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1999 Nobel Science Prizes Announced

Andrew Childs writes "The 1999 Nobel Prizes in the sciences have been announced. The physics prize goes to Gerardus 't Hooft and Martinus Veltman "for elucidating the quantum structure of electroweak interactions in physics." The chemistry prize goes to Ahmed Zewail "for his studies of the transition states of chemical reactions using femtosecond spectroscopy." And the prize in physiology or medicine goes to Gunter Blobel "for the discovery that proteins have intrinsic signals that govern their transport and localization in the cell." "

121 comments

  1. Pauling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He died a while back. But he was the only person to win two non-shared Nobel prizes.

    Now take your vitamin C.

  2. nobel prize for computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes.. i agree that a new category should be added nobel prize for computing. but pls the stop the linus crap.

  3. Re:Where's computing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And guess what allows for us to advance in those fields. MATHEMATICS. If the universe as we know it ceased to exist, the one faucet of human knowledge that would still be pertinent is MATHEMATICS. Besides computer science is really rooted in mathetmatics. It wouldn't make sense to have a computer science prize without a math one first.

  4. Re:protein signals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its much, much,m uch mroe complicated then that. Take a year of college biology, and you'll find out :] (or just read the book).

  5. Re:Where the hell is the computing prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The advances in the tech industry are fueled by advances in chemistry and physics. The tech industry is an application of the aforementioned disciplines. Just as computer science is an application of mathematics.

  6. Re:Truly News for Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the acts inbetween giving out awards? I could see like NIN playing a little ditty inbetween awards HEH.

  7. Re:Computer programming-biology metaphor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your analogy really simplifies what's going on. Read a first year biology book, you'll be staggered at how intricately everything is designed and how it all works together so well. If computers (hardware/software) worked 1/(really big number HEH), well, we would be set.

  8. I am outraged! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is outrageous, the nobel prize recipients need more diversity! Haven't you been told repeatedly that diversity is a strength, diversity is a strength? Now stop thinking and understand diversity is a strength! Am I the only enlightened individual here?!

    I am mad as hell that the nobel prize recipients are judged based on merit and hard work, what about life experience and athletic intelligence? It is time for us to stand up for our right to recieve a nobel prize and organize another "brown out"! We must use threats and boycotts in our struggle against the nobel meritocracy! We will force them into submission, then force them to judge based on race. So all nobel prize recipients will reflect our wonderous, diverse, rainbow paradise we call our one world. Please teach tolerance and multiculturism, PEACE!

    1. Re:I am outraged! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like somebody didn't get into the school they applied to... hmmm?

  9. Where's MATH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, if Economics gets a prize, math should.

  10. Not necessarily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about something like the invention of the reduced instruction set processor (RISC) ? Or the development of OOP? These are not as entrenched in mathematics as algorithms, but significant computer science advances none the less.

  11. Now THATS humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Not the usual crap moderated up to "Funny" in here, which usually consists of (for example)

    Bill Gates is a naughty boo-boo farty brain! *giggle*

    Windows crashes so much I feel like a crash-test dummy! *tee-hee*

    Tux is a funny penguin! He's cute and he's gonna stomp on Bill Gates (that farty-head!!) *giggle* *chuckle*

    Get with the program moderators - its ain't funny unless it makes someone else cry.

    PS - "User Friendly" isn't funny either - its lame

  12. You are lame *giggle* *giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *tee-hee* *chuckle* *giggle* *giggle* Now that's funny .. and yes you made me cry ;-P

  13. Re:It means we zap your racist brain with a laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you are refering to the Nobel peace prize, the purpose is to understand how the atoms react. *cough*les*cough*bian*cough*

  14. I was considering winning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was considering winning but I decided not to. I figured I'd let someone else win this year. Tha whole Nobel peace prize is just too easy to get, I'd rather win a proze that involves talent and inteligence.

  15. Re:Should computing have a Nobel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You said it yourself though, the networking is heavily based on mathematics, e.g. it puts a branch of mathematics to use. It, in itself, isn't anything really new. Of course, I guess the same could be said about biology and chemistry (to physics), but I don't know, the stuff in biology and chemistry is still discovering new stuff. When you draw out the ideas for networking, its really very, very simple. Networking is really just a transit system transcribed in a computer lnaguage. So in that sense, should we also give nobels to those who design our roads? They do it in concrete, computer scientists do it in c :]. I could see giving a nobel prive to the person who designed the algorithm for artifical inteligence though :].

  16. Re:Physics is *not* mathematics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Physics is not mathematics, but it is inherently dependant on mathematics. All the theories whether just hypothesis or accepted, are expressed mathematically. No mathematics -> no physics.

  17. Re:Physics is *not* mathematics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To turn it around at you, my physics teacher (recognizing his possible bias :), told us Newton developed Integral Calculus to solve a physics problem. So physics has definietely contributed to the development of math. Imagine if we didn't have integration how easy math would be! Damn newton to hell.

  18. This is getting out of control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I do not have an opinion on this issue. I mean, I couldn't even pretend to. Science is cool, and scientists are cool, but I don't care who gets the nobel prize.

    Anyone who loves science doesn't care if she ends up getting awarded the prize. It's bosh...

    OSS isn't a prizeocracy. OSS is built from the contributions of many, large contributions and small contributions. So is the work done by any Nobel recipient.

    Let's face it, if Newton were alive today he would lack the social connections needed to win the prize.

    Through knowledge we acheive freedom from ignorance, though it is our nature to be ignorant. It is also our nature to be curious. The search for knowledge is noble in and of itself.

    I think somebody should give a Nobel prize to the junior high science teacher who teaches students to reason... to look beyond the obvious and to discover things for themselves. Wonderment and Discovery are the nirvana-states for the human mind.

    Logic and Purity of Thought are the end, not the means. We must use them and relish in them, and consider the actual knowledge gained to be (as it has been proven to be throughout history) temporary and destined to be revised.

    Personally, I think they should give the prize to Darwin every year.

    1. Re:This is getting out of control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think somebody should give a Nobel prize to the junior high science teacher who teaches students to reason...

      Amen to that (funny, I'm actually agnostic... but you get the idea).

      I distinctly remember my high school math and science teachers of note (C. Manson (a different one ;>)), Mr. Shalinsky (sp?), S. Friedman, P. Dick, and a "Data Processing" teacher, Mr. Morris, who let me use the teletype and modem access to ye olde HP2000 despite not taking a formal course). While not exactly sparking an interest (I had that already), they encouraged it, rather than try to make me "normal".

      By contrast, a "guidance" counseler once tried to kill my interest, skill and ability, by arguing that I couldn't be "all that" since I couldn't "possibly" complete all the excersizes in the Grade 8 math book in a month. A rather pointless challenge, really. However, it gave me great pleasure to dump six note books of answers on her desk, "with eight hours to spare, bitch!" (Hey, I was still an impertinent teenager).

      Finding teachers that actually encourage development of reasoning faculties is hard enough. Finding one that can teach this skill would certainly warrant recognition on the order of a Nobel.

      In Liberty,

      Rene S. Hollan (posting anon.)

  19. Re:Where's computing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    " If the universe as we know it ceased to exist, the one faucet of human knowledge that would still be pertinent is MATHEMATICS."

