...As I said, the SIP server is probably Microsoft Meeting Server, which implements the open SIP or SIP over TLS protocol with a nice little undocumented NTLM authentication scheme.
No plans for the two Linux SIP over TLS clients (GAIM 2.0 and minisip) to support this scheme. So, in this case, GAIM won't do any good for this guy's job: he'll still need Windows Messenger (not MSN, which also doesn't have SIP), which doesn't run under wine or crossover office.
Microsoft uses their Meeting Server with the documented, open SIP or SIP over TLS protocol, right. But, according to their "extend and embrace" motto, they couldn't do different: to authenticate you use some undocumented variation of their NTLM protocol.
No, GAIM 2.0 won't support it. The other Linux IM Client that does SIP over TLS, minisip, doesn't support it - and doesn't plan to support.
In my job that is the solely reason I can't use Linux at my desktop.
Note: MSN does not do SIP over TLS either, it's Windows Messenger. Which doesn't even run under wine or crossover office.
Man, I think you didn't understand the insights of the post you replied to. You just repeated the same old and boring intellectual property justifications and it looks like you never stopped to see what he meant.
A barber who cuts your hair is performing a service and it needs to be paid for. That's correct and it looks to me that he never disagreed to that. But then again you are paying for his performance. No contradiction.
When you code something, you are performing and normally you will be paid for it. Really, it's not even logical to gain over your performance over and over again because after you code, your code is actually been performed by machines.
I am a professional coder myself but I won't try to neglect his arguments repeating something just because that makes me more comfortable. He has a point and you didn't even argue against him, you didn't touched his point. You just said 'no, it's not'.
You pick KDE. End of story. I'm a Gnome user myself, but let's face it, KDE is more similar to Win32.
It's not quite like that. This Newsforge article has more details: KDE looks more like windows, but does not behave like it. This confuses the users. Gnome, better yet, Ximian Gnome, being different, proved to be easier for the transition.
This was also said by a post above mine, but without the link.
I've used conectiva 2.0, 3.0 (for less than one week each version) and
WOW. That's REALLY up-to-date, isn't it?
C'mon, do you actually think you got any comparison parameters? Version 2.0 and 3.0 of Conectiva Linux were still called "Conectiva RedHat Linux". The current Conectiva Linux is VERY different from that, looks very much like Debian, and has many customizations of its own.
Having said that, using something like a Distribution for less than one week doesn't give you the feelings of its insides, also. No matter what these distribution analysis from http://www.linuxsomething.com make you think.
and I can say they're using Linux's name to earn money.
Oh, they're BAD! Linus should be processing them for using its brand-name Linux, alongside RedHat, Caldera, Slackware, SuSE,... (name your distro here). Or not?
Actually they where never professionals with their work and I don't like the way they "promote" linux here. For example, releasing Slackware in their magazine (linux magazine, or Revista do linux) saying that Slackware uses a real old packaging format and should be used only by power users.
Well, they aren't amateurs for sure. It's method of quality assurance is really efficient (btw, do you know what is it? have you ever checked?) and its final product is a very good one. Check http://distro.conectiva.com.br for details.
"Revista do Linux" is a magazine owned by Conectiva, but it doesn't express its views. All the Revista do Linux staff have independent opinion from Conectiva. They distribute many other distributions in the magazine CD. If some reviews seem to much conectiva-oriented, that is because Conectiva has a very strong legion of fans in Brazil, and that translates to such wide public acceptance. The market likes Conectiva Linux, it is a fact. So, many reviews rate it very positively. I rate it very positively, I am satisfied with it. Does they pay me to say that? Absolutely not, it's an opinion. You may not agree with me or with others, but you shouldn't say they have this opinion because they are paid for that. It's not a very sympathetic accusation.
Oh, BTW, I have almost the same opinion about slackware. I disagree because I think power users shouldn't use it:)
We all know that's not true. The same holds for Debian...
Conectiva did almost nothing to the community despite the almost-inexistent "open source mind" they brought to Brazil.
