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Fedora Core 3 Test 1 Released
Gudlyf writes "Notice just went out to the Fedora Announce List about the availability of Fedora Core 3 Test 1. Things expected in FC3 include Linux kernel 2.6.7, GCC 3.4, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, and Evolution 2.0. As always, you can get Fedora Core test releases at redhat.com, specifically here and (for a torrent) here."
Always have the cd isos and working on the dvd iso with a 10mbit pipe. :)
Suprised to see FC3 Test1 so soon.
Havoc Penington, the bane of my Linux desktop.
Will it?
Casual Games/Downloads
Will this work out of the box with the Linksys WMP54G 802.11G wireless card? Or will I still have to fsck around with ndiswrapper?
Anyone?
yes, quite a joy. i always rejoyce when i get to screw my girlfriend for 6 hours while i wait for my PC to recompile the compiler. =]
No disrespect intended against the Fedora team, but I find that this release schedule is not so hot. There have been A LOT of issues with my installation of FC2 on a standard dell box. Maybe this was just a fluke, but I can't understand the whole idea of a point release every few months. Nonetheless, where's the torrent?
Except you don't have to pay $199 for it...
It's true to the idea of free software (everything from the source, man!) and a joy to upgrade
Personally... I can't stand building from source... yes building from source may result in a faster binary which is custom tailored to my system... but building can be a nightmare in terms of time! Recently I built kDevelop 3.0.4 from source and it took 3 hours and 45 min... all because I could not find a suitable RPM for my system.
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With releases coming out this fast, what's the best solution for upgrading? Does it work like you expect? What about going from Core 1 to Core 3?
I got in on a sweet AMD64 deal last week, the hardware will be arriving Thursday, so deciding to be proactive I go check the torrents at Duke to get FC2 for x86_64, but no - there is FC3 test 1. When I started I was about the only peer, getting about 150K/s (maxed my line) from I guess the torrent host. Very nice.
For once the slashdot effect might actually work in my favor!
It's already starting to act slow, so I might as well post it as an AC to avoid karma whoring.
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Announcing Fedora Core 3 Test 1
* From: Bill Nottingham
* To: fedora-announce-list redhat com
* Subject: Announcing Fedora Core 3 Test 1
* Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:38:37 -0400
[ witty or not-so-witty reference ]
Yes, it's time for the [number] test release of Fedora Core [number]. Fedore Core [number] includes various new features, such as
KDE [version], GNOME [version], and the [version] kernel.
[call for testing]
[admonition about production use]
Problems with Fedora Core [number] test [number] should be reported via bugzilla, at:
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/
Please report bugs against 'Fedora Core', release 'test1'.
For more information on just what the Fedora Project and Fedora Core is, please see:
http://fedora.redhat.com/
For discussion of Fedora Core test releases, send mail to:
fedora-test-list-request redhat com
with subscribe in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. Or see: https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora -test-list/
As always, you can get Fedora Core test releases at redhat.com, specifically: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux
Or on the following mirrors:
* North America
* USA East
* http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core
* ftp://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/ test/2.90/
* rsync://mirror.linux.duke.edu/fedora-linux-core/te st/2.90/
* ftp://mirror.cs.princeton.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/l inux/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/te st/2.90/
* http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/ test/2.90/
* ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/t est/2.90/
* rsync://mirror.hiwaay.net/fedora-linux-core/test/2
* ftp://ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* http://redhat.secsup.org/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://redhat.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/test/2.90/
* ftp://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/test/ 2.90/
* http://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* rsync://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downlo ad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2. 90/
* ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downloa d.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2.9 0/
* rsync://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downl oad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* USA West
* ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/linux
* Canada
* ftp://less.cogeco.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/l inux/core/test/2.90/
* http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/fedora/linu x/core/test/2.90/
* http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/fedora/linux
* ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/fedora/linux/ core/test/2.90/
* South America
* Chile
Looks like they live in the future. They included Gnome 2.8, which is not even out yet at this time.
Did they fix the Dual Boot Bug yet?
Fedora still doesn't have MySql 4. I have switced to Mandrake
Here are some screenshots i found: http://anyweb.kicks-ass.net/linux/fedora/index1.ht ml
Mohahah!
