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Pictures of the Palm V
hal-j writes "check out this link for pictures of the new Palm V. They seem to be legit, as they jive with most of what I've heard about this unit (both officially and unofficially). Some interesting features include an enhanced screen, and 2 stylus silos. "
My old Palm Pro keeps looking more and more old fashioned.
Darn technology.
When are these going to become available? I want one!
Maybe when this comes out, the price of the older III's will go down enough for me to buy one. I'd really like to have a palm, but can't justify the still-too-high price. We'll see. BTW, the V looks very nice.
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
I could really use one of those. From everything that I've heard of from Slashdot, they look really cool. Hopefully V will live up the their tried and true reputation.
And I thought the PalmV was going to be Color.
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Your honor is perfectly understandishable.
He said that he was surpised when he saw 56K data transfer. My PilotPro has 56K data transfer, so what is so special about it being in the Palm V?
Or am I missing the point?
T.
Doesn't look like there are enough new gadgets to compel existing Palm Pro/III owners to migrate. Me thinks that 3Com is playing the "ergonomically sleek" card paired with the "latest and greatest" to trap corporate customers into getting a Palm V-which is just a refinement to the Palm III.
BTW, I have a Palm III and I live out of it. They're really nicely priced now, $218.95 at buycomp.com . Worth every penny.
Works great with Linux, too.
The Palm III and Palm V look like nice evolutionary models, but there doesn't appear to be any tangible reason to upgrade fomr the Palm Pro (which I am sure is now cheap and plentiful).
I won't budge until these things get color screens and wireless net connections. Maybe this is a bit fanciful...but I think liike most people, the current Palm Pilot ends up gathering dust after a while. It just doesn't do enough to merit constant use.
Lots of great features, like the size and the Li-Ion battery. Unfortunately, it's still skimpy on the RAM (2 MB), and there's no expandability. I might have to go with the IIIx (like the III but with 4 MB RAM, expandable, and with the improved display).
I've already blown by the first MB of memory on my Palm III and I've only had it for about a month. This is mostly because of the apps I've downloaded for it. I'll probably delete a bunch of them, but I know I'm also keeping a bunch too.
Will the new Palm V have more memory? I know that the Palm IIIx will have 4MB and a proprietary slot that could be used for memory expansion. My Palm wish list would definitely include more RAM and a RAM expansion slot. Rechargeable *and* removable batteries would be nice.
I'm not sure I like the top-mounted power switch and contrast button. But this is probably because I'm used to the flip-up cover on the Palm III.
The Palm V sure looks cool though.
If you're looking for more powerful portable computers, for instance to run Linux, wearables.blu.org might help (as might its link to www.controlled.com).
What happened to color? Larger screen with a floating graffiti window? The VII looks like III with an antenna grafted onto the side. The V looks like a repackaged III. 3Com/USR/Palm/whatever has stagnated completely with the loss of Hawkins and Dubinsky, and it seems like every new device will be an incremental "improvement" from the previous version. Hate to say it but the new Micro$haft color devices look better than this thing. Not that I'm gonna buy one though--the III is finally reasonably priced. Guess it's time to order a III, since I'll have a couple years' wait to get what I think a PDA should be.
When are they going to put a headphone jack and more memory in these so you could download and play mp3's?
The future is later, I can't wait.
Everything written here has been annouced by the company already. No streches here.
Many people looking at the Palm Pilot would have noticed a recent drop in price of the Palm III and the older Palm Pro's. This is due to the rollout of three new models. The first is the Palm Pilot III X This is everything the Palm III offers, but with a better screen, MS Outlook conduit, and 4MB RAM. The III X is set to retail at 369, the original price of the old one. This is due out in late-Febuary.
The Palm V, shown here is set to sell at 449, and is 3Com's answer to size. In essence, this is the Palm III on steroids.
The Palm VII, has been heard about for awhile, the Internet version of the Palm III. No seriously detailed information by me on this.
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I'll wait to see how expensive Apple's P1 portable will be...