Almost nothing? Lemme see: synaptic; apt-rpm; MI (modular installer); ALL of them are GPL'ed. They have even started a brazilian GNU/Linux Magazine (as you pointed out) and have funded many open-source projects. Oh, and they have brought the 'open source mind' to Brazil, thanks for recalling;)
What should they do to be accepted in your^H^H^H^Hthe GNU/Linux community? Really, do you think what they accomplished is meaningless?
Even without conectiva, companies would use linux because they can afford people who knows. Instead of that, Conectiva has a weird, for idiots-like Examination and their not so well recognised "certification".
I've seen a "Certified Conectiva Professional" trying to make a syncronous frame-relay leased line work with pppd (just to mention, kppp). I think that's not the way. Maybe it's time to make a survey just to know how many of the people who paid R$ 88,00 (US$ 35, but it's know cheap here) for their black box are really using the software conectiva is credited to be the "owner" ("where can I find that software conectiva has created?" are common questions. - and THAT software hasn't a finger from conectiva)
Conectiva had a somewhat lame certification program, yes. But now you can't complain. Their current certification is really the LPI Certification. Yes, if you are Conectiva Certified now you are LPI Certified. It's the same thing now. Stop complaining.
About 'the software conectiva is credited to be the "owner"': I didn't see the point there. Could you please elaborate and give examples?
I know synaptic has been built to work with.debs also (it doesn't matter, it's just the apt database). I just don't know the gory details on how to configure it for that. Maybe it's a compile-time define or something like that.
Well, yes, it does. I use it for a while (been upgrading with apt) and it's great. In the installation process you choose which language to use (english, portuguese or spanish).
Wow. I couldn't believe when I read this post. How could such a wicked mind imagine all this?
1) Conectiva is known as a great... Red Hat copier. Even the bugs.
It was said here, and I'll repeat: Conectiva has long forked from RedHat, as any other distribution (maybe except Suse) which is RPM-based. Mandrake is known as an excellent distribution, and it began life as a simple recompilation of RedHat.
And, yes, they make their own packages, have their own installer, and lots of regionalization. If you think otherwise you haven't used Conectiva too much, what more could I say?
2) Their former distro (Conectiva 5) was a great failure, a buggy piece of code.
On what are you basing to say it was a great failure? Comercially, it was very successful, had the simples linux installation I have ever seen, and it proved itself to be very stable on my own tests.
3) They're trying to differentiate themselves from RH... maybe because people preferred to buy RH discs from
Cheapbytes rather than shelling out US$45,00 and buying their boxes.
You forgot to mention the taxes and mailing expenses, which made these CDs cost about US$10-15
when they get here. Conversely, I can buy Conectiva 6.0 CDs at LinuxMall BR for approximately US$10. So?
Also, on differentiation: Yep, they are innovating. Would you prefer they weren't?
4) They BOUGHT nearly all the Brazilian Linux community. The main news site in Brazil is run by a Conectiva
employee. All LUGs are unpaid PR departments of Conectiva. And so on. And the lonely ones trying to fight
against this Borgization (kudos to Bruno 'Buick' Collovini for denouncing this) are called nuts.
My god. As Obi-Wan Kenobi said, everything depends on your own point of view. Can't you see they are FUNDING Linux efforts in Brazil? So you got some way to make this look wrong. They are not BUYING anyone. Yeah, you're nuts.
In theory, porting APT to RPM is a great idea. But...
1) It was a bad work. Really. E.g., they made a so-much mess in/etc/apt/sources.list!
This file is simple, have you really look at it? Bah, I think you just like to say things are wrong, without really say anything.
2) It uses an old version of RPM. RH 7 uses RPM 4, they still use RPM 3.
They opted not to migrate yet. They have to make experiments before migrating, so let them take their time.
3) They don't touched the RPM problem: the confusion that is their database system.
Yes, they have. They have discussed it everywhere, proposed interactivity in RPMS (freshmeat article), talked about the problems in RPM.