    This statement is provably false, since, (unfortunately for those who hold such things to be absolute) Goddel's incompleteness theorem is valid for any axiomatic mathematical or logical framework one cares to devise - this basically means any consistent set of base axioms relies on an outside assumption. Thus, methematics is a product of our perception of this universe.

    - AC.

  20. Translator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the people who actually can translate what they did into english should get an award!

    1. Re:Translator by trave11er · · Score: 1

      Hehe, it is not that easy. Prize in physics, for example, was given for what you call "fundamental research", i.e. research which does not have any immediate practical application (one cannot make better refrigerators based on quantum theory of electroweak interactions ;-) ) and thus is quite tricky to explain to a mere mortal. Even working in physics (in a different area though) I have only general idea, what is it about. I've been on the press-conference, where prize winners were announced and you should have seen poor journalists running around and asking desperate questions about "practical significance" of their theory, because "electroweak interaction", "quarks" and "leptons" are not the words to appear in the evening news ;-).

    2. Re:Translator by keithc · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is a good point. Far too many of us geek-types (by which I naturally mean without prejudice scientists and engineers) try to either justify our existence or prove our worth by throwing around jargon even in a general setting. "Intelligence by vocabularly," you might say.

      It's certainly true that there are concepts and procedures which are too complex to explain in layman's terms, but it's inexcusable not to make an effort to allow people without a PhD to understand your work.

      Take the case of the Chemistry Nobel that Zewail won; the official press release describes his work as analagous to creating slow-motion film of a chemical reaction using the world's fastest camera. This is a nice, down-to-earth explanation of what is actually a rather complicated thing, which strikes me as valuable.

      This might be why so many technical classes are taught so poorly in universities. The professor either doesn't care or doesn't take the time to relate the subject matter to actual experiences that the student may have had. I'm not talking about doing a lot of hand holding, but refer again to the subject of the Chem award. It's more useful to the uninitiated to say that you're taking a bunch of pictures of the reaction so that you can play it back in slow motion than to just barf "femtosecond chemistry" all over your frosh class at the first lecture. Starting out this way provides a natural progression into the actual mechanics of the laser imaging technique and the students will have a general idea of where they're going at the outset.

      IT folks are certainly no less guilty of this. I've gotten farther explaining network wiring saying "differential signal" than by simply spouting off with "UTP CAT5." Absolute vs. relative paths? Start with a zip code or area code analogy and your criminally ignorant users will be much happier.

  21. Re:Where's computing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not how you spell his name, and that in no way lessen's the point being made. Namely that without Mathematics, no significant progress would have been made in ANY field EVER.

  22. No math Nobel is no accident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think good old Albert N. left math out on purpose. He wanted to award more practical inventions than advances in something as abstract as math, so there never was meant to be a Math Nobel. He's not really around to give his opinion on modern-day computing, though. Mathematicians have prizes own their own that compare to the Nobels in prestige.

  23. Re: 't Hooft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I enjoied a couple of lectures by 't Hooft recently and i can assure you that he would not even consider such a cheap joke.

  24. ACM Turing Award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ACM Turing Award is often described as the Computer Science equivalent to a Nobel.

  25. The second Egyptian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WooWoo - the second Egyptian man to get a nobel prize :) First one: Nagiub Mahfouz (Literature) Second one: This chemistry dude Go Egypt - The birthplace of science (don't believe me? try to build a pyramid)

  26. A fine tradition restored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The nobel prize for physics goes to two Duth physisists. Just like the good old days :-)

    It is amazing how often nobel prizes are awarded to europeans, asians and africans who work in the united states. Perhaps the US should consider paying compensations to universities in the rest of the world for draining away their talent. This might be a good thing for young american talent as well.

  27. Re:aww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If somebody uses Linux to bring about world peace, they might send Linus to Stockholm. :)

    Hmmm... reading the average /. flame w.. discussion would more likely put him in line for a prize for war ;-)

  28. Re:Where's computing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does the better understanding of electoweak forces benefit humanity?

    Ask that question again in a century or so's time. At the turn of the century, who would have guessed the benefits of QM?

    Why can't something profitable benefit humanity?

    Because then, you're doing it to benefit yourself. Any other effect is a bonus. But you can argue this point ad infinitum....

    Are you seriously telling me that life would be the same, or better, without computing?

    Of course it wouldn't be the same. Better is a matter of opinion - and you can't predict what it would be like anyway. And being on a computer does not, ipso facto, make anything better.

    I challenge you to describe the world without computing.

    For an example, do what other posters have suggested. But as I said, you can't predict what things would be like (except in general terms).

  29. Re:Truly News for Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, they are televised in Sweden...

    Not only the award ceremony itself, but also the dinner party afterwards. Imagine 5 hours of looking at people you don't know dressed up in tailcoats and evening gowns, and you get the general idea.

  30. Re:Gunter Gras wins literature prize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1


    "Hope the legislators are embarassed..."



    They would be, if they knew their shame. Not very
    familiar with Oklahoma rednecks, are you? They
    don't KNOW their level of ignorance, and have no
    sense of irony. And I doubt you've written them
    (as if they can read) to let them know there's something they should be ashamed of.

  31. Awards... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everyone on /. seems to be suggesting their should be a computing prize. I'm going to have go against that. Computer Science is really just an application of mathematics. There isn't a prize for math, so one for computer science doesnt make sense. In addition, I think people on /. would think that Larry Wall (perl author, I forget his last name) or Linus should get an award. This would be like saying well My Electric Company should get the award in physics because tehy created a Nuclear Reactor (e.g. something thats been done with really no new ideas). If there were to be a computer science award, I would guess it would go to people who designed new algorithms, such as RSA, efficient heaping techniques, or whatever. These algorithms are mostly mathematically based, so it wouldn't make sense to have the award without a math category.

  32. Re:Where's computing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Well,... Alfred Nobel set up the prizes for the fields which he deemed important. If there should be a computing prize, then a mathematics should proceed that. How many of the things done these days can be accomplished without mathematics? Computing is based fundamentally on mathematics.

    On another note, one should keep in mind that when the Nobel prizes were first established, the things applied to a much larger scale. For instance, prizes were given to the study of the atom. With a better understanding of the atom, the fields of chemistry and biology were advanced. With advancements in biology, medicine progressed. Zewail's research could potentially allow for much progress to be made in biology.

    One should remember the following when dealing with the sciences... "biology becomes chemistry, chemistry becomes physics, and physics becomes mathematics." And college student can tell you that...

  33. Re:"I challenge you..." by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 3
    It's already been done... Just open any history
    book to a pre-1970's section and start reading.


    It used to suck.


    Did it? Sure, there were other things to worry about then, but I maintain that the human condition was in a much better state back then than it is now. Computers only seem to get in the way most of the time. Sure, you can make a small exception in the field of scientific research, but think about all the other things we've lost due to the advent of the personal computer.


    People are less productive at work. (Studies have proven this again and again.)


    The government finds it much easier to maintain huge databases of people and their habits. It's a simple matter nowadays to find out any information you want about anyone -- something that was out of reach for anyone in the past who couldn't afford a private inspector is now as simple as entering your credit card and waiting for a tidy report of your neighbors' dirty laundry to arrive in your electronic mailbox. We have less privacy than before.


    Think of how much time you waste wrestling with your computer every day, every week, every month. Add it all up. Some day, you'll want that time back.


    So science has grown us a healthier tomato plant and given us the ability to maintain erections well into our sixties, and computers are a part of that. Small contribution compared to the rather enormous chunks of life and liberty they've usurped from us.


