...they ruin it. Good post. But it's not just Linux. Look how cool usenet was before the masses got to it. Look how cool the internet was before yuppie Jim with his gas guzzling SUV, his silk tie, his plastic wife, and his 2.2 kids got into it. Linux is still open source. It still has a core community of Unix nerds though. Go to any Linux meeting. Do you see suits? No! It's because they still don't get it. A few posters mentioned that they fled Linux in favor of BSD, another cool open source OS. But instead of abandoning ship entirely, let's save this one.
Who cares about the maturity level of Linux users. That's an argument ad hominum (sp?). I've never seen BSD and I imagine that it kicks ass but Linux has so many killer aps for it already and more are flowing in daily. Plus, it's fast, efficient (not a memory hog, are you listening Bill?), and it doesn't crash. I bet you could say the same for BSD and more power to you. You can't fault an OS for its users.
I don't think most of the "negative" comments about America were meant to sound like spitting on America. They were more pointing out flaws in our past and things we need to do as a nation in the future. I think most of us could agree that it is better to say "I love my country and I'd like to improve it" than "My country right or wrong" or "America- love it or leave it". Kind of like my computer. It used to have exclusively NT on it when I was doing Visual Basic programming. Then I decided out of love for my computer that I should put a real OS on there and turned it into a dual boot. Now, out of more love for my computer, it's exclusively Linux and I recently upgraded my KDE to KDE 1.1 and it smokes! Back to your point, it is also important to take responsibility for our actions. If we as a nation are doing something wrong, then we should stop doing it instead of having that attitude that we're right because we're Americans. If we'd stop playing world police, maybe half of the world won't hate us anymore.
hmm...i thought being called a hacker was one of the best things you could be called. Other than that and the thing about Linux not using a mouse (definitely needs to lay off the glue sniffing), a pretty fair article. btw, are we really up to 12 million already?
Ah, need a brush up on your history, amigo. NOBODY important in the American revolution was a Christian. They were all deists. Jefferson was a big fan of Jesus but he thought the rest of the Bible was horseshit. Franklin and Paine were also Deists, closer to Native American beliefs than Christians. Yes, they did believe in a Creator, but not the Christian God. In history, the Christians were possibly the worst people who ever lived. We have them to thank from everything to the American attempted genocide of the Native Americans to the Inquisition. Columbus engineered a complete genocide, down to the last man, woman and child where he landed, something even Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, or Amin couldn't accomplish. Not that all Christians were bad. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Christian and as a person, few could compare. I've met many other real good Christian men and women, but unfortunately, the Pat Robertons and Jerry Falwells of the world tend to steal all the press. If you want to read something brilliant written by a Christian, read Ryme of the Ancient Mariner. Just giving credit where credit is due. Not meant to offend anyone.
Well, there you go. Please do us Linux lovers a favor and forward this statement to the press and make that schmuck eat his words. I wouldn't know. I've never worked on IBM's unix, only Solaris, HPUX, SGI's, DEC's, and Linux, but this was obviously an intentional media slam on Linux in favor of IBM's unix.
the beauty of linux is that it doesn't have to be anything. you'll have the choice of GUIs, or if you want, no GUI. that's up for you to set up. as for the average user nowadays, they want something easy to use. i'm looking forward to corel's linux. it will have everything set up for you and all you'll have to do is turn the power on and log in. you'll have your kde-like desktop and your office suite waiting for you. that perfectly suits the average user, like my folks or my girlfriend. if we could pull them away from microshaft, more power to kde or gnome or whatever bells and whistles GUI it took to do that. i personally use vi still to write everything, and i'm more comfortable with the command line than some icon you push and hope it works. that's my choice. in a selfish respect, i'm looking forward to the day any moron could use a computer, because when something goes wrong, i could charge him an arm and a leg to fix it.
