Perhaps you don't realize this but the first Internet started out the exact same way. Controlled by Universities and the government. I kind of doubt even with the introduction of Internet 2 all the companies that control the current Internet are just going to go away, especially if the general population can't access Internet 2 like the article says!
So relax, your vote still works, Bush, as annoying as he is, is not a dictator, and the FBI already has Carnivore watching you anyway so encrypt your emails, at least make them work for it;-)
And most likely in the future Internet 2 will be integrated into the current Internet.
At risk of sounding like flamebait... since when? Everytime I've tried Safari or Konquerer they both were really fast but still kind of sucked on rendering. Javascript support is incomplete too, so still tons of sites with valid code that don't show up properly.
Its Gecko based browsers for me. Firefox availiable for OSX, Windows and Linux:)
Myth1: BS. I'm a competent computer user. It took me nearly 6 hours the last time I did an XP system. Installing Windows usually goes something like this:
1. Put in Disk 2. Reboot 3. Format Harddrive 4. Reboot 5. License and file copy 6. Reboot 7. settings 8. Reboot 9. Install drivers you have from disks 10. Reboot (Reboot multiple times if you're a n00b since every driver tells you it has to reboot to work correctly!) 11. Go to windows update to install patches (pray you don't get 0wn3d just by getting on the net) 12. Monkey around with Windows update (This patch can't be installed with the other ones... etc... etc.) 13. Get some patches... reboot 14. Go back to windows update... get some more... reboot. 15. Install Virus protection/ spyware protection 16. Reboot 17. Install Office 18. reboot 19. install office updates 20. reboot
Ad nausium until you finally get all your apps installed!
This is a common misconception. Actually the law in most states says that if you work more than 40 hours you are to receive overtime, wheither you are on salary or not. Work time is the time that you have to be at work, salary or not.
Now your employer may ask you to work extra hours, and you may agree to that. But even if you are salary you have rights, including owning the ideas you came up with in the shower.
The solution to this problem is to carefully read contracts you sign when you are employed, have them checked by an attorney if they aren't clear (as was mentioned above) and don't sign anything you don't really agree to. Most employers are pretty agreeable about this sort of thing, and if they aren't then you probably don't want to work for them anyway.
Search one of the big job sites for 'Perl' you'll find lots of jobs offering quite a bit of money for the skill. Not $135,000 true but there are several that make $80 - 90k (depending on the market) which would certainly cost the company paying them 120k+ when you factor in benefits, insurance, payroll taxes etc. etc.
Not exactly. Open ocean, not much to catch. Fish tend to stay over the contentental shelf. Past that there is no protection from becoming a bigger fish's meal.
And as someone else pointed out. They couldn't drink or survive in the water for very long. Even if they could swim, how long would they last if the ship sank. Longer than space sure but personally I'd rather die suddenly in space than slowly starving or drowning!
No I'm not trying to insult you. What I'm saying is that if you write a C program and don't end your lines with a semicolon you get a compiler error - everytime - no matter what compiler you use. Consistant behavior on all platforms/compilers = not quirky. They follow a standard. HTML 1 - 3 had no set standard so the browsers had/have to render the code the way they see fit. It isn't personal, they aren't calling you quirky, they are calling the code quirky!! No standard = quirks. IE and Netscape released their own extensions to HTML = quirks. I don't care if only two people in the world use the standard, the other way of doing it is still quirky and wrong. And as I said in my earlier post if you don't like the way W3C is doing things then give them your ideas. The idea that because PhD proffessors or anyone else don't want to learn XHTML makes it invalid is ludicrous.
Besides, XHTML will take off when Microsoft makes IE support it correctly and also when the mainstream HTML editors support it properly.
And as for forums and alignment, your assertion still makes no sense. align="center" works in HTML, the authors of this forum turned it off because they don't want you to center text. You can't add images or tables either. Their site their choice. If it were written in XHTML I don't see what the difference would be, they would either allow or disallow you to write "style='text-align:center'" or not. That has absolutely nothing to do with the W3C. And personally I think it sounds like FUD to make people think that XHTML and CSS gives you less control over your page which is simply not true in the least.
I agree 100% that XHTML is a better language for machines. But, I see first hand that people have tremendous problems with it.
