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Celeron Dual Board Adapter
Stephan writes "MSI recently introduced an adapter for
using two normal Celerons in dual PII boards without any tricks.
You can even increase fsb speed!"
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I like how for every feature, they add at the bottom:
Note: MSI does not guarantee that the mainboard, CPU, or other components will function properly under these conditions.
Even though these slockets have been on the market for a little while, I don't think it was common knowledge...until now that is. I was gonna be the only one on the block with a 500Mhz dual PII linux machine, but I guess I can forget that. I'll have to hurry and order my parts now too, before the /. effect dries up the supply and drives up prices. It's times like this I hate ****ing capitalism!!
you can make them as fast or FASTER than a PII.
well no, not really. at an equal clock speed a pII will at worst give almost identical performance to a celery and under many situation it will usually give you better performance. the thing withthe celery's is that the price/performance ratio is so much better than normal pentiums that it kinda makes buy in a normal pentium seem like your throughing your money away. always remember that hype should not be confused with fact, celerons are nice but a fullblown pentium is better though it's prolly not that much better that it warrents spending the extra cash unless you got the money to burn.
www.pricewatch.com for dealers. You would probably want:
2 boxed (get boxed, higher quality) Celeron 366 PPGA (socket 370)
1 Asus, Supermicro, or tyan dual BX motherboard
2 MSI MS-6905 Revision 2's PPGA to Slot1 converters.
as before, dealers for these can be found at http://www.pricewatch.com
Well I for one plan on going staigth to hell first class.
Dual 366 celerys O/Cd to 550 each. I've been trying this for a while, but cant get them stable. There's lots o discussions on properly O/Cing yer celery at tomshardware.com, for those who would like more info on it.
If I ever pay off personal debt and student loans, I'd to hop on the bandwagon. Fyi, Anandtech didn't rate the BX6-2 nearly as highly as the BH6... personally, I'd lean towards Abit over Asus because pulling jumpers is often no fun. What I'd REALLY like to know, though, is where to actually get a no-brainer overclockable Celeron? I keep hearing 300A's are virtually all gone... but pricewatch.com still lists them. Will the OEM chips have a good chance of hitting 450? If not, what is the general experience with Celeron 333's? I have a feeling any of the higher speed grades will most likely max out at 83 MHz FSB unless I try to play the cooling game. All I'm interested in is getting a new mobo, a slocket adapter (if I want to think SMP) and a retail (or OEM) Celeron that will run at 100 MHz. Last thought... does Abit do a SCSI mobo? Most of the ones I see, Asus, Tyan, Supermicro... aren't exactly inexpensive.
Doh .I just ordered a Tyan dual motherboard and one P2-400 :-\
No, buy two Celeron 300A and overclock them to 100MHz FSB, thus getting 450MHz for cheap and benefit of a fast FSB. You'll need PC100 mem but that's true for the PII 400 also.
If you're brave you can try oc'ing the Celery 333 to 500.
The Celeron 300A DOES benchmark slightly faster than the PII 300. 300A has only 128K l2 cache, but it's full clock speed more than makes up for it.
The 300A even benchmarks faster than the PII450 when properly OCd, as nature intended, yielding possibly the best price/performance ratio of any computing device ever.
I use the Tekram P6B40D which is working quite well overclocking two 300A PPGAs to 450 with the Soltek SL-02A8 slotkets (at default voltage).
Here in Japan people are mostly using the cheaper MBs (Tekram, Gigabyte and Epox) rather than Asus or Tyan for Dual, and from what I've seen they all work well.
Mine are retail and the biggest complaint I have is that the included fans don't come with speed sensor (only 2 wire). My older Slot 1 300A retail fan does. I can't believe Intel is cutting corner on that.
My emphasis was on the going to hell part, not the first class part. It was a cheap one-liner for chrissake!
I have an LX based dual PII motherboard from Intel. Using PII CPU's, the fastest I can go is dual 333's. (because of the LX chipset)
I want to try dual 466 Celerons (Much less than ONE PIII 500) but I'm not sure the motherboard will like these...
Anybody tried Celerons in Intel motherboards?
Has anyone heard of an adapter for quad PII motherboards? Can this be done?
Unfortunately, I can't think of any cames written to take advantage of dual CPUs...
Unfortunately, I can't think of any games written to take advantage of dual CPUs...