    Has your quality of life really improved?


    - A.P.
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    "One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad

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  34. Re:Where's computing? by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 1
    The name of the man is Gödel, or if you are umlaut-challenged, Goedel, and his incompletness result implies nothing of what you say. What is says is than for any formal system that is at least powerful enough to describe elementary number theory, there exists sentences ("theorems") that are true, but not provably true.

    Not only did you get your assumpions wrong (I can easily devise formal systems that are complete and yet quite useful), the complete assertion makes little sense in this context.

    --

    Stephan

  35. Don't forget the Igs ... by seth · · Score: 1

    The Ig Nobels are the prizes given by the Annals of Improbable Research for research that "cannot or should not be reproduced" You can't talk about the nobels without talking about the igs. The link is here

  36. Have a closer look at the comittee's site by mvw · · Score: 1
    Note that featured links to the announcement site of the nobel prize commitee does not only announce but also offers some nice explanations of the work done!

    Also interesting is that today we can click to the homepages of the prize winners. Again look at the announcement page. Gerardus 't Hooft having the most interesting home page one of them.

  37. Re:aww by Black+Rose · · Score: 1
    As good as Linux is, and as good as Linus is for the computing community as a whole, I don't quite think he deserves a Nobel Prize, yet... ;)

    Do they even have a Nobel Prize for *anything* involving computers?

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  38. The computing equivalent is the Turing award by JoeBuck · · Score: 4

    The closest thing to a Nobel in computer science is the Turing Award, given by the ACM.

    For mathematics, the closest equivalent is the Fields medal.

    1. Re:The computing equivalent is the Turing award by Giraffit · · Score: 1

      There's a nice anecdote on why there's no Nobel award for mathematicians -
      The legend says that Nobel wife/SO betrayed him with a matematician...

      The reason why there's no Nobel award for CS is more obviouse... when the Nobel fund opened there was no CS.

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    2. Re:The computing equivalent is the Turing award by Robert+Link · · Score: 1
      However, mathematicians can, and frequently do, win the Nobel prizes for economics and physics. The idea is that math itself does not "confer [a great] benefit on mankind", but the things you do with it might. Presumably computer science would work the same way. So, there's no reason why a computer scientist couldn't win the prize for practically any of fields, although literature, for one, seems a bit unlikely. (Start writing those Perl poems now!)


      -r

    3. Re:The computing equivalent is the Turing award by 3waygeek · · Score: 1

      The reason why there's no Nobel award for CS is more obviouse... when the Nobel fund opened there was no CS.

      So what? Nobel didn't establish the Economics prize either; it was started in 1968 to celebrate the 300th anniversary of the Swedish central bank. If there were enough call for a CS prize, they'd find a way to create one.

  39. Re:Gunter Gras wins literature prize by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

    Sadly, I think they care more about Holier-than-thou posturing and communtiy standards than Nobel Prizes.

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  40. Physics is *not* mathematics by binarybits · · Score: 1

    The history of science is strewn with theories that come up with plausible mathematical models that turn out to be wrong experimentally. You might be able to derive chemistry from physics, but you cannot derive physics from mathematics. Math is a useful tool, but it is only a tool.

  41. ... by Axe · · Score: 1

    ...so ther will be no 5th annual Nobel Prize party at Stanford Phys Dpt. Sucks. Free food was good last 4 years... :)

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  42. Re:Spelling by loki7 · · Score: 1

    Yup, but if you don't have an umlaut on your keyboard the closest spelling is Guenter.

    /peter

  43. Re:Where's computing? by Kyobu · · Score: 1

    I love computers as much as the best nerd, but no way they're worthly of a Nobel. For one thing, pretty much everything in computing is profit-oriented except for OSS, and for another, it doesn't really improve the human condition or anything.

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  44. Re:Classic case of RTFM by Kyobu · · Score: 1

    There's also a quasi-Nobel in biology, which Seymour Benzer has won, among others.

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  45. Re:Nobel for Math "Error" by dysprosium · · Score: 1

    If the Nobels were awarded solely based on the quality of the work done by these individuals, then perhaps this math trick did not deserve to win. However, there is more to the story.

    The high-energy/particle physics community in Europe is currently focusing on using CERN to find the Higgs boson (a.k.a. the "God Particle"). But, to do that (or at least to beat the Americans to it), they need more funding. Two European high-energy/particle physicists winning the Nobel is just the thing to get CERN more money.
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  46. The sad thing is... by An+Ominous+Coward · · Score: 1

    ...I honestly think you're over-estimating the knowledge of the general public.

  47. Computing isn't the only thing "missing"... by egnor · · Score: 3
    The official site has a transcription of the section of Nobel's will by which Nobel established the original prizes (physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature, and peace). He asks that the prizes be awarded to those that "conferred the greatest benefit of mankind", but for whatever reason he chose to leave out mathematics, much of biology (though you can interpret "physiology" generously) and most kinds of engineering, among others.

    I'm sure biographers have had a wonderful time guessing what influences in his life led him to favor those particular five fields.

    In any case, Nobel himself specified it that way; you can't just add another prize for your favorite field. At best, you could try to establish another "memorial" prize, like the one for economics. This is probably good: if you could, everyone would be agitating for their favorite hero to get the coveted Nobel prize. And if they succeeded, then the prize wouldn't exactly be coveted any more...

    1. Re:Computing isn't the only thing "missing"... by Hobbex · · Score: 2

      The story I heard was that Nobel's wife was involved in an affair with a young mathematician who would have stood a good chance of winning the prize for mathematics, had there been one...

      Thats a myth. Entirely untrue, but for some reason it comes up EVERY time this subject is discussed.



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    2. Re:Computing isn't the only thing "missing"... by gargle · · Score: 1

      The story I heard was that Nobel's wife was involved in an affair with a young mathematician who would have stood a good chance of winning the prize for mathematics, had there been one...

      Anyway mathematics and computer science have their own well established prizes, so there isn't really a need for Nobels in those areas. Although of course, no other prizes come close to the Nobels in terms of public prestige -- the Nobels are probably the only acamdemic prizes that most of the public can even name you.

  48. Re:Some elucidation, I hope. by rangek · · Score: 1
    Proteins interact with each other based on their shapes, and the attracting or repelling forces of their constituent parts. When they bind to each other, it works much like a lock and key (when they briefly mesh to facilitate some reaction, then break apart) or interlocking puzzle pieces (when they bind more permanently). Much more of a tactile than an optical event.

    As a theoretical chemist, I must object. The interaction of two molecules is a consequence of electrostatics and the quantum mechanical properties of the electron (e.g., exchange and correlation, etc.)

    To call these complex interaction "tactile" (while infinitely better than calling them optical) is just plain wrong.

    As far as the hardware vs. software issue, I don't think you can apply those paradigms here. The protiens a piece of DNA codes for is a function of structure, and the actual enzyme is far more complex than the protien encoded for. For example, once assembled, a protien may go through several chemical changes before it becomes "activated" (e.g., picking up metal ions or other chemical moieties). So one could say that the protien has a program too.

    Since one can call anything in a cell hardware or software to one degree or another, I don't think these analogies help to elucidate anything biological or physical in this case.

  49. Not! - Renormalization recognizes our ignorance. by apsmith · · Score: 1

    Uhh, it's a little more soundly based than that!