And then I'll be waiting till LinuxPPC gets ported to it...
While a color screen would be cool, wireless net access would actually be useful. Many of us cannot survive without our Palm Pilots. I think if you're into time management or have gotten seriously burned for not being into time management, then you come to depend on your Pilot.
However, if you just get one because they're cool, eventually the novelty wears off and they begin to gather dust. A color screen would just delay the onset of dust gathering. But wireless net access in a smaller form factor--then I'd have to get out the credit card.
I got to try the Palm V at a press meeting with 3Com last week, and it's totally cool. The case is made in aluminium and it's THIN. The screen is like a thousand times better too compared to the old Palm Pro.
:-(
Too bad I had to sign a NDA to get to play with it. I got the pictures today but can't post them yet.
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I hate to beat a dead horse severely...but...
Damn Steve Jobs for killing the Newton! Everytime I see an article about how great the NEXT Palm will be all I can do is think about how far they still have to go to catch up to the last Newton, which was produced almost 2 years ago.
It really kills me when people say that Newton HWR sucked and that Graffiti is so much better. Nobody seems to know that Graffiti was developed FOR the Newt and was no longer needed because their handwriting recognition was so good at the end?
*sigh*
Oh well...I can change none of this. I just wish someone would hurry up nad produce another small, powerful, flexible, usable handheld. One day...
P.S. I too am looking forward to the P1. Mmmm...G3 in a eMate case...
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Thanks for the pointer. I'll check them out.
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
In the past, I've had weird RPM problems with RH's Kernel updates. I am glad they didn't release an actual kernel RPM because they usually botch it up. Or at least the initscripts*.RPM.
/usr/local location. RH however, likes to integrate it into their /usr partition. They also integrated their FVWM menu structure into it. This is kinda nice, but also a pain if you want to edit the menu. WM has a nice WMPrefs app that allows you to easily configure the menu.
/usr/local location. I prefer /usr/local for all add-on systems for several reasons. One, I like to keep a base /usr partition that isn't too big. 2. I like to isolate stuff I added later on in /usr/local. RH also doesn't put the /usr/local in the path like it should either.
I don't mind compiling the kernel, but I'd like to know if anyone tried these RPM's on 5.2 and if they seemed to work well.
The only gripe I have with RH's RPM's is when they prepare them like they did with the Window Maker RPM on their 5.2 CDROM. I've been running Window Maker for a long time and I personally like to put it in the
Basically, if you install the RH WM RPM, then you can't easily upgrade it unless you get an RPM. The WM tarball is easy to install and includes a simple script to do it. It defaults to the proper
I don't mind tweaking my RH 5.2 system to make up for these minor oversites, but I think they should be addressed by the RH team.
I like the concept of RPM's but I find myself downloading source, compiling it and creating my own RPM's just so things get placed where they are supposed to reside.
If we could just all agree on a standard directory structure that keeps the base OS away from additional programs, I would be happy. I don't want what happened in the world of Winblows to happen to Linux. I hate it when installations, install to strange places and overwrite files I don't want overwritten. RPM's at least let me see what it's going to do...
I run NT at work with over 50 software applications, many of which use ODBC. Every time some new ODBC application is installed, it messes up the rest of the ODBC applications. This is because the developers don't follow any basic rules when installing their ODBC. They don't check to see if ODBC exists already, they don't put files in the right locations, and they don't install ODBC if it isn't there already.
I've had to trouble-shoot Linux library problems, like QT libraries, etc. and I never had as many problems as I do with ODBC under Win95/98/NT. To fix the ODBC problems, I've got to start with a reliable build image (NT w/apps). Take a snapshot of the registry, copy the ODBC* files to a backup location. Install the offending application, then figure out what the heck it did wrong and correct it. SYBASE, ORACLE, MS-SQL, and MS-Office applications are a real pain in the neck if you run several of them on the same NT box.