APT is used by Conectiva as a update tool. Most Linux distros have now very good update tools (Mandrake Update
is great, RH up2date will be a great one also).
APT is not a update tool. APT is a organizing system, using the dpkg facilities to maintain the system healthy.
APT as a update tool is a sad move.
Maybe I am dumb, but I am not realizing the difference here. COuld you be a bit... no, a LOT clearer?
Not so nice, Slashdot trolls. Reality is ugly.
You are the one trolling.
(Note to Conectiva propaganda people: FODAM-SE!)
I do not see secret evil Conectiva propaganda agents here, but I answer for them: FODA-SE VOCÊ TAMBÉM. Hope this is polite enough and it will met your interests.
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Re:I (and many brazilians) don't like the idea.
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Although I think it is a duplicate effort (look at rpmfind), I like the idea.
If there are "many" brazilians who don't like this, it certainly isn't the majority of them. And where the heck do you saw conectiva staff saying they invented apt? This is nonsense.
Conectiva is GREAT. Frankly, I like it better than redhat. They are innovative and give back much to our community (they pay full-time hackers like Rik Van Riel and Alfredo Kojima, for example). And they also license everything they program with the GPL.
Conectiva is one reason why I am proud to be brazilian. Instead of imagining they are traitors of the movement, you should also be contributing, not making up rumors.
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Well, yes, I do have Conectiva 5.0 (actually
upgraded up to 5.1), *but* one of the first
things I did was to replace the open-source
flash player that comes with Conectiva with
Macromedia flash player.
I do think that it might be the lesstif stuff
that's hurting me. But I have not compiled
kde2 on my own computer, I have installed from
rpms.
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KDE 2 is GREAT, I've been testing it for a few
months. But does the "netscape plugins in konqueror" feature work yet? I can't get this damn thing to play flash movies - and I've got the real flash player from macromedia, and it works in Netscape.
Anyway, it's awesomely nice to have a beautiful
browser that doesn't crash as much as Netscape
or Mozilla. And that is lighter, too.
But I don't know why, some feelings inside me
make me still prefer Helix Gnome.
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First off, you've just contradicted yourself. Even assuming that you're "ain't ain't a word" statement is valid (which obviously it isn't,
I am no expert in the english language. I am not
even a native speaker. But I assume your use of
"you're" here is wrong. I suppose you should better
use the word "your".
Second, "ain't" is a word. It's a contraction for "am not" that was valid for a long damned time, and has fallen out of favor (and is often
thought invalid) because it was often used improperly. Hence, "I ain't going to put up with this." is a perfectly valid sentence, whereas
"You ain't got a damn clue." is not.
So, while he used "ain't" incorrectly, your assertion that it's not even a word is no more correct.
For reference, see the dictionary.com entry. (Go dictionary.com! Way to not suck!)
Ok, I liked your suggestion. So here it is what
dicionary.com says:
ain't (nt) Non-Standard
Am not.
Used also as a contraction for are not, is not, has not, and have not.
...is making things more complex than is necessary. Mark me off topic if you want, but I've seen this attitude a lot on slashdot and sometimes it's
valid, but often it's not. You don't have to know mechanics to drive a car. You don't have to understand physics to fly an airplane. And you don't
necessarily have to know how to program in order to use a computer
Geeks are - by concept - VERY, VERY afraid of that
creepy creature called 'the dumb user'. It makes Windows to become used by 94% of computer people, it makes excessively unpowered dumbed-down interfaces to appear, it lowers all standards. It is just like bad television: it happens when there is a lot of popular demand for it. Or would you call 'Survivors' a good program?
Of curse, there must be some balance. we can't expect everybody to use emacs. But still, we also can't put limits on power users.
following your analogy, I think it would be like that: Yes, you shouldn't learn mechanics to drive a car, but most people don't want to learn to drive and sometimes not even the transit law, they want the car to do just everything for them.