While you could technically do it you wouldn't be happy with the results. In order to get good return on each CPU, you must have large fast caches and good supporting chipsets. This is something that the Celerons and PIIs lack a bit. So yes you can but who would want a near-zero performance gain on your fourth or eigth processor?
Unless you limit PC to mean x86 compatable. If you include any microcomputer running windows then the fastest system I know of is a dual Alpha 21264 500mhz setup. each of these processors is about twice as fast as a pentium III 500 at integer and about 4 times as fast at floating point. Nothing else even comes close.
this site explains it all.
The essence is: your system is unstable when doing large memory transactions (most likely because of o/cing) - and this happens when using gcc. Sometime a bit gets reset accidentally which leads to the famous GPF - signal 11.
Using the same logic, my $250 500mhz 21164 64-bit Alpha processor with motherboard gets...
$.83/day for RC-5
$.08/day for DES-II
(based on 650,000 RC-5 keys/sec and 7,000,000 DES-II keys/sec)
couldnt you run Quake I as a dedicated server and a client simultaneously?
Intel boards are nice in general, but they do everything they can to prevent 'unsupported' setups like dual celerys, etc.
- Chad
Who said it would have to be all onbe person? Get about 4 people together and get three each. That would put the total cost about $900 for the barebones setup (no hard drives or ram yet) by the time you are through you could get about three systems built for around $1800 total (or about $600 per system). The point was that you COULD put together a nice cluster for a very modest amount of money. It would be hard to achieve better cost/performance for floating-point intensive work than this kind of setup.
I dunno, they could be 1.1. My bad
Hm... I killed one :)
Then I decided to get pre-modified boards and use PPGA celerons. Oh well.
I hope nobody does that... I'd have to go out and spend even more $$$ on getting new riser cards and hunting down a couple more 300A's :-)
www.computernerd.com
I strongly recommend them for this sort of thing.
???
I used to run a quake server + client on my computer (single PPro200) all the time. Worked like a charm, till we got ~16 people on. With dual CPUs, it would have worked fine.
Last August I bought an Alpha Station 200 on Onsale for $400, no hard drive, no CDROM. Since them I'm having LOTS of fun compiling, as there is much less packaged software than for Intel processors. And if you like to fix someone else code, Alpha is great too! There still are too many programs written assuming integers are 32 bits.
Unless I need an Alpha for an specific application, I would not buy it again. I'm not saying it is a bad computer at all (it is my SMB server), but it does have compatibility problems, even in the open source world.
Three weeks ago I bought a dual Supermicro, put 2 366 Celerons on it, and it is running SQL Server 7.0 (sorry, I'm paid to write software) pretty well, no overclocking. 128Mbytes/14.4Gb 7200RPM IBM hard drive, etc, etc, cost $1.100.
I'm dying to finish this project and see Linux running on it.
Retail Celerons are typically better than OEM. Less voltage needed to overclock, generally higher overclocking abilities, etc...
Its not completely conclusive, of course, but your chances are better with retail since they're usually the better batch of Celerons.
Just check the CPU code or plant.
www.overclockers.com has a database that might prove useful for those seeking to overclock.
Toms Hardware IMO is not a very reliable source for information... His seems to have ties with nVidia that make him seem overly biased, and was completely wrong about the fastest pc system. Hardcore overclockers have been getting 600+mhz for quite a while now. An interesting site to read is www.hardocp.com, I have read and seen pictures of japanese fellows running celeron 333s at 716(with liquid n2o no less). Unfortunately that page is down so I cant currently post the link.
dropn
If you can live without overclocking, I would watch http://www.surplusauction.com for a good deal. I bought 2 Tyan Dual Pentium II LX motherboards there. The first was $55 with shipping. The second was $71, but included sound and Adaptec ultra wide SCSI. There was a BIOS update at Tyan's site to let the board use up to Celeron 366. My Celerons are en route so I have not set them up yet, but a co-worker also bought 1 and is happy with it.
It's all application dependent. In my experience (C300A @ 450 VS. PII-450), the Celeron was slightly faster in FPS games and certain image filters. However, the PII-450 was slightly better at kernel compiles, slightly better at some engineering software I write that mainly uses complex matrix/vector algebra, and much faster at qbsp (large integer data structures).
I have the dual mobo, and now I'm faced with which processors to buy for it. I plan on using the machine for a BeOS digital audio workstation. Which am I better off going for dual PII 333's or dual 400 Celeries? My prob is the mobo's bus only goes at 66Mhz (LX - oh if I only knew then...). What would be my best option???