Before reading the rest of this post, go back and read all the posts by Bruce Perens. I think he's said it about 3 or 4 times now. KDE is cool. So will GNOME be when it's ready. From the screenshots, Enlightenment looks like the best-looking. I've been running KDE 0.99 since 12/11/1999 and it hasn't crashed on me once. I haven't even bothered to upgrade because I have no need to. My girlfriend, a Windoze user, loves it so much that she'd rather log on to my Linux box than Windoze now. I'm looking forward to the day when Linux users stop sounding like whiney Mac users and stop bickering over stupid shit like this.
nice screenshots, dude! i'd show you mine but i think yours will kick mine's ass. i'm running kde, didn't do much extra stuff except for get as many icons as i could from themes.org. as for e, it looks pretty but from what i've heard, it doesn't seem too stable. however with screenshots like you've posted, i may just stick with kde and run window maker for the wm. thanks for posting those.
was Reagan lowered the taxes for the rich and raised the taxes for the poor, while de-regulating just about everything, and he did just about everything he possibly could to destroy labor unions. then of course, he made the religious right's wacked out ideals mainstream, sold arms to iran to fund the contras, and armed (along with the french) our good dear friend saddam hussein, who at the time of the reagan presidency was our ally since they were the "good guys" in the war iran-iraq war. i wasn't too clear about the AC's post either but i think he (or she) was implying a cynicism that the whole anti-clinton thing is bullshit because every president lied, yet only clinton got shafted. unfair? sure. not like i like clinton, especially since he continued the war against iraq, is for the gov't killing american citizens, bans guns, and sponsors orwellian bills like the cda, then ups the ante on the "war on drugs," lowers treatment for drugs, and puts more cops on the street. however, for all the things i don't like clinton for, busting him for getting a blowjob is just plain wrong and has only succeeded in getting any level-headed person in the country to hate the republican party.
it was obviously mocking his tone. just like the liberals have their political correctness, the conservatives whenever presented with facts dismiss the facts as "revisionist history," thus cancelling out any chance of a rational argument.
i had a video card that didn't work with redhat so they told me to use suse instead. could you imagine microshaft doing that? if it weren't for redhat, linux would have half the users it has now, if that.
hmm...eterms rule with kde. which eterms are you using? i had no luck with the rpms and compiled the source instead and didn't have any trouble. i'm using eterm-0.8.8. try that and good luck.
Ah, why work when you can deal drugs? well,let me tell you something. many socialist european nations give drugs away, putting the drug dealers out of business and making it so that drug addicts don't have to kill for drugs. In true socialism, you have a society based on cooperation. If John down the street gets laid off, he knows he has a safety net so he doesn't need to commit armed robbery to get that loaf of bread for his family. But in this country, people believe if you're poor, you're lazy, you're scum. I came from poverty, amigo. Some of my friends worked much harder than I did and they're in jail. They had good intentions too but poverty broke their spirits. That's hard for a middle-class man like I assume yourself to understand. (My apologies if I'm wrong). I was lucky because I took advantage of a socialist idea we have in this country called student loans. The gov't loans you money for college and when you graduate, you pay it back. Now I'm on my way to being very rich. It's too bad that not all the people I grew up with made it. One of my ex's is now a prostitute. She was a good woman but you'd probably see her as lazy and immoral. Several are in jail. Two are dead.
Yeah, it's really sad. The extent of people's knowledge of history are names of president's and kings and queens. Before we had labor unions, kids would be literally worked to death. When the unions initially started, companies hired the Pinkerton detectives to shoot protesters. The United States gov't usually intervened, almost always on the side of big business. But labor unions grew too strong and they eventually won safer working conditions, a living wage, a forty-hour work week, child-labor laws and benefits. Personally, I'd like to kick anyone's ass who crosses a picket line because the battle still goes on.
Let's stop the name calling and get realistic. My girlfriend, who used to exclusively use windows, now likes linux better because of the ease of KDE combined with the stability of linux. She would never even considered linux had it not been for KDE's sweet graphical interface. I'm sure there are many like her. As for me, I like KDE and Enlightenment, and what I've seen so far of GNOME, I like that too. Just because you like one doesn't mean you have to hate the other.
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...they ruin it. Good post. But it's not just Linux. Look how cool usenet was before the masses got to it. Look how cool the internet was before yuppie Jim with his gas guzzling SUV, his silk tie, his plastic wife, and his 2.2 kids got into it.