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What the hell.. you are reading American comics and complaining that they feature
American heroes/villains ?
This was only an example. No, I am not complaining
about comics featuring USian (HEY, Americans are
people from the *WHOLE* continent, not just US)
characters, but about the short-sighted vision
they induce: you have a global population of heroes, and for some weird reason 80% of them come from the United States. Isn't that... revolting?
There are another examples, if you must.
BTW. If it weren't for the available markets US companies would not sell anything
abroad. Obviously people want this cheap pop-culture and who are you to argue with
them ?
Obviously there are people who want Windows. Who am I to argue with them? You have to understand that sometimes people choose the worst option, either because they are uneducated (or manipulated) or conservationist. In this case, I think it is at least a good idea to educate them.
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Heh, "the US is where girls are uglier", huh?
What about U.S. girls of Brazilian descent? Or Venezuelan descent?
I don't know how good they would look like, and I just could not guess. But based on the people I've seen on the city streets, on buildings et cetera, I have concluded that. I don't know what makes women from that place more attractive than that other place, but I know, when I see them, which ones are most attractive.
Anyway, I think you should come to Brazil and...
er... taste it for yourself:P (really, I doubt you'll ever disagree when you come here)
Also, thanks for pointing out to me, that I am unaware of the street kids of Sao Paulo, or the bastard children of Bucharest, Romania.
That's just not what I've been talking about when I mentioned geography. It's not a matter of 'knowing about bastard children of Bucarest'. It's a matter of understanding the world aroung you, the geopolitics (which is one of the most prominent topics of geography), how are the social interactions made and so on.
To the rest of the world, it always look like the USians have a very short-sighted vision of the world, and it looks too that they think their country 'is' the world somehow. You can quickly perceive this reading informal culture, like comics, e.g., Marvel or DC, where 80% of the heroes and villains are from the U.S., like if the rest of the world were just... guests on earth, I guess.
I bet you would say 'Oh, but we KNOW that we are
not the world', but knowing is different from perceiving; your own culture lure you into subconsciouly thinking that, after that much pervasion -- a lie said a thousand times, for you, ceases to be a lie.
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No, I don't live in Africa. I live in South America.
But, anyway, even not ever been in Africa, I
have some stuff to say. People from some developed countries (mainly from the USA, where history and geography in schools aren't good -- e.g, they abandoned all marxist avalysis of history even it being the most enlightening analysis) do not have a clear picture of life in developing countries.
Most times, they don't bother thinking very much about i, really. They don't want to think about misery. And so, they generalize certain things and stick to the cartoonesque version on others: people living in huts in the top of trees, unplugged citizens, dirty stone streets and roads, low tech, and so on.
Ok, low money can lead to some of these things. But the problem with most developing nations is not simply the lack of money - but the distribution of it. In fact, countries like Brazil (my country) and the middle-eastern petroleum countries are rich or very rich. But they have large quantities of people who are starving or in bad economic situations.
When economy is a necessity, they have the need to stick to what is less expensive, like Linux. But it does not mean that we don't have technology. There are a lot of people from the middle- or higher classes which use computers.
In Brasil, we have at last a major Linux software company: Conectiva. It provides a very good redhat-based distribution and support for linux.
That said, I hope I don't find any more posts saying "FUD" (hehehe) about developing countries. Hey, we can live well here too!!! And you betcha, the girls here are a lot more beautiful than most of the countries I've been to (with the exception of Venezuela. And the US is where the girls are uglier!).
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1) You just imagine a hypothetical situation,
draw your conclusions about Mr. Stallman's
reaction and then want us to blame him about
this reaction YOU imagined.
2) You just conclude your license is better
than the GPL to draw your wicked rationale.
Better for whom? For you? Well, good luck
with your license, but if you want to merge
you code with a GPLed code, the author DID
NOT WANT YOU TO USE YOUR CODE ON A NON-GPLED
PROGRAM, so you can't still use your license.