Ummmmm. Beowulf
Beowulf via firewire.
Beowulf via fibrechannel.
Beowulf via OC-48
It's in the bandwidth.
Yeah. AGP stands for Accellerated Graphics Port, and thus is a port, not a bus. In other words, it is archatecturally designed to only support one device.
I was thinking of the same thing, but I was also considering spray-painting the whole casing red and make a "Satan Inside" logo (like Intel's).
I got mine from www.cantek.com, they offer combo fully tested and guaranteed at 450.
They can ship to europe by USmail Express which is fast and cheap (for Switzerland at last).
And they reply to email...
Who can ask for anything more ?
I've seen stickers which parody the "Intel Inside" logo with "Evil Inside".
Where did you find a $250 500mhz 21164 Alpha processor with motherboard?
Heh, I saw a JPEG once that had a pentagram and said:
Inhell Pentagram, 666 Mhz.
Can I eventualy mix CeleronA with Pentium3 as it gets cheaper ? I know of people using differen Pentium II models on Dual MBO under NT (is it the same on Linux and BeOS ?).
check it out
www.omnistep.com
Right. But not exactly native either. The code is not entirely ported and is not optimized. So you still get a tremendous improvement (50% - 100%) by getting your hands on true native code.
Yeh, supermicro makes good motherboards. They're pretty stable when o/ced as well.
:).
I have an Asus P97L-D right now (Dual LX). its ok, but SMP gets REALLY unstable when O/Ced on a dual LX, specially when playing quake2 (Quake3 doesnt crash it tho.. hmm).
My celerons are 1 boxed slot1, and 1 boxed PPGA 366
I'd get Supermicro, or tyan. Asus is ok, but i've seen most people have better luck with sm or tyan
Hi, I help run the #celeron channel on efnet so i have a little of extra experience of what chips are good and bad. From what I have heard the best chance to get a 300a to 450 is a PPGA Retail boxed 300a(OEM is a close 2nd). I know very few people that have gotten the ppga 300a and not hit 450. Of course you will need a PPGA motherboard(Abit BM6 is an EXCELLENT board), or a slocket adapater, such as the one mentioned in the post.
Peace
dropn/#celeron
The only reason to buy a retail boxed CPU is to avoid remarks and previously abused processors. The bottom end of the PC parts market is full of people that are absolute scum. Computer shows are usually full of "dealers" selling dubious crap for cash to stupid buyers, but you even find the scam artists advertising in Computer Shopper. The last few years have seen scams such as fake cache chips on motherboards, remarked 486s, remarked Pentiums, remarked AMD chips, remarked RAM, Intel sound-a-like names for other chipsets (TXPro, VXPro, BXII, etc, etc,) on crap cheapo motherboards. ugghh..
I finally got around to compiling the kernel on my semi-new dual retail 300 ppga (MSI adapters) overclocked to 450. But I kept getting random compiler errors, mostly signal 11. I finally got it to compile by running make after the errors and deleting the .o file it had croaked on. The temp was around 90-96 F. Anybody get similiar problems?
-Willy
www.censuspc.com
Everyone seems hell bent on getting overclocked celerons to do things that are somewhat risky or difficult. I've found new Alpha 500mhz 21164 processors with the motherboard for $250 new. This is more horsepower than anything intel has to offer and it runs Linux, BSD, OpenVMS, Digital Unix and NT very well. I benchmarked it's I/O and, with a 256-bit memory bus, it has about 800MB/s memory throughput UNDER EMULATION MODE with Wintune95. Doing RC-5 DESII keys, I can crack about 7 million keys per second. It's 64-bit today. For $250, I would like to see anyone put together a motherboard+processor that could compete. String about a dozen of these together and you have one mean Linux cluster!
And so does Soltek. Dual-capable Slotkets has been around for a while. What is new about these new batches of slotkets (MSI 6905D, Soltek SL-02A8 and Powerleap) are that they allow changing the FSB (which you can probably set on the motherboard) and the core voltage (which you generally can't).
revision 2? The place I saw that had them labeled them as v1.1.
Tom Pabst, of Tom's Hardware fame, recently took a Kryotech K6-3 500 system and utilizted the cooling system to overclock an Intel processor to 618Mhz. The 618Mhz Celeron cooked the P3-500 and all other processors in it's way. He entitled his article "The World's Fastest PC."
