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Steve Jobs==Noah Wyle at Mac World

Posted by Hemos on from the heh-funny-haha dept.

Stace writes "Apparently, Steve Jobs wasn't too upset with his portrayal in "Pirates of the Silicon Valley", as he got Noah Wyle to play him onstage during his keynote address at Mac World. Full story here. "

100 comments

  1. Is this for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like utter bullshit. Steve Jobs is on one hell of an ego trip right now with his "saving" of Apple.

    Or maybe this was just a way for him to skip the meeting. Was he actually there? It doesn't really say...

    (First post!)

    1. Re:Is this for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh....I think you misunderstood......Wylie was there as a joke. Wylie came out and started the keynote, and then Jobs came out saying "no, no, you're doing it all wrong!". I thought it was a nice touch anyway.

    2. Re:Is this for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me again. Yeah, I did misunderstand, but mostly because the article is *really* short and nonspecific on it...

      Anyone know where I could see anything more on this? Streaming video would be awesome on this one.

    3. Re:Is this for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm....maybe apple.com - just a wild guess. If that big huge graphic link is gone go to http://www.apple.com/quicktime/showcase/live/mwny9 9/

    4. Re:Is this for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw the keynote, but missed this part because there were something like 4000 people already lined up to get in by the time I joined the line. This was according to a security person at the Javitz. Apple is back, people! At least in the consumer market, anyway. Ozzie Osbourne was even there to introduce a presentation of IBM's Via Voice. Check it all out on QuickTime at the Apple web page.

    5. Re:Is this for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like utter bullshit. Steve Jobs is on one hell of an ego trip right now with his "saving" of Apple. Or maybe this was just a way for him to skip the meeting. Was he actually there? It doesn't really say..

      Wow I'm so stupid .... I criticize a article I didn't even read. .... I am so lame! .... Maybe if next time I actually read more than the headline! I'm so stupid I hate MACs and anyone who likes Steve Jobs. eh he


    6. Re:Is this for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey script kiddie: one spells period as "." not "....", you know.

  2. What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is Steve a good guy or a baddie?

    1. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He used BSD for MacOS X. This brave and noble act covers a multitude of sins.

    2. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. Jobs is a good salesman.

      Can sell boots to snakes, and ice cubes to penguins.

      Apple NEEDS a good salesman. 5 colors of plastics is not enough, unless you have a good salesman.

      But a VISONARY?

      Mr. Jobs takes other peoples ideas, and call them his own. The SAD part is the large number of people who believe what Jobs says about Jobs.

      [We are killing the floppy because it is passe. Why the floppy connector on the Motherboard of the iMac?. Oh, he said this floppy thing when he started NeXT. In 1996 he told the people at Seybold that desktop publishing was an interim market for Apple. Apple was held afloat by desktop publishing.]

      Commentary:
      Drinking the kool-aid is a problem. The kool-aid drinking here is Linux-centric.
      If this was a Mac-centric site, it would be filled with posts about how wonderful Jobs is. Here, most are Linux-centric and could give a damn. Looking here for a 'objective' mac oppinion is better than looking for an 'objective' Linux oppinion here.

    3. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0




      Unix wizards respect other operating systems. VMS, RSTS/E, RSX, RT11, COS, EXEC8, etc. But we also know better than to call "DOS" or "MacOS" (X) "operating systems". Get real.

    4. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make products that people will like?

      There are people who liked:
      NeXT Cubes
      Apple ///
      Lisa

      All 3 Jobs was involved. All 3 can be called failures. And while Jobs was at Apple the 1st time, Macs were projected to sell 30,000 a month, and only sold 1215/688 units of the 512k/128k models. Not the 'success' it was supposed to be.

      Apples SUCCESS was its 'open' Apple ][. The machine that had full schematics. And source. Jobs involvement? He knew how to sell the concept of the computer.

    5. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Jobs left the Lisa project...

      Forced out. And then went and bullied Jef Raskin.

      If it wasn't for the success of the Apple ][, there would not have been the cash to keep throwing at the Mac to keep it aflot until it could become profitable.

      I also note how you didn't address the LACK of success of the cube, lisa or the ///

      Or how the Mac was a failure until AFTER Jobs left. (Failure defined as money loosing and underselling the projections) The FAILURE of the mac is part of why Jobs was thrown out.

      >Oh, I really liked Toy Story and A Bug's Like, hmmm, both Steve Jobs were involved in!