That's the author condition. He decided to
do it. He decided to use the GPL. If you want
an exception, that's ok, write to him. But you
do want an exception for the entire sort of
GNU-protected programs just because you feel
your license is better? Then CONVINCE EVERYONE
ABOUT IT and they will be changing their
licenses. There's simply NO REASON TO GO AFTER
RMS FOR THAT.
My god, every time I see one of theses RMS-bashing
articles I think the man can be considered a
saint just for not getting mad at these
accusations.
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I had tried it a few times and it didn't work. Anyway, my Windows-compiled version didn't have TLS on it yet.
Gaim 2.0 isn't out yet. Did he use a CVS version?
Also, did this guy connect over SIP or SIP over TLS?
Trillian is not a Linux application, so I don't know whether it provides SIP over TLS connection support.
...As I said, the SIP server is probably Microsoft Meeting Server, which implements the open SIP or SIP over TLS protocol with a nice little undocumented NTLM authentication scheme.
No plans for the two Linux SIP over TLS clients (GAIM 2.0 and minisip) to support this scheme. So, in this case, GAIM won't do any good for this guy's job: he'll still need Windows Messenger (not MSN, which also doesn't have SIP), which doesn't run under wine or crossover office.
Microsoft uses their Meeting Server with the documented, open SIP or SIP over TLS protocol, right. But, according to their "extend and embrace" motto, they couldn't do different: to authenticate you use some undocumented variation of their NTLM protocol.
No, GAIM 2.0 won't support it. The other Linux IM Client that does SIP over TLS, minisip, doesn't support it - and doesn't plan to support.
In my job that is the solely reason I can't use Linux at my desktop.
Note: MSN does not do SIP over TLS either, it's Windows Messenger. Which doesn't even run under wine or crossover office.
Will they embed secret codes for personal tracking and identification in these printers too?
A barber who cuts your hair is performing a service and it needs to be paid for. That's correct and it looks to me that he never disagreed to that. But then again you are paying for his performance. No contradiction.
When you code something, you are performing and normally you will be paid for it. Really, it's not even logical to gain over your performance over and over again because after you code, your code is actually been performed by machines.
I am a professional coder myself but I won't try to neglect his arguments repeating something just because that makes me more comfortable. He has a point and you didn't even argue against him, you didn't touched his point. You just said 'no, it's not'.
Please read it again.
Using matches is old-fashioned. Use just that.
For Linus Torvalds, DRM is perfectly OK with Linux
Couldn't the Euro Union reject it and force Phoenix to sell DRMless BIOS? Just like they did with the pentium-II Machine ID.
It's not quite like that. This Newsforge article has more details: KDE looks more like windows, but does not behave like it. This confuses the users. Gnome, better yet, Ximian Gnome, being different, proved to be easier for the transition.
This was also said by a post above mine, but without the link.
WOW. That's REALLY up-to-date, isn't it?
C'mon, do you actually think you got any comparison parameters? Version 2.0 and 3.0 of Conectiva Linux were still called "Conectiva RedHat Linux". The current Conectiva Linux is VERY different from that, looks very much like Debian, and has many customizations of its own.
Having said that, using something like a Distribution for less than one week doesn't give you the feelings of its insides, also. No matter what these distribution analysis from http://www.linuxsomething.com make you think.
and I can say they're using Linux's name to earn money.
Oh, they're BAD! Linus should be processing them for using its brand-name Linux, alongside RedHat, Caldera, Slackware, SuSE, ... (name your distro here). Or not?
Actually they where never professionals with their work and I don't like the way they "promote" linux here. For example, releasing Slackware in their magazine (linux magazine, or Revista do linux) saying that Slackware uses a real old packaging format and should be used only by power users.
Well, they aren't amateurs for sure. It's method of quality assurance is really efficient (btw, do you know what is it? have you ever checked?) and its final product is a very good one. Check http://distro.conectiva.com.br for details.
