That is what we call a 'straw-man' argument. You are not pissing them off by existing.
You are pissing them off by killing and torturing them.
Fine, I'll be the one to point this out...
The first WTC bombing was in 1993... 3 years after the first Gulf War started. Y'know, the war where Iraq was kicked out of Kuwait.
The bomber there wasn't Iraqi. Wasn't Iranian, nor Saudi, nor Syrian.
Ramzi Yousef was born in Kuwait... the place we liberated from Iraq. True, his origins were Pakistani, but there's no loyalty there, either; he would've been the one to kill Bhutto instead of Al Qaeda. Only the cops saved her that time. By your logic, the Japanese were killing and torturing his peers as well, 'cause in 1994 he took out a Japanese businessman...all in a "test" run for his next plot.
Terrorists/extremists of any ilk are so convinced of their moral "superiority" that they feel compelled to rearrange the world to suit them and their beliefs. They'll use any excuse as long as they get what they want.
"They killed us first!" is NOT a reason to CONTINUE the violence between rival sects/ideologies/creeds... it's just an excuse, and a pretty bad one at that. Just ask the Hatfields and McCoys.
A self-deterministic AI will have to be programmed too at least enough to achieve the ability to develop sentience. Program it to want to survive and take over the world and "Kill All Humans" as Bender would say and it will.
Let me rephrase that:
When given a problem to solve, what happens if it determines that humans are the issue?
Let's take that further. It's going to be a LOT cheaper to bring an AI [assuming a computing cluster, Beowulf if it floats your boat!] to the world, than the world to the AI. Hence, these things will EVENTUALLY have some sort of mobility. Go past that to a future where we trust most of life's basic needs to machines, even more than we do now. I'm not saying that there'd be a robot uprising... but when you give a robot a problem to solve that basically resolves to "human problems", what will it do?
Creators must make money somehow, or else most of them won't have a strong incentive to create, and culture will suffer.
First contrary example that came to mind was the Blues...
I'd always considered music something that most musicians [note, I didn't use the term artists...] use to express themselves. Heck, the fact that the word "music" comes from "Muse" would learn more toward expression than money-lending.
That music companies consider music a "product" is irrelevant. It can be, but IMHO, its primary role is that of expression.
A computer that can solve problems using methods similar to ours will improve itself and reach scientific breakthroughs at a rate far faster than we can understand them.
...So what happens when it determines that the biggest problem with this planet is the ugly bags of mostly water...?
During trading hours the part that of their quote page that currently says "after hours" says "real-time" which is "indicating otherwise" when it comes to the disclaimer on the bottom.
Well, it's trading time, the markets close in about 4 hours, and let's check the same place. Better yet, let's pull up a quote for Dell.... Gee, what's Yahoo say right under the quote?
Quotes delayed, except where indicated otherwise. For consolidated real-time quotes (incl. pre/post market data), sign up for a free trial of Real-time Quotes.
How about the bottom of the page?
Quotes are delayed at least 15 minutes. Real-Time continuous streaming quotes are available through our premium service.
Hmmmmm.... Thought you said that didn't happen during trading hours...
They state clearly, once again, at the bottom of said page:
Historical chart data and daily updates provided by Commodity Systems, Inc. (CSI). International historical chart data and daily updates provided by Hemscott Americas. Fundamental company data provided by Capital IQ. Quotes and other information supplied by independent providers identified on the Yahoo! Finance partner page. Quotes are updated automatically, but will be turned off after 25 minutes of inactivity. Quote data delayed 15 minutes for Nasdaq, 20 minutes for NYSE and Amex. Real-Time continuous streaming quotes are available through our premium service.
Unless you think they're yanking our chain, that's the disclaimer as of 3 minutes ago. Seems pretty clear, doesn't it? In addition, according to the page you gave us on the Yahoo quotes:
The data comes via a deal with BATS Trading, an independent exchange. While its information doesn't exactly dovetail with the quotes other bigger exchanges would provide for individual stocks, BATS is said to be pretty close.
Just because they stop streaming after 25 minutes doesn't mean they aren't providing free real-time quotes.
Guess you missed the end part where Yahoo said:
Quote data delayed 15 minutes for Nasdaq, 20 minutes for NYSE and Amex. Real-Time continuous streaming quotes are available through our premium service.
...that doesn't strike me as free and real-time.
not just talking about yahoo, although they provided them years ago but were forced to discontinue them a few years ago.
Are you sure? Read the fine print at the bottom of the Yahoo finance page next time:
Quotes are updated automatically, but will be turned off after 25 minutes of inactivity. Quote data delayed 15 minutes for Nasdaq, 20 minutes for NYSE and Amex. Real-Time continuous streaming quotes are available through our premium service.
iPhones are extremely secure against attack, and most definitely via remote.
I'm not betting money on that. The fact that the iPhone will connect to any network with the same SSID as the users doesn't seem to be what I'd call secure...