Please don't let this happen to Linux! As we make things easier for the end users (and I think RPMS are a good step in that direction), then let's put some thought into what we do. The newer RPM GUI tools look very promising. I need to easily see dependencies and exactly what an RPM is going to do.
If we can't make it idiot proof, we should at least have it provide as much detailed information to the system admin as possible. This is simply not done in WinBlows, everything is hidden and not easily discovered.
Kudo's to the RPM designers for a well thought out installer and maintainer. Anyone want to port it to NT? An open source RPM system for Win95/98/NT with a decent GUI would make my day. I am sick of INSTALLSHIELD, WINSTALL, SMS, KIX32, and REXX.
I really like the rechargeable batteries and the thinner case in the Palm V, but I'm perfectly content with my Palm III....
/dev/brain /dev/brain: No such file or directory
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find: cannot open
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The Newton killing was driven in large part by spite. I look at the palmpilot, and my hands start to hurt. Oh well. Funny how everyone seems to want to rush to defend that particular choice of SJ's. Won't develop any more, won't sell it, won't develop similar products on a timeline that means anything to anyone. The man's starting to be a walking, talking advertisement for open source, whether he knows it or not.
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I was able to pick one up for $199.00 plus $5 shipping
Floating graffiti window would be useful. That way, you could dismiss it if you're reading an e-text in AportisDoc or something, and get the full screen. In fact, there are a fair number of apps that don't or rarely require text input, just tap-selection.
if only they would play my mpgs.. i would get one.
-gng
I've had a Philips Nino for a few months now. I wish it hadn't come with WinCE, since it does crash. But I chose it over the Pilot because it has an on-screen writing area. Once the Pilot has this feature, I'll get it.
;)
As for the PV, it looks great!! 11mm thick? Now THAT is something you can stick in a shirt pocket.
3COM - PLEASE make the writing area virtual... and move the buttons to the sides of the unit. I'll not only buy one (and burn the CE unit in effigy) but I'll also get one for each of my friends.
That way all three of us will have one
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I can put the stylus in one and use the other to store grain for Y2K! <bfg>
End of February, Palm IIIx will be release at same time I believe.
The pics are legit, I've seen the pre-release packet on this baby, and that's what it looks like.
The Palm OS supported the 57.6 speed, but the Palm Clip on modem did not.
There will be a new clip on modelm for the Palm V that will be either 33.6 or 56K.
Don't rely on what that guy says on his page. Just because he couldn't readily see any way that the device can be expanded, doesn't mean it's not possible.
I'm sure if there is a way to upgrade the memory on this thing, the folks at TRG will figure it out!
As for the Palm IIIx, my understanding is that it will ship at the same time as the Palm V.
The only problem I have with Palm Pilots is the huge area of the screen which is wasted as a "defined" writing area. Seems like a waste of valuable screen real estate.
The world is neither black nor white nor good nor evil, only many shades of CowboyNeal.
What happened to color?
Don't want it. Just suck up all my battery.
Larger screen with a floating graffiti window?
Oh yeah, that way I can have graffiti scratches all over my screen? I prefer the dedicated area for graffiti. It just works.
Confused thread?
I'm not trying to start an advocacy flamewar. Pilots are very good as PDAs if you only want diary, databases etc.
However, people willing to put up with something a bit larger should consider a Psion Series 5.
They've 8MB of memory, a Compact Flash slot (type I, up to about 80MB at the moment), come with a Word Processor, Spreadsheet, spell checker etc. and has the best keyboard of any PDA (as well as a touch-sensitive screen).
There's a useful Linux port underway (i.e. with memory management) http://www.calcaria.net/
But as I said, it's quite a bit bigger than a Pilot, and it's also a bit more expensive, so take your pick, people's needs differ. I like the Psion, but it can be awkward to carry around at times.
Apart from the fact, perhaps, that it runs WinCE... Check this: 16MB RAM, LiIon, 65k colors in 320x240, same price as the Palm V (~450$), runs mp3 and mpeg videos, and it has a slot for a IBM microdrive!