If I had cash, I would make a Dual Celeron system o/c'd to 618Mhz a piece, 256meg of RAM, all running on a Tyan Thunderbolt motherboard. Got my SCSI and ethernet built right in. Pop in a Diamond MX300. I'd wait for Metabyte to license there new technology to Diamond. Using PGP, I'd have 4 Viper 770s running in parallel. Can you the best gaming rig in existence?
Could someone recommend me a good slot-1 pentium-ii motherboard to go with those "slockets" adapters? I want something with the best performance/price ratio.
Thanks!
The celeron uses the basic PII design, which only can coordinate two processors. If you want more, you have to go to a different processor, like the Xeon.
...phil
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>I don't know of any mother board that has even 2 AGP slots, so a board with 4 isn't avail.
I b'leeve the Metabyte approach is to use a single AGP board, and the other board(s) PCI. They connect via a special feature connector. Check out this article.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
How much is a decent BX motherboard, two 300A PPGA celerons and two of these adaptors?? Any prices yet??
John_Chalisque
Cyrix chips may make wonderful hobs to cook on, but they really dont make much of a CPU -- after my brief encounter, I would never touch a Cyrix again, and I know a few others who wouldn't tough them either.
John_Chalisque
Faster... until you need the memory bandwidth.
If you can do without it, then fine.
If not, then you'll need the overclocked 450a's
so that you can get a 100Mhz memory bus.
John_Chalisque
Anybody know of any UK suppliers?
John_Chalisque
has them too, has had em for a while...we all know BeOS uses multi-cpus very efficiently :)
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
I was just about to buy a dual processor PII-400 system because I didn't want to make the modifications to two Celeron processors to make them run SMP. I hadn't heard about this before! I'll have to pick up a couple of nice (and cheap) PPGA socket 370 400 MHz chips for next to nothing and run them instead! Anyone heard anything good (or bad) about running these in a Tyan Tiger 100 board?
Xeon boards and other high-end 4-way+ SMP boards usually have memory interleaving or a crossbar instead of a system bus to keep the processors fed. I think that the 64-bit, 100 MHz memory bus in a BX chipset will be saturated rather quickly by 4-way SMP. If you need four Celerons, build another box and rlogin.
Cyrix isn't yet three days in the grave, and you're all drooling over intel CPUs. You oughta be ashamed of yourselves!
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I too am interested in these 486 converters... anyone who has info please email me... just trash the spam blows part. :-)
Damn, what can't be done with a Celeron that wasn't intended? You can overclock them like mad, you can put them in an SMP config, you can make them as fast or FASTER than a PII. Can you make warpcores and teleporters with them too? :op
Now, I wonder if there's an adapter for the older card-mounted Celeries. That would definitely help.
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See http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/00000067.htm, http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/000002a1.htm and http://www.powerleap.com/pdg5/_di sc1/00000341.htm. This would make a nice cheap and simple way for me to upgrade my Dual PPro-180 :-)
Didn't Compaq just make a much faster math library available for the Alpha? I think it is free and downloadable.
rm -rf microsoft*
a bunch of us got new machiens this spring. One of us got dual celeron 300A PPGA and these adapter boards. He's got a $200 (for CPU's) dual PII450 now. Works like a charm.
He's using a Tyan motherboard.
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Cool, but where can I buy them (in Germany)?
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I ordered two 6905's plus some cables, and S&H was still only 10 bucks, so YMMV.
I found a price of $19 for this part at: http://www.spartantech.com/. I have bought stuff from them before, but I am in no way affiliated, blah, blah, blah...
A lot of the comments are "wow I gotta get me one!" but not all of the slot 1 convertors do the magic SMP thing - many (most?) of them still need some rework to get SMP going. Search for "dual celeron trick" to find the japanese page that did this first, they have a list of adapters, and how well they work.
This looks like a really nice way to go. I tried the drill/solder trick, and finally got it going, but it was really flaky, and kept crashing my box. Which was bad. It's really hard to solder the wires onto the fingers on the edge of the card, and then cram it into the slot without disconnecting and/or shorting the wire. I gave up for a while, then tried some resoldering, and fried one of the celerons. :-( Oh well, I knew what I was getting into, it was only about $60.
:-)
This looks fool-proof, and the PPGA celerons are cheaper these days anyway. Guess I'll have to go blow another $160 or so.
http://kikumaru.w-w.ne.jp/pc/celeron/index_e.html
Beowulf via 10 base-T
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Beowulf via USB
Beowulf via RS-232
Beowulf via modem
Beowulf via telegraph
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0 1 - just my two bits
The price looks decent until you check out the shipping. On pricewatch they're quoting $10.00. That seems a bit steep to me.
