You are probably not serious here but some else might not realize you were just kidding around.
Web servers are actually dead simple to make. Back when I was learning about network sockets (on my own free time) that was the first thing I made. Sure my web server wasn't very complex but at least it served web pages.
But there is no way a comp sci freshmen could ever create an html renderrer just for kicks.
Personally I feel this is the only way to go about it.
Linux is just the kernel.
GNU is just the compiler.
When people ask me what operating system(or I like to call it operating environment) I run I tell them that I run Debian. Of course there is Debian with various kernels and for different hardware architectures that aren't binary compatible, so sometimes I may say I run "Debian Woody Linux on i386" Of course i use GNU tools also but everyone knows that so adding it is superflous and just makes the name longer.
I fully support RedHat for trying to sell the qualities that make them unique among the Linux vendors.
I also like the open source work they have contributed. We use some of it in Debian. At school we use RedHat. It is pretty good. I only wish I had root access to make it better.:P
you aren't allowed to unecrypt (watch) dvd without an approved dvd player.
it has to be approved by the dvd consortium and not by the person who owns the copyright to the content.
because the dvd consortium owns your soul.
except in germany where it is perfectly legal to do watch your dvd's how ever you please. that's where the livid progect is hosted. (the project that uses decss to view movies under linux and started this whole mess).
You should have stuck with your initial beliefs. They were right and your lawyer friend was wrong.
In section 1 it says:
"You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."
This means that I can charge an arbitrary amount of money for the GPL program I downloaded.
Section 2b (not 2a) that you are refering to says:
"b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License."
The key word is "licensed." 2b does not describe the act of selling someone a program. It describes the charge for lisencing the program. It is simply another way of saying that the program MUST be GPL. You can sell the program but you MUST license the program under the GPL at no cost.
A theoretical situation where this might occur is if I say, "This program is released under the NPL license if you want the program released under the GPL send me $5." If I had included GPL code in the program that would be illegal.
>I agree, but Microsoft certainly isn't sitting idle. I've been working with Windows 2000 since february at home and I have yet to cause it to fail in any way.
Don't blame yourself when computers fail. Blame the computer. I hate this attitude that "users cause computer failure."
"users cause email viruses." ".doc viruses" "users open too many applications at once overloading the system" "users buy hardware with faulty drivers." "users deserve to be hacked if they don't change the default password."
No no no. In each of these cases it's a software problem and the software company needs to be cursed at.
Last week Linux froze on me. I didn't say, "I must be a poor computer user for this to happen." I said, "Crap. I think this is my stupid !@#$@$# alsa driver. Or perhaps it was xmms running as root (for real time) that froze my system."
It's time for users to start putting the blame where it belongs.
Yeah. Of course every one is going to be angry. Right now I just want to break something.
If you've been following the story then you'll recognise the name of Matt Pavlovich. He has been a major character in actually developing a working DVD player for Linux. Other people who posted decss could theoretically been doing it so that people could copy CD's (whether illegally or not). But you don't develop a DVD player for the purpose of copying CD's. The fact that they are trying to sue him is more news worthy then the fact that they are lying !@#$%@ !@#$!@#$ @#$@#$.
Also the fact that they are trying to say that the internet makes all geographical bounderies obsolete in court cases is just stupid enough to make sense to some federal judge who used to be on their pay roll.
"The advocates of ``open source software'' tried to make it a trademark, saying this would enable them to prevent misuse. The attempt went awry when the application was allowed to lapse in 1999; thus, the legal status of ``open source'' is the same as that of ``free software'': there is no legal constraint on using it. "
Mac people always go on about how important a consistent desktop is. And really Mac does have an elegant and consistent desktop. But judging from where I work that has about nothing to do with corporate acceptance.
I work at a grocery in my home town in northern Minnesota. We use all NT machines. But our main data base program is a DOS program written in pascal. Our time clock program is part graphical and partly DOS based. We use Microsoft access to generate daily sales figures. We have a VASDN line for email etc. We have a satellite dish for credit cards. About three times a day someone has to use a DOS based program that uses a modem to call Georgia (or somewhere down there). Needless to say you rarely get a quality connection to the place.
None of the programs have the same password conventions. In some capitalizing the name matters. In some capitalizing the password matters. Some allow an underscore. In one you can only use a id number instead of a user name. Also that one only allows numbers for passwords.