The only thing which keeps me from buying one (apart from availability) is the fact that I want one whith USB.
Oh, yes, and a GSM phone which wirelessly connects to one of these flashy earpieces like Christof in the Truman show.
And perhaps VGA.
Actually, a camera on a FlashCard to drop in would be neat, too.
GPS, maybe.
Am I missing anything? -)
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Most of the stuff I hear about the PalmPilot sounds well-engineered. But:
Has no contrast wheel
The antiquated wheel has been superseded by a neat on-screen contrast control that is activated via a contrast button (see below).
Great idea, guys. What if the contrast gets set all the way to 0? How do I find the button to fix it? "If you are having network-related problems, send me an email".
Posted by DonR:
With maybe a mirror? And you could put a small brush in the other stylus slot. Adjust your makeup and play with your Pilot at the same time! Wow! Dontcha just love Technology?
How will a color screen contribute significantly to the utility of the platform?
The PalmIII added IR, which allows Palm owners to share information. This enables Palm owners to share information easily. This makes it easy to exchange notes, contact information, appointments, etc. Any environment with a large number of PalmIII users will see huge advantages from this feature.
The PalmIII also improved the formfactor, which, I have argued elsewhere, is an very important part of the Palms feature set. The easier the device is to carry the more likely you are to carry it and the more useful it will be to you. Similarly if it is easier to hold you will use it more and longer.
Granted, neither of these was enough reason for me to upgrade from a Pro.
The PalmV, on the other hand, may just do it. More compact than a PalmIII while including IR support and an improved screen. I have already explained the size advantage. The improved screen will make it easier to read the display which will make quick accesses even quicker and long accesses much less painful. I have read news & things on my Pro and while I find it treamendously useful to have such a compact, portable and up to date information source, it can cause horrible eyestrain under all but the best lighting conditions. (the rechargable battery should also be useful although its biggest benifit is in enabling a more compact form factor.)
I should also note that there is expected to be a Palm IV, or somesuch, which will improve upon the III with more memory and an expansion slot. This will enable larger custom applications on the platform which can be quite useful in verticle markets.
After that is the Wireless Palm, which I agree, will be a big step up, but it will also be expensive. However, having a vast network of information at your hip will be tremendously useful.
Color, on the other hand, just seems like a gee-whiz feature. I would like to see it in the future, and I think it will help expand the market for the platform, but it will add expense and decreace battery life which will, in turn, decrease the devices general utility. Until the tradeoff for color is less significant I would rather 3com focus their efforts elsewhere.
I think color brings little when compaired to the overall utility of having a pervasive personal information utility. Hell, even on my PC, there is little I do on my color display that I couldn't do just as well on a good B&W display.
Posted by DonR:
I wonder if the Click! drives will work with the PalmV? Has anyone seen/used these things yet? From their website, it appears they hold about 40mb of data on a matchbook sized drive?
It isn't screen real estate. It is the text input area, just like the keyboard on my computer.
On the other hand, it does take up realestate on the device and on something this small, that can be a bit of a waste.
This particular omission doesn't really bother me, but it would be nice if the input area was also display area, then it could be used for something else.
Check out Inkverse ScreenWrite, it allows you to use the entire screen for entering graffiti.
This rather lengthy post was obviously meant for the RH5.2/kernel2.2 article... Not much of a suprise something like this would happen with slashdot's database problems. Don't be so quick to eat this AC alive, give the benefit of the doubt I always say...
It wasn't so much the inability to do it, but the amount of screen real-estate that the dedicated area takes away.
Are there any convincing reasons for the Ppilot 'feature', when it CAN be done in software?
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WinCE units use a virtual area, that goes away at the press of an on-screen button. A better solution, IMHO.
:)
It's too bad that it is probably a patented, inseparable feature of the WinCE OS - you know, sort of like a browser and a mouse with a wheel on it.
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
What if I just wanted to make a minor contrast change? Pressing the button resets?? Yikes, Donald Norman would turn in his grave if were dead.