    Renormalization is a very powerful technique that applies across a broad swath of physics, not just with elementary particles. The supposed "math error" is a recognition that the mathematical theories are incomplete. For example, in QED a calculation of the energy of an electron as a point charged particle gives you an infinite number - that can't be right of course because the electron does not have infinite energy or mass. An examination of where the infinity comes from reveals that it involves stuff at very small distances (and very high particle energies) - the renormalization technique is then to remove the infinity by putting in a high energy or short-distance cutoff in some physically consistent manner. Renormalization is really an augmentation of a mathematically "pretty" theory with some rules for getting practical calculations out of it - and the results are indeed very practical - QED has been verified in some instances to 1 part in 10^12 or so, better than any other basic physical theory we have.

    The totally correct theory of course would not treat the electron (or photon) as a point particle but as some extended object (eg. a string). String theories in fact do resolve all these weird infinities, which is why they are so popular. Unfortunately, it's impossible to calculate just about anything practical with string theory (yet).

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  50. Some elucidation, I hope. by drox · · Score: 2

    Proteins have always struck me (who've never taken an organic chem class) as programs, hardware and software in one...

    I think they're more hardware than software. Some proteins are enzymes, functioning in the regulation of vital chemical processes, others are structural, and that, to me, makes them more analogous to hardware.

    Hope this helps.

    If they must be software, I think proteins would be object code, while the genetic material (DNA for most of us) would be analogous to source code. Maybe all those introns (DNA segments that are copied in replication but never expressed) are comments, formatting, etc!

    Then again, maybe it's all object code, with introns as the logic of the program, while extrons are the data. By this analogy, the extrons are the DNA code that gets transcribed (expressed) into proteins, while the introns dictate under what conditions to transcribe them. Loops and comparisons and subroutines, oh my!

    ...possibly optical in nature...

    I'd guess tactile, rather than optical. For one, unless one is working at extremely high (and thus damaging/dangerous to fragile DNA) frequencies, electromagnetic radiation (light) is inadequate to resolve the minute details of proteins. They're just too small. That's why electron microscopes and x-ray crystallography and the like are required instead of just visible-light microscopes.

    Proteins interact with each other based on their shapes, and the attracting or repelling forces of their constituent parts. When they bind to each other, it works much like a lock and key (when they briefly mesh to facilitate some reaction, then break apart) or interlocking puzzle pieces (when they bind more permanently). Much more of a tactile than an optical event.

  51. "I challenge you..." by William+Wallace · · Score: 1

    "I challenge you to describe the world without computing."

    It's already been done... Just open any history
    book to a pre-1970's section and start reading.

    It used to suck.

    -WW

    1. Re:"I challenge you..." by William+Wallace · · Score: 1

      "Computers only seem to get in the way most of the time."

      For you maybe, not for me.

      "think about all the other things we've lost due to the advent of the personal computer. "

      Now compare that to all that we've gained, and
      you'll see a lopsided victory in favor of
      computers. It's not even close.

      Perhaps you're one of those that just would like
      to get back to the "good old days"? I've heard
      this scenario before... the grass is always greener
      and all that.

      "People are less productive at work."

      You left out how computers have created entirely
      new fields of work, while utterly replacing the
      need for humans in others. It's give and take.

      Sure, right now computers are a distraction in
      SOME fields where they are not being used
      correctly, or are overkill for the job at hand,
      or the person is not responsible enough to handle
      having a computer, or....... you get the point.
      It's not the computer's fault that some people
      mis-use it. I bet the same could be said for many
      new inventions at the workplace.

      "something that was out of reach for anyone in the past who couldn't afford a private inspector is now as simple as entering your credit card and waiting for a tidy report of your neighbors' dirty laundry to arrive in your electronic mailbox."

      So you feel that only allowing the rich access to
      information is a good thing? Funny, I thought the
      notion of computers leveling the playing field was
      a good thing!

      "We have less privacy than before."

      So what? Privacy is traded all the time for other
      things. It's not "Here, take our privacy, and give
      us nothing in return." There's a REASON you're
      losing privacy.

      And if you really want to, you can take it back.
      Trade in your PC's, your radios, your CD players,
      your microwave, your gameboy and N64, your TV,
      and yes, even your car. Trade them all in, for
      they all use computers, and go move out into the
      wilderness, or some remote, foreign location.

      Now you have your privacy... are YOU happy with that?
      I wouldn't be.

      "Small contribution compared to the rather
      enormous chunks of life and liberty they've
      usurped from us."

      You're living in another reality. You should
      write a book about it and stick it in the sci-fi
      section. You might even make enough money to
      afford that privacy you're after.

      "Has your quality of life really improved?"

      Are you reading this response in the comfort of
      your own home or back yard, while sipping a fine
      wine, smoking a cigar, lying on your back with the
      blue skies above, and your kids playing in the pool?

      No, but you could be, because of a little device
      known as a FUCKING COMPUTER.

      So, I guess my answer would be, "Yes."

      -WW


      -WW

    2. Re:"I challenge you..." by William+Wallace · · Score: 1

      "All right... You all have spent so much time in front of an 18" screen, you can't see the big picture. 1) The term "Dark Ages" ...."

      And you have spent too much time studying history
      that you can't see my .sig is A JOKE. I stole it
      off a bumper sticker. Yes, we know correlation
      does not equal causation.

      Here's another one for ya. Maybe you can tell me
      the history behind it:

      "Jesus loves you.
      Everyone else thinks you're an asshole."

      -WW

    3. Re:"I challenge you..." by William+Wallace · · Score: 1

      "um uh last time i checked my microwave didnt have a computer"

      I didn't say it had a PC, I said it had a
      computer. A programmable electronic device that
      performs prescribed operations on data (and
      input/feedback) at high speed.

      "by the way any car with a computer in it sucks!!!!"

      Well, that would be any car made in the last
      10-15 years or so... They're all controlled by
      an on-board computer.

      "radio no need for a computer there radios have only gotten smaller not better with transistor and circut technology, the marconi wireless could cross the atlantic and thats about as far as one
      needs."

      I should have qualified: modern, electronic radios. Of course radio waves themselves only need
      power and amplification to be sent...

      "whats the quality of life for those who have no
      jobs or one which offers a paper hat instead of
      self respect because they lost thier jobs to a
      computer."

      I'm not trying to answer if computers have been
      good to EVERYONE ON EARTH. There are always people
      who come out on the bad side of everything. That
      does not mean computers haven't changed things for
      the good.

      Or do you miss the days before we had factories
      that can create products faster than men by
      themselves?

      " in short if youre going to make an arguement
      know what you are talking about and consider all
      sides of the issue before spouting off thank you"

      I have considered all sides of the argument. You,
      however, are ignorant on many points here.