"Revista do Linux" is a magazine owned by Conectiva, but it doesn't express its views. All the Revista do Linux staff have independent opinion from Conectiva. They distribute many other distributions in the magazine CD. If some reviews seem to much conectiva-oriented, that is because Conectiva has a very strong legion of fans in Brazil, and that translates to such wide public acceptance. The market likes Conectiva Linux, it is a fact. So, many reviews rate it very positively. I rate it very positively, I am satisfied with it. Does they pay me to say that? Absolutely not, it's an opinion. You may not agree with me or with others, but you shouldn't say they have this opinion because they are paid for that. It's not a very sympathetic accusation.
Oh, BTW, I have almost the same opinion about slackware. I disagree because I think power users shouldn't use it :)
We all know that's not true. The same holds for Debian...
Conectiva did almost nothing to the community despite the almost-inexistent "open source mind" they brought to Brazil.
Almost nothing? Lemme see: synaptic; apt-rpm; MI (modular installer); ALL of them are GPL'ed. They have even started a brazilian GNU/Linux Magazine (as you pointed out) and have funded many open-source projects. Oh, and they have brought the 'open source mind' to Brazil, thanks for recalling ;)
What should they do to be accepted in your^H^H^H^Hthe GNU/Linux community? Really, do you think what they accomplished is meaningless?
Even without conectiva, companies would use linux because they can afford people who knows. Instead of that, Conectiva has a weird, for idiots-like Examination and their not so well recognised "certification".
I've seen a "Certified Conectiva Professional" trying to make a syncronous frame-relay leased line work with pppd (just to mention, kppp). I think that's not the way. Maybe it's time to make a survey just to know how many of the people who paid R$ 88,00 (US$ 35, but it's know cheap here) for their black box are really using the software conectiva is credited to be the "owner" ("where can I find that software conectiva has created?" are common questions. - and THAT software hasn't a finger from conectiva)
Conectiva had a somewhat lame certification program, yes. But now you can't complain. Their current certification is really the LPI Certification. Yes, if you are Conectiva Certified now you are LPI Certified. It's the same thing now. Stop complaining.
About 'the software conectiva is credited to be the "owner"': I didn't see the point there. Could you please elaborate and give examples?
I know synaptic has been built to work with .debs also (it doesn't matter, it's just the apt database). I just don't know the gory details on how to configure it for that. Maybe it's a compile-time define or something like that.
Well, yes, it does. I use it for a while (been upgrading with apt) and it's great. In the installation process you choose which language to use (english, portuguese or spanish).
1) Conectiva is known as a great... Red Hat copier. Even the bugs.
It was said here, and I'll repeat: Conectiva has long forked from RedHat, as any other distribution (maybe except Suse) which is RPM-based. Mandrake is known as an excellent distribution, and it began life as a simple recompilation of RedHat.
And, yes, they make their own packages, have their own installer, and lots of regionalization. If you think otherwise you haven't used Conectiva too much, what more could I say?
2) Their former distro (Conectiva 5) was a great failure, a buggy piece of code.
On what are you basing to say it was a great failure? Comercially, it was very successful, had the simples linux installation I have ever seen, and it proved itself to be very stable on my own tests.
3) They're trying to differentiate themselves from RH... maybe because people preferred to buy RH discs from Cheapbytes rather than shelling out US$45,00 and buying their boxes.
You forgot to mention the taxes and mailing expenses, which made these CDs cost about US$10-15 when they get here. Conversely, I can buy Conectiva 6.0 CDs at LinuxMall BR for approximately US$10. So?
Also, on differentiation: Yep, they are innovating. Would you prefer they weren't?
4) They BOUGHT nearly all the Brazilian Linux community. The main news site in Brazil is run by a Conectiva employee. All LUGs are unpaid PR departments of Conectiva. And so on. And the lonely ones trying to fight against this Borgization (kudos to Bruno 'Buick' Collovini for denouncing this) are called nuts.
My god. As Obi-Wan Kenobi said, everything depends on your own point of view. Can't you see they are FUNDING Linux efforts in Brazil? So you got some way to make this look wrong. They are not BUYING anyone. Yeah, you're nuts.