Humans who aren't qualified have tremendous problems writing C or Java and yet I don't see anyone trying to make those "quirky". The people you speak of need to learn the new code or use an editor that knows it. As for you resisting it, good luck, even MS sort of supports it. It isn't going away and as a web developer (that codes by hand in XHTML!) you sir are part of the problem. We need a standard, the W3C is it, it isn't perfect but guess what? they take contibutions from developers so if you don't like, tell them and maybe they'll change the spec.
As for your centering example, I have no idea what you're talking about. Since when does a person other than the person creating the page control the CSS? Nothing is forcing them to import a random stylesheet, they can write their own and they can apply whatever classes to whatever images they want. Also the "style=" attribute can be used on any tag to specify styles for the tag itself (which override anything previously defined). So what if align="center" is going away. How hard is it to write style="float:center" instead?
As for the rest of your post I think your tin-foil hat needs adjustment.
If the W3C is so controlled by MS why doesn't their own browser properly support the standards set forth?
If its all about big companies selling expensive programs to write HTML editors then a) Why does the W3C release an Open Source editor and validator themselves? and b) Why don't the major commercial HTML editors properly support the W3C?
First off, Ma and Pa Kettle haven't cranked out their own web page in notepad since about '97 or so. Nowadays they use FrontPage for that which produces something akin to code soup.
Secondly I don't understand why new syntax precludes anyone. Learning new things is not difficult. I write valid XHTML 1 code by hand, it isn't very hard, in fact its much easier to control the elements than it used to be, and produce nice looking sites that downgrade nicely for people using broken (IE) browsers.
It makes everyone's life easier if there is a standard that is followed. You don't expect a programming language to know what to do with invalid syntax do you? Why should your data language be any different?
YOU aren't listening to what I'm saying. I know that people do that. I did not, I pointed out that OTHER people would listen to him more if he did look more proffessional. I get your point but it really doesn't change anything.
The world isn't a happy flowery place, people judge you on first appearances, its human nature. I wish it would change too but that's just not going to happen anytime soon. If I have something important to say to a group of people I dress and present myself in a manner that does not distract from my message. RMS could learn a lot about doing that, but he won't do that because he's too proud of his own acomplishments.
I seriously don't understand the whole idea that RMS can do no wrong, the whole rest of the world is screwed up because they don't like him or disagree with him. Sure the world is a bit screwed up, but RMS himself could swallow his pride and do something about a lot of the negative attitudes just by presenting himself and his message in a more proffessional manner.
Hmmm funny. I don't believe I attacked RMS personally at all. In fact I said he had good ideas. I also said he needs to communicate those ideas better. That is my expressed opinion, and I think its a valid one, especially since I have a degree in communication!
Also I didn't say that RMS's opinion in this case was rhetoric, but its undeniable that many things he says are rhetoric pure and simple. (GNU/Linux?). And that turns people off.
I don't know if he is smelly or not but I know his appearance turns people off too. Personally I don't care what he looks like but unfortunatly that's not the way the world works.
The message is the same but they don't seem to be as accomplished at throwing the dirty-commie-hippy brain shutoff switches.
Agreed! RMS has some great ideas but he turns people off with his rhetoric, and he refuses to see his own faults and wonders why people don't like him. At the same time I think a lot of these projects/companies with their own licenses need to get over themselves. Zend refusing to license PHP under the GPL or at least a compatable license makes me wonder if they have something in the current license they could use to do something nefarious down the road./tin foil hat
And if you're talking about the register_globals change from PHP 4.2, well, you're better off with register_globals being off by default
This was (and is) a huge problem. I got my job right after that change and the previous programmer always had them on. While I code for them to be off I have to leave them on since out of 300+ sites we host there is still a bunch of code out there that uses it.
register_globals was never a good idea to begin with, it will be difficult to get over it!:)
Maybe you should ask the PHP developers. All I know is that more than once a bunch of production websites broke when I updated even just a minor version. I can't imagine the crap I'd have to put up with upgrading to PHP 5
Me and another co-worker started creating a repository of classes which we use like there's no tomorrow.
Good! Think about releasing them if they are good enough, PHP as a whole could only be improved by more classes. It sounds like you know how to program which is more than a lot of PHP people can say (maybe I've just met the wrong ones;-) ).
As far as PHP for shell scripting. I use it when I just need something quick. I'll sometimes go back and change it to a different language when I have time.
I still say 'ick'. Perl has a lot more native shell like functions and better input/output control IMHO. Still for most stuff I use a real shell script. But to each his own I guess.