      -WW

    4. Re:"I challenge you..." by skepticphilosopher · · Score: 1

      um uh last time i checked my microwave didnt have a computer..... neither does my grandmothers 1950's amana radar range hmmmmm oh by the way any car with a computer in it sucks!!!! (unless its a laptop in the back seat)... radio no need for a computer there radios have only gotten smaller not better with transistor and circut technology, the marconi wireless could cross the atlantic and thats about as far as one needs. and i do also beleave that while some tv's use computer chips they are not necessary, besides whats worth watching on tv anyway? pc and n64 well they are just computers anyway, i would much rather have my privacy anyway. oh and quality of life... whats the quality of life for those who have no jobs or one which offers a paper hat instead of self respect because they lost thier jobs to a computer. in short if youre going to make an arguement know what you are talking about and consider all sides of the issue before spouting off thank you

      --
      Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on earth.
    5. Re:"I challenge you..." by skepticphilosopher · · Score: 1

      um uh last time i checked my microwave didnt have a computer..... neither does my grandmothers 1950's amana radar range hmmmmm oh by the way any car with a computer in it sucks!!!! (unless its a laptop in the back seat) ... radio no need for a computer there radios have only gotten smaller not better with transistor and circut technology, the marconi wireless could cross the atlantic and thats about as far as one needs. and i do also beleave that while some tv's use computer chips they are not necessary, besides whats worth watching on tv anyway? pc and n64 well they are just computers anyway, i would much rather have my privacy anyway. oh and quality of life... whats the quality of life for those who have no jobs or one which offers a paper hat instead of self respect because they lost thier jobs to a computer. in short if youre going to make an arguement know what you are talking about and consider all sides of the issue before spouting off thank you

      --
      Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on earth.
    6. Re:"I challenge you..." by Frank_D · · Score: 1

      All right... You all have spent so much time in front of an 18" screen, you can't see the big picture. 1) The term "Dark Ages" refers to the purported lack of administration, peace, law, and order that prevailed in the aftermath of the "fall" of the Roman Empire. Most modern historians now agree that a) the Germanic tribes were not really a destabilizing force; they just weren't as bureaucratically minded as the Romans; and b) the Roman Catholic Church was not the stultifying force it had been made out to be. Also, regarding life before and after the computers, does anybody know (or care) what happened to the people whose livelihoods depended on whales when light came from coal, enrgy from steam, and warm weather gear from out west? The answer is a resounding NO! However, computers are different in one important way from ALL other technologies (Television being the transitional exception): computers provide us with an illusion of involvement and community, but only an illusion. For example, I don't know whom I have addressed, or how many people "heard" me; and you all don't know anything at all about me except the contents of this message. Thanks for listening Frank D

  52. Re:Slashdot Prize by LL · · Score: 1

    Cplus wrote
    I think we should have a /. prize to reward the perosn with the highest karma rating.

    Highest? Not a good idea as it benefits the very early subscribers who've had longer time to post. Instead I suggest something like signal to noise ratio which is the number of posts per week that is above the baseline. Then perhaps sort by volume. This way you would reward people who consistently get 4-5 using a few pithy and to the point comments but without continuously responding just to get their posts noticed and their karma up. For your information, in studies of organisational efficiency, people have always found simple metrics to be rather self-defeating as people orient to the artificial goal instead of the organisational objectives. Defining metrics for measuring people is inherently a politicised process. E.g. would you say that having a high IPO is a good measure of success in Silicon Valley? If so, does this encourage people to overhype technology giving the entire industry a bad name in the long term?

    Oh well, he (or she) who defines the rules, gets the reward.

    LL

  53. Re:Where's computing? by LL · · Score: 2

    Chalst wrote
    No mathematics prize either, and I believe that subject existed then...

    The mathematical equivalent is the Fields Medal. The story is that Nobel had a bit of a ... ummm ... personal disagreement with a prominant mathematician of the day so deliberately left out mathematics to prevent his rival from gaining any kudos.

    As for other posters wanting something similar for computing, I would instead suggest that a computer language which is widely adopted and solves a significant class of problems would be a better choice. Afterwall, what is a language but a systematic way of ennunciating the concepts for a general problem domain? In this way, the greatest mark of respect for Perl and (to some extent) Python has been their rapid adoption by peer programmers. To paraphrase ESR, show them the code and reap the kudos.

    LL

  54. Can Theoretical Physics explain paranormal phenome by decowski · · Score: 3

    't Hooft has a little FAQ on 'Can Theoretical Physics explain paranormal phenomena?' find it at http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/para.html . also, check out his PostScript pictures, he even has one of a 'living black hole'!

    had two classes with this guy, so i am excited to finally see him get what he deserved a long time ago.

    patrick.

  55. Spelling by _Splat · · Score: 1

    I believe the spelling in Guenter Blobel.

    --
    -Splat
    1. Re:Spelling by j+a+w+a+d · · Score: 1

      From the page -- Günter Blobel.

      --
      i dont display scores, and my threshhold is -1. post accordingly.
      Discuss /. policies
  56. Re:Gunter Gras wins literature prize by Rombuu · · Score: 1

    No it wasn't.

    Some overzealous law enforcement official nabed a guy claiming the film was child porn. The case was thrown out of court. Plus the guy got damanges for being run through the system Thats a long way from OK banning the film.

    Granted, still pretty embarassing...

    --

    DrLunch.com The site that tells you what's for lunch!
  57. aww by davidw1 · · Score: 0

    What about Linus?

    1. Re:aww by ARColeslaw · · Score: 1

      Although Linus has obviously contributed immensly to the world of PCs, the person that has been able to surpass the "nerdy" stereotype of Linux operating systems is Mandrake. In my opinion, Mandrake will be more influential in the surge of domestic Linux users in the world due to the fact that average users can now install and run what was once a nightmare.

      --
      ...would you like coleslaw with that?
    2. Re:aww by Negadecimal · · Score: 1

      Do they even have a Nobel Prize for *anything* involving computers?

      Just the application of computers in other Nobel fields. If somebody uses Linux to bring about world peace, they might send Linus to Stockholm. :)

    3. Re:aww by Negadecimal · · Score: 1

      Wow... I sorta thought Norway played some role in it, but figured I was just confusing the two. Thanks for pointing that out!
      r

    4. Re:aww by ColinG · · Score: 1

      Before you mark me down as flamebait, think of the statement you just made.

      The vendor was doing his job; with this logic, you could also say Bill Gates should win the Nobel prize due to the fact "that average users can now install and run what was once a nightmare." Still is a nightmare, IMHO, but Linux isn't out of the woods yet.

      Anyway, Neither Linus nor Mandrake warrants the Nobel Peace Prize, that's not what it is there for, but if anything, Linus is the father and central developer/focal point of the Linux effort, obviously. Perhaps more fitting would be the founders of the open source movement. GNU Fathers, anyone?

      In any case, Nobel is more scientific theory affecting our interactions and undersanding of the world, not of computers.

      Computers are but a small part of life, my friends.

      (So there!)

      --
      You'll eat it and you'll like it.
    5. Re:aww by steelhawk · · Score: 1
      Uh... you didn't get that quite right, because if he'd get the Nobel Prize for peace he should actually be sent to Oslo...

      (See http://www.nobel.se/awarding/)

      --
      Ner lbh sebz gur HFN? Gura lbh'ir whfg ivbyngrq gur QZPN!
  58. Re:Nobel for Math "Error".... Naaaaaah by eriks · · Score: 1

    A + infinity = B + another infinity

    Therefore A = B.


    Yeah, but what about the fact that "infinity" might be "bigger" or "smaller" than the "other infinity" :-)

  59. Richard Feynman by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

    If he was still alive, I'm sure that Feynman would actually have made quite an interesting TV award recipient! :-) OTOH he'd probably have skipped the ceremony, and been reinventing physics at some topless bar, with Hooft & Veltman's work having been some unpublished margin notes next to his Feynman diagrams!