They're moving so fast, that I think they pile on more bugs than the rate they fix them at. Its generally pretty good, but still, a slightly slower schedule wouldn't impare them much. There really hasn't been that much new software since FC2 was released. Why not patch FC2, and wait for more stable builds of the next Gnome, like 2.8.2 or something, and KDE 3.3.1. It doesn't seems like Gnome 2.8 is that far along, and will be shipping as RC instead of finalized and tested. And if they do finalize 2.8, will is just be a bug-fix with like 1 new feature?
Unless you intend to install everything, do a net install and only get the packages you use. Downloading all the ISOs may not be the fastest way to get this.
I would have expected to see a ChangeLog in the article posted, as well as saying if the big bugs in FC2 have been fixed! (Windows mbr breakage and Orinoco wireless PCMCIA support breakage).
Fun stats on the BT tracker --> http://torrent.linux.duke.edu:6969/
I can't wait for SElinux to get on there. From what I understand the policy's will be much more lax than was on FC2 test systems; but still a much welcomed addition. Here is to Linux being the most secure out of the box OS! There is trusted BSD, Solaris, etc but they are not default in the main OS, they are forks. FC3 will have stack protection, SElinux, and so will RHEL, Debian, gentoo and the rest of the bunch.
Sometimes, just sometimes, I get the feeling that Linux distributions are being released too fast for ordinary users to keep up. I mean, FC2 was released about a month back (roughly), and here we are, talking about about FC3 Test 1 already! I guess FC3's slated to be released sometime in October.
The problem with this is that often, packages (rpms) for older distros are discontinued, thus forcing users to upgrade. I know stuff like Yum solves a lot of these issues, but the fundamental problem still remains.
For instance, I was running FC1 with KDE 3.2 Beta 2, which released sometime in December 2003, and wanted to upgrade to KDE 3.2.3 - but I couldn't find any rpms for FC1 at all, only FC2. Since upgrading was on the card anyways, I did download and install FC2, and all's well that ends well, but it did leave me thinking about whether Open Source software products are being released a tad too fast.
I wrote an essay about technology overload [rahulgaitonde.org] on my website. This news post on /. made me instantly think back to that essay.
Before I was able to fix everying in RedHat 9, Fedora Core 1 came out, and before I could fix everything in Fedora Core 1, Fedora Core 2 came out. I will bet that by the time I fix everything in Fedora Core 2 they will release Fedora Core 3 no later than 2 days afterwards. Any takers?
You have a girlfriend? Please, do tell... what is it like?
In those 4 CDs is the equivelent of windows, Office, Access, IIS, and Visual Studio.
I might just dual boot with Win2K again if Fedora Core 3 proves to be less of a pain in the arse (see FC2 dualboot feature) to install. I was seriously considering FC2 before that bug was discovered, glad I stayed my hand and let others do the testing ;O)
I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born - Ronald Reagan
Are you kidding or just ignorantly looking for karma?
It's got four CDs, einstein, because it's got so damned many apps bundled with it.
Try bundling MS office, MS SQL (two versions of it), exchange, and a few other M$ bloatware apps with XP and THEN come tell me about bloated installs.
You have obviously never installed fedora and if you did you did it to put it on your resume that you are a Redhat expert and have administered it for years.
Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
I'm happy with all the enthusiasm for this great project. But can Redhat be so great that they can offer Gnome 2.8 before Gnome 2.8 exists?
-- Bryan
It is for those who want the latest.
From their web site:
"It is also a proving ground for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products."
Building from source isn't really that big of a deal most of the time. Most applications build very quickly on my machine. I've had some long builds, but most applications install in a few minutes.
Now, if you're going to rebuild X or KDE, that's a task you should set to happen prior to going to bed at night.
One of the nice things about Gentoo is that you do have most libs already on your computer. So if you want to build something that doesn't have an ebuild from source, it's relatively painless most of the time (unlike many other distributions where you can easily get into dependancy hell trying to pull that off).
what is the point of moving so fast...
Are they trying to make up for the old RH servers where releases were far and few between?
At this rate it makes them look unpredictable and unuseable in a business who needs something that appears 'stable.'
