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Mitnick to Plead Guilty
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to a ZDNet article that proclaims that
Kevin Mitnick will
Plead Guilty to computer-related crimes. After four years
in prison waiting for a trial, he might be out by the end of the
year.
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Okay, first off, Mitnick is a scum-sucking cracker, no arguments
He did some incredibly stupid things, again, no arguments.
What I think people should be worried about here is the fact that he was fed into a largely computer-illiterate machine that has held him without trial for four (4) years. If you look at the basics of this case, ignoring the fact that Kevin is the poster boy for "d00dz" everywhere, it should make you nervous.
ZDTV's CyberCrime Bureau -- which includes former prosecutor Luke
.... lawyers??
Reiter, litigator Alex Wellen, and reformed hacker Kevin Poulsen -- will
continue to bring you coverage.
What the heck is a reformed hacker?? Someone who used to solve problems and now writes for pathetically inaccurate publications?
Did Kevin Poulsen have to renounce his 'hacking ways' before joining a team of
C'mon... I wish the general public had a clue, or atleast the media that serves them.
I agree. I am a UNIX hacker, and I am sinkantired of lamers using the honorable title of hacker to justify their goddamn cracking. I am a hacker, and I am no longer pround to tell people that because of the bad reputation you crackers have given us. While I agree that Kevin should be freed, I will not put up with IdIoTs WhO ThInK tHaT ThEy ArE KiNg ShIt because they can run a script that will give them etc/passwd. I wish to be once again pround to say I am a hacker, and I hope others like me are tired of lamers. Scott Torres
I agree. I am a UNIX hacker, and I am sinkantired of lamers using the honorable title of hacker to justify their goddamn cracking. I am a hacker, and I am no longer pround to tell people that because of the bad reputation you crackers have given us. While I agree that Kevin should be freed, I will not put up with IdIoTs WhO ThInK tHaT ThEy ArE KiNg ShIt because they can run a script that will give them etc/passwd. I wish to be once again pround to say I am a hacker, and I hope others like me are tired of lamers. Scott Torres Oops!-)
If you were to post such scurrilous drivel again, I am afraid that, by Hroswitha, I would have to smite you about the head within an inch of your life! Ho hum.
Your working boy,
- Lance.
I don't care what he did or how he did it.
The point is that an American has been held without bail or without a trial for almost FOUR YEARS.
Once he's out, we can all get together and argue about his personality and put labels on him. Ok?
There nothing I can't stand more than a bunch of crybabies saying "Its not hacker, its cracker/meanie/scriptkid/badboy!"
/. posters, you would think that most of you are experts at A) Making wooden furniture with axes or B) playing a really bad game of golf.
Obviously, none of you morons have ever heard of the fact that some words have multiple meanings. For EXAMPLE, did you know one of the definitions of "moron" is an inferior olive size having a woody pulp and a large clingstone pit, growing in the mountainous and high-valley districts around the city of Moron, in Spain (Yes, its even a city name).
And, what's the original meaning of hacker? One who, or that which, hacks. Specifically: A cutting instrument for making notches; esp., one used for notching pine trees in collecting turpentine; a hack. Or, someone who makes furniture with an axe. Hell, the word is even used to describe people who play golf poorly!
So, since I don't know how well Mitnick makes furniture with an axe, or how bad his golf game is, I can't judge if he's a hacker or not. However, from reading some of the posts from
So before donning your Bullwinkle Antlers and proclaiming yourself Mister-Know-It-All, look it up, eggheads!
PS: egghead n : an intellectual (who is bald?)
I've had two FREE KEVIN bumper stickers on my car for quite some time now. I must have explained the Mitnick situation to a hundred people. The whole FREE KEVIN movement wasn't because he's an innocent person and doesn't belong in prison. It's because the U.S. Government has refused him a damn trial until now. Whatever happened to a fair and speedy trial? Granted, he IS guilty as hell, but refusing to give him a trial is complete and utter bullshit. This is why I supported the FREE KEVIN movement. Not because, as a lot of you jerks put it, he's a lamer script kiddie cracker.
You should accept your punishment as did Boethius! O' Fortuna! Where will you spin your great wheel of fortune!
Does anyone else thing there should be a more PC term for hacker for the media to use so they aren't as easily confused with a malice cracker?
Once and for all, the word Hacker IS good! When you hack a system you break into it. Man.. hacking was already used for breaking in when none of you could even afford computers, so cut the "cracker" bullshit!
it IS the injustice part that is more important. Mitnick is a social-engineering, garbage digging scum, but so what? does he deserve 4 years in prison without a trial?
who in the right mind would waive a speedy trial?
it's because "speedy trial" has a COST. he has to tell the fed the password to his encrypted HD to get out.
