Eh, I don't know if I'd go quite that far. Police can track you in public, but this thing could track you on private land (maybe your own - esp if you're a farmer or rancher).
If they have a warrant, what's the diff? Seems cheaper and better to me. When someone is legitimately suspected of committing a crime, a warrant is able to provide for phone tapping, search of premises, etc.
Ok, if the reasons you outlined are truly WHY we're shutting this program down, I agree with you. However, I think something should be said for good PR. Regardless of the reason why, this looks bad.
Now, there is a certain tactical advantage to disinformation, but I think it's important that the citizenry understand that there is some concerted effort being put into this area. Citizens at large are not aware of the potential threat but the citizens on/. are. Bringing to light a new initiative on cyber defense, putting the proper PR in place, reaching out to the "geek community" are all good things; but to follow it up with a loud slam and a presumed kick in the ass of the people who started this is a bad move.
Because this action can be easily interpreted as a lack of understanding, that's how I'm interpreting it. I am unaware of anyone preparing our "cyber defense". Yeah, the NSA is out there, but they're the shadow folks - there should be a group you can point to and say "these are the people preparing our cyber defenses". I think a new branch of service is a very interesting idea - might address the boot camp concerns of a few people on here for service, and enable better quality recruiting.
(This is all with the caveat that it should be done fairly quietly in non geek circles (if possible), because Joe six-pack won't really understand and will think it's a waste of money - until his cable TV, streetlights, bank accounts stop working, that is)
I hope we're being smart, and judging by all the funding going into cyber-security, I think we are. The Russians and Chinese are just broadcasting their moves and strategies on the tiny conflicts, whereas we're being smart and holding our cards very close to our chest (at least that's what I'm hopeful we're doing).
Kind of reminds me somewhat of Soviet submarines back when sub warfare was fairly new. Soviet subs were very noisy and the US subs could hear them from miles away. The Russians didn't care - they don't make engineering masterpieces, they make machines that are tough and work well.
We monitored their movements freely and knew where practically every sub was. I think we're kind of in the same era in cyberwarfare (of course I'm engaging in conjuncture here). I'd hope the NSA is looking at all of these techniques Russia is using and planning around them - so USA engineering can win again. Of course eventually the Russians wised up and started making subs as quiet as ours, but it took them a while.
(God help us if we get into another cold war, but it might happen)
Putin clearly wanted (or wants) something of Bush. How fortunate that they should both be at the same place (Olympics) at the same time just as Russia invades.
Georgia is a pawn - for what, us ordinary folks will only learn for sure, later on
Amazing that the myth of Nostradamus still hangs on even after the ONE specific date he mentioned was incorrect:
The year 1999, seven months
from the sky will come a great King of Terror.
He will bring back to life the great king of the Mongols.
Before and after war reigns happily.
No, they can't ruin her for the rest of her life. IANAL, but I'm pretty sure the only thing you can recover in a wrongful death civil court case is money.
Yeah, you can sue OJ and "ruin his life" because you can take 99% of his net worth - he's a gagillionaire. But you cannot do the same thing to you and me. In civil court cases, the judge will allow for the defeated party to have a reasonable wage, drive a car and live in their house. For someone of average means, there is not much more to take than this. So ultimately, the parents would have nothing to take, but would've spent the time and heartache on a court case.
I know about the restrictions on civil case collections because I put the time and effort into constructing and winning a civil theft case against someone, only to have them file "an affidavit of poverty", which basically means they do not have the means to repay and the claimant (me) is screwed.
Anyway, my point is that this is a criminal case. Civil doesn't work unless you're suing a person with assets - and somehow I doubt a person taking the time to screw with a teenager online has much in the way of money.
There should be nothing that compels this case to be brought up under ANY modern legislation pertaining computers. Computers and social networking were the means of the harassment... this does not mean there are any new concepts here.
Harassment and emotional abuse can be performed in person or over the Internet, and I've got to imagine that charges for wanton malicious actions against a minor will have much stiffer penalties than a simple ToS violation.
I don't mean to be too jaded here, but it doesn't much sense to me to be bringing an uncertain case against someone with a new law, unless the prosecuting attorney is seeking a landmark decision to put on a resume.
Certainly there must be a better choice than a new law when the actions of one lead another (esp. a minor) to suicide?
Cry me a river... capitalism is the least worst system there is. If you don't like it and want to be guaranteed a job for life, go to the USSR. Oh, wait...