Each of these programs has it's own special personality. In MS Access at a couple points you have to press the "ok" button and then press "enter" before you can continue. Yesterday I tried to run our time clock program but since someone was already logged on it crashed and we had to phone up the company to to access the data the program lost. There is nothing really positive to say about the main DOS based database program. It's older than the hills and it shows. The use of f-keys is not often consistent. It's simply not a joy to use.
Then you have two types of handhelds and the cash registers. Neither of these are especially "consistent." Apparently, it may not be too hard to reprogram the handhelds so I shouldn't complain. But they'll never be very, "newbie friendly."
But today I learned how to strap a handheld to a phone so that it could order new price tags from Minneapolis. So I guess that makes it all worth it in the end.
I have already seen a ton of posts about how only "stupid" admins don't change default passwords. And last time when it was piranha I saw the same thing.
But the truth is default passwords ARE a problem. Red Hat didn't have a default password on purpose. The guy who was supposed to check it came forward on slashdot and admitted that he had made a mistake. Default passwords are a "bug."
I see posts talking about how different pieces of software have shipped with default passwords for N+1 years. But really that doesn't prove anything except that we have grown accustomed to bugs. It's like, I was in a house where the roof had leaked for 10 years. The owners just put a bucket to catch the water when it rains. After a while you don't notice the bugs. But it's still a problem.
What's worse is how stupid a bug this is. I bet it took a Red Hat programmer less than half an hour to set up and RPM that asked the user for a password on install.
The "blame the user" attitude pisses me off. Computers are made for users not the Users designed for computers. There is no reason why reading email should destroy your system. There is no reason why trying to read a.doc should erase half your harddrive. Clicking an icon is another thing that shouldn't make your computer unbootable. At some point you have to take a stand and say, "Maybe not everything should run with root permisions. Maybe we shouldn't execute arbitrary commands. Maybe it wasn't the users fault at all. Maybe we should fix our bugs."
>You can charge $ for the program (although you must provide source) unlike the GPL (cannot charge for the actual code, only related services)
With the GPL you may charge for the program. After you give them the program though you have to offer to give them the source for no charge besides the cost of materials, shiping and handling.
From the GPL:
"You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."
" b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange;"
The right to sell software is a very important one. This is what made the old version of mySQL non-free (now mySQL is GPL).
I don't think the nvidia graphics card that indrema is going to use has been released yet. And since it isn't going to be the same driver that we use in X then it's a bit tricky to use the Tom's Hardware review.
Also I agree with Carmack that it's not really important that the drivers are a little bit slow. In a couple years we'll all be using different graphics cards with different drivers.
Instead it would be good to focus on speeding up Mesa because people will still be using that for a long time. Mesa is not the fastest implementation of OpenGL around. The guys who wrote it were not interested in playing games but in using it for modelling and educational stuff. Personally, I think education is good in it's place but computers should be used for what they do well: 3d games.
Slashdot had an article a long time ago about SGI creating a Linux version of OpenGL and releasing it under the X license. But I haven't heard anything about that since. That should kick arse.:)
"The IESDK, composed completely of open source tools, will be freely
available to anyone who cares to download it, though use of the package
isn't mandatory to program for the Indrema. Gildred explained that
developers are free to use whatever tools they choose. Those already
comfortable with some common API's found in many desktop Linux games
will have little trouble adapting to coding for the Indrema, which takes
advantage of OpenGL and OpenAL, among others. In addition, Indrema is
currently working on OpenStream Video, a technology Gildred describes as
"pioneering," which it will release under an open source license. "
Indrema does have a couple things that won't be open source, like Extrema their xserver. And of course the games that people write for it.
I have known that AOL was based on a Linux based internet appliance for a while. But I didn't know they would be using Transmeta chips.
I really am happy about AOL Linux. Despite what anyone (myself included) says about AOL technically and price wise, they do have a reputation for being really easy to use.
A bunch of the comments I've read reflect an attitude that having AOL involved with Linux will somehow spoil it. Or that AOL is not good enough for Linux. I don't see it that way. It used to be that installing and using Linux was a kind of right of passage and if you did it it meant you knew something about computers. But these days it's fairly trivial to install something like Corel Linux. Pre-installed AOL is only just one small step easier. Sure with gamera you'll have AOL users who think they are l33t now that they run Linux. But if that worries you then you have self confidence issues you need to deal with on your own.