Two prior convictions and he jumped bail. A frigin fugitive on the lam. Got caught and was held in prison waiting for trial.
What a surprise...NOT!!!
Why is the court taking so long to bring this case to trial? I think Ken Starr took less time than this to make his case and look how everyone bitches about how much money and time was spent on that.
The court should have made their case or let Mitnick go free long ago.
"Put up or shut up"
I believe he waived his right to a speedy trial. That is at least part of the reason why he's been in jail so long without one.
Mumia has not been proven to be a criminal in anything even resembling a fair trial...If you're sure he's guilty, fight for him to have a fair trial and then be executed...executing anyone without a fair trial means they can execute anyone...how would you like to be railroaded into a seat on deathrow?
12xu
12xu@Public-enemy.com
How about "Phreak Kevin" stickers?
Rapists hurt one person at at time, maybe just
one if caught soon enough. Murders same thing.
I steal 1000 credit card numbers and usee or sell
them, I just injured 1000 people. I steal $100k
worth of software from a company, I injure all
the employees. Makes some sense to me.
Give it up already. Someone's probably gonna go hax0r that web site just for phun.
Hackers are the ones who understand the system. They can "hack" it. This includes black hat and white hat hackers.
The rest are script k1dd13z.
It was his choice.
Here's the story-He had a mountain of evidence
to sort through, and the trial date was
quickly approaching, so he chose to delay
his trial rather than go to trial unprepared.
It might have been a crapy choice, but it was
his choice.....
Wasn't a big chunk of the 4 years he's been in jail a result of convictions on previous charges? If so, then he's been serving time for THOSE convictions, not just waiting for this latest trial.
For all you kiddies who want the facts are were not old enought to remember when this happened go read, and see first hand. :)
Ober
yup, they sure do. i've seen the GNOME project referred
to as "a great hack". network admins think of network
administration is hacking. coders think of coding as
hacking. crackers think of cracking as hacking.
I hope you get 4 years WITHOUT a trial.
Regardless if he is Guilty or Innocent. The right to a trial is protected within our constitutional rights.(USA)
You'd think after getting caught for cracking, then cell phreaking, and then cracking again that this lamer would figure out he sucks and get a day job.
Its amazing how stupid some people can be...darn wannabes.
But the fact that he WAIVED a bail hearing and then filed over twenty motions delaying the trial, pretrial, AND A BAIL HEARING mean nothing. Face it. Kevin tried to outlawyer the DOJ. Too bad he's not OJ.
He only didn't have a trial because he waived his bail hearing and pretrial. His LAWYERS have been freezing the process. You don't believe me, look at his record. Look at all the times the lawyers have "Postponed to collect evidence." Don't feed me the biased crap about discovery and stuff. The guy's guilty and tried to outlawyer the government.
Now he's using all of you.
*snicker*
Way to go.
Hasn't started because Kevin waived his right to a speedy trial, AND filed a ton of motions of continuence. It's not the governments fault Kevin didn't want to be a man and take what's coming to him.
And if you want to believe 2600, go ahead. But you could also believe the DOJ. I believe the truth lies with the fact and somewhere in between those two stories. And the fact is that KEvin's side delayed the start of the trial, no matter their reasons, they did it.
Spoken like someone who hasn't bothered to leanr anything about the case. Even if your fantasy view of federal prison were true, it doesn't apply to Kevin. That's for convicted prisoners, after their trial. Kevin is pre-trial. That means no visitors that aren't part of his legal team or immediate family. He can't buy cans of soda or tuna. He can't have paper money. There's a whole list of restrictions for pre-trial inmates. That's not even counting what they've done to him when they've thrown him in soliray.
For what - having an anti-Mitnick opinion or daring to express it?
I hope Mitnick got raped in prison, a lot. How many years do you want me to serve?
Imagine having your trial heard by a hooded 'judge', with a gun held to your head. Then, after being sentenced to life without parole, being held in an oxygen-deprived cell which rarely heats up above freezing.
www.FreeLori.org
Depends. How sensitive is your ass?
Someday I'll meet an American who understands the difference between DATA and DATUM, and then I'll unstop my ears to this 'improper usage' rubbish.
