    6. Re:Credit card? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just say you were wanking over your hot friend on Facebook or over something posted to DeviantArt. Those sites are all exempted because they contain less than 30% porn content.

      It will be interesting to see how they determine the porn content of a site, or even what content is porn. Will Victoria's Secret get blocked for using models? Is it 30% of the site content by the byte, by the page, or by how much a 13 year old could wank over?

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    7. Re:Credit card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, let me see if I understand this:
      No one has a definition of what constitutes pornography. Like pictures in the clouds it is in the ye of the beholder.
      Pornography is not illegal, per se.
      Some pornography is illegal and some pornography that is legal may become illegal in the future.
      The UK Government wants to sell a "license" to look at a web page based on the idea that it may contain a thing which no one can apply a concrete definition to and which, at any given time, may or may not be illegal?

      SIGN ME UP!

    8. Re:Credit card? by Wulf2k · · Score: 2

      Categories:
      Asian
      BBW
      Blonde
      Library of Congress Archive 1
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    9. Re:Credit card? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's important to put Big Brother back into the ecosystem. In the old days you had to pay someone's Big Brother to get you this material, then the internet cut out that particular middle man.

      Big Brother is back, and he's not just for booze and cigarettes!

    10. Re:Credit card? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Some authoritarian prude got trolled by this??

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    11. Re:Credit card? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      Basically yes. You will have to sign up to a third party verification service (like the one owned by MindGeek, no conflict of interest there...) which will require photo id.

      I foresee a business opportunity. A free ad-supported porn proxy service with an endless series of domain permutations, like The Pirate Bay, running out of the commercial cloud providers all over the world (like The Pirate Bay). It's practically free money. The ads will of course be for porn.

      Come to think of it, given the Great Firewalls in China and countries in the Middle East, that service probably already exists.

    12. Re:Credit card? by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would like to apply for a wanker's license. I always aspired to become a professionally licensed wanker.

      This way if there is ever an emergency, I can part the crowd and authoritatively state: "Step aside, I am a wanker. I can help".

    13. Re:Credit card? by sexconker · · Score: 2

      They already intercept and read every single packet that touches a router in any western nation. AT&T has a massive building dedicated to NSA taps.

    14. Re:Credit card? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Funny

      DeviantArt contains less than 30% porn content?

      [Citation Needed]

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  2. Age Captcha by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    Click on all the squares that contain:

    80's pop stars
    Original Star-Wars trilogy special effect
    Pogs
    Kurt Cobain Girlfriend

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    1. Re:Age Captcha by Anil · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's like the age gate in the original Leisure Suit Larry game.

    2. Re:Age Captcha by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      You're old if you remember that.

      You're ancient if you managed to actually answer the questions.

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    3. Re:Age Captcha by aicrules · · Score: 3, Funny

      13 year old me convinced my mom to buy me LSL3 for my birthday
      13 year old me was thwarted by the questions initially
      13 year old me then asked my dad and mom "random" questions and successfully defeated the age verification lol

      plus I think there was some four key combo that let you skip it anyway...how did I figure these things out without the internet? I don't even remember.

    4. Re:Age Captcha by Whatanut · · Score: 2

      Trial and error... It was a limited set of multiple choice answers. I'd just keep exiting and restarting the game if I got a question wrong until I could answer all of the presented questions correctly.

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    5. Re:Age Captcha by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Answers? We just kracked/cracked the game ad removed those stupid questions. :-)

      Or if we were really lazy would just write down all the correct answers.

      Dam kids. Now get off my LAN^H^H^H Wifi. /s

  3. TOR doesn't exist in the UK? by ITRambo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Soon, all the kids will use TOR browsers to show that they're anywhere but in the UK. It shouldn't take long for them to beat the system designed by people that don't understand technology beyond using a power button.

  4. so.. everybody is OK with this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    all the members of parliament? other government officials? law enforcement? clergy?

    they do realize that this essentially becomes pornography user tracking? and it WILL come back to bite someone with a significant position within the government, perhaps someone who is at least partially responsible for this new legal requirement in the first place, right in the ass (and not in a good way)

  5. Out of touch by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

    making it harder for young people to accidentally come across online pornography

    Is this really such a common occurrence?

    The vast majority of accidental porn I've come across was from folks intentionally posting it to public forums, like the ever-popular goatse on here. Do we now consider that all discourse is pornographic? I'll note there are also a few look-alike domains that are easy to stumble across, but I think those are adequately blocked with client-side filters.