Some clue for the dense ones out there! ;^D
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1)The V has a rendered look, Trust I should know!
2)The MacOS slider gadget in not a PalmOS standard one.
3)The prefs screen had been doctered to fit eight lines of bold type.
4)56k modem setting is not unique to the so called V.
That sould be enough for ya!
Since there is no visible door, there would be no way to expand the case without replacing the case entirely.
So, to answer your question, if there will be memory upgrades available, I'm sure they will fit without having to make the case bigger.
I thought new Palm's packaging was its battery too. If so, it doesn't
surprise me that you needn't remove it.
Certainly a PalmIII owner shouldn't buy a PalmV, but a lot of PalmPro people will be tempted. I know I'm getting one.
o Awesome form-factor
o Good display
o Rechargable battery
o More memory (than PalmPro)
o Faster processor (I think?)
What about a docking - a "clip-on-thing" with the possibillity for a soundcard and maybe some extra memory to load .mp3 into. The Palm processor only have to be a remote and a power supply...
;D
[DJ Head] rocking with my Rio
There's no way the E-100 will be anywhere near the price-range of the PalmV, I'm guessing it'll start at $950 minimum. I didn't see any specs but it also apears to be quite a bit larger, and heavier than the PalmV. Of course the fact that it runs WinCE renders it a laughing-stock.
Have you every played around with WinCE? It's unbeliavably bad, essentially it's a legacy PC UI grafted atop a poorly designed non-RT RTOS.
I'll buy my PalmV now, then wait 3 years for Symbian to release a palmtop thinner than the PalmV and with better specs than the E-100 (mouth is now salivating).
I heard a rumor that the UK date won't be much later, just a week or two.
Whatever happened to the Palm IV? :-)
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I am let down by how little USR/3com has done to support those that invested in the Palm modem. They should provide an adapter that fits the Pilot Pro style modem so it can more snuggly attach to a PalmIII and fit the PalmV. Otherwise, if I need to re-invest yet again for a modem with the PalmV, I would prefer to fork out $100 extra towards the modem being conviently built into the Palm itself. Considering that the 3Com 56K PC Card for laptops can be had at retail for a little as $150, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect 3Com to be able to provide a snap-out modem jack built-in to a $600 PalmV.
The Palm V has one big minus to it - it isn't expandable. You can't add memory or anything else for that matter... but I guess you can survive with 4MB for a while.
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I loved my Pro, but doggone it, just had to upgrade last December when 3Com handed out those niftly clear III cases at the Palm Devcon. What good was the case without the unit? . It was actually a worthwhile upgrade. (Pro to III) and while not everyone will make every upgrade, this is a good thing imho. Palm has never really forced anyone to upgrade...too bad we can't say that about more vendors...
"Although we may build the technology that we define as tools, we must be vigilant that those tools do not define us."
How could these be evidence of stagnation when the designs had to be far enough along to be sent off to manfacturing months ago?
The Palms are appliances, and unlike Wince devices are designed to absolutely positively
The extra features the naysayers want are generally not necessary or terribly useful for even a power user. Voice recording without transcription? Richtext wordprocessing? Animation support? Frames-capable web browser? Color?
Any of these would be nice, but with the possible exception of color, they run counter to the Palm devices' mission: to replace a Filofax.
The Palm V offers no reason for a Palm III-level user to upgrade, but heck, my Personal upgraded to a Pro upgraded to a III does its job just fine. As a corporate web app developer, the only PDA around that really offers something new and compelling is the forthcoming Palm VII. If you're an end user, it looks expensive and limited. If you're a developer interested in roaming field apps, it's exciting as all hell.