Linux is still open source. It still has a core community of Unix nerds though. Go to any Linux meeting. Do you see suits? No! It's because they still don't get it.
A few posters mentioned that they fled Linux in favor of BSD, another cool open source OS. But instead of abandoning ship entirely, let's save this one.
Who cares about the maturity level of Linux users. That's an argument ad hominum (sp?).
I've never seen BSD and I imagine that it kicks ass but Linux has so many killer aps for it already and more are flowing in daily. Plus, it's fast, efficient (not a memory hog, are you listening Bill?), and it doesn't crash. I bet you could say the same for BSD and more power to you.
You can't fault an OS for its users.
I don't think most of the "negative" comments about America were meant to sound like spitting on America. They were more pointing out flaws in our past and things we need to do as a nation in the future. I think most of us could agree that it is better to say "I love my country and I'd like to improve it" than "My country right or wrong" or "America- love it or leave it".
Kind of like my computer. It used to have exclusively NT on it when I was doing Visual Basic programming. Then I decided out of love for my computer that I should put a real OS on there and turned it into a dual boot. Now, out of more love for my computer, it's exclusively Linux and I recently upgraded my KDE to KDE 1.1 and it smokes!
Back to your point, it is also important to take responsibility for our actions. If we as a nation are doing something wrong, then we should stop doing it instead of having that attitude that we're right because we're Americans. If we'd stop playing world police, maybe half of the world won't hate us anymore.
hmm...i thought being called a hacker was one of the best things you could be called.
Other than that and the thing about Linux not using a mouse (definitely needs to lay off the glue sniffing), a pretty fair article.
btw, are we really up to 12 million already?
Ah, need a brush up on your history, amigo.
NOBODY important in the American revolution was a Christian. They were all deists. Jefferson was a big fan of Jesus but he thought the rest of the Bible was horseshit. Franklin and Paine were also Deists, closer to Native American beliefs than Christians. Yes, they did believe in a Creator, but not the Christian God.
In history, the Christians were possibly the worst people who ever lived. We have them to thank from everything to the American attempted genocide of the Native Americans to the Inquisition. Columbus engineered a complete genocide, down to the last man, woman and child where he landed, something even Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, or Amin couldn't accomplish.
Not that all Christians were bad. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Christian and as a person, few could compare. I've met many other real good Christian men and women, but unfortunately, the Pat Robertons and Jerry Falwells of the world tend to steal all the press.
If you want to read something brilliant written by a Christian, read Ryme of the Ancient Mariner.
Just giving credit where credit is due. Not meant to offend anyone.
-El C.
Oh, Mr. Political Correct. Do you want me to burn my Wagner albums because Hitler loved Wagner too? Oh, shame shame shame on me.
Well, there you go. Please do us Linux lovers a favor and forward this statement to the press and make that schmuck eat his words. I wouldn't know. I've never worked on IBM's unix, only Solaris, HPUX, SGI's, DEC's, and Linux, but this was obviously an intentional media slam on Linux in favor of IBM's unix.
-El C.
the beauty of linux is that it doesn't have to be anything. you'll have the choice of GUIs, or if you want, no GUI. that's up for you to set up. as for the average user nowadays, they want something easy to use.
i'm looking forward to corel's linux. it will have everything set up for you and all you'll have to do is turn the power on and log in. you'll have your kde-like desktop and your office suite waiting for you. that perfectly suits the average user, like my folks or my girlfriend. if we could pull them away from microshaft, more power to kde or gnome or whatever bells and whistles GUI it took to do that.
i personally use vi still to write everything, and i'm more comfortable with the command line than some icon you push and hope it works. that's my choice. in a selfish respect, i'm looking forward to the day any moron could use a computer, because when something goes wrong, i could charge him an arm and a leg to fix it.
Before reading the rest of this post, go back and read all the posts by Bruce Perens. I think he's said it about 3 or 4 times now.
KDE is cool. So will GNOME be when it's ready. From the screenshots, Enlightenment looks like the best-looking.