      His involvement or lack thereof in Pixar is not known to 'us mortals'. He's been the iCEO of apple, spending all the time there and Pixar is doing quite well. Before the NeXT buyout, he was involved in Pixar....and about that time, Pixar was going bankrupt.

      Seems the LESS hes at Pixar, the better Pixar does.

      Some choose to believe Steve Jobs own self-promotion. Others do not.

    6. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs is not as bad as gates, but he is an idiot. He has saved Apple, IMHO, for now at least, but he is still kind of a jerk. So, baddie? He may not be the best person, but at the moment he seems good for Apple.

    7. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't mean to get into this discussion, but I couldn't let this go by unchallenged.

      I also note how you didn't address the LACK of success of the cube, lisa or the ///

      The question is, who cares? Even if we (incorrectly) assign all "blame" to Jobs, what are we left with? People who want to do great things can't be afraid to make mistakes along the way. And of course they do make mistakes.

      Seems the LESS hes at Pixar, the better Pixar does

      Yet you ignore everything that's happened at Apple while he's been there. The stock's turned around (in the mid 50's last I checked), the iMac (1.9+ million sold in one year) launched, the new blue G3 launched, and now the iBook.

      Some choose to believe Steve Jobs own self-promotion. Others do not.

      Read: "Others put on blinkers and refuse to see anything but the negatives".

    8. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >People who want to do great things can't be afraid to make mistakes along the way.

      If you go up to bat, and swing, sometimes you will hit the ball. Jobs as had MANY swings. When he swings as a technition or designer, he misses. (next,lisa, ///) When he dons his reality distortion field (LIES) he is able to connect the bat and ball.

      Jobs is a belivable liar. (Its that slime coating you find on many salesman)

      >Yet you ignore everything that's happened at Apple while he's been there. The stock's turned
      around (in the mid 50's last I checked),

      Not at all. What part of 'good salesman' are you not understanding?

      The Apple you see today (the turned around one) is the result of Gil's work as much as anyone else. Are you implying a UNIFIED motherboard scheme can go from paper to board in under a year?

      >Read: "Others put on blinkers and refuse to see anything but the negatives".

      The only blinker is above the sign warning others to question the source of the Jobs information. When its his own self-promotion, be afraid. Be very afraid.

      (and what EXACTLY is 'great' about the iBook? Colors? Curves? Oh, it's an Apple product, and Steve Jobs had something to do with it.)

    9. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >If you go up to bat, and swing, sometimes you
      >will hit the ball. Jobs as had MANY swings. When
      >he swings as a technition or designer, he
      >misses. (next,lisa, ///) When he dons his
      >reality distortion field (LIES) he is able to
      >connect the bat and ball.
      So have a lot of people. You think IBM's Jr PC was IBM's first try at a PC? Or how about HP's or Lexmark's first line of inkjets? Or how about Disney's first full-length animated movie (after Pinochio, people weren't sure if Disney should keep making animated movies and should stick with cartoons). Point is everybody has screw-ups, not just Jobs. And leaving one man to blame at a company with 8000 employees is ludicrous. What about bad product positioning, bad marketing, bad timing, poor engineering,

    10. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, damned Windows...

      Point is, everybody has failures. Pixar is doing great (and contrary to your belief, Toy Story was under development for 3 1/2 years, long before Jobs took his position as iCEO of Apple).

      The Mac has come back under Jobs. I'm not attributing it all to Jobs as much as your are attributing the Apple ///'s demise to Jobs, just giving credit where credit is due. But look at it this way - Jonathan Ives has been with Apple since 1992. But only in the past two years has he come up with the iMac, the iBook and who knows what else. So obviously has let him loose.

      No, a unified architecture wasn't Jobs sole idea. But let's face it - CHRP (the unified architecture) failed under Gil; the engineers said it simply wasn't possible. CHRP was supposed to debut in 1995; by the time Gil left it was two years overdue and was killed just before he left. Jobs revived it, put the entire ROM in RAM and used a single architecture in under a year's time. Somebody lit a fire under that engineer's butt.

      Ryan

    11. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And exactly how do OTHER computers fail to deliver on this idea?

      Other machines weigh less, and have more features.

      And, for $7-900 more you can get a g3 powerbook.

      So, whats 'different' about the iBook, other than the color?

    12. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jonathan Ives is one of the only 'visionary' people there.

      Newton Emate/2000
      20th Annv. Mac

      are 3 more of his items. Now, not every one of his designs is a hit. Look at all the different visions for the 2oth Annv mac. only one won.