I like the idea of AOL linux too because at work I see people all day who think they hate computers but really they hate Microsoft. I do try to keep a balanced view in this but I've become convinced that NT _does_ crash too much. You can blame it on the hardware companies making inferior drivers or whatever but in the end Windows crashes and Linux doesn't. Also I find that many windows programs suffer from user interface problems and bugs. For example at work today I used a program where I had to press a button "daily report." But pressing it down doesn't do anything by it's self you also have to press enter or change the size of the window before the menu will appear. There are tons of things like this in every application I use at work. In Linux they would get fixed. If no one else fixed them I would fix them.
The other reason I AOL Linux is because I hope to get a Linux job after graduation. The more Linux users there are the more likely it is I'll find a Linux job. Call me biased, but programming in Linux is just a lot more fun.
from http://linuxtoday.com/stories/296.html:
"On somewhat of a tangent, there is continuing work to support a subset of the Linux kernel on 8086, 8088, 80186, and 80286 machines. This project will never integrate itself with Linux-proper but will provide an alternative Linux-subset operating system for these machines. "
I think that aswell as being a 16 bit chip another problem to porting linux to the 8088 was the memory. Was it that the 8088 didn't support protected memory? I forget.
You are right that this guy almost certainly has never never tried Linux on an 8088 but it's not imposible.
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You are probably not serious here but some else might not realize you were just kidding around.
Web servers are actually dead simple to make. Back when I was learning about network sockets (on my own free time) that was the first thing I made. Sure my web server wasn't very complex but at least it served web pages.
But there is no way a comp sci freshmen could ever create an html renderrer just for kicks.
It's funny to watch the yahoo guys try to find some way of saying that this must suck in some way.
Obviously they haven't read the GPL because it really doesn't suck at all.
In fact it's one of the greater pieces of literature of the 80's.
Some day in elementary school kids will have to memorize the GPL. And they'll have huge picture of RMS on the walls.
:P
Personally I feel this is the only way to go about it.
:P
Linux is just the kernel.
GNU is just the compiler.
When people ask me what operating system(or I like to call it operating environment) I run I tell them that I run Debian. Of course there is Debian with various kernels and for different hardware architectures that aren't binary compatible, so sometimes I may say I run "Debian Woody Linux on i386" Of course i use GNU tools also but everyone knows that so adding it is superflous and just makes the name longer.
I fully support RedHat for trying to sell the qualities that make them unique among the Linux vendors.
I also like the open source work they have contributed. We use some of it in Debian. At school we use RedHat. It is pretty good. I only wish I had root access to make it better.
you aren't allowed to unecrypt (watch) dvd without an approved dvd player.
it has to be approved by the dvd consortium and not by the person who owns the copyright to the content.
because the dvd consortium owns your soul.
except in germany where it is perfectly legal to do watch your dvd's how ever you please. that's where the livid progect is hosted. (the project that uses decss to view movies under linux and started this whole mess).
linuxvideo.org
$2bil seems like an enormously large amount of money. Which makes me wonder sometimes if the good folks at microsoft are on crack.
I assume they'll spend 500 mil on advertising since that's what they spent on advertising windows 98.
A lot of money will be spent on subsidising the boxes since they said they would do that.
Some of the money goes to pay programmers to make the OS boot faster and to create the windowing system.
But really how expensive should it be to create a gaming box out of off the shelf hardware. The only hardware they really have to design is the case.
The rest of the money goes to pay people to create games? I thought that game manufactures had to pay MicroSoft.
If I had 2 billion dollars...
Enlightenment plus Gnome was a bad matching up. Gnome tries to be half a window manager and Enlightenment is a whole window manager.
But if you ask me they should have gone the other way and ditched Gnome and keep Enlightenment.
I wouldn't care except they just installed Red Hat on a bunch of the computers at school.
Yeah, before the white doctor came with his strange religeon everyone was peaceful athiests.
stupid.
This is an fairly obvious troll. A significant part of the population of SA is of Dutch descent.
Hou jou bek... flipping chorb muncher.
windows users have been asking for huge icons?
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Before and after DMCA?
Instead this why the lawsuit is in California instead of someplace else?
Perhaps I should look some of this stuff up. But instead I'll let people cuss at me if I'm wrong.
You should have stuck with your initial beliefs. They were right and your lawyer friend was wrong.
In section 1 it says:
"You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."
This means that I can charge an arbitrary amount of money for the GPL program I downloaded.
Section 2b (not 2a) that you are refering to says:
"b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License."
The key word is "licensed." 2b does not describe the act of selling someone a program. It describes the charge for lisencing the program. It is simply another way of saying that the program MUST be GPL. You can sell the program but you MUST license the program under the GPL at no cost.
A theoretical situation where this might occur is if I say, "This program is released under the NPL license if you want the program released under the GPL send me $5." If I had included GPL code in the program that would be illegal.