I've been running KDE 0.99 since 12/11/1999 and it hasn't crashed on me once. I haven't even bothered to upgrade because I have no need to. My girlfriend, a Windoze user, loves it so much that she'd rather log on to my Linux box than Windoze now.
I'm looking forward to the day when Linux users stop sounding like whiney Mac users and stop bickering over stupid shit like this.
nice screenshots, dude!
i'd show you mine but i think yours will kick mine's ass. i'm running kde, didn't do much extra stuff except for get as many icons as i could from themes.org.
as for e, it looks pretty but from what i've heard, it doesn't seem too stable. however with screenshots like you've posted, i may just stick with kde and run window maker for the wm.
thanks for posting those.
was Reagan lowered the taxes for the rich and raised the taxes for the poor, while de-regulating just about everything, and he did just about everything he possibly could to destroy labor unions.
then of course, he made the religious right's wacked out ideals mainstream, sold arms to iran to fund the contras, and armed (along with the french) our good dear friend saddam hussein, who at the time of the reagan presidency was our ally since they were the "good guys" in the war iran-iraq war.
i wasn't too clear about the AC's post either but i think he (or she) was implying a cynicism that the whole anti-clinton thing is bullshit because every president lied, yet only clinton got shafted. unfair? sure. not like i like clinton, especially since he continued the war against iraq, is for the gov't killing american citizens, bans guns, and sponsors orwellian bills like the cda, then ups the ante on the "war on drugs," lowers treatment for drugs, and puts more cops on the street. however, for all the things i don't like clinton for, busting him for getting a blowjob is just plain wrong and has only succeeded in getting any level-headed person in the country to hate the republican party.
it was obviously mocking his tone. just like the liberals have their political correctness, the conservatives whenever presented with facts dismiss the facts as "revisionist history," thus cancelling out any chance of a rational argument.
i had a video card that didn't work with redhat so they told me to use suse instead.
could you imagine microshaft doing that?
if it weren't for redhat, linux would have half the users it has now, if that.
hmm...eterms rule with kde. which eterms are you using? i had no luck with the rpms and compiled the source instead and didn't have any trouble. i'm using eterm-0.8.8. try that and good luck.
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Ah, why work when you can deal drugs? well,let me tell you something. many socialist european nations give drugs away, putting the drug dealers out of business and making it so that drug addicts don't have to kill for drugs.
In true socialism, you have a society based on cooperation. If John down the street gets laid off, he knows he has a safety net so he doesn't need to commit armed robbery to get that loaf of bread for his family. But in this country, people believe if you're poor, you're lazy, you're scum. I came from poverty, amigo. Some of my friends worked much harder than I did and they're in jail. They had good intentions too but poverty broke their spirits. That's hard for a middle-class man like I assume yourself to understand. (My apologies if I'm wrong). I was lucky because I took advantage of a socialist idea we have in this country called student loans. The gov't loans you money for college and when you graduate, you pay it back. Now I'm on my way to being very rich. It's too bad that not all the people I grew up with made it. One of my ex's is now a prostitute. She was a good woman but you'd probably see her as lazy and immoral. Several are in jail. Two are dead.
Yeah, it's really sad. The extent of people's knowledge of history are names of president's and kings and queens.
Before we had labor unions, kids would be literally worked to death. When the unions initially started, companies hired the Pinkerton detectives to shoot protesters. The United States gov't usually intervened, almost always on the side of big business. But labor unions grew too strong and they eventually won safer working conditions, a living wage, a forty-hour work week, child-labor laws and benefits.
Personally, I'd like to kick anyone's ass who crosses a picket line because the battle still goes on.
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Let's stop the name calling and get realistic. My girlfriend, who used to exclusively use windows, now likes linux better because of the ease of KDE combined with the stability of linux. She would never even considered linux had it not been for KDE's sweet graphical interface. I'm sure there are many like her. As for me, I like KDE and Enlightenment, and what I've seen so far of GNOME, I like that too. Just because you like one doesn't mean you have to hate the other.