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Are you trying to be funny? Or do you really think there are 4 CDs worth of kernel code there?
I believe there was a typo in your post:
you mispelled "masterbate to pictures of techTV chicks" as "screw my girlfriend" and "constantly" as "6 hours".
my pet machine
Ever heard of development versions?
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
With all due respect, does MS OS installation include any office applications? Does it include development tools? Does it include PhotoShop/Gimp?
With the 4 Fedora CD's you get choice of software and you get a Linux operating system.
You nimrods of the redhat community better be reading this:
I do NOT need a new OS install every three weeks. I know some of you my not have lives, but try to understand those of us who do...
Listen, A new core every year would be great. It doesn't need to be a race. Improve what you need to improve on the platform you have, otherwise you'll end up like Windows 98. Remember that monstrosity? Think it can't happen to you?
Think again.
This might be slightly off topic, but if Redhat is the leading Linux distribution (debate aside), why is there not a discussion board slapped right on the fedora.redhat.com website to answer the plethora of questions that always flood the airwaves when a new release comes out?
We've become dependent upon slashdot postings as a means of a support channel.
As the distro leader, a better job needs to be done to educate the masses.
I used gcc 3.4 for a while on Gentoo and had no real luck with it. There are a number of applications that won't compile under it or die a horrible death after being build with it. But maybe that was just me. Is it "better" now?
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You don't have to upgrade just because a new version comes out. They previous version is also supported, so you can skip versions and go with a longer schedule.
Too bad they're 2.7.x... smart @ss
Reminds me of Microsoft, when there was a fault in Win95, and the "fix" was "upgrade to Win98".
"[foo] is broken in FC2" "Fixed in FC3"
ok, so let's count:
1 cd (possibly 4) for the Office suite
at least 1 cd for the Mail server
1 cd for the project manager
~5 cds for the development environment
1 cd for the extra stuff (the Plus CD).
no cd for the internationalization
should I count more? You are really trolling.
Compare this to Fedora, and you'll find that it's not so bloated.
I'll do the stupid thing first and then you shy people follow...
Okay, I'll bit.... reformat your hard drive, install Windows and start using your computer. I give you 10 seconds after installation before you reach for several more CDs of applications to install.
The difference being that I can upgrade from Windows 2000 to Windows XP and still run the copy of Office 2000 that has suited my needs for years with downloading/purchasing/installing it.
I'd much rather have Linux distro that allowed me to install the OS separately from apps and spare me the download of things I don't need.
I don't have to run Fedora at all, but it doesn't do the community any good for me to be reporting bugs and errors in Core 1 when they're all testing Core 3 now does it? The quick release schedule smacks of arrogance. That's why I compared it to 98. It seems to be all about getting the latest and greatest to the masses instead of making sure things work and doing it right. (Or do you honestly think all the bugs in FC2 have been corrected?) What scares me is that Redhat claims this is a testing ground for new features in their enterprise products... Good grief! Why do we continually have to live with buggy and crappy programs in REAL releases? Because the bleeding edge folk don't finish the job, that's why.
They should have nicknamed it XPsp2
On the off chance...
"Piter, too, is dead."
You can....
Posted at http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ is a preliminary draft of a schedule for Fedora Core 3, reproduced below.
x -list/2004-May/msg00096.htmlt /2004-June/msg00007.html/ 2004-June/msg00370.html
- GCC 3.4 - those that have looked at rawhide will have noticed this
- GNOME 2.8
- KDE 3.3
- SELinux, yet again. This includes a new 'targeted' policy that monitors specifc daemons with less intrusion than the strict policy in use before.
https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-selinu
- IIIMF - continued evolution of the new input framework
- Indic language support
- Various desktop-related features, including, but not limited to:
- Pango support for Mozilla
- Remote desktops using VNC
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-lis
- Printing improvements
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list
- Evolution 2.0
This is the major problem with Software dev. as a whole... everyone wants the work on the new ideas and features, nobody wants to bother to fix those features.
Why isn't the dual boot bug being fixed for FC2 before everyone moves to FC3?
Am I going to have to live with a dual boot bug in a future version of RH because of this neglect? Odds are, I will.