    In all, this seems utterly unnecessary.

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    1. Re:Out of touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a common occurence for kids to say that it was an accident.

    2. Re:Out of touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As always look one step beyond. This isn't about pornography, it's a wedge to gain control over internet communication. You start, of course, by "protecting the children from pornography". You end by making people confirm their real ID before they post on, say, slashdot. The goal here is to remove anonymity. Of course it's impossible but our politicians are so thick they won't realise it's impossible until they've forced everybody into the criminal underworld.

  6. Politicians are cynical yet so naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Teens get their porn via paid subscription. Yeah right! Who are those who think commercial porn websites are the only way to access porn. I imagine they are the same ones who wight click to chose "Copy" and "Paste" from the context menu and type Google in the Google search engine to find Google.

  7. The Brexit-ers were right. by Comboman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess the UK doesn't need the EU. They seem perfectly capable of creating their own internet-destroying regulations.

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  8. Level headed thinking from a politician by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    The introduction of mandatory age verification is a world first, and we've taken the time to balance privacy concerns with the need to protect children from inappropriate content.

    Very good. They thought about balance. Now they just need to think about how it is possible to enforce this on the global internet and how it won't fail hard furthering the UK's position as the laughing stock of the internet. After all they basically banned BDSM online. Look how well that worked. (Spoiler Alert: It didn't)

    1. Re:Level headed thinking from a politician by Anduril1986 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That depends how you define "worked". Does it stop the images appearing on the internet? Of course not. Does it stop people viewing them? Please. What it does do is it means everyone who views or owns any of those images is now considered as viewing "extreme pornography" and lumped in with pedophiles. Now the government has a nice big stick to hit a large portion of the population should they wish.

  9. Meanwhile... by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... the kids will still be free to watch people being murdered, tortured, blown up, stabbed, shot etc etc on various forums and sites. But thats ok. Just so long as they don't get to see any tits or arse then they'll be fine.

    Sex - its monstrous! Should be outlawed! Hopefully in the year of our Lord 1819 in which the UK government lives will see the end of these vile online fornicators!

    1. Re:Meanwhile... by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Just the fucking Prime Minister that's imposing this puritanical bullshit.

      Yes, she's a fucking superstitious fuckwit. Yes, she's doing this to impose her superstitious idiocy on the rest of us.

  10. The internet isn't supposed to be "safe" by grasshoppa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internet is an enabler; it's an incredible amount of information at your finger tips. Almost by definition, it's supposed to be dangerous via providing the means by which people can become critical thinkers.....

    Oh, I get it.

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  11. End of the Anonymous Age? by cordovaCon83 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AC's look upon this bill and despair! It will become a framework for verifying your ID in other sectors as well. I don't know that this law will actually protect kids from seeing the pr0n they so desparately want to surf but maybe a good solution will come out of it and we can free the world of bot accounts and anonymous cowards

    1. Re:End of the Anonymous Age? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should post your real name and age when you shit on people being anonymous online, "cordova con 83"

  12. Google Safe Search? by ripvlan · · Score: 2

    One can find this content easily by disabling Safe Search in Google search. Or opening Incognito tab in Chrome. So will this option be Enabled by default and require a person to prove they are an adult before turning it off?

    Or is Google restricted from indexing this content in the UK?

  13. One of the consequences of demographics by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    This is but one of the consequences of demographic changes in the UK, where a vocal and militant minority has disproportionate effect on policies and social climate. The massive curtailing of free speech is another sad consequences. And to think this is the country that gave us some of the greatest advances in civics and science, and the most fertile ground of free discourse. It is almost unbelievable that less than half a century ago this country gave use Monty Python and movies such as Life of Brian.

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  14. Geo Block UK & EU IP Addresses by The_Other_Kelly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Time to go all in. Just region lock ... everything.

    People from RegionX, can only see content from RegionX.

    Forever cementing the most powerful companies and organisations, in each RegionX.

    No share space. No common Internet. Small, walled, guard-towered, soulless gardens.
    For Safety. And think of the Children.

    This is the future ... balkanization of ... Everything.

    Does anyone believe that this is the end of Regulation?
    All traffic tracked.
    All users identified.
    READING Content and downloading "bad words" criminalised.
    All copyright of "authorised" (sanctioned) media protected harshly.
    No free speech.
    No allowance to create or use your own comment solution (Dissenter).

    Wonderful? Well, they are not finished.

    "Internet Tax". "Internet Privilege Suspension". "Lifelong Block".