Ok, I've never understood this. I'm sure someone smart out there has the answer.
Say you have a pair of entangled atoms, photons, whatever - and you move one of them across the universe (assuming you could keep the entangled state) and you flip the bit on the one back home. According to what I understand about entanglement, the particle on the opposite side of the universe immediately flips as well. Doesn't this violate the basic rule that the speed of light is the speed limit for the universe?
Also, you need not move the entangled whatever across the universe; even if you moved it five feet away and it "instantly" flipped, this would still violate the laws of physics.
The journalists were dumb, but I think the Dutch Foreign Minister is being way too sensitive. Such an incident is FUNNY, especially concerning all of the serious issues a visit to Israel would entail.
sometimes mod points are misused in ideological arguments
SOMETIMES? I'm afraid I must disagree with that. I think, depending on the argument it is *guaranteed* to happen.
I think the best solution would be to create a kind of "web" (or insert your favorite buzzword) of interconnected people. When an article pops up, you only see the responses of your friends, or your friends and highly rated comments (unless you make them your foe), or your friends and a random listing of new posters. It would all be your choice. If you're a new user, you get random posts, until you choose enough people that you've got your own little "web".
I think this would allow for intelligent discussion among people you actually want to hear from. If you're intelligent, maybe (gasp!) you're friends with people that don't share your view, but would still like to hear your perspective.
This would allow the isolationist asshats to isolate themselves in their little group-think cliques and allow those who wish to share perspective to congregate together as well.
My question is: why have I never seen THIS kind of comment system?
Slashdot Mirror
They'll passafist past yo' face!
Porn has been made, now my DVD player is ruined... RUINED!!
I'd imagine the ultimate goal would be to filter the people out of the images entirely.
LOL. Seriously, LOL
Who's "they"? I was referring to the bit about the Washington State Supreme Court requiring it.
though the Washington State Supreme Court has ruled that a warrant is required.
Eh, I don't know if I'd go quite that far. Police can track you in public, but this thing could track you on private land (maybe your own - esp if you're a farmer or rancher).
This is ok, but with a warrant, IMHO.
If they have a warrant, what's the diff? Seems cheaper and better to me. When someone is legitimately suspected of committing a crime, a warrant is able to provide for phone tapping, search of premises, etc.
Ok, if the reasons you outlined are truly WHY we're shutting this program down, I agree with you. However, I think something should be said for good PR. Regardless of the reason why, this looks bad.
/. are. Bringing to light a new initiative on cyber defense, putting the proper PR in place, reaching out to the "geek community" are all good things; but to follow it up with a loud slam and a presumed kick in the ass of the people who started this is a bad move.
Now, there is a certain tactical advantage to disinformation, but I think it's important that the citizenry understand that there is some concerted effort being put into this area. Citizens at large are not aware of the potential threat but the citizens on
Because this action can be easily interpreted as a lack of understanding, that's how I'm interpreting it. I am unaware of anyone preparing our "cyber defense". Yeah, the NSA is out there, but they're the shadow folks - there should be a group you can point to and say "these are the people preparing our cyber defenses". I think a new branch of service is a very interesting idea - might address the boot camp concerns of a few people on here for service, and enable better quality recruiting.
(This is all with the caveat that it should be done fairly quietly in non geek circles (if possible), because Joe six-pack won't really understand and will think it's a waste of money - until his cable TV, streetlights, bank accounts stop working, that is)
Very well put; sharp political insight rarely seen on /.
Some old fuck that doesn't understand tech probably got wind of the idea and shut it down because he doesn't understand it.
So much for optimism in this arena.
I hope we're being smart, and judging by all the funding going into cyber-security, I think we are. The Russians and Chinese are just broadcasting their moves and strategies on the tiny conflicts, whereas we're being smart and holding our cards very close to our chest (at least that's what I'm hopeful we're doing).
Kind of reminds me somewhat of Soviet submarines back when sub warfare was fairly new. Soviet subs were very noisy and the US subs could hear them from miles away. The Russians didn't care - they don't make engineering masterpieces, they make machines that are tough and work well.
We monitored their movements freely and knew where practically every sub was. I think we're kind of in the same era in cyberwarfare (of course I'm engaging in conjuncture here). I'd hope the NSA is looking at all of these techniques Russia is using and planning around them - so USA engineering can win again. Of course eventually the Russians wised up and started making subs as quiet as ours, but it took them a while.
(God help us if we get into another cold war, but it might happen)
I think the military really understands how big a threat cyber attacks are/will be. Thank Jebus.