Things that interest me:
- I see the Freedesktop.org HAL code is being included in test1. That will be interesting to see if and how integrated it will be in the final release. We'll probably also see some sort of real udev support this time.
- The timetable for the next official X.org release is planned to sync with Fedora Core 3. I'm a bit skeptical they can make it in time, but it would be really cool if they did. This will be the first X.org to include the new desktop composition extension from Keith Packards kdrive test.
It's like deja vu all over again.
I had to upgrade a few RedHat 9.0 internal development servers. I thought the Fedora release cycle was too rapid and Redhat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) was too expensive for internal development servers. I plan to use RHEL for the production machines. But for internal use I decided to use Debian instead for the following reasons:
* slow stable release cycle
* easier upgrades
* server management and configuration tools
One drawback of the slow release cycle of Debian is that software versions are somewhat old. If you need a newer version of a particular package Debian Backports can help with using newer software with stable Debian releases.
Recently I built kDevelop 3.0.4 from source and it took 3 hours and 45 min... all because I could not find a suitable RPM for my system.
Hey, look at the bright side. If you save on average 1 second (and I'm being optimistic here) each time you use your own compiled KDevelop, then you only need to use KDevelop 13,500 times to regain the time you lost on compilation! After that, it's PURE PROFIT!!!!111
Binary packages suxx0rz!!!!1111
While i totally agree that you are getting much more then just an OS and windowing system, it doesnt take 4 cds to put out an OS+desktop+sql+office suite+devlopment ide.. etc
If you doubt this, look at mepis, or FBSD....
While some choice is good, Fedora is piling on TOO many duplicated items.. Unfortunately this is a common problem with linux distros in general.. Just because its free and you can, doesnt mean you should... Bulk doesnt always mean better..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Just to back you up, my Dell-branded XP Pro was on one CD, but but Office XP took 3, and the Dell driver/utility discs (DVD player, Roxio EZ CD, etc) took 3. That's 7 CDs. And I didn't get anywhere near the variety of stuff I got with FC2, and I only used 3 of the 5 CDs.
Plus, to get my Dell CDs replaced, I had to call in three times, one original call, once because they sent me XP Home, once 'cuz they forgot to send XP Pro. To get all 5 FC2 disks took three hours, and I got the warm 'n' fuzzies of using Bit Torrent and helping others get it too. Don't even get me started on how long it took to install XP versus FC2.
In the commercial Linux distro's, SuSE comes to mind that sells you an upgrade version and of course Gentoo and Debian can just upgrade without reinstall.
And, BTW, how can (sane?) person who respects their rights click I agree to Microsoft's EULA when upgrading to XP?
Read here for a breakdown what you are surrendering when you blindly accept Microsoft's terms. Disgusting IMHO.
Yes. And one thing you might note for your simian friend here is the fact that nobody's forcing you to install everything on the CDs. Did this guy install Fedora at all? Ever?
Personally, I love having a full-figured (Don't call it fat!) install. I miss the 6-8 CD SuSe distros. But everything works so nice on Fedora...
Intolerance for ambiguity is the mark of the authoritarian personality.
Probably not a good one, by I'm trying to make a point.
The whole idea of Fedora is that it's to be a testing ground for new technologies to incorporate into RH.
It can't do that successfully if it's not taking the time to fully test those technologies, because it's jumping to the "new thing" too quickly.
I don't care if fedora breaks... it's a testing ground.
I do care that RH 10 or 11 breaks, because they implemented an undertested "feature" derived from Fedora. This is the danger I'm talking about.
In the future will incorporate these under-tested features from Fedora.
I shouldn't need to worry about fixing them then.
One of the Fedora developers sneezed! Quickly slashdot his blog now!
(j/k, it just seems like a new test release doesn't warrant a mention, perhaps on OSNews)
CB
free ipod and free gmail!
What the hell? All I want to know is, will C3 be as bloated and slow as v2, with matching exhorbitant system requirements?
Seriously, I'm not trolling -- Core 2 was thoroughly trounced in a recent benchmark test by Mandrake 10 and Windows XP SP1. This, despite the fact that v2's system requirements are, by far, the richest of any desktop OS on the market ATM. So, not only is it slower than the average, by far, but jacking-up the the hardware it's run on doesn't seem to help much.
im just finishing off a 4.1gb download of fedora core 2, on a 150k connection.