Forgot to mention the fact that my Celerons are
the OEM version (not boxed, and without fan.) Any
claims that the retail versions are of higher
quality may or may not be true, but I've had no
problems with my OEMs (and, I got to pick my own
heatsink, resulting in better cooling.)
Most of the discussion I've read leads me to
believe the quality of the OEM and Retail Celerons
are the same, with respect to overclocking. YMMV.
I recently put together a new machine to use as my Linux development box at home. Here are the components I got:
:)
:)
Asus P2B-D (BIOS rev. 1008)
Celeron 300A (SL36A) (x2)
MSI MS-6905 1.0 Slotket (x2)
(modified by ComputerNerd for SMP and 2.2v)
PC Power & Cooling CPU Cool Z1-C CPU Cooler (x2)
(These are the perfect size for mounting on the
slotket, and are 1" high, which leaves just
enough space between the CPUs on the Asus
board.)
IBM DTTA-101440 14gig Ultra/ATA HDD
Asus 50x CD-ROM
Matrox Millenium G200 8MB SGRAM
Intel EtherExpress 10/100+
384MB CAS-2 PC100 Micron SDRAM (128x3)
PC Power & Cooling Personal Tower Case
PC Power & Cooling TurboCool 300 ATX Power Supply
Happy Hacker Keyboard
We put it all together, turned it on (at 66mhz
FSB, 300mhz CPUs) and installed Debian GNU/Linux.
Shut it down, jumpered the motherboard to 100mhz
FSB, 450mhz CPUs, turned it back on and it has
(knock on wood) ran flawlessly for the last week
or two (with lots of compiling, Quake 3 Arena,
and so on, so it's definitely been getting beat
on.)
Overall, I paid about $1500-1600 for the system
(sans monitor), and can say I am _extremely_
happy with its performance. 900mhz of SMP love,
running Linux no less.
(I can serve web pages AND play Quake 3 Arena at
the same time, without losing a frame! Imagine
that!)
Xar
The 300A is, by far, the most overclockable
Celeron in existance. Their production has,
however, been discontinued, as I understand it.
If you can still get your hands on 300As for a
reasonable price, you can't go wrong.
I have read many reports of people trying to OC
the 333, and while some have had success, it's
always been at unorthodox FSB speeds (like 83mhz),
which can cause disk corruption and so forth.
Running at a "supported" FSB, 66mhz or 100mhz,
is recommended, and the 300A does this quite
well.
Unless you have an immediate use for the leftover PII-400, I'd suggest getting the second PII-400 instead of celerons, as you'll have more cache. Just my opinion.
Based on what I've read here, the K7 will have extremely good SMP support, assuming that there are chipsets for it. 16 processors was the limit that I heard stated, IIRC.
OTOH, the K7 was supposed to be fairly expensive, and its actual performance gains over a PIII remain murky. We'll see what happens when it ships.
Based other messages I've read here, I doubt that would work. The Celeron is essentially a PII, and that can only support dual processors due to a deliberate limitation imposed by Intel. For quad processors or better, you'd need Xeons.
These have been around for a while. A good place for information on this kind of stuff is www.computernerd.com
- Jon
- |Daryll
I had been thinking for a long time that i wanted to get dual P2 333's, but I can actually afford celerons...I just thought it would be fun to have a Pentium 2 666 :)
-lx
Could someone explain to me why I feel like I'm reading some kind of "Hot Rods" sports cars magazine when I'm browsing this topic?
Sorry, folks, but somehow all this sounds a bit silly to me. We all know there are lots of safety margins when chips are tested, as well as some (many?) marketing considerations when they are sold as a xxxMHz chip. I'd prefer reading about code optimization, memory footprint reduction, and generally making software much leaner than it is today...
OK, folks, this was just my opinion, cheers!
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I'm curious if anyone who has actually built a dual celeron system (w/o having to do any soldering) can help me figure out where I can obtain the cpus, mb, and the converters and about how much money this will cost (don't worry about case / ram / whatever else, I can figure that out on my own).
-matt
Going from 2.0 to voltage besides 2.2 requires a lot more work. However, at 2.2V my procs run at 40 degrees C while running RC5. All I have on there a a nice fat super7 fan/heatsink... nothing special. That's not very hot at all... in fact, I think my old K6 233 ran hotter.