    Oh! What a brave new world!

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  15. Ob. Dilbert by swm · · Score: 3, Funny
  16. Re:Yey Free Speech Great Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Usually this is the start and then other online activities will follow - time to revolt England fox?

    Yanks shouldn't go around giving lessons on freedom since with all your second amendment love you have been fucked front and back by the TSA for the last decade and more. And have done nothing about it.
    So you're nothing but hot air balloons. You talk the talk but don't walk the walk even with hundreds of milions of firearms freely available.

  17. Re: Yey Free Speech Great Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My answer to any proponent of "hate speech" legislation or "free" healthcare is to go to Europe where there are fewer freedoms and more free things which you are obgligated to pay for in the socialist caste prisons of many of those European states. Feudalism was never entirely extinguished there.

    1) You pay more per capita into the health care system compared to Europeans with taxes alone. Then you pay privately on top of that.
    2) You probably mean something else than feudalism because the main characteristic of feudalism is that you have an upper class that acquires more wealth from land ownership and a lower class that have no other option than to rent. That is exactly the way the US is going right now.

    Stick to the "hate speech" answer and leave the other things out of it.

    Except, most European nations doesn't have English as a primary language and "hate speech" doesn't translate very well. More often the laws are along the lines of "you aren't allowed to instigate murder against groups of people". (AKA anti-terrorist laws.)
    Hate speech as such is more of an anglophile notion.

  18. Porn is bad by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    It gives young people an unhealthy and unreasonable idea of how fast a plumber will come to your house.

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  19. Information is dangerous by rv6502 · · Score: 2

    "We want the UK to be the safest place in the world to be online"

    Says a lot when they consider information something the public needs to be kept "safe" from.
    And forget scams and computer viruses. No, it's genitals (and pugs) that are the real danger!

    Nevermind all those kids who grew up around livestock for the thousands of years that humans have been farming, fully exposed to sights of the reproductive cycle. They have all proven to be serious threat to humanity!

    In other news, UK kids suddenly became very tech-savvy regarding VPNs, torrent (as if they didn't already) and how to spell "pornography" in various foreign language slang.

  20. Re:Seconded. The UK caused the US prudeness. by dinfinity · · Score: 2

    That escalated quickly.

  21. Yet more Whack-a-Mole, UK edition by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, UK: You do know this will only stop the most casual and unintelligent of underage kids from seeing porn, right?
    They'll use TOR, or a VPN, or a proxy, or get access to someone else's 'porn license', and that'll just cover the actual out-and-out porn sites, it won't cover all the other sites that can have porn on them, or Torrenting porn, and so on, and so on.
    Meanwhile, where are UK parents, whose job it really is supposed to be to monitor their kids' accessing of the Internet in the first place?
    Let's just be frank about this, UK legislators: what you're really doing here, is trying to legislate morality. Your 'age verification' requirement is really just a 'shame factor', to discourage people from accessing pornography entirely, regardless of age, by requiring them to reveal themselves in a public setting. You're just hiding this effort behind the age-old 'think of the children!' tactic.
    Then, of course, there's the age-old problem of defining what is and is not 'pornography': basically, you can't. It's literally in the eye of the beholder. So then your 'protect the children from pornography' law will be used for censorship of any number of things on the Internet that you Torries find 'objectionable'. Wonder how long it'll be, before that turns into censoring any and all criticism of the Government?
    But I digress. Enjoy your wasted Taxpayer money and wasted effort. Things like this flavor of censorship have been tried before, and they never work.

  22. Re: Yey Free Speech Great Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Funny, I can be naked in public parks and drink beer in the streets here in Germany. Can you do that in USA?
    On top of that, Internet providers are not colluded, and I have multiple decent options. The same with cellphone providers, cheap and good.
    Of course, other things are more expensive, but when I broke my collar bone biking, I didn't have to pay anything for the surgery nor the physiotherapy, so you get what you pay for.

  23. Re:Simply ways around this with VPN by mark-t · · Score: 2

    And if the VPN doesn't block the "unsuitable" content from being accessed by minors, then the UK will in turn block payments to the VPN if they refuse to institute age-check measures, regardless of the otherwise legal use case for VPN's.

  24. Re:How about... by mark-t · · Score: 2

    CC verification is just a "shaming" tactic.... while it may not make a difference to some people, many adults who routinely surf for porn would rather not have anyone else knowing about it.

    Whether that is their own problem is irrelevant. One cannot reasonably be dismissive of that group of people without also being dismissive of privacy in general.