I have seen a Sun Rep running applets on his Pilot. For some reason they don't let it get out and around.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
... that's right, 8 lines.
o The PalmV pics show a very profesional design,
not something a faker could manage (ie lot's of
usabilty testing, focus groups, etc...)
o The images don't look rendered, I suspect he
directly scanned them (ie laid the pilot on
a flatbed scanner. Gee I guess you don't know
what a rendered image looks like, after all.
o Look at the images closely, there's a lot of
fine detail, it would be very hard to create a
3D model that complex, there would have to be
thousands of triangles, not worth the hassle.
o People have posted above who have seen the PalmV
first hand, and they don't find anything wrong
with the images.
o PalmOS doesn't have a standard slider widget,
they probably wrote a new one just for this.
o The general prefs screen on a PalmPro is 6 lines
of add "Beam Receive" and "Stay on in Cradle"
and you have
o The guy was wrong about 56K being new, he isn't
an expert, big deal.
Greetings,
Well, I'm running a PalmPilot (Pro!) w/ 8MB of main and 2MB of Flash (the TRG XL expansion), so the new memory doesn't do anything for me... The thinness is keen, but not worthy of upgrading.
But why no CompactFlash adapter?!? It'd fit with the size, it'd allow infinite (or near such!) expandability (heaven forfend the IBM CF-II drives at 360MB in a Pilot...!), and it's Just Good Tech!
In any case, the ONLY reason I'd consider getting a new Pilot is the IR capabilities, but I just don't see another $300 worth of capability in any of these 'upgrades'.
Pity. Maybe if someone ported Linux to the WinCE machines they'd be usable. THAT would be a blast! In the mean time, I'm over 4MB used in my Pilot, not including the extra MB stored in my Flash. If the new Pilots don't support the TRG memory cards then it's going to have to be one heck of an incredible upgrade. (Color, CF-II, IR, and thin together might just do it though...)
If you're not a pilot owner yet, though, these new models are SWEET, and I do highly recommend them. (I admit, I only wish I'd gotten the black IBM Palm Pro. For pure style reasons...)
Ahh, the Joys of Toys.
Seems like a waste of valuable screen real estate.
The screen is square which is ultra cool if you are doing graphs, etc. The graffiti area is a great trade-off because of the way the unit is used. Unlike a computer you usually turn the PalmPilot on 20-30 times per day for short intervals to look things up. The first thing I do is use the graffiti area, and I appreciate the simplicity. The CE devices make you keep pushing the stupid Jot pop-up button which is TOTALLY INSANE!
Besides if you look at the front you can see more places where they can get more space back. Just look at the gap between the hard buttons and the screen. It's like 1/4"! All measurements are arbitrary so I don't care that the screen isn't as big as a CE device.
I do searches in the blind lots of times and lots of people can do 20+ WPM in graffiti which makes it almost acceptable for decent data entry.
Another thing that CE people advocate; rechargeable batteries. All rechargeables have a shelf-life for shit! The last thing I want is a dead battery after 3 weeks of sitting in my briefcase.
Reference: the specifications on the offical Palm website
This thing is reminiscent of the slimmer 8 bit Nintendo that was released months after everyone had a Super Nintendo, or the smaller GameBoy, translucent GameBoy, 'color' GameBoy, etc... Between the PV and the PIIIX they are squeezing as much money they can out of the III platform. This is not a good sign for the pilot community. They had better start INNOVATING and fast.
Will
Check http://www.shopper.com (search "palm iii") first. Buycomp is usually the cheapest but their shipping is high and if you live in California, it might be worth it to buy elsewhere to avoid tax. Also, they don't ship internationally, but others (CMPExpress?) do. Also, price wars pop up every week or two. :)
Actually, my information comes from news.com, in an article they had about three weeks ago.
-Michael J. Lu
-Michael J. Lu
"The little secret that haunts Corporate America...a techonology that won't go away."
Here in Honolulu (where everything is overpriced, I found that Palm IIIs go for $299. While looking over the goods at the local CompUSA, I noticed that the PalmPilot Pro goes for $199, and the upgrade to a Palm III is $79. Heh.
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You mean you'll put down your rock, and I'll put down my sword and we'll try and kill each other like civilized peo
Maybe. There wasn't a Palm II, was there. And they're jumping from V to VII.