Homework:
their, there, they're (theirs, there's)
to, too, two
here, hear
who, whom
loan, lend
etc.
was dissing authority. God salted Lot's wife for disobedience. He sent 2 bears to kill 42 children for making fun of an old man's bald head. The feds wacked Waco, and Bush invaded Panama & snatched Noriega. The big crime is always thumbing your nose at authority. Raping & killing is small potatos. Ask Susan MacDougal (sp?). The feds' computer ignorance made them fearful and embarrassed, which only exacerbated their reaction.
I thought a "cracker" was an illiterate white
guy from the South..?
(Many words have multiple meanings and often have
a different meaning in a jargon than they do in
common usage)
There is quite a large difference between a hacker and a cracker. Saying they're the same is like saying a butcher and a baker are the same, because they both work with food.
And, by the way, you forgot its and it's.
Please can you learn how to spell. Your spelling makes your thoughts look like they are from an
idiot.
Not the way i hear it boyo. Pretrial he is at
LA County Jail, the Bouchet Hilton. Not anywhere
you want to be-more like hell on earth than you
can imagine.
I stared at that list for a minute trying to remember the other biggie, and that's it.
Every subculture has its own langugage-reformation movement... not interesting. When OED adds these definitions, I'll rally 'round the flag. In the meantime, it reminds me of kids arguing whether Superman can beat up Batman (Kryptonite knuckles, anyone? Oops, I mean, uh, not interesting).
Clue: He has yet to be convicted.
Second clue: You could be accused of anything. Would you like the Government to take four years to admit they made a mistake.
Third clue: the fact that he probably did it alters nothing.
Kevin is being held at the mdc, which is not a nice place. I once spent a night in a l.a.p.d. station house jail on charges which were later dropped and the arrest removed from my record, and I can't imagine how Kevin can stand four years of that. I wish every prosecuter and judge had to spend one night in jail before they could serve.
Right now that bitch Mitnick is being fucked up the arse by some buck nigger - probably named Bubba.
He's probably enjoying it, he may not want out!
This is most likely the closest he ever really got to "cracking" anything - his own cherry!!!
All questions of injustice aside, Kevin Mitnick is an embarassment to hackers everywhere. He's a _cracker_ for one thing, not a hacker. And a poor one, at that. He really lacks the skills to crack anything. He's a script kiddie, nothing more. I read his list of priors a while back... he's just a common criminal, who happened to try using a computer once. He got caught. What a fool. Latch on to him all you want, but make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.
The guy is a criminal and is where he belongs. I was on Netcom when he stole my credit card number along with the credit card number of half the internet.
And in case you forgot he also stole millions of dollars worth of software from Moterola!
I find it retarded they'd go that long way to save a criminal like kevin. The Governement, allthough it lies, cheats, and steals from the people, isn't going to hunt down any "Hacker" it sees.
There are people in jail right now, who ARE innocent, but nobody gives a damn.
People used him as a tolken, and tried to make the government bad by doing that. They went about it all wrong.
Lets face it. 2600 jumped to the opertunity to make him a marter, spreaded FUD about the case, and trying to make him some sort of marter. It worked, and kevin sold his ass out. Now for the rest of my life, im going to have to listen to skript kiddy aol hax0rs bitch about him. I don't want him to die or anything, but I hope the sentance is reasonable, long enough for him to get it up the ass a few times from bubba and cleetus. hehe, hope 2600 sends him soap on a rope!
If I saw kevin on the street, i'd give him a peice of my mind, and a kick in the balls.
There's more up his sleeve than what is being reported.
ZDTV is reporting that the defense was held up by goverment prosecutors in gathering evidence, so the end blame is the Justice Department.
I would not be surprized if a lawsuit AGAINST the DOJ for causing such delays is filed.
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Incorrect. "Cracker" is a term that describes the talented asm coders who remove copy protection from software. It does not refer to hackers or script kiddies who circumvent computer security. Those who do so are, if they demonstrated considerable talent in finding and exploiting the security hole, rightly considered hackers. If not, they're merely script kiddies.
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I can see why his previous bail-jumping would keep him from getting bail here, but that's not the argument the government used. The government claimed that he would disrupt the 1996 presidential election if he were loose. They even had some Secret Service agents testify about his ability to assassinate somebody.
The justice system is insane. They have this image of Mitnick as a super-hacker who can do anything he wants with electronic equipment. The prison officials even took a way a walkman from him because they were afraid he'd modify it to record conversations. How could he do so with a cassette player that had no recording head?
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He didn't hire his lawyer. Not being rich (he didn't use any of those credit card numbers he had), he couldn't afford his own, so he was appointed one by the court.
