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XP Deathwatch, T Minus 2 Weeks
CWmike writes "June 30 is Microsoft's deadline for mainstream computer makers to stop selling new PCs with the old operating system, and the date that it will stop shipping boxed copies to retailers. That's just two weeks away. Computerworld offers a FAQ about XP's approaching retirement after Microsoft's most recent relaxation of the retirement rules, with some details about which machines big-brand computer makers will be selling with XP after June 30. First FAQ: Any sign that Microsoft will reprieve Windows XP's retirement? Sort of."
With Liunx getting in to there market (with moblie PC, sub note books) this can only help.
They might stop selling it but I bet they will support it for a long time. I shall guess 2012.
Does this mean that they will stop all updates and patching for XP as well? Or is that farther down the road?
Either way, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, because soon enough, the updates will stop, XP machines will be virus infested and even my grandma will have beef with Microsoft!
OSS: You run the software you want to run, according to your business interests.
Want to run Linux 2.0 (not that you'd want to)? Sure no probs.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
This is a clear case of a large company making what they want and totally ignoring consumer demand. What people really want is a better version of XP and for continued support. I for one (if I am to use Windows (and then only in a virtualized environment)) would gladly pay $99 or whatever for an upgraded version of XP that is still very much like XP. Apple is making a strong move I feel with Snow Leopard. People like Leopard. They are releasing Leopard, but "better". I'd pay for it in a heartbeat, as stability and speed is well worth money to me. If they made an XP "better", I'd go for it and pay for the upgrade. That's the goal isn't it? For people to pay for the next thing?
But, that's not what they are doing. They figure people want excessively high system requirements, "more secure" environments (which aren't really better security models, just annoying prompts often) and pretty graphics. Hell, I was happy with the graphics in Windows 2000, and in fact when I use XP I turn it back to Win2K themes always.
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I want to know how Steve Jobs lined up Microsoft to so effectively to do his marketing. Killing XP's bound to drive many soonn-to-be-former Windows users to the Macintosh. Brilliant.
Oh crap! I thought they were replacing Vista with XP. Disappointment yet again. =(
The Linux desktop lifewatch, T minus 2 weeks.
Of course, as all nerds know, anything that dies can come back as a zombie to eat that which is alive. But we're rational people here and could never imagine that.
Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
Dell has already stated that they will continue to install XP if the customer requests it.
Anybody who buys a computer bundled with an OS should probably keep that OS. Vista, though slow as hell, is easier to use and more secure (theoretically). Especially if all you're doing is web browsing and using Microsoft Office.
Those who do not want to use it should be smart enough to install their own distro. XP SP2 CDs are plentiful, like AOL coasters.
And the majority of enthusiasts who want a lean and mean machine, and still wish to run a Microsoft OS, won't need to deal with this bundled nonsense.
Sigs are for Terrorists.
Now all you pirates will have an excuse for downloading your Windows XP disc image.
Property is theft.
They have a while until it wil become the choice for desktops. And it won't be "Linux" itself; it will be some windows user-friendly distribution of it.
Why won't it be "T plus two weeks?" What's wrong with that?
I heard a rumor that oil speculators were moving money into XP Home retail box.
Too late. I got mine on Saturday.
And two years from now, if they wont activate, boy 'o boy is Balmer going to get a good chair-throwing!
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
GeneralEmergency
I'm sure the Pirate Bay will continue to carry Windows XP for a long long time.
And the fact that our few boxen with it run like dogs even with dual core high end processors.
Even with the effects turned off it's dog slow.
If they kill the ability for us to buy XP we're going to an all Linux/Unix shop.
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XP is here. It works. It works well. It has drivers. It's fast. Vista has been a complete disaster for Microsoft. It's here, but it doesn't work well, lacks drivers and is slower than molasses. The record 'sales' of Vista that Microsoft has been bragging about is only due to preinstallations, and everyone knows it. I got Vista on a new laptop, loved the pretty colors but within a few months learned it was pure crap, deleted it, installed XP and never looked back. Microsoft: It's time to fall on your sword. Admit that Vista was the disaster it is: Every else already knows that. Sanction the developers that screwed it up so badly, and Fire the bureaucrats who would rather see Microsoft go down the tubes that admit they made a huge mistake with Vista.