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You mean you'll put down your rock, and I'll put down my sword and we'll try and kill each other like civilized peo
Get a new Windows CE PalmSize PC.
As usual, MS delivers what you really want.
I'm not so sure thats a bad thing. The gameboy is the most successful handheld videogame in history. All the others, Atari Lynx, GameGear, turbographix, etc have failed even though they had better technology.
Even though the gameboy is old tech, the gameboy
succeeded because of:
long battery life (compared to the others)
lots of games
small form factor
All things that the palm's have over the PalmSized PCs.
Dave
Get a new Windows CE PalmSize PC (casio E100).
Another example of MS delivering what you really want.
Get a Windows CE machine.
Again, MS delivers what you want.
The one reason why I love the Palm so much is it's simplicity. If I wanted wireless 'Net access and high storage, I would have bought another laptop (probably the new Porteges or a Libretto). Oh, well.
MS makes the engine, casio makes the shell.
MS makes it all possible, Linsux doesn't.
I haven't checked out the info on the Palm website.. but I REASSURE YOU that it is NOT 1.8 mm thick.
Do you have ANY idea what 1.8mm is?!?! That's not EVEN 2 cm.
I'm holding a Palm V right now. There, I just waved it in front of the screen.
These babies aren't expandable, because there isn't a memory card slot inside them. The memory is on the MB, and the case is sealed. You'll break it before you get it opened. (If you do open one up, you might want to look REALLY closely at the memory chips themselves, though...)
The IIIx's are kind of strange. There's 4Mb on the MB and an empty memory card slot. When I put in an old III 2M memory card, the OS can't see the memory on the MB anymore. Don't know why.
Haven't had that many chances to play with a IIIx, so I don't know yet.
I'm looking at them side by side on my desk. Looking over the top of the V, I can see the seperation line where the back of the III case meets the front case.
The V is about half as thick as the III
It's identical to the picture. It isn't a fake.
Re: MS makes the engine, casio makes the shell
ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
ARM, Intel, Motorola, MIPS, Hitachi, etc. they make the engine! Casio does, in fact, make the shell. And, though not completely correct, you could make the analogy that Microsoft makes the low octane gasoline that this particular Engine runs on. Any you are certainly free to run it other higher performance fuels though you may have to tinker with the molecular structure of that fuel a bit to make it compatible with the engine in question. (Of course, the correct analogy is that the fuel for this engine is not software, it is electricity - but the software does kinda fit in their too. Maybe the electricity is analogous to oxygen and the software to gasoline - both of which are required to run a combustion engine. But I certainly stick by my original point that the microprocessor is really the engine here.)
Its dead. IT cant run pocket word, it can't run pocket excell or even pocket schedule or even browse the net or even comes with more then 4 megs of ram. 8-16 and even 32 megs of ram are more common in the windows ce models and therfore can run more pwerfull apps. AND IT DOESN"T EVEN RUN WINDOWS OR VBSCRIPT! Face it guys you can't share information with the world and you can program apps with visual basic on all the windows version. I know I wrote a small vb app on my windows ce device to store bussiness supply invoices and the program was almost 750k. THis tiny simple little app would of eaten all the memory of the palm pilots 1.2. and 3. What a piece of junk. USE WINDOWS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
Probably when they upgrade the processor to something less brain dead than a 68000. As 3COM just use a plain ole 68322 dragonball processor they are tied to what Motorola produce. I'd image that Mot will be bringing out a ColdFire based chip at some point but don't hold your breath... A V3 CF core with the performance of a P100 and power consumption less that the current m68k device...nice.
Then you can do MP3s
This common misconception is so wrong that it's funny. Porn did not draw VHS into the marketplace; the appeal of VHS is that you can tape something on TV and watch it later (although in these days of cable and 100 channels that seems less important, it was more so 10 years ago). If porn ruled the world, laserdisks would have made it somewhere, but as thousands of potential buyers have said, you can't record onto a laserdisk.