He would've been better off if he stole a bunch of money with the credit cards and fled the country. Instead he decided not to steal money from people, and he gets stuck in jail while his court-appointed lawyers muck around for 4 years.
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Facts my ass. Takedown is an extremely biased book, with very few facts in it. It's co-authored by mr. shimomuro (sp?), the egomaniac, and john markoff, the not-quite-competent technology writer for the NY Times.
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I've heard that Mitnick is considering suing Mirimax for libel. Has anybody heard anything more about this? He'd certainly have a good case.
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Posted by PasswdIs ScoreOne:
It just goes to show that your right fly right out the window when the court decides it wants to "make an example of you". Four years just waiting for the trial? That's pathetic and for what? Cracking systems and stealing (but never once using) some credit card numbers. Meanwhile many drug dealers, killers, and rapists are tried, jailed, and back on the streets in less time than Mitnick has just been waiting for a trial. Wheather or not Mitnick is guilty or not (and he probably is), does anyone else see anything wrong with the way the courts have treated him? Even if you despise Mitnick, you *must* despise the courts *more* for the way they have treated him.
Posted by AnnoyingMouseCoward:
...please get it right.
"Do not call up what you cannot put down, by that, meaning, do not call up one who can in turn call up others against whom your most powerful devices are of no avail".
Reputedly a quotation from Al Azif that appeared in the H.P.Lovecraft story "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward".
But his rights as an accused criminal were either definately violated or walked the line too closely. IANAL, FWIW, so YMMV. :-)
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
Linus: It wasn't just me; a lot of other people helped.
Richard: Will I be allowed to redistribute a modified version of the court-record?
Larry: I sure am happy.
This court is offended by your sight. You are sentenced to copy The Fountainhead onto Big Chief Tablets with a crayon. Bailiff!
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What about this quote:
"In April 1996, he pleaded guilty to possession of 15 or more unauthorized access devices (cloned cellular telephone numbers), and for violating supervised release, and was sentenced to 22-months in federal prison. "
So while he *was* awaiting trial in prison, he would have been there anyway because of his own guilty admission. Dumbass.
Here is the point. I'm sure we all can argue like 5 year olds that Mitnick was a cracker not a hacker and he went against the "hacker code" (which applies to crackers now I guess). Anyway, the point is that it is FOUR years that he has been waiting for a trial! Doesn't that bother anyone else? I mean what if it turned out that he didn't do it in a trial that may be another year down the road (I know ZD says it would take place next month, but its ZD and they never get their facts right)? He could have served 5 years for nothing? I would honestly like to know what sort of progress has been made on this case each week by the people who have been putting off the trial.
Thats what its about my friends.
My Slashdot account is old enough to drink...
Now Miramax can go ahead with its libelous movie!
I wonder if he actually has that robotic arm in the most recent rewrite.
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As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
The issue (AFAIK) has always been civil rights, and the government's reflexive and irrational fear of crackers; not that Mitnick was ever some sort of 3l337 H4x0r.
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As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
I'm not sure I understand what the Randroids have to do with it, (aren't libretarians pro-freedom?) but that was very funny.
Especially the Larry bit.
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"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
Mumia's case is only slightly less fscked up than Leonard's. I bet those "Free Tibet" stickers really get on his nerves too.
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As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
This reminds me of Phiber Optik.. Computer criminals being treated worse than murders and rapists..
Victoria Palmer - I brake for unix.boys, Windows just breaks. - http://www.escape.com/~juliet
I'm not down wit tha stereotypes boyyyy
Ummmm hacker is also someone who fouls a lot during a basketball game. But when I call someone a hacker on the basketball court, I seriously am not discussing computers at that time, nor am I discussing golf, or furniture.
I've never seen a more hypocritical statement in my life. You're trying to sound all smart and all because you have a freakin dictionary open in front of you, and are telling people to look it up and all.. did you look this up your own ass ?
Gay..can mean two things.. but when someone is talking about Gay rights.. they aren't talking about the right to be happy and to be merry. They're talkin about rights of faggots(bundle of sticks) or homosexuals.
Before you go around waving your brand new reading skills and the ability to look a word up in a dictionary.. go read up on english, go read up on context.
One word can have an entirely different meaning depending on the context.. lately you hear people saying something or someone is phat.. when you hear it.. it sounds like fat.. are they calling your mother fat or phat ? how do you know ? it's the context in which they speak.
it's obvious the article and every comment about it is in reference to computers, not basketball/golf/ or furniture.