    13. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Good or Bad? Black or White? On or Off?
      Sorry, it's not so simple. Dualism only gets you so far.
      But in the grand scheme of things, he's not that terrible. Much better than Gates.
      I'd put him up there with Bill Joy. Both Steve Jobs and Bill Joy have, well, issues from their youth that come back to haunt them, but both have clearly matured and become better people in the last two decades.
      Of Bill Gates one can hardly say as much.

    14. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by rasterboy · · Score: 1
      There are people who liked:
      NeXT Cubes
      Apple ///
      Lisa

      Well, people liked, NeXT Step/Open Step, and the Macintosh, and Apple... Jobs left the Lisa project...

      Oh, I really liked Toy Story and A Bug's Like, hmmm, both Steve Jobs were involved in!

      Apples SUCCESS was its 'open' Apple ][

      Yeah, *was*, and Microsoft's success was DOS, they've both moved on eh?

      The iMac has sold almost 2 million units in one year! If Apple had not created the iMac, can you name any company that would have created a computer that would have caputured so much attention (from ORDINARY first time computer buying people?)

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    15. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by hime · · Score: 1

      The iMac has sold almost 2 million units in one year! If Apple had not created the iMac, can you name any company that would have created a computer that would have caputured so much attention (from ORDINARY first time computer buying people?)

      emachines.

    16. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by benbean · · Score: 1

      The way I see is that both Jobs and Gates are obviously maniacal, but with Jobs it's always about making the best products, whereas with Gates it is always about making the most money. As a consumer, I'm taking what's behind door number one.

      --
      It's a Unix system - I know this.
    17. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by Arkham · · Score: 1

      For $900 more? That's more than half of the price!?! I have two desktop machines. One is an x86 PC that dual boots Windoze and Linux. The other is a Mac that boots MacOS 8.6, LinuxPPC, and BeOS 4.5. I have powerful desktop systems. I don't need to spend $2500 for an all-inclusive notebook. What I need is a decent machine that's durable, fast, has a nice screen, and can hook into my network quickly and easily. I don't need DVD, and weight is not my primary concern so much as the ability to haul it to work and have it function all day without swapping batteries.

      The iBook is it. It's cheaper than most PC laptops with similar features, it has a great screen, built-in modem and Ethernet, and wireless networking so I can sit on my deck and surf with my cable modem wirelessly at 11MBps.

      And the iBook will sell very well. It's not because of Steve's salesmanship, it's because it's a great value (more so even than the iMac, which is expensive compared to the PC world).

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      - Vincit qui patitur.
    18. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by HeghmoH · · Score: 2

      I just have to correct one thing here. The iMac was basically a powerbook with some desktop components and a CRT. Its motherboard is almost identical to the motherboards found in the PowerBook G3s of the era. Thus the floopy connector.

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      Mod down posts with a "Free Mac Mini/iPod" sig, they're spam!
    19. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Like most folk, he's both. His specialty is inspiring people. He tries to hold onto whatever they create, but he does pay them well to make it, and he treats them well while they work for him. But they are working FOR him. Sometimes his rhetoric indicates otherwise, because he does work at inspiring people. But he sees the creation as his.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    20. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by 1millionmhz · · Score: 1

      and what EXACTLY is 'great' about the iBook? Colors? Curves?


      The primary thing that is good about the iBook is the same thing that's was good the orignal Mac and the iMac, they bring advanced features and concepts to people who wouldn't ordinarily have the time or patience to learn them or the understanding to grasp them. For the iBook, that component is pervasive computing, being able to treat the computer like a natural part of your everyday experience. The wireless networking option is truly forward thinking for a consumer machine (don't forget who it's aimed at). This will be GREAT for schools.

      Believe it or not, some people in computing are thinking about something other than the next revision to the Linux kernel...

    21. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by TheInternet · · Score: 1


      All 3 Jobs was involved. All 3 can be called failures.

      While I think there's a little fact-bending regarding history going on here, it's irrelevant in the point that the iMac has been wildly successful. Jobs rode the iMac to introduction.


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    22. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by TheInternet · · Score: 1

      Just proved the author's point.

      - Scott
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      Scott Stevenson

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      Tree House Ideas
    23. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by TheInternet · · Score: 1


      Its motherboard is almost identical to the motherboards found in the PowerBook G3s of the era.

      This is completely and utterly intentional, BTW. Apple has been working towards a unified hardware architecture.