It's fairly hard for a "normal" User on the slim line between an fairly actual system and a productive system. Anyway, new stuff always attracts me a lot (another load of hours lost :-)...
But the problem on Linux and especially with distributions a la Fedora is interoperability. Every version demands it's own RPM archive, there isn't just this thing like "xine-0.99xx.rpm" and GO. It's just like DLL Hell on Windows with the difference that it's more complicated to have different versions coexisting (M$ did some tweaks in that area); i know, it's cleaner but under M$ "IT JUST WORKS".
What really needs to get done is a wider adoption of sort of freedesktop.org "standards" like DBUS and a defined versioning System for all those *.so libraries on the system. Apple does some fairly cool tricks in that area with so called "frameworks" which exist as isolated directories and can contain multiple versions of a framework. Combined with late binding, it's just possible to trust a certain frozen API version.
I know it was already a huge step forward that most libraries now feature those xxx-config scripts so that the "user" doesn't have to supply all those directories and stuff for easier building. But let's get serious on that: A "real" user doesn't compile his stuff. And without tackling that matter we won't get serious (and working) package dependencies. And till that doesn't work every distribution is in fact a big bloated testing team trying to figure out the dependencies and building propietary packages that only work with this specific version of the distrib...
BTW I think that's part of the reason why gentoo is so successful...
I mean it's on the development schedule that test1 would be released today. This release shouldn't be a suprise for those complaining about installing this new one so soon.
As you can see, the core 3 will be done about October for those using core 2.
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Unix is very user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.
Gee, that that get outsourced to, say, India?
gcc 3.4 is notoriously buggy. The maintainers have advised to upgrade to 3.4.1, I think. Of course, by the 2nd release candidate, they won't be using 3.4 anymore, but why use it at all here?
1)Find the drive geometry of your disk (see below).
2)Boot the machine on the install CD.
3)Invoke the installer by typing: linux hda=c,h,s where c,h,s is the number of cylinders, heads and sectors of the disk, respectively.
To find your drive geometry:
1)Boot into linux w/ root (a liveCD is ok).
2)Type: fdisk -l /dev/hda
3)Write down the number of cylinders, heads and sectors. Now just complete the steps above.
Hope this helps...
I ran a default install of FC2 for 48 hours before installing Mandrake back on my machine. Gnome 2.4 is simply too unstable. RH's config tools crashed like crazy.
Not sure if this is my fault or not, but I don't have those problems in Mandrake, and everything I need is there and runs fine. URPMI is easy and clean (once you find stable servers) though YUM was plenty nice.
KDE can handle ftp:// connects flawlessly, and though gnome-vfs is nifty, none of the apps can see it yet, though they can be tricked (browse a connected server through Nautilus and then "Open with.."; clumsy, but effective).
I think Gnome is prettier than KDE still, but I'm far more productive in Mandrake than I can be in FC2.
Slow DOWN guys!
You just released FC2 a few months ago. To be honest, it was lackluster. Bugs and problems are rampant. Really guys, fix up FC2, release FC2.1,2.2,etc first. Then move on to FC3. You guys cannot stay bleeding edge, and noone is expecting you to. That kind of thing is better left to the likes of Gentoo. You just worry about staying a version or two behind bleeding edge, and release a really solid OS that people can move into from Windows and have realatively few problems. Remember, the less problematic a first timer's (n00b, whatever) experience is with Linux, the more likely they will be to sticking around and finding out what this "open source" thing is really all about.
SHARES OF LINUX vendor Red Hat (ticker: RHAT) fell by $2.73 after it said it would have to re-state its income for 2002, 2003 and 2004. And for the first quarter of this financial year.
It said in a statement that it needs to change the way it counts revenues from subscriptions, and forecast quite significant changes in its profits.
Rather than counting revenue and profits when a contract begins, it will now count it in its final month.
But Red Hat said that the adjustments won't have any effect on its business or its business outlook.
At press time the shares had fallen to $17.62, down by nearly 14% on the day.