Why is the tagged with Star Trek? I don't recall any time ST used an invisibility cloak.
Should be tagged with Harry Potter.
Someone care to illuminate me on an episode I may have missed? I'd shutter if that was even possible - I don't think it is.
Putin clearly wanted (or wants) something of Bush. How fortunate that they should both be at the same place (Olympics) at the same time just as Russia invades.
Georgia is a pawn - for what, us ordinary folks will only learn for sure, later on
Can someone send back a beacon with the location of the white hole we'll be spit out of, please? Oh, and don't forget to shutdown Phoenix too.
Amazing that the myth of Nostradamus still hangs on even after the ONE specific date he mentioned was incorrect:
The year 1999, seven months
from the sky will come a great King of Terror.
He will bring back to life the great king of the Mongols.
Before and after war reigns happily.
source:http://www.nostradamusquatrains.com/Century10/Quatrain72.htm
I didn't see any King of Terror drop from the sky in July '99... maybe I missed it?
SWEET! I've been wondering about that for YEARS! Just read the first few experiments... I think I'm going to kill about 3 hours now! Thanks!
No, they can't ruin her for the rest of her life. IANAL, but I'm pretty sure the only thing you can recover in a wrongful death civil court case is money.
Yeah, you can sue OJ and "ruin his life" because you can take 99% of his net worth - he's a gagillionaire. But you cannot do the same thing to you and me. In civil court cases, the judge will allow for the defeated party to have a reasonable wage, drive a car and live in their house. For someone of average means, there is not much more to take than this. So ultimately, the parents would have nothing to take, but would've spent the time and heartache on a court case.
I know about the restrictions on civil case collections because I put the time and effort into constructing and winning a civil theft case against someone, only to have them file "an affidavit of poverty", which basically means they do not have the means to repay and the claimant (me) is screwed.
Anyway, my point is that this is a criminal case. Civil doesn't work unless you're suing a person with assets - and somehow I doubt a person taking the time to screw with a teenager online has much in the way of money.
Yeah, because it's obvious YOU aren't subject to any youth oriented angst. /sarcasm
There should be nothing that compels this case to be brought up under ANY modern legislation pertaining computers. Computers and social networking were the means of the harassment... this does not mean there are any new concepts here.
Harassment and emotional abuse can be performed in person or over the Internet, and I've got to imagine that charges for wanton malicious actions against a minor will have much stiffer penalties than a simple ToS violation.
I don't mean to be too jaded here, but it doesn't much sense to me to be bringing an uncertain case against someone with a new law, unless the prosecuting attorney is seeking a landmark decision to put on a resume.
Certainly there must be a better choice than a new law when the actions of one lead another (esp. a minor) to suicide?
Cry me a river... capitalism is the least worst system there is. If you don't like it and want to be guaranteed a job for life, go to the USSR. Oh, wait...
Ok, I've never understood this. I'm sure someone smart out there has the answer.
Say you have a pair of entangled atoms, photons, whatever - and you move one of them across the universe (assuming you could keep the entangled state) and you flip the bit on the one back home. According to what I understand about entanglement, the particle on the opposite side of the universe immediately flips as well. Doesn't this violate the basic rule that the speed of light is the speed limit for the universe?
Also, you need not move the entangled whatever across the universe; even if you moved it five feet away and it "instantly" flipped, this would still violate the laws of physics.
I'm sure I'm missing something here - what is it?
The journalists were dumb, but I think the Dutch Foreign Minister is being way too sensitive. Such an incident is FUNNY, especially concerning all of the serious issues a visit to Israel would entail.
sometimes mod points are misused in ideological arguments
SOMETIMES? I'm afraid I must disagree with that. I think, depending on the argument it is *guaranteed* to happen.
I think the best solution would be to create a kind of "web" (or insert your favorite buzzword) of interconnected people. When an article pops up, you only see the responses of your friends, or your friends and highly rated comments (unless you make them your foe), or your friends and a random listing of new posters. It would all be your choice. If you're a new user, you get random posts, until you choose enough people that you've got your own little "web".
I think this would allow for intelligent discussion among people you actually want to hear from. If you're intelligent, maybe (gasp!) you're friends with people that don't share your view, but would still like to hear your perspective.
This would allow the isolationist asshats to isolate themselves in their little group-think cliques and allow those who wish to share perspective to congregate together as well.
My question is: why have I never seen THIS kind of comment system?