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    24. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by PotPieMan · · Score: 2

      Have I missed something? I wouldn't call Steve Jobs a visionary, but he definitely knows how to make products that people will like--he's intelligent in that respect. Jobs has done certain things to get the attention back on Apple, and this event is no exception. Jobs deserves respect for what he has done with Apple, even if you don't like the products Apple has put out under him. Pretty much anything anyone does won't be liked by someone, but it's important to give people the respect they deserve. Jobs has done the dirty work, but he's been graceful about it. Apple wouldn't be Apple without the influence of Jobs on the company, from the beginning. This keynote thing is pretty pointless, except to draw attention to Apple. A few years ago, the MacWorld keynotes were all but ignored by everyone but the Apple faithful. But that's all changed because of Steve Jobs.

      I'm surprised at some of the Slashdotters that have replied to this article. I use Mac OS, Linux, and Windoze; Mac OS is my favorite OS for some reasons, Linux for others, and Windoze...well, anyway. I thought most Linux users were capable of respecting the other operating systems and the force behind them. While this force is just as different as the operating systems themselves, it should not be taken for granted. I may be speaking for myself, but most Mac users aren't looking for an "objective" opinion, but rather respect. We have reasons for choosing Mac OS, just like you have reasons for choosing Linux. After experiencing both Linux and Mac OS, I can respect both operating systems. Please do the same.

    25. Re:What's the current consensus guys? by apathetik · · Score: 1

      He's just another CEO who's a bit whackier than Bill Gates and is not so money obsessed. He's made quite few mistakes like the LISA and hiring Sculley from Pepsi.

      Apple's not the start up from 1977 or even 1983. I would put it on a par in corpoate wholesomeness as IBM or Oracle (not quite as bad as Microsoft).

      I would say he's about 0.7 Bill Gates on the scale of assholeness.

  3. Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its worse...he is a marketing guy now!

  4. Um, the keynote was last wednesday. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May I humbly suggest that Slashdot no longer report any news pertaining to Apple if they are going to do it so cluelessly. First they reported the "big news" that the new PowerBooks were out, only 2 months after it happened. Now they are reporting on something that happened last week. Other news was already reported from Macworld (eg iBook).

    If anybody really cares, the Keynote can be seen in streaming QuickTime off Apple's site.

  5. It's probably your fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you send /. the URL when it first came out? If not then quit bitching. Do you expect the Slashdot crew to scour the entire net every day just to make sure they catch the stuff that thier contributors (ie, the readers, ie YOU) didn't send in?

    Further, they do get a huge volume of submissions every day, many of which are repeats. I would get pretty sick of that job if I were them, I believe. I can hardly fault the job that they are doing. Sure, they may not be on top of every single story out there, but I certainly wouldn't call them clueless. Not only is that untrue, but it's just plain rude and unappreciative.

    Travis

  6. Stuff that MATTERS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. SLOW day.

    Something that happened Wednessday, which is NEWS HERE because:

    A charsimatic computer salesman is portrayed by and actor.

    For 2 minutes.

    Exactly how does an actor pretending to be a pretender rate as 'stuff that matters'?

    Whats next....this comment moderated to a 5 as informative?

    1. Re:Stuff that MATTERS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderated from funny to flamebait.

      Methinks the sting of questioning if this story is 'stuff that matters' is to much for thee.

      At least its not deleted...

  7. Re:Big News!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    False. There are original articles.

  8. Re:Where to view the MacWorld Ketnote Address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > For all those who missed it, here is the where the Steve Jobs Keynote Address can be viewed here:

    > RealVideo and Windows MediaPlayer (sponsored by Microsoft and Intel, oddly enough)

    This link is broken. Mind posting it again?

    QuickTime 4.0 sucks (it would've sucked less if it existed for UNIX).

  9. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not THAT Ozzie Osbourne... :)

    1. Re:But... by eshefer · · Score: 2

      Yes that was the most bizzare moment of the keynote.. I was kind of hoping to see a IBM exec bite the head off a chicken.. that would definetly prove that IBM has changed from the old suit and tie days.. :-)
      --------------------------------

  10. Vegetarians and Cannibals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs is a vegetarian.
    Gates is a cannibal.




    Your choice.

  11. Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How kW33R does it have to be?

    It's a zillion dollar corp with g@wd nose how many pooor little poeple hoping that the b0ss isn't smoking dope and then he goes an pulls a stunt like this. Man, any other fknG corp on the planet and they'd have his ass sliced and in the fridge before dawn.