To make a long post short...I'm estatic about php5 being released!
And that's great. I think that PHP has its uses even if I personally dislike it. Its the "X language is so great that Y language is dead" statements that get under my skin. And the people who say such things are typically blind the short comings of X language and don't really know anything about Y language.
there's nothing wrong with the mysql_* functions etiher, other than the lack of placeholders, its just that if you want to migrate to something more robost you have to rewrite large portions of your code.
I don't understand why people say this? I use the Pear DB module when I'm writing with PHP for database abstraction. After adding extra queries because it converts my explicit '0' to null all the time (thus messing up my NOT NULL fields), or its use of ! as a place holder when ! should be availiable as 'NOT' in queries. Or tracking down an obscure function name that acts nothing like any other function, or keeping track of variable names since I can't stick like variables in their own name space. And tracking down bugs when I accidentally use the same name. Or extra code to remove magic_slashes.... etc, etc, etc. Does one really save any time or typing? I certainly don't.
Perl DBI just works and doesn't corrupt my data. CGI (and Apache::Request in mod_perl) just works and doesn't corrupt my data. Namespaces just work. Strict coding can be enforced and works. Global variables just work. It works! And it doesn't annoy me all the time!
Compiled PHP won't be much faster IMHO. If you want something compiled why don't you write your web apps in C? One of the main points about using an interpreted language is that your app can be changed quickly on the fly which is often nessicary in web development. Doubtful that people are going to start compiling PHP apps anytime soon.
PHP for shell scripts? That's just strange. ick.
PHP 5 still lacks namespaces, that alone is a good reason not to switch. That and CPAN (and no before you mention it, PEAR doesn't come anywhere close)
Since I always get the same replies everytime one of these posts comes up I'll answer them all now.
I use PHP everyday, its part of my job (sysadmin/web-developer). Have been using it for 4 years. At first I thought it was alright, but the more I've used it the more I loathe it. I find it inconsistant and I find at its core everything that goes against what a well designed language should be.
Perl code is not ugly unless you make it ugly. You can make C or PHP ugly as well.
Perl can be used in projects with multiple developers, I work with one other developer on a regular basis, sometimes two. At the beginning of the project we plan core modules and set APIs and coding style, much like I would expect anyone would do for any language.
IMHO and experience mod_perl is faster than PHP especially in larger apps./flame on
Yeah, its weird that they won't bundle MySQL 4 but they only bundle Apache2 with no easy way to get Apache 1.3.x without compiling it or finding a very non-standard RPM.
Not that Apache is hard to compile but it would be nice to keep it up to date with apt or yum like all the other packages. I'm forced to stick with Apache 1.3 until mod_perl reaches a stable version 2 and the Perl modules have caught up with it.
Okay HTML, a client side scripting language and the DOM. Still not a separate language and there is a standard way to do it.
My point is the way its written is just another piece of ammo for clueless managers to say "See Mozilla can't do everything we aren't going to develop with standards!"
There was a study released recently that showed the average person had 3 separate spyware programs installed on their machine.
Hmmm... Wonder where they got those from?
Also the number of zombie machines spewing all kinds of crap on to my mail server would seem to indicate that more than just a few people are getting owned.
Extensions aren't so bad, the problem is the ability for the user to change them. Viruses would be far less common if the OS compared the extension to the mime type of the program when executing it or something like that. Could also check for things like double extensions, etc.
Funny, I have a 233mhz windows box I use for testing. IE is painfully slow at loading anything, while Firefox serves up pages almost as fast as on my 2 Ghz Linux box.
Anyone who thinks Firefox is slow is a.) parroting what someone else said, and hasn't used it. b.) basing their claim off of a single use of Mozilla (the suite of apps, which is much faster than it used to be) 2 years ago c.) looking only at start-up speed where IE is (slightly) faster because of integration with the OS and is really already running.
No matter the reason I think you're a troll and I have no idea why I'm replying:)
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Someone needs their tin-foil hat adjusted.
;-)
Perhaps you don't realize this but the first Internet started out the exact same way. Controlled by Universities and the government. I kind of doubt even with the introduction of Internet 2 all the companies that control the current Internet are just going to go away, especially if the general population can't access Internet 2 like the article says!
So relax, your vote still works, Bush, as annoying as he is, is not a dictator, and the FBI already has Carnivore watching you anyway so encrypt your emails, at least make them work for it
And most likely in the future Internet 2 will be integrated into the current Internet.