>I agree, but Microsoft certainly isn't sitting idle. I've been working with Windows 2000 since february at home and I have yet to cause it to fail in any way.
Don't blame yourself when computers fail. Blame the computer. I hate this attitude that "users cause computer failure."
"users cause email viruses." ".doc viruses" "users open too many applications at once overloading the system" "users buy hardware with faulty drivers." "users deserve to be hacked if they don't change the default password."
No no no. In each of these cases it's a software problem and the software company needs to be cursed at.
Last week Linux froze on me. I didn't say, "I must be a poor computer user for this to happen." I said, "Crap. I think this is my stupid !@#$@$# alsa driver. Or perhaps it was xmms running as root (for real time) that froze my system."
It's time for users to start putting the blame where it belongs.
Yeah. Of course every one is going to be angry. Right now I just want to break something.
If you've been following the story then you'll recognise the name of Matt Pavlovich. He has been a major character in actually developing a working DVD player for Linux. Other people who posted decss could theoretically been doing it so that people could copy CD's (whether illegally or not). But you don't develop a DVD player for the purpose of copying CD's. The fact that they are trying to sue him is more news worthy then the fact that they are lying !@#$%@ !@#$!@#$ @#$@#$.
Also the fact that they are trying to say that the internet makes all geographical bounderies obsolete in court cases is just stupid enough to make sense to some federal judge who used to be on their pay roll.
Open Source _used_ to be a trade mark but it isn't any more.
- freedom.html:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for
"The advocates of ``open source software'' tried to make it a trademark, saying this would enable them to prevent misuse. The attempt went awry when the application was allowed to lapse in 1999; thus, the legal status of ``open source'' is the same as that of ``free software'': there is no legal constraint on using it. "
Mac people always go on about how important a consistent desktop is. And really Mac does have an elegant and consistent desktop. But judging from where I work that has about nothing to do with corporate acceptance.
I work at a grocery in my home town in northern Minnesota. We use all NT machines. But our main data base program is a DOS program written in pascal. Our time clock program is part graphical and partly DOS based. We use Microsoft access to generate daily sales figures. We have a VASDN line for email etc. We have a satellite dish for credit cards. About three times a day someone has to use a DOS based program that uses a modem to call Georgia (or somewhere down there). Needless to say you rarely get a quality connection to the place.
None of the programs have the same password conventions. In some capitalizing the name matters. In some capitalizing the password matters. Some allow an underscore. In one you can only use a id number instead of a user name. Also that one only allows numbers for passwords.
Each of these programs has it's own special personality. In MS Access at a couple points you have to press the "ok" button and then press "enter" before you can continue. Yesterday I tried to run our time clock program but since someone was already logged on it crashed and we had to phone up the company to to access the data the program lost. There is nothing really positive to say about the main DOS based database program. It's older than the hills and it shows. The use of f-keys is not often consistent. It's simply not a joy to use.
Then you have two types of handhelds and the cash registers. Neither of these are especially "consistent." Apparently, it may not be too hard to reprogram the handhelds so I shouldn't complain. But they'll never be very, "newbie friendly."
But today I learned how to strap a handheld to a phone so that it could order new price tags from Minneapolis. So I guess that makes it all worth it in the end.
It may be illegal in the US. That remains to be seen. But in Germany it is legal.
I have already seen a ton of posts about how only "stupid" admins don't change default passwords. And last time when it was piranha I saw the same thing.
.doc should erase half your harddrive. Clicking an icon is another thing that shouldn't make your computer unbootable. At some point you have to take a stand and say, "Maybe not everything should run with root permisions. Maybe we shouldn't execute arbitrary commands. Maybe it wasn't the users fault at all. Maybe we should fix our bugs."
But the truth is default passwords ARE a problem. Red Hat didn't have a default password on purpose. The guy who was supposed to check it came forward on slashdot and admitted that he had made a mistake. Default passwords are a "bug."
I see posts talking about how different pieces of software have shipped with default passwords for N+1 years. But really that doesn't prove anything except that we have grown accustomed to bugs. It's like, I was in a house where the roof had leaked for 10 years. The owners just put a bucket to catch the water when it rains. After a while you don't notice the bugs. But it's still a problem.
What's worse is how stupid a bug this is. I bet it took a Red Hat programmer less than half an hour to set up and RPM that asked the user for a password on install.