    When are you people gonna wake up. The man is held up by cotton threads and stabbed in the ass before he ever says anything. This is not good. The only guy who's beating the crap out of the competition works for someone else.

    Please to stop being an asshole and to be growing the ferq up.

    I like the tangerine stuff, that's cute, it looks like PLASMA.

    I shrug.

    1. Re:Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder whether these script kiddies will be able to get jobs mowing lawns when they make it to Junior High School. I guess that depends on whether they've learned to fill out the employment papers. So far, this one doesn't look like he's destined for greatness.

    2. Re:Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man! How utterly are you correct on this issue. I cannot believe the trubble you're enduring. You' re such a TROJAN.

      I hope one day that I'll have enough FRIENDS OR EVEN PETS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE to comprise sufficient tribute to become your equal.

      Also stephen jobbs is nice but scary. And none of his machines run unix, why is that?...

      Yes.

    3. Re:Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tribute comprises pets, not pets comprise tribute. LARGER "comprise" (smaller pieces).
      American illiteracy strikes again.

    4. Re:Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0





      More script kiddies who haven't finished grammar school yet. Sigh.

    5. Re:Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, fair's fair. I'm clearly 4 years down on reading shakespear and righ now the gap between you and me is TOO LARGE FOR ONE MAN TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.

      Let's call it quits. Perhaps you have fine blonde hair and smooth skin. Perhaps your name is RALPH and perhaps (oh sweet lord) you own a Kawasaki. I'm not gonna argue, a KH250 or Z900 or even one of those new things that go...

      ZZZZZHZHHHHhhhhhhhhaaaaaammmm.......

      right past your ear when you're trying to turn into a lane, yeah EVEN one of them would be great.

      Do you wear leather? Do you think steve jobs wears leather?

      Soft, cool leather, stretched over a FULLY EXPRESSED THIGH. That quadruple stitched seam, quietly strained but holding...

      Do you imagine, for even a moment, that aapl's upper 10 managers resemble this scene?

      What, you can't name 10?

      Ok, how about 4.

      Mmm, 3?

      Oh come on, you must know someone ELSE who's got a finger on it all?

      Soft, smooth, straining... uuuuhhh

    6. Re:Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd better pay a private tutor to help you with your AP English class. You'll never make it the way you're going now.

    7. Re:Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Main Entry: comprise
      Pronunciation: k&m-'prIz
      Function: transitive verb
      Inflected Form(s): comprised; comprising
      Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French compris, past participle of comprendre, from Latin
      comprehendere
      Date: 15th century
      1 : to include especially within a particular scope
      2 : to be made up of
      3 : COMPOSE, CONSTITUTE

      usage Although it has been in use since the late 18th century, sense 3 is still attacked as wrong. Why it has been singled out is not clear, but until comparatively recent times it was found chiefly in scientific or technical writing rather than belles lettres. Our current evidence shows a slight shift in usage: sense 3 is somewhat more frequent in recent literary use than the earlier senses. You should be aware, however, that if
      you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up.




      Got this from the dictionary. Looks to me like
      smaller pieces comprise larger pieces, and larger pieces comprise smaller pieces.

    8. Re:Mmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And so you have been subjected to criticism. This surprises you?

    9. Re:Mmm... by Anarkhia · · Score: 1

      He could write erotic literature. :)

    10. Re:Mmm... by itachi · · Score: 1

      Well, most of the 603 based power pcs can't run mklinux or any of the bsd's, but this is due to the fact that they are crappy machines. The power PC performas with little to no upgrade capability, built for use by the same sort of people who use iMacs. I tried to find something for a 603 based machine, but no luck. Anything else runs some sort of *nix/BSD, though, even the old mac II machines. Which is way cool.

    11. Re:Mmm... by mattreilly · · Score: 1

      Actually, my Supermac C600 (603e) has run LinuxPPC, I'm pretty sure it can run MKLinux & I'm working on getting NetBSD/ppc to boot. As long at the box is PCI based you shouldn't have a problem with it.

      cheers,


      Matthew

    12. Re:Mmm... by Clarus128 · · Score: 1

      Are we discounting any PCI based PowerMac that runs LinuxPPC (including iMac and B&W G3's)? Plus most 68K Macs & NuBus PMacs that can run MKLinux? Plus the fact that MacOS X is BSD based??

      So what machines of his don't run unix/linux? The Mac Plus? Get with the program.