It has a better browser (Safari)
... since when? Everytime I've tried Safari or Konquerer they both were really fast but still kind of sucked on rendering. Javascript support is incomplete too, so still tons of sites with valid code that don't show up properly.
:)
At risk of sounding like flamebait
Its Gecko based browsers for me. Firefox availiable for OSX, Windows and Linux
Myth1: BS. I'm a competent computer user. It took me nearly 6 hours the last time I did an XP system. Installing Windows usually goes something like this:
... etc ... etc.) ... reboot ... get some more ... reboot.
1. Put in Disk
2. Reboot
3. Format Harddrive
4. Reboot
5. License and file copy
6. Reboot
7. settings
8. Reboot
9. Install drivers you have from disks
10. Reboot (Reboot multiple times if you're a n00b since every driver tells you it has to reboot to work correctly!)
11. Go to windows update to install patches (pray you don't get 0wn3d just by getting on the net)
12. Monkey around with Windows update (This patch can't be installed with the other ones
13. Get some patches
14. Go back to windows update
15. Install Virus protection/ spyware protection
16. Reboot
17. Install Office
18. reboot
19. install office updates
20. reboot
Ad nausium until you finally get all your apps installed!
Fedora is
Language->Keyboard->Mouse->Partioning (automagic) -> Pick apps -> Copy files -> network settings -> software updates -> reboot.
The hardest part is picking the apps, but it will put them in categories and tell you all about them.
This is a common misconception. Actually the law in most states says that if you work more than 40 hours you are to receive overtime, wheither you are on salary or not. Work time is the time that you have to be at work, salary or not.
Now your employer may ask you to work extra hours, and you may agree to that. But even if you are salary you have rights, including owning the ideas you came up with in the shower.
The solution to this problem is to carefully read contracts you sign when you are employed, have them checked by an attorney if they aren't clear (as was mentioned above) and don't sign anything you don't really agree to. Most employers are pretty agreeable about this sort of thing, and if they aren't then you probably don't want to work for them anyway.
You know if you took a second to search CPAN, you'd find that your assertion is not at all true
Also its "Perl" as the name of language "perl" as the name of the interpreter. They aren't acronyms, PERL doesn't exist.
Search one of the big job sites for 'Perl' you'll find lots of jobs offering quite a bit of money for the skill. Not $135,000 true but there are several that make $80 - 90k (depending on the market) which would certainly cost the company paying them 120k+ when you factor in benefits, insurance, payroll taxes etc. etc.
They could pull their food out of the ocean.
Not exactly. Open ocean, not much to catch. Fish tend to stay over the contentental shelf. Past that there is no protection from becoming a bigger fish's meal.
And as someone else pointed out. They couldn't drink or survive in the water for very long. Even if they could swim, how long would they last if the ship sank. Longer than space sure but personally I'd rather die suddenly in space than slowly starving or drowning!
No I'm not trying to insult you. What I'm saying is that if you write a C program and don't end your lines with a semicolon you get a compiler error - everytime - no matter what compiler you use. Consistant behavior on all platforms/compilers = not quirky. They follow a standard. HTML 1 - 3 had no set standard so the browsers had/have to render the code the way they see fit. It isn't personal, they aren't calling you quirky, they are calling the code quirky!! No standard = quirks. IE and Netscape released their own extensions to HTML = quirks. I don't care if only two people in the world use the standard, the other way of doing it is still quirky and wrong. And as I said in my earlier post if you don't like the way W3C is doing things then give them your ideas. The idea that because PhD proffessors or anyone else don't want to learn XHTML makes it invalid is ludicrous.
Besides, XHTML will take off when Microsoft makes IE support it correctly and also when the mainstream HTML editors support it properly.
And as for forums and alignment, your assertion still makes no sense. align="center" works in HTML, the authors of this forum turned it off because they don't want you to center text. You can't add images or tables either. Their site their choice. If it were written in XHTML I don't see what the difference would be, they would either allow or disallow you to write "style='text-align:center'" or not. That has absolutely nothing to do with the W3C. And personally I think it sounds like FUD to make people think that XHTML and CSS gives you less control over your page which is simply not true in the least.
I agree 100% that XHTML is a better language for machines. But, I see first hand that people have tremendous problems with it.