Sorry, I should have been more specific - I was referring to End Users, not businesses. I know businesses have no reluctance to use or pay for support.
Usually not, but we've got a family that brings in at least one PC every six months. They've got around 6 computers at home, and regardless of sound advice and software suggestions, manage to ruin a perfectly working rig within a year, easily. Malware and viruses of every sort; they LOVE clicking the purple monkey for the $5 coupon good at Spatula City.
They're not the only ones. A former client of mine managed to hit darn near every hostile adult dating link she could in a 4-month time. Had to give that one up... FAR too high-maintenance. {Calls at midnight for buying a printer right THEN for a production the next day, etc...}
Even in the Windows world these users exist, and I assure you they don't call Microsoft for support (too cheap for that), so why would they call (Insert OSS Company Here> for support? Why wouldn't they just visit Google and punch in " broken"?
We install, among other things, point-of-sale systems. I can assure you that our food-service clients have NO desire to google ANYthing in the middle of a lunch/dinner rush. There are other examples, but they basically boil down to this: They have limited time to spend on the problem; they need to focus on their business.
I've never understood the "sell support services" geniuses, because the only way to ensure people need your support services is to sell a buggy product.
...Guess you've never met the "any key" users...
Yes, they still exist, and those're the folks that'll ALWAYS need hand-holding...
Second, it'd appear you and I might have a different view of what "hardware services" means... Could you please fill us in on your definition of the same?
If your sales/marketing department can't find a way to sell something that's free, then you're in trouble...
We do quite a number of Ubuntu installs per month. If I wanted, I could substitute gNewSense and the users wouldn't really notice the difference in most cases.
We get paid for these installs, too. It supports my family quite nicely... so try pulling someone else's leg...
And with permission, I'd like to use your distribution to create my own. It might even be a live CD, a first of this type:
Financial software for the back-end of a bank. Not just any bank, h'wever. I've decided that the "wildebeast" niche hasn't been addressed, and have tailored this new distro for it. Yes, a banking software for large water-buffalo-type animals.
...and if you've not guessed by now....
Yes, it's called GNUcents.
Thanks! I'll be here all week... Don't forget to tip the waitstaff, and be sure to try the fish!
As a US military brat, I've got to agree. US chocolate is the pits. Luckily, the local supermarket now carries the Milka brand I got hooked on when I was in Germany...
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Fine, I'll be the one to point this out...
The first WTC bombing was in 1993... 3 years after the first Gulf War started. Y'know, the war where Iraq was kicked out of Kuwait.
The bomber there wasn't Iraqi. Wasn't Iranian, nor Saudi, nor Syrian.
Ramzi Yousef was born in Kuwait... the place we liberated from Iraq. True, his origins were Pakistani, but there's no loyalty there, either; he would've been the one to kill Bhutto instead of Al Qaeda. Only the cops saved her that time. By your logic, the Japanese were killing and torturing his peers as well, 'cause in 1994 he took out a Japanese businessman ...all in a "test" run for his next plot.
Terrorists/extremists of any ilk are so convinced of their moral "superiority" that they feel compelled to rearrange the world to suit them and their beliefs. They'll use any excuse as long as they get what they want.
"They killed us first!" is NOT a reason to CONTINUE the violence between rival sects/ideologies/creeds... it's just an excuse, and a pretty bad one at that. Just ask the Hatfields and McCoys.
Strawman indeed...
Let me rephrase that:
When given a problem to solve, what happens if it determines that humans are the issue?
Let's take that further. It's going to be a LOT cheaper to bring an AI [assuming a computing cluster, Beowulf if it floats your boat!] to the world, than the world to the AI. Hence, these things will EVENTUALLY have some sort of mobility. Go past that to a future where we trust most of life's basic needs to machines, even more than we do now. I'm not saying that there'd be a robot uprising... but when you give a robot a problem to solve that basically resolves to "human problems", what will it do?
First contrary example that came to mind was the Blues...
I'd always considered music something that most musicians [note, I didn't use the term artists...] use to express themselves. Heck, the fact that the word "music" comes from "Muse" would learn more toward expression than money-lending.
That music companies consider music a "product" is irrelevant. It can be, but IMHO, its primary role is that of expression.
Hey, if you're going to use Mock Swedish, at LEAST include the "börk! börk! börk!"!!!
...but if he bought/was compensated with those when Yahoo was at its high, getting $31 for a $100 stock would hurt... even WITH lube.
...but it still used a method of scanning...
and you could only forward a document to the next telegraph station,...and considering line quality in those days, I'm amazed they were able to make it THAT far...
and only as long as it had a pantelegraph.Moot point. Can you directly send a fax to someone without a fax machine or fax/modem?
The first hard drives may have very little resemblance to those of today, but they're still hard drives...
...So what happens when it determines that the biggest problem with this planet is the ugly bags of mostly water...?