People like you, people without a clue, should be in jail for possession of stupidity.
I convict you of possession of stupidity with the intent to distribute.
Now go get buttraped.
Except Mitnick waved his right to a speedy trial. That's why he's been in jail so long, becuase he's an idiot. Well, at least that's what I think he is.
I am very glad most of you hate Kevin Mitnick as much as I do. Seeing those "Free Kevin" slogans is as irratating as seeing the "Free Mumia" signs. A criminal is a criminal, 'nuf said.
--Ivan, weenie NT4 user, Jon Katz hater: bite me!
--weenie NT4 user: bite me!
"Computers are nothing but a perfect illusion of order" -- Iggy Pop
Goto http://www.justice4danielfaulkner.com/ for the entire truth. Stupid popular media is believing all the lies told by that sack of garbage. Burn that mother fucker, burn!
--Ivan, weenie NT4 user, Jon Katz hater: bite me!
--weenie NT4 user: bite me!
"Computers are nothing but a perfect illusion of order" -- Iggy Pop
It's not hard to wonder why little Kevvy has waived his right to a speedy trial.. He is being kept in a FEDERAL prison. Wat does this mean to us?
Well, for starters, he gets not 3 but 4 square (read: nutritionally balanced and professionally prepared by (sometimes)Cord Au Bleu chefs) meals a day, color TV in his private cell. Outdoor activited which include golf, swimming, bikeing, and running. A full library, and access to college education materials.
Don't feel bad for him kids, hes living better than yor humble narrator, and probally better than most of you.
"Summon not, that which you cannot put down"
>What is also not helping him are the web page
>hackers that go around putting up "Free Kevin" on
>NY Times and IdSoftware web sites as well as
>others.
IMO, it's a valid form of protest, roughly
equivalent to a picket or a sit-in. And you can
understand why they'd pick the NYT as a target,
after the quality of their reporting of the case.
And quite frankly I'm surprised there haven't
been riots over this. Three-odd years without
trial in the self-proclaimed leader of the Free
World?
K.
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-- Proud descendant of semi-nomadic cattle-herders.
So essentially he spends less time in prison if he pleads guilty to the crime than if he were to plead innocent and go through a lengthy trial. What a great justice system we have. The government can get people to admit guilt just by throwing them in prison and letting them go only after they admit guilt. Doesn't this violate the constitution? The right to a prompt trial by one's peers?
I've never known anyone (except the ones who are downright anal about it, like you see in this thread, and even they accidently use "hacker" sometimes) use the word "cracker" to describe someone who illegally breaks into others' computers. Most computer people take the word cracker to mean someone cracking software (e.g., removing copy protection, figuring out registration key algorithms, etc.), not breaking into systems. I'll put forth that in their zeal to change the common definition of "hacker," these people are polluting the common definition of "cracker." Look, 95% of the time, you can tell whether it's a neutral hacker or a malicious hacker by the context of the words around it, so get over it already.
Or maybe I should just constantly bitch that people are giving Saltines and Ritz a bad name...
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I think one of the other posters had a good point. Ya, he was screwed on this, but he did have priors and he did jump bail before. No way a judge would let him get bail on this.
One other hand, he changed lawyers three times and his defense team filed many delays (Claiming the goverment with held evidence.
Kevin had to know he was screwed when he got caught. Prior convictions, and he got caught again. He should have been smart, like every claims he is, and pleaded guilty to the charges. I don't think he would have gotten 20 years, but it would have been less time that he has been sitting in LA county jail. Remember is he guilty of many of those charges!
What is also not helping him are the web page hackers that go around putting up "Free Kevin" on NY Times and IdSoftware web sites as well as others. I use to feel sorry for the guy, but not after his supports went to such lenghts, to prove what a bunch of children they are.
Linux O Muerte!
script kiddie or not, ummm, doesnt he have a right to due process like the rest of us???
get a clue...latch on to him not because he is a great cracker, but because our great government is trying to show others what happens to people like him by holding him for 4 years without trial or bail hearing. it sounds more like the plot of a government power flick than real life...scary.
"All that glitters is not gold"
...then hang him high!
From what i've heard, he was forced to waive that right in order to return to GEN POP. Can you imagine 4 years of solitary confinement?
~PanIc~
We all know that Mitnick has been making much money with the gov't...now his time is done and they will set him free or something.
Randians don't like Libertarians (big-L, and small-l). They consider them anarchists. Check out http://www.aynrand.com/objectivism/Q5.html
-jon (Not an objectivist, almost a libertarian)
Remember Amalek.