In theory, porting APT to RPM is a great idea. But...
1) It was a bad work. Really. E.g., they made a so-much mess in /etc/apt/sources.list!
This file is simple, have you really look at it? Bah, I think you just like to say things are wrong, without really say anything.
2) It uses an old version of RPM. RH 7 uses RPM 4, they still use RPM 3.
They opted not to migrate yet. They have to make experiments before migrating, so let them take their time.
3) They don't touched the RPM problem: the confusion that is their database system.
Yes, they have. They have discussed it everywhere, proposed interactivity in RPMS (freshmeat article), talked about the problems in RPM.
APT is used by Conectiva as a update tool. Most Linux distros have now very good update tools (Mandrake Update is great, RH up2date will be a great one also).
APT is not a update tool. APT is a organizing system, using the dpkg facilities to maintain the system healthy.
APT as a update tool is a sad move.
Maybe I am dumb, but I am not realizing the difference here. COuld you be a bit... no, a LOT clearer?
Not so nice, Slashdot trolls. Reality is ugly.
You are the one trolling.
(Note to Conectiva propaganda people: FODAM-SE!)
I do not see secret evil Conectiva propaganda agents here, but I answer for them: FODA-SE VOCÊ TAMBÉM. Hope this is polite enough and it will met your interests.
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If there are "many" brazilians who don't like this, it certainly isn't the majority of them. And where the heck do you saw conectiva staff saying they invented apt? This is nonsense.
Conectiva is GREAT. Frankly, I like it better than redhat. They are innovative and give back much to our community (they pay full-time hackers like Rik Van Riel and Alfredo Kojima, for example). And they also license everything they program with the GPL.
Conectiva is one reason why I am proud to be brazilian. Instead of imagining they are traitors of the movement, you should also be contributing, not making up rumors.
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Maybe this could, once and for all, bring peace to the desktop wars and help people work on interoperabity between the two infamous unix desktops.
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I do think that it might be the lesstif stuff that's hurting me. But I have not compiled kde2 on my own computer, I have installed from rpms.
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Anyway, it's awesomely nice to have a beautiful browser that doesn't crash as much as Netscape or Mozilla. And that is lighter, too.
But I don't know why, some feelings inside me make me still prefer Helix Gnome.
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I am no expert in the english language. I am not even a native speaker. But I assume your use of "you're" here is wrong. I suppose you should better use the word "your".
Second, "ain't" is a word. It's a contraction for "am not" that was valid for a long damned time, and has fallen out of favor (and is often thought invalid) because it was often used improperly. Hence, "I ain't going to put up with this." is a perfectly valid sentence, whereas "You ain't got a damn clue." is not. So, while he used "ain't" incorrectly, your assertion that it's not even a word is no more correct. For reference, see the dictionary.com entry. (Go dictionary.com! Way to not suck!)
Ok, I liked your suggestion. So here it is what dicionary.com says:
ain't (nt) Non-Standard
Also, from www.dict.org:
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) : Ain't \Ain't\ A contraction for are not and am not; also used for is not. [Colloq. or illiterate speech]. See An't.
So, it looks like your particular definition of "ain't" as exclusively "am not" is wrong.
I think you are the one in contradition here.
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Geeks are - by concept - VERY, VERY afraid of that creepy creature called 'the dumb user'. It makes Windows to become used by 94% of computer people, it makes excessively unpowered dumbed-down interfaces to appear, it lowers all standards. It is just like bad television: it happens when there is a lot of popular demand for it. Or would you call 'Survivors' a good program?
Of curse, there must be some balance. we can't expect everybody to use emacs. But still, we also can't put limits on power users.
following your analogy, I think it would be like that: Yes, you shouldn't learn mechanics to drive a car, but most people don't want to learn to drive and sometimes not even the transit law, they want the car to do just everything for them.