The "blame the user" attitude pisses me off. Computers are made for users not the Users designed for computers. There is no reason why reading email should destroy your system. There is no reason why trying to read a
>You can charge $ for the program (although you must provide source) unlike the GPL (cannot charge for the actual code, only related services)
With the GPL you may charge for the program. After you give them the program though you have to offer to give them the source for no charge besides the cost of materials, shiping and handling.
From the GPL:
"You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."
" b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange;"
The right to sell software is a very important one. This is what made the old version of mySQL non-free (now mySQL is GPL).
I don't think the nvidia graphics card that indrema is going to use has been released yet. And since it isn't going to be the same driver that we use in X then it's a bit tricky to use the Tom's Hardware review.
:)
Also I agree with Carmack that it's not really important that the drivers are a little bit slow. In a couple years we'll all be using different graphics cards with different drivers.
Instead it would be good to focus on speeding up Mesa because people will still be using that for a long time. Mesa is not the fastest implementation of OpenGL around. The guys who wrote it were not interested in playing games but in using it for modelling and educational stuff. Personally, I think education is good in it's place but computers should be used for what they do well: 3d games.
Slashdot had an article a long time ago about SGI creating a Linux version of OpenGL and releasing it under the X license. But I haven't heard anything about that since. That should kick arse.
"They have to give the OS and any kernel patches away, sure, but don't expect to see libraries and documentation for free."
from http://alllinuxdevices.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=20 00-08-15-013-03-PS-LF-GM :
"The IESDK, composed completely of open source tools, will be freely available to anyone who cares to download it, though use of the package isn't mandatory to program for the Indrema. Gildred explained that developers are free to use whatever tools they choose. Those already comfortable with some common API's found in many desktop Linux games will have little trouble adapting to coding for the Indrema, which takes advantage of OpenGL and OpenAL, among others. In addition, Indrema is currently working on OpenStream Video, a technology Gildred describes as "pioneering," which it will release under an open source license. "
Indrema does have a couple things that won't be open source, like Extrema their xserver. And of course the games that people write for it.
>As Indrema will have an open system, developers will not have to pay them anything to produce software for it.
They will have to unless they plan to release it under a free beer/speech license.
According to John Carmack, linux drivers are almost never as fast as their windows counter parts.
But for a console all you need is just one really awesome driver and you're set. In this case it would be an nvidia driver of some sort.
Also aren't most "linux" graphics card drivers actually XFree86 specific? Indrema doesn't use XFree, so that may make a difference too.
They have a proprietary server called extrema that uses a subset of X and is designed for TV screens.
I have known that AOL was based on a Linux based internet appliance for a while. But I didn't know they would be using Transmeta chips.
I really am happy about AOL Linux. Despite what anyone (myself included) says about AOL technically and price wise, they do have a reputation for being really easy to use.
A bunch of the comments I've read reflect an attitude that having AOL involved with Linux will somehow spoil it. Or that AOL is not good enough for Linux. I don't see it that way. It used to be that installing and using Linux was a kind of right of passage and if you did it it meant you knew something about computers. But these days it's fairly trivial to install something like Corel Linux. Pre-installed AOL is only just one small step easier. Sure with gamera you'll have AOL users who think they are l33t now that they run Linux. But if that worries you then you have self confidence issues you need to deal with on your own.
I like the idea of AOL linux too because at work I see people all day who think they hate computers but really they hate Microsoft. I do try to keep a balanced view in this but I've become convinced that NT _does_ crash too much. You can blame it on the hardware companies making inferior drivers or whatever but in the end Windows crashes and Linux doesn't. Also I find that many windows programs suffer from user interface problems and bugs. For example at work today I used a program where I had to press a button "daily report." But pressing it down doesn't do anything by it's self you also have to press enter or change the size of the window before the menu will appear. There are tons of things like this in every application I use at work. In Linux they would get fixed. If no one else fixed them I would fix them.
The other reason I AOL Linux is because I hope to get a Linux job after graduation. The more Linux users there are the more likely it is I'll find a Linux job. Call me biased, but programming in Linux is just a lot more fun.
from http://linuxtoday.com/stories/296.html:
"On somewhat of a tangent, there is continuing work to support a subset of the Linux kernel on 8086, 8088, 80186, and 80286 machines. This project will never integrate itself with Linux-proper but will provide an alternative Linux-subset operating system for these machines. "
I think that aswell as being a 16 bit chip another problem to porting linux to the 8088 was the memory. Was it that the 8088 didn't support protected memory? I forget.
You are right that this guy almost certainly has never never tried Linux on an 8088 but it's not imposible.