Easy with the groupthink mods...god forbid there's a dissenting opinion out there.
or is wireless connection not an important feature (desktop or server) for the linux community. (Yes, I know about the $ and backwards-bending-reverse-engineering-window-drive r solutions to get wg311 working.)
TIA
But they'd have to fix the mp3 support... I know, it's easily fixable, but it's so terribly _annoying_
Considering he requires an 'excuse' to screw his girlfriend for 6 hours, that make it even more surprising that he even has one.
Fedora Core 2 disabled firewire by default because of a bug in the firewire modules. Hopefuly 1394 will be enabled in Core 3.
http://github.com/gbook/nidb
No, I think you've got a Cray supercomputer, and compiling your compiler only takes 3 minutes, and you're STILL done before it is. Heh.
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=113575&cid=962 0694
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Then just download the first CD, genius.
Karma: Segmentation fault (tried to dereference a null post)
While I generally do RPMs, I do build some stuff from source, and am looking at using distcc for it, check out recent /. story.
PC moderators can suck my White pierced, tattooed dick. If you think pride == hate, s/dick/Aryan meat mallet/g.
I just upgraded from 1 to 2 last night. Now things don't work. I got sound to work last night, but had to recompile the kernel. USB now starts, but none of my devices work. Of course these are more 2.4.x to 2.6.x issues than anything else.
I have also noticed its slower than fedora core
xorg takes a while to start, I can actually log in at the console before it starts.....
Only 'flamers' flame!
Does slashdot hate my posts?
Sounds nice, but do I really need to re-install everything?
Is there a red-hat equivalent to
orI'm not trying to be a debian/apt troll, but on my Debian system, I've got 90% of the system running "Debian Stable", and use
to get the components relevant to my work. I'd love to be able to do the same with Fedora.Or this: White Box Linux
Seriously, though, I think that Fedora 3 stands a chance of being reasonably good for the "average Linux user." By that, I mostly mean going back to the pre-Fedora levels of troubleshooting while improving on the user-friendliness.
I just had a painful weekend trying to upgrade my machines at home. I managed to install FC2 on my desktop without a glitch but the first thing I did (and anyone else would do) after booting up --- trying to update the system --- failed because of two bugs (one of which is in rpm and is supposedly fixed but a new package is not released yet).
My server refused to take any of the newer stuff from Red Hat. It is an VIA mini-ITX box running RH9. I was hoping to update to FC2 but due to a bug in the 2.6.6 and earlier kernels which affects the C3 CPU, the installer can not even start. (Heh! I just found out that there is decent workaround posted for this one. Who says that posting to Slashdot does not pay out?)
I also tried to install RHEL Academic Edition (which looked like closely derived from RH9) only to discover that it does not support this particular machine (too bad --- I was going to gladly pay the $50 for updates).
From the news in the past couple of months, it looks like most of the latest offerings (not only by Redhat) have had too many issues to be considered decent. It looks like the reason for that is that most problems are bugs in the kernel (firewire, VIA C3 support) or are related to the kernel (Windows dual-boot issue).
With the exception of firewire support, however (which I don't know if it has been fixed in 2.6.7), the issues that concern me have been resolved. Also the publicity around some of the issues gives me hope that the Fedora folks will be a little more careful with the next release. This makes me think that Fedora 3 may finally live up to the expectations.
The Fedora Crew can go as fast and agressive as they want if and only if they provide smooth upgrade paths by yum/up2date/"insert your favorite updating method here".
My FC2 install is only 1.5 months old. It took me that long to decide to upgrade since the old software was working great. When I did finally buckle down to do it I had to do a CD install. I would rather do a "yum upgrade-distribution" or something else entirely.
Between Debian's slowness of "it will be done when its done" and the neckbreaking speed of Fedora I keep hoping to find some sort of middle ground. I like software to be as progressive as anyone but upgrading is a major pain. If they solve that problem, then the world will beat a path to their door.
That's right, because the fee is really $699. Pay up, Linux sucker.
-- Darl McBride
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10);'
i don't think anyone else even noticed
If you are going to say something like this you'd better back it up with a link.
If you can't, then I'm gonna consider it trolling.