    13. Re:Mmm... by G3nius · · Score: 1

      Is anyone supposed to understand what you are saying? Or are you just being cute, trying to talk like a hollywood hacker...

  12. Re:Big News!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Far and few between... Admit it its the board that brings you to /. not "content"

  13. Re:Steve Jobz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then don't read it!!!!!! It was a joke, some of us found it amusing. If you didn't that's your problem.

  14. Re:Steve Jobz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who taught you to spell, child? "By their postings shall ye know them" it has been written. And by yours we know you to be mentally retarded.

  15. Re:Big News!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's a "board", script kiddie?

  16. Re:How does that make him a "script kiddie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a name like yours, you obviously count.

  17. of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think about it... With Steve Jobs' behavior and attitude, he's got to be happy with any portrayal that doesn't include sacrificing children.

  18. Re:Big News!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You write "the rest of us young scripters and hackers". I guess we agree on the geek definition of hacker, but what the devil is a "scripter"?

  19. Re:Big News!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's "drivle"?

  20. It makes me think more highly of Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No matter what you say about Steve Jobs (and I for
    one can say a lot -- the word jerk may be one word
    I would use) at least he has a sense of humor.

    Is the "are you a virgin?" story true?

  21. Re:It's a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, give BG some credit.. doesn't anyone remember that parody of the VolksWagen commercial that he and Ballmer did a year or two back?

  22. Re:Steve Jobz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't handle a natural language's grammar, you'll never be able to handle a synthetic one.
    If you can't handle spelling of a natural language, you'll never be able to keep a variable name straight from one page of code to the next.
    In short, you'll never be anything but a horrible programmer.

  23. Re:It's a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll consider giving Bill Gates some credit once he's dead. If you'd like to increase his worship level, therefore, you know what to do.

  24. Re:How does that make him a "script kiddie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does a name like Lord Rathma make that guy a script kiddie?

    A script kiddie just takes scripts/programs/techniques that they gleen from the net and try to fuck with people...but they have no idea what the fuck their doing. Just because someone calls themselves a nickname doesn't make them a script kiddie, you idiot!

    Does that make CmdrTaco, Hemos and others here script kiddies too?

  25. At least he's not an anonymous coward like we are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He at least has the balls to sign in, not like us.

  26. Re:Steve Jobz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amen.

    so be it.

    simply can't agree more.

    what's worse: maintaining software written or designed by one such.

  27. Big News!! by J4 · · Score: 0

    All /. content is recycled, genius. Except the comments of course.

    1. Re:Big News!! by ArchAngelQ · · Score: 0

      Good point. I've seen alot of idiot script kiddies giveing the rest of us young scripters and hackers a bad name. The sort that would crack and brag. The sort that spell things like they where doing methedone and speed at the same time, and getting jolts of each, alternating every few seconds. Really. Sometimes I wonder why clueless people like that get into computers in the first place. AND HAVE THE BALLS TO GET AN ACCOUNT IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THE GAUL TO INSAULT SOMEONE! I say balls because I am betting the number of girls/women who are posting inane drivle to be next to 0%, if not 0% itself. Now someone will prove me wrong, just watch.

  28. BIG NEWS!!! by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    Linux kernel 2.2.0 is out!!! Go get it from ftp.kernel.org!

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  29. Re:Where to view the MacWorld Ketnote Address by Anarkhia · · Score: 1

    The video should be here, but the link to it is broken.

  30. Re:Good to See by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

    I strongly doubt that Jobs has moved past his dark side. From what I know of him, he's always been a jerk of the highest caliber. While his PR presence may be helping Apple, I think that's it's still far more dangerous than it's worth to let him actually *do* anything.

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  31. Noah who ? by jester · · Score: 1

    well ?

  32. OK... by sp- · · Score: 1

    If Steve Jobs is a "marketing guy" because he's advocating his company/products then Linus is a "marketing guy" for advocating linux.
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    Reveal your Source, Unleash the Power. (tm)

  33. Re:From a headhunter... by mrsam · · Score: 1
    Nobody there had a social life, just sixty hour weeks living like monks doing product testing and development all day long.

    Anyone who puts up with something like this is plain stupid. Anyone who actually knows how to do development, right now, can name his own price, and work 40 hours a week. The shortage of highly-skilled, knowledgeable, developers grows more acute every day.
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  34. Re:Wow. by Mr+Bubble · · Score: 1

    It was posted here because it's an interesting tidbit about a highly-publized show about two high-tech founding fathers.