He said, "You'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you helped assemble the first NT supercomputer," and I cringed.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking in that context. You definitely have to rember that it is possible to fry the processor, and be careful. For those of you who might be thinking of trying to change the voltage by cutting traces with an exacto knife (you might do this because these newer voltage-adaptable slotkets are hard to find), be VERY careful. If you don't cut through one of the traces completely, it will run the processor at 3.4V, which will destroy it. But if you do it right, you get a great deal.
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He said, "You'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you helped assemble the first NT supercomputer," and I cringed.
I've been running dual ppga celeron 300a's overclocked to 450 for a couple of months now, and it works just great. Oldmanrant:But back in my day we had to solder to pins on the adapter to be able to dual them, and then cut 3 traces on the pcb with an exacto knife to increase the voltage from 2.0 to 2.2 volts (they wouldn't run stably at 450 at 2.0 volts). You youngins have it so easy.
Seriously, the best part about the card is probably the ability to change the voltage, so newer celerons can easily be overclocked too.
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He said, "You'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you helped assemble the first NT supercomputer," and I cringed.
Whoa! i'm not crazy! i also remember those... if anyone knows where to still get those i'd really like to pick up a half dozen or so.
I have a dual 350 with a tyan motherboard. Is the cel333 stable at 500 or only in a few certain cases. Should I go with the 300a oc'd to 450 or the 333. Success stories or failures?
Wow, this completely set my RC5 processing farm calculations on their side. For about $20 (see pricewatch) you can get on one of these things and essentially turn a PPGA celeron into a Pentium II.
Best price/performer?
Dual Cel366 @ $466, gets ~695 blocks (2^28 keys) per day
That's $0.66 per block on the first day!
Most Pentium II's average around $0.90 per block on the first day, with 450s being well over a dollar.
-Chris
[Price based on: SuperMicro P6DBE motherboard, 32MB PC100 ram, case, nic, floppy, trident video, cpus, and cpu card. Boot off a floppy disk to the network, mount a linux partition and start grinding. No network? Make a dos boot disk and put the client on it. Every once in a while, take the disk out, flush its blocks, and put the disk back in.]
Any one remember a connector that allowed 2 486's to be-installed on to a single cpu board? I remember see a couple of these all over then they disapeer shortly becuase of the pentuim.
But on this deal, why not 2 to a board, making a 4-way system? Can that be possible?
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Eh, I was just wondering.. Not like I would buy an intel chip.. I guess I have been dissatisfied w/ intel since amd put out the 5x86 133 (boy that system screemed back then).. But does any one know how well the SMP will be on K7?
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That's why they call it 'Supply and Demand'.. Wow I remembered something from economic class..haha
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-=Ellis (D)25=-
Don't see me drooling over Intel.. Maybe 'marking my territory' on Intel... =>
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Screw that.. I'm the piloit.
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I had a 166+.. My could of cooked a stake in 5 minutes.. And plus, you would think 166+ sounds kick ass.. But it was only 133 and could not over clock it.. Now I have a WinChip 240 that replace, it's ok.. But I can't wait till July.. I will have enough money to build a nice system..
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I don't know of any mother board that has even 2 AGP slots, so a board with 4 isn't avail...I dont' think there will be for a while
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Yeah I know.. I was going to post something about one.. hehehe. But it's way off subject but the question is...
Has anyone done a beuwolf using SCSI connection and network connections.
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-=Ellis (D)25=-
If I had the time and money I would..
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I ate my tag line.
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A dozen would be $3k.. Any one have that kind of cash to dish out for just the MB and processors? Then you have to... Ok i'll stop there before I break peoples dreams.
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Yeah.. You could do it that way.. I forgot about team work..
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Not really. The demand isn't there to make them cheaper.. x86 is in high demand and compitition plays it's role and so on and so on..
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
So did I.. So I could have a machine that I could call Evil.. hehe..
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Ah what I saw was a dual...
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
You should check out pricewatch.com or go down to Frys
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
You could do it, but you'd have to do intermediate bus-request arbitration on the riser board.
The PII chipset (Celeron included) allows 2 CPU's due to 2 bus-request arbitration pins.
Now, you have a riser board, with 2 CPU's on it. The riser board handles bus-arbitration between it's 2 CPU's itself, remembers who won, and then passes the arbitration request onto the motherboard. If the motherboard allocates the riser card the bus, the riser card send the signal to the winning CPU.
