Mozilla M10 Released To The World

johns713 sent us the word that Milestone 10 of Mozilla has been released. For more information on what M10 has read the release notes. Now I gotta see if it will stay up on my machine this time - or at least beat Netscape for uptime.

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Other release news, Linux 2.3.20 is out

[jd]

Those who like playing with the latest & greatest might want to try out 2.3.20. It's on the usual mirrors, and whilst it's been out since Saturday, it is new news on Slashdot. :)

(No offence meant to the admins here, who do a great job.)

Deja vu -- perhaps a new script would help?

[FreeUser]

This is something a script probably ought to be able to catch, or at least help point out. Clearly hemos didn't know roblimo had already posted this Saturday, but perhaps some kind of a "pre-post" filter could have warned him that an article with nearly identical terms was posted within the last 72 hours, with a link to the article that could be checked and verified to see if it was indeed the same (or very similar) article or not.

Just a suggestion -- this sort of thing happens, but it does have a way of bringing out the malcontents with their flamethrowers set to kill.

But before the malcontents scream too loudly: there is plenty of new stuff on /. to keep one busy. And remember, you can't beat the price of this particular magazine ...

Redundant article?

[juggleme]

Maybe all we really need is a way for the moderators to mark articles as Redundant. Or insightful, interesting, whatever, but no points; that could get ugly...

Sorry to make this short, but I gotta run in about 5 ms (milliseconds, not Microsofts...)

Re:I want software that doesn't suck!

[jd]

• Did Microsoft produce it? Last I heard, a company called Spyglass contributed most of the original IE code.
• IE 5.0 doesn't crash in the first minute, true. It waits until the second. I've had plenty of IE crashes under NT and 98.
• MS IE 5 doesn't run under Linux, and probably never will. Not a ringing endorsement, if you have to install a second OS, just to run a web browser.
• Mozilla is phenominal, as a browser. It's not rock-solid, yet, but it's not a final release, either. I suspect even IE wasn't brilliant, in the early alpha stages.
• Then, there's Arena, and some of the other W3 Consortium's web browsers. Not the latest technology, true, but they're good and they're very usable.
• If you're tied into Microsoft, and use only a Microsoft OS, why post about a (primarily) Unix web browser? It says a lot about the grey matter in the original poster's head.
• If you're going to flamebait, I'll point out your grammatical errors. Your sentance structure is horrible and you miss out a number of commas. All in all, I'm going to give your post a grade of F, and that's generous.

Re:Pre-post filter

[displaytest]

They could grep it with their own friggin' eyes on the main page in the "Older Stuff" section. It's apparent that the "editors" of Slashdot don't read Slashdot.

Re:How to detect glibc version?

[jd]

There are several ways to do this:

1. Look at /lib/libc* and /usr/lib/libc*. The version should be given as the filename.
2. There should be a header file, in /usr/include, that includes the major and minor version number for glibc.

Re:Again, a duplicate...

[jd]

Oh, no! It can't be true, can it? Aiii! It's too horrible to contemplate! Roblimo, Hemos and CmdrTaco are victims of a horrible experiment by alien beings, involving a Xerox machine and a photocopier!

Re:wow

[jd]

*G* The aliens took over my keyboard, to prevent the ugly truth leaking out. Honest! That should have been a Xerox machine and a revolving door. :)

Re:How to detect glibc version?

[Chuck Chunder]

Righto 2.0.7 it is.
The question now is can I safely upgrade (using an RPM or by spending a day downloading and compiling all the bits and pieces) without breaking other things?

The Great Chunder Page - Alcohol Induced Fun!

Re:I want software that doesn't suck!

[bi0s]

Personally I detest IE. I'll never use it on any machines I have. I even removed it from win98 w/ 98lite. Machine never crashes. Thats amazing for a windows machine ;) I've had uptimes of 4 weeks. But seriously, I've had nothing but an extremely bad experience w/ any version of IE, on any machine. Everyone always talks about Netscape crashing, or ghosting, etc. When? Maybe I'm just lucky... I'm a die-hard Netscape user...when the company was assimilated by AOL, I felt something good had died...Mozilla.org is my last hope. I don't believe the Netscape Node of AOL can put out anything as good as Mozilla.org could if given enough time.