The Internet is full. Go Away!!!
no cd for the internationalization Oh, yes... just get the Windows XP MUI pack (or 2000 or 2003, whichever you use), I think all those are 4 CD's each, dunno how much they cost though (or even if they're available for home users)... I think they'll only install on the English version of each OS (and not XP home at all), so you're out of luck if you have any other language.
I have no problem with them offering other CD's for optional parts.. thats the best route...
But, the last time i installed a RH type product, it hit *all* 3 cds...
And yes, i realize i could have paired it down even more, but default options shouldnt be so bloated, when its been shown its not *nessassary* to do so..
Just a personal gripe is all...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
2.7.x is the dev tree, 2.8.x will be after the 2.7 tree becomes stable
The nice thing about building source is that you can have up-to-date versions of software and good dependency handling.
I always build from source, but really don't care that much about the optimization.
Oh, and the systems that provide building from source (FreeBSD/OpenBSD ports, NetBSD pkgsrc, Gentoo portage) also have decent support for pre-build binary packages. I haven't seen any primarily-binary systems that would provide a decent option to build from source in a way that is managed by the package system.
MacOS X fink is almost that, but it's actually several systems wrapped together...
I cannot believe the fricken winers out here.
I for one want to thank the fedora team for giving us a quality product for free!!!
It just amazes me of the quality of open source software - I have just cleaned my basement out and got rid of all my old windows software -
I use nothing but oss in our house. my wife, daughter uses it and it is great - it meets all of our computing needs. Now I have to find a use for all the empty shelf space.
I for one commend the release schedule of fedora. No one is forced to upgrade - so quit wining and thank these folks for all their hard work.
I had no problems upgrading to fedora two - I even had a router/firewall that I upgraded using yum because it has no cdrom and it went perfect.
Now I have tried a few others and I never had anything go wrong - so I will be using yum to upgrade all my boxes from now on.
this is how computing is suppose to be.
THANKS FEDORA TEAM!!!
It's very fast integrating new technology.
Fedora is for the bleeding edge stuff.
Just like debian is for the trailing edge stuff.
I don't like to read about some great new tech that just got released and then have to think "gee only another 18 months to 2 years before debian gets it and then it will be poorly integrated until another year" so I switched to fedora.
Not a knock on debian but if you like to try out the latest and greatest and be on the leading edge as well as actually be able to file bug reports that make a difference fedora is the way to go.
Its called a network install. Fedora, as well as most of the other major Linux distros have a 10MB to 50MB ISO that you can burn to CD and boot your computer with. Once booted, you can select from a list of sites that have the software packages for the distro. So you only download what you need.
Better yet, Debian has a ISO that is under 100MB, and you can use it to install a bare bones system without being connected to a network.
well. I'm running Gentoo, not Redhat.. but I have a hell of a lot of hot and beta packages witout any critical or even anoying problems..(Unless I try to view SVG's in konquror!)
Linux on the desktop is a lot more stable thease days.
I'm a little worries about GCC 2.4, Gentoo hasn't moved to it yet because it's buggy, even though it could make a lot of gentooers compile times much shorter. (new parse, Precompiled headers).
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
You know what? Installing Windows XP can break linux installs. It overwrites the MBR and doesn't leave an option to boot to linux. And every time I try a distro, I decide to go "linux only" until a damn professor decides to require we use a piece of Windows only software and submit stuff in its file formats. So on goes XP (legal, $10 for a student copy) and away goes my latest distro. Its still there wasting disk space of course. Yes, Yes, its not too terrible to re-grub-itize, but I'm still on the noob end of the food chain. Sure I could use the labs, but then ... why do I have a computer?
First perform a network upgrade using the network install CD, then use yum to install the components you want. Red Hat is still opposed to "live upgrades".
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just curious.... I still have a copy of RH9, and while Core 2 and other newer distros have some nice touches, I honestly don't need many of them....
I hope supporting all these fedora core distros doesn't mean fedora legacy will give up supporting older redhat distros like Redhat 7.3
Now I see that fedora core is re-released so frequently I am even less enthusiastic about upgrading our Redhat 7.3 production servers to FC.
Oh god I'm going to have learn debian aswell aren't I?