I stand corrected on the real-time! Just double-checked, and thanks for the input!
Glad to admit I was wrong... Jus' wish they'd update the REST of their page.
Well, it's trading time, the markets close in about 4 hours, and let's check the same place. Better yet, let's pull up a quote for Dell.... Gee, what's Yahoo say right under the quote?
Quotes delayed, except where indicated otherwise. For consolidated real-time quotes (incl. pre/post market data), sign up for a free trial of Real-time Quotes.How about the bottom of the page?
Quotes are delayed at least 15 minutes. Real-Time continuous streaming quotes are available through our premium service.Hmmmmm.... Thought you said that didn't happen during trading hours...
Are you reading the bottom of the same http://finance.yahoo.com/ page that the rest of us get?
They state clearly, once again, at the bottom of said page:
Historical chart data and daily updates provided by Commodity Systems, Inc. (CSI). International historical chart data and daily updates provided by Hemscott Americas. Fundamental company data provided by Capital IQ. Quotes and other information supplied by independent providers identified on the Yahoo! Finance partner page. Quotes are updated automatically, but will be turned off after 25 minutes of inactivity. Quote data delayed 15 minutes for Nasdaq, 20 minutes for NYSE and Amex. Real-Time continuous streaming quotes are available through our premium service.Unless you think they're yanking our chain, that's the disclaimer as of 3 minutes ago. Seems pretty clear, doesn't it? In addition, according to the page you gave us on the Yahoo quotes:
The data comes via a deal with BATS Trading, an independent exchange. While its information doesn't exactly dovetail with the quotes other bigger exchanges would provide for individual stocks, BATS is said to be pretty close.Pretty close? Good way to lose your shirt....
Guess you missed the end part where Yahoo said:
Quote data delayed 15 minutes for Nasdaq, 20 minutes for NYSE and Amex. Real-Time continuous streaming quotes are available through our premium service....that doesn't strike me as free and real-time.
not just talking about yahoo, although they provided them years ago but were forced to discontinue them a few years ago."Forced" by whom, and how?
Are you sure? Read the fine print at the bottom of the Yahoo finance page next time:
Quotes are updated automatically, but will be turned off after 25 minutes of inactivity. Quote data delayed 15 minutes for Nasdaq, 20 minutes for NYSE and Amex. Real-Time continuous streaming quotes are available through our premium service.I'm not betting money on that. The fact that the iPhone will connect to any network with the same SSID as the users doesn't seem to be what I'd call secure...
Anyone else have thoughts on this?
Usually not, but we've got a family that brings in at least one PC every six months. They've got around 6 computers at home, and regardless of sound advice and software suggestions, manage to ruin a perfectly working rig within a year, easily. Malware and viruses of every sort; they LOVE clicking the purple monkey for the $5 coupon good at Spatula City.
They're not the only ones. A former client of mine managed to hit darn near every hostile adult dating link she could in a 4-month time. Had to give that one up... FAR too high-maintenance. {Calls at midnight for buying a printer right THEN for a production the next day, etc...}
We install, among other things, point-of-sale systems. I can assure you that our food-service clients have NO desire to google ANYthing in the middle of a lunch/dinner rush. There are other examples, but they basically boil down to this: They have limited time to spend on the problem; they need to focus on their business.
In short, they just need it to work...right THEN.
...Guess you've never met the "any key" users...
Yes, they still exist, and those're the folks that'll ALWAYS need hand-holding...
First, thanks for the kind thoughts.
Second, it'd appear you and I might have a different view of what "hardware services" means... Could you please fill us in on your definition of the same?
I get the same reaction when Air Force One passes overhead here, too!
If your sales/marketing department can't find a way to sell something that's free, then you're in trouble...
We do quite a number of Ubuntu installs per month. If I wanted, I could substitute gNewSense and the users wouldn't really notice the difference in most cases.
We get paid for these installs, too. It supports my family quite nicely... so try pulling someone else's leg...
And with permission, I'd like to use your distribution to create my own. It might even be a live CD, a first of this type:
Financial software for the back-end of a bank. Not just any bank, h'wever. I've decided that the "wildebeast" niche hasn't been addressed, and have tailored this new distro for it. Yes, a banking software for large water-buffalo-type animals.
...and if you've not guessed by now....
Yes, it's called GNUcents.
Thanks! I'll be here all week... Don't forget to tip the waitstaff, and be sure to try the fish!
Rephrased properly:
Free and Open Source, because all coders should have the option to live as they choose...
So, how just long have you worked at Comcast...?
Revision3 taken down by curious Slashdotters, and the popcorn you're eating has been pissed in. Film at 11....
Sure there is... and it's at Craigslist, of all places...
As a US military brat, I've got to agree. US chocolate is the pits. Luckily, the local supermarket now carries the Milka brand I got hooked on when I was in Germany...