    If you don't want to read about it, why did you click the read more link?

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    "The world is a construct of forceful imagination. Those who don't know walk around in the reailties of those who do"
  35. it works. by Zebulun · · Score: 1

    it works. i watched it last night.

    Some really cool things i learned about Quicktime 4/Quicktime TV. It streams over the net better than real's format becuase it has contracted out to a company that has thousands of dedicated servers accross the net so that your stream doesnt come from over saturated servers/connections but from a local dedicated server. The technology is supposidly better than reals (imho, it is, but its still arguable), and the server is open sourced (hence the linux quicktime server that recently came out).

    BBC One already has a continuous live feed using the quicktime format.

    -Z

    "You're a better me than me" Jobs talking to Noah W.

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  36. /.ed... by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

    Surprise, surprise, surprise... The QuickTime link has been slashdotted... (At least, the video has, not the page itself.)

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    The purpose of that site was not known.
  37. Re:Where to view the MacWorld Ketnote Address by ywwg · · Score: 1

    can someone post the correct realplayer link?

  38. Some links... by blukens · · Score: 3

    Yeah, anyone that remotely follows Apple knew about this 5 days ago, but apparently not everyone on slashdot does. Go figure. :)
    Anyway, for those interested go to http://www.apple.com/quicktime/showcase/live/mwny9 9/ for Apple's QuickTime 4 streaming movie of the whole keynote. Fastforward past the first 20 minutes or so, its just shots of the crowd gathering and bad music. :)
    Go to http://www.apple.com/hotnews/features/mwny99/ for Apple's page on the expo, including pics of Steve and Noah and a bunch of links to news stories on other sites.

  39. Re:From a headhunter... by displaytest · · Score: 1

    You must not know a lot of investment bankers, then. A lousy bonus (say $300K when they expect $500K) is the first thing that sends them out the door. And a 60 hour work week is pretty light for most bankers...

  40. Re:Steve Jobz by spudnic · · Score: 1

    Is a degree in English really a requirement for participating in discussions here at /.? Some people have better things to do with their time than sending their posts through a grammer checker. Most programmers are known for having horrible grammer skills.

    What is it with these perl guys, anyway? Don't they know that elsif should have another e in there somewhere? Bah, they must all be script kiddies.

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  41. Caught the video by Patman · · Score: 1

    I caught the video, on ZDTV I think. It was pretty funny - and Wyle did do a pretty good job of looking/sounding like him

    Quote of the Day: HTACCESS/Apache can kiss my butt.

  42. Wow. by mattreilly · · Score: 1

    /. at its worst. The entire discussion is garbage. Was the article posted here because people are interested or because it would raise people's hackles? This is what /. needs to move away from.

    cheers,

    Matthew Reilly

    1. Re:Wow. by mattreilly · · Score: 1

      I don't have anything against the news tidbit being posted or there being a lively, intelligent discussion. But that's not what is happening. Just a lot of juvenile, my car/penis/OS is better than all others posturing. This is what I meant by it being /. at it's worst. No matter what discussions start out as they usually devolve to this.

  43. Where to view the MacWorld Ketnote Address by 1millionmhz · · Score: 2
    For all those who missed it, here is the where the Steve Jobs Keynote Address can be viewed here:

    RealVideo and Windows MediaPlayer
    (sponsored by Microsoft and Intel, oddly enough)

    Streaming QuickTime (4.0)

  44. Re:First!! Almost. by BigDaddyJ · · Score: 0
    I hate to respond to first posters, but if you get THAT much out of being a "first post kiddie", you need to get out more. OR, alternatively, you could try _reading_ and _thinking_ about the articles for a change.

    --bdj

  45. perhaps.. by RoLlEr_CoAsTeR · · Score: 1

    *mindless rant*
    he'd rather use that still twitching body to examine the electrical processes in his body/mind. or, perhaps he'd use him for a test of uploading a brain.. an activity which, I believe, cannot be done. How would one possible transfer a mind? There are no ports in the brain that are compatible with the hardware that I've heard of in my life..

    *end mindless rant*

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  46. Re:It's a joke by schuster · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and do you remember the guys at Parroty Interactive? They got kicked out of COMDEX for having a Bill Gates look-alike to promote their parody of Windows, Microshaft Winblows '98?

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  47. How does that make him a "script kiddie"? by LordRathma · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure you know what a script kiddie is, or you wouldn't have used it in such a stupid manner.