  60. Re:Bongo Artist Supreme by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

    Yes, I've read it. :-)

    There's a new Feynman book just out, based on transcripts of his own words: The Pleasure of Finding Things Out.

    As you say, one of the most fascinating, and also most brilliant minds of this century. If I was selecting a "great figures of history" dinner party, Feyman would definitely be at the head of the table!


  61. Bongo Artist Supreme by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 1

    Heck, he could have done a musical number on the bongos....heh.

    If you haven't read it, take a look at Genius by James Gleick. An excellent supplement to Feynman's own writings. He's truly one of the most fascinating folks of the 20th century.

    1. Re:Bongo Artist Supreme by fiziko · · Score: 1

      Other good books on Feynman are "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman" and "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" These are sort of autobiographical. Close friends compiled his anecdotes as accurately as possible. These books were also the basis of "Infinity", a surprisingly good movie starring and directed by Matthew Broderick.

      --
      - W. Blaine Dowler
      http://www.bureau42.com
  62. Re:Slashdot Prize by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 1

    The Slashdot Prize should be your nickname added in a derogatory fashion to the bottom of every poll. Heh.

  63. Nobel for Math "Error" by dierdorf · · Score: 2
    It's nice to see a Nobel prize awarded for something we all learned NOT to do in elementary school! d'Hooft used a mathematical trick called "renormalization" to allow the Standard Model -- QED (quantum electrodynamics, i.e. electrons) plus QCD (quantum chromodynamics, i.e., quarks) -- to produce the "correct" results instead of nonsense (infinite) answers. Unfortunately, renormalization consists of a somewhat more sophisticated version of the following equations:

    A/0 = B/0 {yes, that's dividing both sides by zero}

    Therefore A = B.

    Needless to say, this technique can, properly applied, solve ALL problems. Physicists are exceedingly unhappy about having to renormalize QED/QCD (which generated it's own set of Nobels for people like Feynman, Weinberg, Glashow, and Salam, among others) and it's widely felt this means the Standard Model is not the last word, even though it gives exquisitely accurate predictions that have been been subsequently borne out in the real world. Unfortunately, trying to apply the same techniques to a quantum theory of gravitation leads to infinities that cannot be renormalized (so far, anyway), so hopes of a TOE (theory of everything) are still nebulous. Nevertheless, a whole bunch of theoretical physicists are devoting their lives to that holy grail and its Nobel.

    --
    -- John Dierdorf, Austin TX
  64. Re:Where's MATH? : Why by Hobbex · · Score: 1

    funny, simple, and untrue.

    -
    /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.

  65. Should computing have a Nobel? by WillAffleck · · Score: 1

    Hmm. Personally, I think it should go to someone dealing with the science of networking, which has allowed the Net to keep on even with geometric increases in bandwidth, users, nodes, and loads. As opposed to those who make atomic-size miniature pianos.

    But I doubt it will happen. Some of those networking advances use some pretty hefty math.

    --
    Will in Seattle
  66. Re:Where's MATH? : Why by Betcour · · Score: 1

    There is a "funny" and simple explanation why there is not math Nobel prize : the wife of Nobel had an affair with a mathematician...

  67. Video from press conference by QuantumET · · Score: 2

    If anyone's interested, Caltech, the home of Professor Zewail, the chem winner, has a press release up as well as video from a press conference from earlier today.


    Of course, I'll have to insert a Go Caltech! here (so I hadn't even heard of the place when he did his research in the late 80's... I'm here now.)

  68. Re:Where's computing? by slayer_fan · · Score: 1

    You cannot build a computer wihtout using physics! Enough said!!!

  69. Re:Where's computing? by Chalst · · Score: 1

    No mathematics prize either, and I believe that subject existed then...

  70. Gunter Gras wins literature prize by Chalst · · Score: 2

    The film adaptation of his most famous novel `The Tin Drum' was outlawed in Oklahoma until last year as child pornography.

    Hope the legislators are embarassed...

    1. Re:Gunter Gras wins literature prize by melee · · Score: 1

      You assume, of course, that

      (1) they remember, and
      (2) they pay attention to who gets the Nobel Prize.

      I think (1 AND 2) is pretty unlikely.

  71. Re:It means we zap your racist brain with a laser by radja · · Score: 1

    You'd miss... it's an awfully small target..

    --

    No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
    --Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
  72. Classic case of RTFM by Lucius+Lucanius · · Score: 3

    To all the people asking why there is no nobel in math of comp. sci....there have been many people asking the same question about mechanical engineering, civil engineering, aeronautics, etc., for years. Keep in mind that the Nobel prizes were awarded more than 100 years ago, so these fields were very valuable and saved millions of lives many decades ago, and yet did not merit a Nobel.

    The answer is in the intent and purpose of the prize. Also, the nobel in Economics arrived recently, in the 1960s, and is titled

    "The Sveriges Riksbank (Bank of Sweden) Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel." It is in many ways different from the "original prizes".

    Check out the history for the answers, and as to why there is no Nobel in mathematics.

    http://www.lib.lsu.edu/sci/chem/guides/srs118_hi story.html

    L.


  73. Re:Where's computing? by ucblockhead · · Score: 2

    Well, I don't know about that. There are very few that I think would deserve a "Nobel Prize in Computing". Alan Turing. Claude Shannon. Uh....

    Most that happens in this field isn't Nobel calibre stuff. We are in an evolutionary, not revolutionary field.

    Anyway, certainly not Linus as Linux, though a revolution organizationally, is not particularly revolutionary technically. It is a very good OS, but at its root, it is merely a clone of something else. You don't get Nobels for copying someone else's work.

    I'm not trying to diss anyone here. Linux is a great thing, but what is great about it is the method with which it was created, not the OS itself.

    --
    The cake is a pie
  74. Re:That's exactly the point... by casret · · Score: 1

    Actually the 'whole point' of the Nobel prize was
    so that Nobel could be sure that when he died
    he would be known as more that the dude that invented dynamite.

    Just providing your daily dose of cynicism.

  75. Re:PRESS RELEASE FROM AIP ON NOBEL PRIZE by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE
    The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News
    Number 452 October 12, 1999 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein

    THE 1999 NOBEL PRIZE FOR PHYSICS goes to Gerardus 't
    Hooft of the University of Utrecht and Martinus Veltman, formerly
    of the University of Michigan and now retired, for their work
    toward deriving a unified framework for all the physical forces.
    Their efforts, part of a tradition going back to the nineteenth
    century, centers around the search for underlying similarities or
    symmetries among disparate phenomena, and the formulation of
    these relations in a complex but elegant mathematical language. A
    past example would be James Clerk Maxwell's demonstration that
    electricity and magnetism are two aspects of a single electro-
    magnetic force.
    Naturally this unification enterprise has met with various
    obstacles along the way. In this century quantum mechanics was
    combined with special relativity, resulting in quantum field theory.
    This theory successfully explained many phenomena, such as how
    particles could be created or annihilated or how unstable particles
    decay, but it also seemed to predict, nonsensically, that the
    likelihood for certain interactions could be infinitely large.
    Richard Feynman, along with Julian Schwinger and Sin-Itiro
    Tomonaga, tamed these infinities by redefining the mass and charge
    of the electron in a process called renormalization. Their theory,
    quantum electrodynamics (QED), is the most precise theory known,
    and it serves as a prototype for other gauge theories (theories which
    show how forces arise from underlying symmetries), such as the
    electroweak theory, which assimilates the electromagnetic and weak
    nuclear forces into a single model.
    But the electroweak model too was vulnerable to infinities and
    physicists were worried that the theory would be useless. Then 't
    Hooft and Veltman overcame the difficulty (and the anxiety)
    through a renormalization comparable to Feynman's. To draw out
    the distinctiveness of Veltman's and 't Hooft's work further, one
    can say that they succeeded in renormalizing a non-Abelian gauge
    theory, whereas Feynman had renormalized an Abelian gauge theory
    (quantum electrodynamics). What does this mean? A mathematical
    function (such as the quantum field representing a particle's
    whereabouts) is invariant under a transformation (such as a shift in
    the phase of the field) if it remains the same after the transformation.
    One can consider the effect of two such transformations, A and B.
    An Abelian theory is one in which the effect of applying A and then
    B is the same as applying B first and then A. A non-Abelian theory
    is one in which the order for applying A and B does make a
    difference. Getting the non-Abelian electroweak model to work was
    a formidable theoretical problem.
    An essential ingredient in this scheme was the existence of
    another particle, the Higgs boson (named for Peter Higgs), whose
    role (in a behind-the-scenes capacity) is to confer mass upon many
    of the known particles. For example, interactions between the Higgs
    boson and the various force-carrying particles result in the W and Z
    bosons (carriers of the weak force) being massive (with masses of
    80 and 91 GeV, respectively) but the photon (carrier of the
    electromagnetic force) remaining massless.
    With Veltman's and 't Hooft's theoretical machinery in hand,
    physicists could more reliably estimate the masses of the W and Z,
    as well as produce at least a crude guide as to the likely mass of the
    top quark. (Mass estimates for exotic particles are of billion-dollar
    importance if Congress, say, is trying to decide whether or not to
    build an accelerator designed to discover that particle.) Happily,
    the W, Z, and top quark were subsequently created and detected in
    high energy collision experiments, and the Higgs boson is now itself
    an important quarry at places like Fermilab's Tevatron and CERN's
    Large Hadron Collider, under construction in Geneva.
    (Recommended reading: 't Hooft, Scientific American, June
    1980, excellent article on gauge theories in general; Veltman,
    Scientific American, November 1986, Higgs bosons. More
    information is available at the Swedish Academy website:
    http://www.nobel.se/announcement-99/physics99.ht ml)

    THE 1999 NOBEL PRIZE IN CHEMISTRY goes to Ahmed H.
    Zewail of Caltech, for developing a technique that enables scientists
    to watch the extremely rapid middle stages of a chemical reaction.
    Relying on ultra-fast laser pulses, "femtosecond spectroscopy" can
    provide snapshots far faster than any camera--it can capture the
    motions of atoms within molecules in the time scale of
    femtoseconds (10^-15 s).
    An atom in a molecule typically performs a single vibration in
    just 10-100 femtoseconds, so this technique is fast enough to discern
    each and every step of any known chemical reaction. Shining pairs
    of femtosecond laser pulses on molecules (the first to initiate a
    reaction and the second to probe it) and studying what type of light
    they absorb yields information on the atoms' positions within the
    molecules at every step of a chemical reaction. With this technique,
    Zewail and his colleagues first studied (in the late 1980s) a 200-
    femtosecond disintegration of iodocyanide (ICN-->I+CN),
    observing the precise moment at which a chemical bond between
    iodine and carbon was about to break.
    Since then, femtochemistry has revealed a whole new class of
    intermediate chemical compounds that exist less than a trillionth of a
    second between the beginning and end of a reaction. It has also
    provided a way for controlling the courses of chemical reaction and
    developing desirable new materials for electronics. It has provided
    insights on the dissolving of liquids, corrosion and catalysis on
    surfaces (see Physics Today, October 1999, p. 19); and the
    molecular-level details of how chlorophyll molecules can efficiently
    convert sunlight into useable energy for plants during the process of
    photosynthesis. (Official announcement and further info at
    http://www.nobel.se/announcement-99/chemistry99. html; see also
    Scientific American, December 1990.)

  76. protein signals? by slithytove · · Score: 1

    wow, this is the first I've heard about this. Proteins have always struck me (who've never taken an organic chem class) as programs, hardware and software in one, possibly optical in nature- at least analog.
    Does anyone informed care to "illucidate"?

    1. Re:protein signals? by else...if · · Score: 1

      That's actually what intrigued me about biology (my field of interest switched from computing to biochemistry for just this reason). The intriguing thing about biomolecules is that they must encode their purpose based on the physical properties of the molecules.
      Biosignals, unlike their computing equivalents, are not arbitrary. Instead they tend to be particular sequences of water-attracting and water-repelling amino acids which make certain things easier. The interactions are not optical, or even analog. They are physical in nature, making them extremely versitile, but also very complicated.

  77. Re:Where's computing? by SadisticFury · · Score: 1

    Don't improve the human condition? How does the better understanding of electoweak forces benefit humanity? Why can't something profitable benefit humanity?

    Are you seriously telling me that life would be the same, or better, without computing?

    I challenge you to describe the world without computing.

    Peter Pawlowski

  78. Re:Where's computing? by SadisticFury · · Score: 1

    Nobel was a practical man. He himself devised dynamite. He wanted people to be rewarded for things that had direct application to the real world. As much as you might like mathematics, very rarely does it have a direct application to the real world, unless this application is done through Physics, Chemistry or Medicine(which get prizes). Computing is a very practical field. Its applications usually have a very direct and tangible usage. Therefore the field deserves a prize.

    Peter Pawlowski

  79. That's exactly the point... by SadisticFury · · Score: 1

    Nobel wanted fields that were practical. As you said, Math is the root. Physics, Chemistry, and Biology spring from Math. However, in itself, Math doesn't have an application, it is pure abstracts. The whole point of the Nobel prize is to award the best 'applicators'.

    Peter Pawlowski

  80. Linus? Why? by SadisticFury · · Score: 1

    If you're going to give a Nobel to Linus, as some are suggesting, you might as well give a Nobel to Gates and Jobs. Those people didn't do Nobel level stuff...

    As for your statement about computing being evolutionary, all Science is. You can't get Quarks without Atoms. You can't get Mitochondrea without cells. You can't multiplay before adding. All Science is evolutionary. However, I still believe that Computer Science is a field that deserves a stand-alone Nobel. Not much we can do about it, though.

    Peter Pawlowski

  81. Where's computing? by SadisticFury · · Score: 2

    Around one hundred years ago, or whenever Alfred Nobel gave all his money to the Nobel Foundation, the computer was not forseen. I propose a new addition to the array of prizes, a prize for computing. Some of the most influential advances in technology happen in or because of the field of computing. Shouldn't the people who spend their lives bettering the field, which very directly affects science, get a Nobel prize as well?

    I say yes.

    Guess who I'd nominate first?

    Peter Pawlowski

    1. Re:Where's computing? by Money__ · · Score: 1
      Re: your comments:Shouldn't the people who spend their lives bettering the field, which very directly affects science, get a Nobel prize as well? I say yes. Guess who I'd nominate first?

      a Nobel Prise for CS . . ummm lemme guess..

      could it be ummmm . .

      parhaps the legendary . .

      the open source revolutionary . .

      one and only . .

      the Jimmy Kimal to my Ben Stein. .

      the master of disaster . . .

      king o' crackers . .

      that freaky phreaker . .

      a real geeks geek . .

      the churnin hunk o' burnin' funk . .

      better than bevis. . .

      doper than dilbert . .

      the king of all coders . .

      the big man! . .