Well... that was certainly random.
Perhaps the only saving grace of the post was that the author actually had a point.
Computer criminals are being treated worse because the things that they can destroy are considered more important in this society. Face it, a life or someones sanity/dignity (only things I can think of for rapists) is not considered as important today as money or the systems that control it. A wealthy mans credit report means more to this society than a good percentage of lives that he controls. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Space Cadet
Gee what will 2600 do with all those lovely Free Kevin stickers?
Mitnick kept firing his lawyers before his trial date. Can you say "martyr"?
Hear hear! Nice to hear some logic amid all this "Free Kevin" crap!
No my friend, the point is that Mitnick is a martyr.
The reason he's still in jail is his own -- he waived the right to a speedy trail and fired his lawyers everytime his trial came up.
I'm all for the libertarian-style thinking, but in this case it is unjustified.
Its all in the marketing: 2600 did a great job pushing those bumper stickers....
4 years.. I thought it was "Innocent till proven guilty......
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Ok.. Back in the 80's Hackers were the underground guys that could break into unix systems and program them to do what ever.. Now if I remeber correctly that websters definds it as a person that has great skill.. IE Guitar hacker would be one that could play the guitar, also able to tweak it to get diffrent sounds.. Now in the 80's and early 90's "hacking" as you call "cracking" was a bitch and a half and took real skill to doing.. So if advanced programming is not hacking, wtf is is it? In my eye's crackers are only the ones that can crack passwords, but cracking password by finding out algorythms and programming something to crack it would have to be a form of hacking.... So there for crackers would only be the ones that use a program to crack passwd files and do nothing else.. Hackers would be the ones that would crack the password and be able to use the system to it's fullest.... Just my own 2 cents.. And damn, I only have a $10 bill.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Yup.. But it's like a war on what a hacker is.. It's now like, nukers are calling them selfs hackers.. Someone that can put a pc in a wooden case is calling them self a hacker.. It's an over used word.. I think i'm going to find a new term for us underground 'hackers'.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
He would have been there for 22 months after his guilty plea. Not sure when this latest round of charges were filed, but 4 years is over twice as long as 22 months.
The fact he's guilty of something else doesn't excuse holding him without a bail hearing and without a trial after that sentence expires.
-- Shawn K. Quinn
We know that. Most of us object to it being used to describe malicious activities, though. See the following statements.
When you hack a system you break into it.
Not necessarily. Strictly speaking, a hack is any feat of technological prowess. Breaking into systems is a subset of the activities that can be lumped under the category "hack."
Man.. hacking was already used for breaking in when none of you could even afford computers, so cut the "cracker" bullshit!
I guess that I'm supposed to be quaking in the face of your obviously superior knowledge. What you may be referring to is one of the original (ca. late 1950s) uses of the word "hack"--describing lockpicking (e.g. "hacking a lock" or "lock hacking").
Times have changed a bit. There are people who break into systems simply to satisfy curiosity or because they like the challenge; those who do so and do no damage (or who point out holes in security to the sysadmins) are generally thought of as hackers.
People who break into systems for malicious purposes (a category that describes probably 99.44% of the "hackers" that J. Random Citizen has heard about) are usually referred to as "crackers" to distinguish them from people who break into systems for non-malicious reasons.
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I'd like to plead guilty to "hacking" as well.
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For the LOVE of GOD!!! I wish they'd get it fucking STRAIGHT!!!!
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"Adding to his notoriety is an upcoming feature film of "Takedown," which is expected to open later this year. The film, which is being produced by a division of Disney's Miramax Films, will star Skeet Ulrich as Mitnick."
"Among the untruths: During the pursuit, Mitnick clubs Shimomura with a garbage can lid, gashing his head (they never met until after Mitnick's arrest); he obtains free phone calls by whistling into the phone a la legendary phone phreaker Captain Crunch; he rigs a radio call-in contest to win a TV, a stunt performed in real life by fellow hacker Kevin Poulsen; near the end of the movie he vows to escape during a jail conversation with Shimomura, saying, "I'll be seeing you. All I need is a dime and a phone. Sometimes, if I'm lucky, I don't even need the dime."
I'd like to latch on to Kevin for other reasons!
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Mitnick is a cracker first of all and yes he did do some pretty stupid things like Getting Caught.. ,But Its the government Im concerned about. considering the fact that now they are stating Things that make the NSA seem like the new US baby sitters club. No Privacy, Freedom to learn, Ability to even go to the Restroom at your own will.