They keep adding on extra Sh!t I don't want. That shopping button in the latest release, wtf? I can find a site to buy stuff from very well myself... I'm still using 4.5, & even keep my 2.x & 3.x versions on here for nostaglia. If Mozilla.org can't deliver within the next year+, i'll prolly use 4.5 for as long as it can work for all the sites I visit...but I might end up switching to Opera, even tho the design/interface/everything of that browser just makes me sick...we'll see what happens w/ the Beta release of Mozilla...

Tom

Re: Software that doesn't suck

[jd]

I agree with what you're saying. IMHO, that is the great thing about projects such as Mozilla. They ARE open source, so people CAN do more than gripe. If they have an itch, they have the power to scratch it.

I also agree that getting the core stable first is the important part. A UI is (a) trivial, and (b) totally unimportant when it comes to what the software can do.

The cost of IE has been blended in with other products, making it an invisible cost. Whilst it's d/l is "free", you can bet their accounting department can say exactly how much profit they've made on it. Having said that, from the user's perspective, IE is free. That deters them from using anything else seriously, as anything else has to cost more, somehow... ...doesn't it?

Re:New? I've had it at least two days.

[linuxci]

Are you running apprunner or viewer? If you run mozilla-apprunner.sh or whatever it's called you'll have something that resembles a web browser with the back, forward and stop buttons as well as bookmarks and a useful cookie manager. Viewer is just a basic shell for testing the layout engine without all the additional overhead so it can be used to test bugs in the layout engine.
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Re:Wish it would work on Alpha

[Mike Shaver]

That's a pretty interesting accusation, Dr. Spong. I've not heard any reports of such assumptions in Mozilla code in many months, though there are some problems on Linux/Alpha: lack of -mieee in CFLAGS on systems which aren't correctly detected as Alphas, and some issues which might be related to glibc/pthreads stuff (``CAN'T HAPPEN'' things in pthread_mutex_lock, etc.). These aren't universal problems with the architecture, though, as evidenced by the fact that we have a working M10 build for OpenVMS/Alpha, which is also a 64-bit platform. (The M10 build for that, as well as Linux/SPARC, will be hitting the FTP site shortly.)

If you can find a case of code depending on 32-bit pointer width, please file a bug and Cc: shaver@mozilla.org on it. I will _personally_ repair it, if you don't get rapid response for the owner of the code in question.

Try the nightly builds

[linuxci]

If you're on a permanent net connection it's probably a good idea to keep up with the nightly builds if you want to see progress with Mozilla. There's already a few noticeable improvements in todays nightly build which weren't in the milestone release. Remember that as these builds are produced automatically there may be times when the builds are more buggy than usual or won't start at all.

If you're using the latest version it may help in submitting useful bug reports and will help you spot bugs as they happen (remember to quote the build ID when submitting bug reports - it is found in the status bvar at the bottom).
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Re:I want software that doesn't suck!

[cpt kangarooski]

Did Microsoft produce it? Last I heard, a company called Spyglass contributed most of the original IE code.

Well, the story I've heard goes something like this:

MS: We need a web browser, quick. We've never rapidly developed anything as good as flakey software on our own before, so we'd better buy it. Let's go buy Spyglass to obtain their Spyglass Mosaic browser.

Spyglass: No way are you going to buy us. We know what happens to people who get bought out by MS. Forget it.

MS: Well shoot, I guess we can't fool you. What about a licensing agreement.

Spyglass: Wellll... what kind of agreement did you have in mind?

MS: Tell you what, we'll give you guys 50% of the gross. Now that's a good deal.

Spyglass: Say, that is a good deal. No tricks?

MS: Would we lie?

Spyglass: It's a deal!

MS: Great. Did we mention that we're going to give it away for free, which means you get nothing at all?

Spyglass: ;_;

The moral is, don't deal with the Devil^H^H^H^H^H Microsoft.