I'm willing to test the hell out of 3 if gnome has a menu editor and it's enabled. No offense, it's a terrific desktop/distro and I love bug hunts, but I've gotta have a better way to edit menus than vim.
htop: top takes a quantum leap.
while the readme says gnome 2.8 and kde 3.3, there is no such thing as gnome 2.8 yet and if you look at the packages, it's actually gnome 2.6.0 and kde 3.2.3
thanks!
Nobody's forcing you to upgrade!
As problematic as FC2 is it's the only distro that let me setup a Xeon SMP machine w/> 4Gb RAM, HW SCSI RAID and LVM/ReiserFS the way I wanted. I still wrestle with multimedia & USB problems and periodically have to give the wlan drivers a whack but I don't seem to have any other choice.
Let's see: FC3 is released in October and Solaris 10 is due around the same time. And...I'm more excited about the one I use at work! Something's wrong here.
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I mean, Fedora doesn't even have DTrace which, as many here assured us in the recent Slashdot post, isn't a particularly new idea...
Ade_
(ha, admire my shiny brass troll balls and tremble!!)
Big Bubbles (no troubles) - what sucks, who sucks and you suck
How hard is it to make a disto? Someone needs to make it easy to create a distribution with nice hardware detection and automatic installation. Then we can all select Gnome 2.8, Kernel 2.6.7 etc and produce our own set of install disks. I see this as the future and it looks like Debian or Gentoo with some added goodies (Knoppix?).
3 Test 1, 1 Test 3 - where's the difference? With just about a year between FC1 and FC3 I bet it's just a service pack. Everyone knows that it takes at least three years to release a new version of Wind^H^H^H^Han OS.
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
or just
apt-get -t breakingverysoon mishmash mixedlibs binary dependencies built with different compiler version i hope this works install foo
If FC2 would be released today, yes. That's a list of the stuff they want in the official release in October.
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
you mispelled "masterbate to pictures of techTV chicks" as "screw my girlfriend" and "constantly" as "6 hours".
As most the of the rest of us masturbate.
Is it just me or are these release cycles turned up a little high?
There's something very wrong about a programmer complaining about compiling from source...
Looks to me like FC3 Test 1 is still using i386 rpms. Given the blo . . erm, I mean size of the distro and its memory/cpu requirements to run it effectively, why don't they bin i386 and use i586 or even i686 rpms.
:)
This way they can take advantage of the more modern CPU's likely to be running this (anyone using FC1/2 on a 486 or below?), and possibly speed up the distro in general.
Adz
The community at large isn't interested in Fedora. That is why redhat is paying Taco and Co. $$$$ to pretend there is a ton of interest. Hence articles about redhat on the front page every day.
That my friends, is astroturfing.
This /. thread has lots of hints, but until the Fedora websites detail the software list, it might be best to stand by and watch others jump in the water.
Or maybe I'm just wary since I spent so many hours getting various FC1 and FC2 test versions to work (or fail).
I think doing some dot releases for FC would be great as well, but they probably just won't have the time. It would almost have to be a seperate project. In fact I have found a very interesting project called Up2dateISO
It looks like a nice way to create an iso with all the updates in place. I just wish someone would make premade images available using this. It would make things far easier.
Most support that these days.. But since i like to carry my files around with me i normally just install a minimal FBSD set, then carry a 2nd cd with just the pacakges i need...
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Its a bit more work on my part but at least its not 4 CDS of garbage to lug around
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I installed FC2 on two machines.
On my dual processor machine, it didn't recognize my dvd burner, though it did find my cdrw and dvd drive. There were other problems that I don't recall.
On my compaq notebook (about a year old), it didn't recognize my dvd/cdrw drive, my built in sound card, nor my built in
ethernet controller. I gave up trying to install patches on that, as I couldn't get them from the
cd I burn, nor could I get them over the network.
I installed mandrake 10 on both machines. Not only did all the hardware work, but I was able to install everything with the reiser filesystem and
the kernel had the ntfs driver so I could read my windows xp partitions.
Also it was nice being able to play mp3's without having to search for the needed RPM's.
I got tired of having to load the ntfs module every time redhat rev'ed their kernel.
I wish Redhat would fix their major bugs before releasing FC3. It is nice to schedule releases often, but nicer not to lose their customers.