So the CPU's arbitrate for the riser's bus, and the risers arbitrate for the motherboard's bus.
It'll be a little slower (extra step involved in getting the bus) and bus contention will be higher (4 devices now on the GTL+(?) bus) but it should be able to be done.
Any budding hardware techies out there willing to give it a try?
This idea is CopyRight(C) Mark James 1999.
People are free to copy and use this idea for their own purposes. If you actually get it to work, I want one. Or is that what the GPL is for?
Where? I like the sounds of this but I don't really know anything about alpha. Is it possible to buy a prebuilt cheapo alpha-linux boxen? (like those sub $500 intel boxes)
I have heard that the gcc floating point performance isn't very good on alpha. Is this truth or FUD?
Those have been available since the beginning of April...Powerleap has one too (http://www.powerleap.com) that allows manipulation of core voltage, and has built in protection for overheating.
For those of you attempting this for the first time, if your overclocked Celeron doesn't run stably at 2.0V a standard technique is to increase the voltage by .05V at a time.
..). Cooling can help stabilize your board too.
But if your system hasn't stabilized by 2.2V you run a risk of smelling blue smoke. Not all Celerons can make it to the higher speeds for long.
Higher voltage causes more heat. You may need a cooling technique (open case, CPU fan,
Esteem isn't a zero sum game
yours is cool and stable maxed at 2.2V - no problemo and you know it.
I'm more concerned with people who may want to give this a try for the first time without knowing some rough boundaries.
What scared me initially was that the link showed that a person could up the voltage to 2.6V! They had a warning that they don't guarantee that components would work properly
when manually set, but they didn't mention that higher voltages could damage the CPU.
Esteem isn't a zero sum game
I bought my system from them. Their website is undergoing major changes, but it's mostly functional. Cool people, too.
http://www.sweetgear.com
Talisman
- Man is the only animal that is capable of blushing, and he is the only one that needs to.
"Study your math, kids. Key to the universe." -The Archangel Gabriel
you can get any of that at www.sweetgear.com
Talisman
"Study your math, kids. Key to the universe." -The Archangel Gabriel
www.sweetgear.com
They ship internationally
"Study your math, kids. Key to the universe." -The Archangel Gabriel
My system: Dual Celeron PPGA 300@450, a Gigabyte GA-686BX-D, two MSI 6905'ers( the old version, had to spend half an hour or so to solder a small wire from B75 to AN15 ) :o) :-)
It has been running rock-stable for almost a month, doing a lot of different stuff from kernel compiling to mp3-compressing
Running RC5-64 client on it, the primary cpu completes blocks at 1.26 Mkeys/s, and the grand total comes to 2.34 Mkeys/s for both cpus.
This is only +85.7% performance for the second cpu, I had been expecting at least 90%, but I guess I can live with that
The total cost for the board, SlotKETs and cpus was just below 450$, not including shipping costs, but if I had only bought a single-cpu mobo + one processor and OC'ed it to 450, that system would still have had a performance equal to a P2 450 and compared with the Alpha 21164 system previously mentioned in other Comments, it would be just as cheap and almost twice as fast.
I checked the specs for the Alpha 21264, and it seems that my dual system more or less has equal performance to a system with one of those, but
at an incredibly much lower price.
One slightly annoying thing about the Gigabyte board was, that after turning on virus protection in the BIOS, and then trying to boot, it started complaining about a virus in my MBR(LILO?), and gave one more warning about my operating system not being supported, and then it booted just fine.
I think I will give Gigabyte a hard time about this, asking them for a new BIOS that knows about
Linux(LILO)
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UPDATE: I found out that my bad (fast, but busy) connection was causing a lot of waiting-for-blocks for the rc5-client, so after I had recieved 1000 blocks by e-mail, the figures look a little different - still 1.26 Mkeys/s for one processor, but 2.47 Mkeys/s for two processors. This means that the gain from having a second processor is about 96% - a LOT better than I had imagined.
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I hate to sound like an AOLer, but I agree completely. Cyrix is shite. I once had a TI-branded 486 DLC-40 designed by Cyrix, and that wasn't too bad I guess, for the times, but their P5-P6 class is a farce. I suppose Cyrix is fine if all you do is Word and Netscape, but it just doesn't hack it for any serious users.
It's like this: comparing Intel's and Cyrix's FPUs is like comparing McBain to Mr. Burns.