Humans who aren't qualified have tremendous problems writing C or Java and yet I don't see anyone trying to make those "quirky". The people you speak of need to learn the new code or use an editor that knows it. As for you resisting it, good luck, even MS sort of supports it. It isn't going away and as a web developer (that codes by hand in XHTML!) you sir are part of the problem. We need a standard, the W3C is it, it isn't perfect but guess what? they take contibutions from developers so if you don't like, tell them and maybe they'll change the spec.
As for your centering example, I have no idea what you're talking about. Since when does a person other than the person creating the page control the CSS? Nothing is forcing them to import a random stylesheet, they can write their own and they can apply whatever classes to whatever images they want. Also the "style=" attribute can be used on any tag to specify styles for the tag itself (which override anything previously defined). So what if align="center" is going away. How hard is it to write style="float:center" instead?
As for the rest of your post I think your tin-foil hat needs adjustment.
If the W3C is so controlled by MS why doesn't their own browser properly support the standards set forth?
If its all about big companies selling expensive programs to write HTML editors then a) Why does the W3C release an Open Source editor and validator themselves? and b) Why don't the major commercial HTML editors properly support the W3C?
You're kidding right?
First off, Ma and Pa Kettle haven't cranked out their own web page in notepad since about '97 or so. Nowadays they use FrontPage for that which produces something akin to code soup.
Secondly I don't understand why new syntax precludes anyone. Learning new things is not difficult. I write valid XHTML 1 code by hand, it isn't very hard, in fact its much easier to control the elements than it used to be, and produce nice looking sites that downgrade nicely for people using broken (IE) browsers.
It makes everyone's life easier if there is a standard that is followed. You don't expect a programming language to know what to do with invalid syntax do you? Why should your data language be any different?
YOU aren't listening to what I'm saying. I know that people do that. I did not, I pointed out that OTHER people would listen to him more if he did look more proffessional. I get your point but it really doesn't change anything.
The world isn't a happy flowery place, people judge you on first appearances, its human nature. I wish it would change too but that's just not going to happen anytime soon. If I have something important to say to a group of people I dress and present myself in a manner that does not distract from my message. RMS could learn a lot about doing that, but he won't do that because he's too proud of his own acomplishments.
I seriously don't understand the whole idea that RMS can do no wrong, the whole rest of the world is screwed up because they don't like him or disagree with him. Sure the world is a bit screwed up, but RMS himself could swallow his pride and do something about a lot of the negative attitudes just by presenting himself and his message in a more proffessional manner.
Hmmm funny. I don't believe I attacked RMS personally at all. In fact I said he had good ideas. I also said he needs to communicate those ideas better. That is my expressed opinion, and I think its a valid one, especially since I have a degree in communication!
Also I didn't say that RMS's opinion in this case was rhetoric, but its undeniable that many things he says are rhetoric pure and simple. (GNU/Linux?). And that turns people off.
I don't know if he is smelly or not but I know his appearance turns people off too. Personally I don't care what he looks like but unfortunatly that's not the way the world works.
The message is the same but they don't seem to be as accomplished at throwing the dirty-commie-hippy brain shutoff switches.
/tin foil hat
Agreed! RMS has some great ideas but he turns people off with his rhetoric, and he refuses to see his own faults and wonders why people don't like him. At the same time I think a lot of these projects/companies with their own licenses need to get over themselves. Zend refusing to license PHP under the GPL or at least a compatable license makes me wonder if they have something in the current license they could use to do something nefarious down the road.
And if you're talking about the register_globals change from PHP 4.2, well, you're better off with register_globals being off by default
:)
This was (and is) a huge problem. I got my job right after that change and the previous programmer always had them on. While I code for them to be off I have to leave them on since out of 300+ sites we host there is still a bunch of code out there that uses it.
register_globals was never a good idea to begin with, it will be difficult to get over it!
Maybe you should ask the PHP developers. All I know is that more than once a bunch of production websites broke when I updated even just a minor version. I can't imagine the crap I'd have to put up with upgrading to PHP 5
Me and another co-worker started creating a repository of classes which we use like there's no tomorrow.
;-) ).
Good! Think about releasing them if they are good enough, PHP as a whole could only be improved by more classes. It sounds like you know how to program which is more than a lot of PHP people can say (maybe I've just met the wrong ones
As far as PHP for shell scripting. I use it when I just need something quick. I'll sometimes go back and change it to a different language when I have time.