    Sheez...kids these days!

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  48. Good to See by NII+Link · · Score: 1

    I watched the keynote streamed and saw this myself. It was hilarious, especially when Noah Wyle asked Steve, "Are you still a virgin?" It's nice to see that Steve Jobs is ready to move past his dark side from those days.

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  49. It's a joke by RobertW103 · · Score: 1

    It's a joke, ha-ha, funny, let's move on. Regardless of your personal opinons of Apple or Mr. Jobs, at least come up to the Big Blue Room and experience Actual Reality occasionally. Apple and the rest of the computer world losing it's sense of humor, is what got us into our present state. Lest we forget, there are other people out there who do not care about the subtle nuances of a computer, they just want to do the job and go on. I think it is refreshing to see a CEO of a multimillion corporaton who admits to watching TV. Could anyone see Bill Gates doing the same thing at a Micro$oft convention? I don't think so.

  50. From a headhunter... by MagusOceanus · · Score: 1

    My father places Full life cycle high level programers for a living, he knows his candidates well and they tell him about the places they worked. He has heard nothing but bad things about Steve Jobs, if the movie went into his behavior when he was with NEXT it would have revealed yet again how an ingenious product was screwed up by a personality problem rivaled only by Calligula.

    I know steve cares about a quality product, I'd buy something made by him over something from Bill Gates if I had a choice, but I'd never want to work for him and my Father would not place a good candidate under him but encourage them to go elsewhere.

    Bill Gates isn't much better, I have a friend in seattle that worked for microsoft for a year. Nobody there had a social life, just sixty hour weeks living like monks doing product testing and development all day long. Not even paid that well either, he does his product testing with underpaid temps without bennies...wonder why windows still crashes? there's your answer.

    1. Re:From a headhunter... by MagusOceanus · · Score: 1

      I agree wholeheartedly MrSam that anyone that puts up with that is stupid. Yet many do. Some think that if they put up with it in Microsoft, with such experiance on their resume they will be able to name their price when they move on. Some hope to move within the company.

      My friend that got a job there was a pretty entry level tech that went into a seattle computer training course run by that state's welfare department because her teaching degree was pretty useless there. She only got long term sub assignments with no decent pay.

      Anyway, she and others in her classes were then put into an agency that paid them about $10hr to run various programs on windows 98 (before it was released) and report on each programs functionality. They also did hardware installation. There was no real quality control in that environment, over personel, or anything. And the manager running that department would obstruct any and all attempts anyone there had of moving into a permanent position and a different department of microsoft. It was a hell-hole.

      But what surprises me is how many high level people in many different places, even investment banks, tolerate getting lousy Bonuses and work 60 hour weeks. Sometimes it's someone that is very talented from overseas that wants a work visa ans citizenship desperately getting taken advantage of, but most of the time it's someone that just doesn't know their own worth. Still there are good managers too that fight for their workers to keep a 40 hr week, people just have to look.

      The only person I know that works 60 weeks that is reasonable is a consultant friend that takes six month off a year, he makes incredible money. I'd do that if I could :).

  51. Crisp tone!...easy does it! by MagusOceanus · · Score: 1

    Well, I never claimed to be a headhunter myself, my father is and if there are people that are being underpaid because they do not know their own worth and are breaking thier ass besides I am sure he has not misrepresented some people he has met, and put into higher paying jobs. You are correct that there are some people that will willingly work above 60 hr weeks if they are compensated adequately, and that most people will leave if they are not compensated well. Most. That I point out that there are people that do not know their own worth and work as hard as people that do with the same skills does not really give you a foothold to say "I must no know a lot of investment bankers then". I don't nor have I claimed to that wasn't what I was talking about.

    My father places programmers and techs that are high-level but hands-on that support the investment bankers, they are NOT "the" investment bankers themselves. Their bonuses are not 300 to 500k unless they happen to be the cheif information officer or are of similar stature. Most bonuses for the support managment/disaster recovery guy or higher level programmer is more modest, though it seems like a lot of money to me right now (about 35,000 was a guaranteed bonus I heard accepted in a negotiation).

    BTW there are some investment banks and particularly some managers that are notorius for poor bonuses that do indeed lose a lot of good people. Perhaps they are where entry-level people pay their dues for experiance until they can go elsewhere, such places are usually where my father will try to recruit from since most employees are all too willing to leave. But still some people will put up with that crap and stay for a decade or more, who knows why....