I can't imagine where your "CD" comes from, as CD's hold music; unless you mean data CD's, which made it big because they are an infinitely superior distribution medium than floppies, though they were drawn into the marketplace first with games. DVD is not mass-market yet, so no comment.
Some people have said the same thing about the Internet, but what made the Internet important is not porn but email. Sure, there is a lot of porn, but it by no means rules the Internet, nor is it really important.
Don't overestimate porn. It really just shows up where the people are, not the other way around. People aren't going to buy color PalmPilots so they can look at naked women, although it *sounds* almost ridiculous enough to be true.
The Welcome-To address brought up a site not found... Hello?
"small program" == 750k ? "win.*" : "Linux"
/. there goes my C programming credentials.
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Just as well I don't have the pw yet.
Posted by psychokid:
If you want one of the folowing:
1-Color Screen
2-Sound
3-Tons of Memory
4-Multiple Web browsing
5-Movie files
6-enomorously large databases
7-Presentation capabilities
8-Voice Recognition
Then get a laptop, because those features in a PDA, in any PDA, will push it to the price of a cheap notebook that's far more capable at doing those tasks.
Otherwise, you probably should look for these things in a PDA
1-Ease of Use and access
2-Convenience of Use
3-Reliability
4-Ease of Input
If I want to browse the web and view movie files, I have my full-blown computers to do so.
The whole intention for use of a personal information device and a computer is completely different.
For those wanting more out of a Palm system, I suggest how about replacing these Dragonballs with Xeons? (btw, that's sarcasm for you people who demand workstations out of PDAs)
You can get the PalmIII for $229 at onsale "at cost", though there's a "service fee" or something, and shipping is expesive too (maybe for for Hawaii to).
I have the upgrade, and I sort of wish I had the new form factor, and my buttons didn't get stuck down sometimes... oh well.
Ai'haia ka'lumi ho'o'pau pi'likia?
Posted by Blake Patterson:
Actually, the Palm units do not have the processor power or, really, the memory to run WindowsCE. It's far more complex an operating system then PalmOS.
bp
Not to diminish your justifiable sense of frustration, but it is common practice for companies not to honor published adds with obvious misprints. As it was, buy.com did use a lottery to give away their in-stock monitors at the obviously erronous price, something like 1000 of them, which is > $500000 of losses for them.
I have heard nothing but praise from those that have bought palms from them. I have never ordered from them myself, so I cannot assert any more then that.
In the end it is the beginning.
Actually, the upgrade now to Palm III (including 2M, IR, and Palm OS3.0) is only about $50. Go to www.shopper.com, search for palm upgrade or palm memory, then sort by price.
56K Modem....
I understand CE has REAL compatibility problems, when ou move software from one CD/Pda to the next, (READS: it don't work) With the Palm Lineup... if it works on one, it works on all (mostly:)
http://www.excite.com/computers_and_internet/tech
has a description curiously similar to the welcome.to page, makes me thing those pics were legit.
Seth
Posted by Jrpikachu:
If you are calling Palm Pilot the GameBoy of PDA's is that a compliment on it's success (GameBoy is considered the most successful video game platform ever...at least by Nintendo...) or are you ridiculing it for it's simplicity (simplicity=what people need)
On the other hand I must say I feel foolish posting messages on something so luxurious as handheld computing while there are still children starving every day. I don't think this platform means much to them.
I think a replaceable/disposible plastic sheet the clips onto the screen to protect it, and when it gets marked up you just put a new one on.
Eh?
I agree with everything the AC above has said. However, from past experience with the PalmPC machines, there is one other thing to consider: they announce early and deliver short and late.
Does anyone remember when the PalmPCs were announced in December 1997? They said there were going to be like 8 models released that coming April. In the end, there were 3 released in JUNE. Don't hold your breath. You will just give yourself a headache.
bob
I looked at BUY.com last week. I thought their prices were weak. I bought a 300 Mhz CTX laptop at Eghead.com for $1275. All the prices I've found for this unit were $400-$500 more.