      Malda!?

      ummm yea, ok...he doesn't suck ;)

    2. Re:Where's computing? by else...if · · Score: 1

      The story about Nobel's dispute with a mathematician is exactly that-a story. Nobel didn't feel that math was practical enough.

    3. Re:Where's computing? by tad · · Score: 1

      In 1956, William Shockley, John Bardeen and Walter Houser Brattain won the Nobel Prize for Physics "for their researches on semiconductors and their discovery of the transistor effect". Are you all happy with that, after all anyone can build a computer but only a few could come up with the fundamental building blocks of one.

  82. Slashdot Prize by Cplus · · Score: 1

    I think we should have a /. prize to reward the perosn with the highest karma rating. The prize could be a licensed copy of linux (what?). We should also reward the person who gets the most first posts and says nothing with a good slap in the face.

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    1. Re:Slashdot Prize by Cplus · · Score: 1

      What, I'm not first, well at least I didn't say anything meaningful and as a bonus had a mispelling. Always preview boys and girls.........but I can't read..

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  83. Congrats to Zewail by smoondog · · Score: 1

    The femptosecond reaction work he has done is truely revolutionary. I'd like it to see some more features in a scientific american-ish view of the work of all the awardees. Does such a place exist?

    -- Moondog

  84. Re:Where's Richie? by Money__ · · Score: 1
    Re: your comments: I would instead suggest that a computer language which is widely adopted and solves a significant class of problems would be a better choice

    Then Dennis Richie is the obvious choice. He invented C and used C to invent UNIX

    nuff said?

  85. Re:Nobel for Math "Error".... Naaaaaah by foul · · Score: 1

    I've been sleeping a lot during Quantum Field Theory last year. But what I understood from their renormalization theory is that they ignored infinite components in the integrals since they were more or less fixed numbers.

    not:
    A/0 = B/0

    but:
    A + infinity = B + another infinity

    Therefore A = B.

    Just as tricky btw, but certainly not applicable to every other problem.

    Ivo

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  86. Truly News for Nerds by Denor · · Score: 3

    Ahh, the Nobel Prizes. Now this is an event worthy of seeing. Of course, since I can't attend in person, I won't be able to. It'd be nice if they were televised:

    Announcer: "And the Nobel for Physics goes to...."
    (Cut to shot of nervous hopefuls)
    Announcer: "Gerardus 't Hooft and Martinus Veltman, for elucidating the quantum structure of electroweak interactions in physics!"
    (The duo look surprised and go up to the stage to claim their prize. The audience cheers happily, though those who were not nominees have no idea what the announcer said)
    Veltman: "What can I say? This is indeed a proud moment for us both. We'd like to thank everyone in our lab for helping us. And our families, for supporting us morally."
    Hooft: "And Elvis."
    (Veltman just gives Hooft an odd look)
    Announcer: "And there you have it. Coming up next, the nobel prize for Chemistry! Right after this word from our sponsor...."

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  87. Computer programming-biology metaphor by aswang · · Score: 1
    I thought I'd reply 'cause I like these silly metaphors.

    I guess you could look at it this way:

    DNA is like source code RNA are like the object files proteins are the compiled binaries.

    You could think of these signals as--I guess--equivalent to magic numbers in UNIX?

    The hardware/software question is kind of hard to tackle with this analogy, though--it kind of breaks down. I guess in an everyday sense, they are hardware--they are physical entities that move around and sometimes have structural functions and they function by physically interacting with other substances. But I think it's more fruitful to make them analogous to objects, in an OOP sense.

    Apparently the idea of signal sequences has been around for about 20 years.

    1. Re:Computer programming-biology metaphor by aswang · · Score: 1
      Yeah, it is pretty simplified, but the Central Dogma isn't all the complicated, really--it was figuring it out that was a real bastard. What more do you need to know about the Central Dogma than DNA-->RNA-->protein? (OK, there's DNA replication and reverse transcriptase, but that's not much more)

      I don't know if it would really be that great if computers were just like life. When you consider it took about a billion years to get a basic cell, and another three billion to get the first multicellular organism--that's one hell of a wait for the next upgrade. Though I admit that we haven't made anything near the complexity of a single bacterium (but then again we haven't had a billion years!) Plus the cruft factor is incredible. The human genome is roughly 3 Gbp--but only about 120 Mbp actually codes for anything! The rest is evolutionary debris or just outright junk (except possibly for structural purposes, I guess) That would be kind of annoying, filling up a 3 GB hard drive, when all you really need is that 120 MB. Guess it's kind of like running Windows.

  88. It means we zap your racist brain with a laser to by Thats_Zena_with_a_Z · · Score: 1

    see how your two molecules would react.

  89. The Holographic Hypothesis by 't Hooft by SIGFPE · · Score: 1

    't Hooft is also known for the 'Holographic Hypothesis'. This is the bizarre sounding idea that in some way space is 2d rather than 3d and may in fact have a lot of resemblances to a 2d cellular automaton like Conway's Game of Life. Strangely this isn't idle speculation but seems to be built into General Relativity from the beginning. I have a few notes and references at my web site. The papers are a bit technical but the results are cool.

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  90. Ooops by JPMH · · Score: 1
    Ooops... the original mathematical demonstration of supersymmetry was Dimopolous, Fayet, Gol'fand and Lichtman, 1971; and the first mainstream supersymmetric particle model was Wess and Zumino, 1973.

    So, not 't Hooft... sorry.

  91. Renormalisation by JPMH · · Score: 2
    Unfortunately, renormalization consists of a somewhat more sophisticated version of the following equations:

    A/0 = B/0 {yes, that's dividing both sides by zero}

    Therefore A = B.

    Or rather, a + A/0 = b + B/0, so a=b (Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga, 1947).

    But you could ask whether this is really so much worse than A.0 = k B.0 (Newton, Leibniz c.1680).

    In both cases, once you have found the right way to show that the cancellations work for all finite values, the limit starts to look plausible (and you can start isolating just what situations would break it). 't Hooft gave the fundamental proof that all gauge theories genuinely are renormalisable (including the electroweak theory and QCD).

    The important thing about renormalisation is that the problem isn't with the interactions, it's that the set of basis functions that you're using to expand space are getting more and more nearly orthogonal to reality. That means you end up with something rather like a very very ill-conditioned matrix to invert. (If you like, this is the O^(-1) (B-A)). You don't have to expand in such a bad basis, though. 't Hooft was able to show that if certain symmetry properties hold then all the nasties cancel, whatever the basis expansion.

    So it probably isn't still true that all physicists are "exceedingly unhappy" about renormalisation; but a better sequence of basis functions for thinking about small-scale reality would certainly be nice.

    't Hooft also found a quite unexpected mathematical gauge symmetry between bosons and fermions, which probably deserves a Nobel prize by itself. We still don't know whether the laws of nature have this supersymmetry or not, but the idea has fascinated theoretical physicists for 25 years, and is built in to superstrings in their very foundations.

    A thoroughly worthy winner.

  92. Use the mirrors! by BobC · · Score: 3

    To avoid Slashdotting Sweden, the primary US mirror is http://nobel.sdsc.edu/announcement-99 , and the announcement is also mirrored at several SUNsites.