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This was only an example. No, I am not complaining about comics featuring USian (HEY, Americans are people from the *WHOLE* continent, not just US) characters, but about the short-sighted vision they induce: you have a global population of heroes, and for some weird reason 80% of them come from the United States. Isn't that... revolting?
There are another examples, if you must.
BTW. If it weren't for the available markets US companies would not sell anything abroad. Obviously people want this cheap pop-culture and who are you to argue with them ?
Obviously there are people who want Windows. Who am I to argue with them? You have to understand that sometimes people choose the worst option, either because they are uneducated (or manipulated) or conservationist. In this case, I think it is at least a good idea to educate them.
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What about U.S. girls of Brazilian descent? Or Venezuelan descent?
I don't know how good they would look like, and I just could not guess. But based on the people I've seen on the city streets, on buildings et cetera, I have concluded that. I don't know what makes women from that place more attractive than that other place, but I know, when I see them, which ones are most attractive.
Anyway, I think you should come to Brazil and... er... taste it for yourself :P (really, I doubt you'll ever disagree when you come here)
Also, thanks for pointing out to me, that I am unaware of the street kids of Sao Paulo, or the bastard children of Bucharest, Romania.
That's just not what I've been talking about when I mentioned geography. It's not a matter of 'knowing about bastard children of Bucarest'. It's a matter of understanding the world aroung you, the geopolitics (which is one of the most prominent topics of geography), how are the social interactions made and so on.
To the rest of the world, it always look like the USians have a very short-sighted vision of the world, and it looks too that they think their country 'is' the world somehow. You can quickly perceive this reading informal culture, like comics, e.g., Marvel or DC, where 80% of the heroes and villains are from the U.S., like if the rest of the world were just... guests on earth, I guess.
I bet you would say 'Oh, but we KNOW that we are not the world', but knowing is different from perceiving; your own culture lure you into subconsciouly thinking that, after that much pervasion -- a lie said a thousand times, for you, ceases to be a lie.
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But, anyway, even not ever been in Africa, I have some stuff to say. People from some developed countries (mainly from the USA, where history and geography in schools aren't good -- e.g, they abandoned all marxist avalysis of history even it being the most enlightening analysis) do not have a clear picture of life in developing countries.
Most times, they don't bother thinking very much about i, really. They don't want to think about misery. And so, they generalize certain things and stick to the cartoonesque version on others: people living in huts in the top of trees, unplugged citizens, dirty stone streets and roads, low tech, and so on.
Ok, low money can lead to some of these things. But the problem with most developing nations is not simply the lack of money - but the distribution of it. In fact, countries like Brazil (my country) and the middle-eastern petroleum countries are rich or very rich. But they have large quantities of people who are starving or in bad economic situations.
When economy is a necessity, they have the need to stick to what is less expensive, like Linux. But it does not mean that we don't have technology. There are a lot of people from the middle- or higher classes which use computers.
In Brasil, we have at last a major Linux software company: Conectiva. It provides a very good redhat-based distribution and support for linux.
That said, I hope I don't find any more posts saying "FUD" (hehehe) about developing countries. Hey, we can live well here too!!! And you betcha, the girls here are a lot more beautiful than most of the countries I've been to (with the exception of Venezuela. And the US is where the girls are uglier!).
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2) You just conclude your license is better than the GPL to draw your wicked rationale. Better for whom? For you? Well, good luck with your license, but if you want to merge you code with a GPLed code, the author DID NOT WANT YOU TO USE YOUR CODE ON A NON-GPLED PROGRAM, so you can't still use your license. That's the author condition. He decided to do it. He decided to use the GPL. If you want an exception, that's ok, write to him. But you do want an exception for the entire sort of GNU-protected programs just because you feel your license is better? Then CONVINCE EVERYONE ABOUT IT and they will be changing their licenses. There's simply NO REASON TO GO AFTER RMS FOR THAT.
My god, every time I see one of theses RMS-bashing articles I think the man can be considered a saint just for not getting mad at these accusations.
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