I still say 'ick'. Perl has a lot more native shell like functions and better input/output control IMHO. Still for most stuff I use a real shell script. But to each his own I guess.
To make a long post short...I'm estatic about php5 being released!
And that's great. I think that PHP has its uses even if I personally dislike it. Its the "X language is so great that Y language is dead" statements that get under my skin. And the people who say such things are typically blind the short comings of X language and don't really know anything about Y language.
there's nothing wrong with the mysql_* functions etiher, other than the lack of placeholders, its just that if you want to migrate to something more robost you have to rewrite large portions of your code.
I don't understand why people say this? I use the Pear DB module when I'm writing with PHP for database abstraction. After adding extra queries because it converts my explicit '0' to null all the time (thus messing up my NOT NULL fields), or its use of ! as a place holder when ! should be availiable as 'NOT' in queries. Or tracking down an obscure function name that acts nothing like any other function, or keeping track of variable names since I can't stick like variables in their own name space. And tracking down bugs when I accidentally use the same name. Or extra code to remove magic_slashes .... etc, etc, etc. Does one really save any time or typing? I certainly don't.
Perl DBI just works and doesn't corrupt my data. CGI (and Apache::Request in mod_perl) just works and doesn't corrupt my data. Namespaces just work. Strict coding can be enforced and works. Global variables just work. It works! And it doesn't annoy me all the time!
Compiled PHP won't be much faster IMHO. If you want something compiled why don't you write your web apps in C? One of the main points about using an interpreted language is that your app can be changed quickly on the fly which is often nessicary in web development. Doubtful that people are going to start compiling PHP apps anytime soon.
/flame on
PHP for shell scripts? That's just strange. ick.
PHP 5 still lacks namespaces, that alone is a good reason not to switch. That and CPAN (and no before you mention it, PEAR doesn't come anywhere close)
Since I always get the same replies everytime one of these posts comes up I'll answer them all now.
I use PHP everyday, its part of my job (sysadmin/web-developer). Have been using it for 4 years. At first I thought it was alright, but the more I've used it the more I loathe it. I find it inconsistant and I find at its core everything that goes against what a well designed language should be.
Perl code is not ugly unless you make it ugly. You can make C or PHP ugly as well.
Perl can be used in projects with multiple developers, I work with one other developer on a regular basis, sometimes two. At the beginning of the project we plan core modules and set APIs and coding style, much like I would expect anyone would do for any language.
IMHO and experience mod_perl is faster than PHP especially in larger apps.
Yeah, its weird that they won't bundle MySQL 4 but they only bundle Apache2 with no easy way to get Apache 1.3.x without compiling it or finding a very non-standard RPM.
Not that Apache is hard to compile but it would be nice to keep it up to date with apt or yum like all the other packages. I'm forced to stick with Apache 1.3 until mod_perl reaches a stable version 2 and the Perl modules have caught up with it.
Okay HTML, a client side scripting language and the DOM. Still not a separate language and there is a standard way to do it.
My point is the way its written is just another piece of ammo for clueless managers to say "See Mozilla can't do everything we aren't going to develop with standards!"
DHTML is HTML with Javascript. Its just a buzz word, why do these PC magazines keep touting it as the latest and greatest thing???
The browser isn't perfect, however. Firefox does not render nonstandard DHTML properly, (emphasis mine).
Hello!! You said it yourselves! NONSTANDARD. Its websites that aren't perfect, not the browser. *head explodes*
There was a study released recently that showed the average person had 3 separate spyware programs installed on their machine.
... Wonder where they got those from?
Hmmm
Also the number of zombie machines spewing all kinds of crap on to my mail server would seem to indicate that more than just a few people are getting owned.
Extensions aren't so bad, the problem is the ability for the user to change them. Viruses would be far less common if the OS compared the extension to the mime type of the program when executing it or something like that. Could also check for things like double extensions, etc.
Funny, I have a 233mhz windows box I use for testing. IE is painfully slow at loading anything, while Firefox serves up pages almost as fast as on my 2 Ghz Linux box.
:)
Anyone who thinks Firefox is slow is
a.) parroting what someone else said, and hasn't used it.
b.) basing their claim off of a single use of Mozilla (the suite of apps, which is much faster than it used to be) 2 years ago
c.) looking only at start-up speed where IE is (slightly) faster because of integration with the OS and is really already running.
No matter the reason I think you're a troll and I have no idea why I'm replying