The restructured Users folder, for example. Finally 'My Music' is moved out of the My Documents folder, making backups, once again, possible for basic end users.
The improved desktop rendering, which small matter though it may be, was well overdue for an overhaul.
There are some things which are worse in Vista, and we all know about them.
The copying speed.
The shutdown menu, and the fact that hibernation NEVER works.
Ultimately however, and this is where I intend to get relevant, there is nothing significant enough to recommend a switch from XP to Vista. And that's a statement that few people would argue with, and it's a damning statement. The more you think about about, the worse it gets.
And when you step into the world of Enterprise, and big business, things are even worse. In Enterprise, you really, really don't care about shiny baubles. All you care about is that it works, and it stays working, and it never works any worse than it used to.
Aging though it may be, XPs relevancy is not in decline. Windows Server 2003 does not want for much, in the way of mission critical upgrades, and what it does want for, Windows Server 2008 will not be providing.
This was foretold on the ancient Mayan Calender.
Not exactly trolling...
Is there a deadline to downloading patches for XP, or reinstalling XP?
Windows: You run the software MS tells you to, according to MSs business interests.
You can run any software that is written for Windows and it will work! That's what makes Windows wonderful.
OSS: You run the software you want to run, according to your business interests.
This may be true, but, how do you run it? What libraries will you need? What the hell is a kernel? What does it mean to compile?
Until there is a bullet-proof installation method - Linux will remain out of the SMB world. The corporate world has a place for Linux on the desktop but NOT because it is open-source. It's because it works, is cheap(er) and fits a need.
Why is the Apple awesome for SMBs? Easy install using thier DMG files.
I personally use Linux for some development stuff, own an iPhone and Mac Mini AND use my Windows Vista laptop for day to day uses. Why? I use what works.
What I mean is, Vista seems a pain in the butt for mass deployment or reinstallations. I can easily imagine a few sysadmins going nuts and burned out over the Vista activation nightmares. Sysadmin burnouts and consequent paid sick leave should definitely figure in the TCO (Microsoft loves the "TCO" abbreviation) of Vista.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
in a TV style reboot Bill Gates wakes from a nightmare to find Vista was all part of some fevered dream. XP is still selling well and Apple's last two OSs have been a disaster and everyone doesn't want to upgrade. XP has been updated to support both 32 bit and 64 bit and also supports Direct X-10 which has become the new standard for gaming. The latest XP release also removes all caps on ram so motherboard makers are building boards that support 16gig of ram per CPU and they can't wait for 8gig chips so they can offer 32gig of ram. Rumor has it XP 2010 will support a staggering 128 bit architecture.
The consumers wake up screaming only to find it wasn't all a nightmare. XP is being phased out and the Mac releases have been a big hit.
Now I know samba has its bugs, but come on... it's not THAT bad.
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Any sufficiently simple magic can be passed off as mere advanced technology.
Anyone know?
Microsoft made a big mistake: they made a good product.
They should sell XP+ or something which continues support for years and has faster search, (why can I search the entire internet 1000x faster than my PC?).
I'd pay $100 for that.
Like many on here, I support computers for family, friends, etc... I have flatly told people that I will do nothing on their computers if they run vista. I've only used Vista for a few days, and the experience of using it myself and attempting to work with it on other people's computers has been so unpleasant that I won't do anything for it.
Thus, I'm basically using MS's decision to quit XP to push OS upgrades of my own choosing. People can either stick with XP - which I'm more than happy to support - or, if they want to upgrade to something new, I suggest they install Ubuntu - which I have also recently started using and will support for them. I have had several people make that switch and find the experience palatable. The point is that, at least for the home user, those of us who are unhappy with Microsoft's decision at least have a chance to not only vote with our wallets, but also bring others along for the ride.
Time to update to Ubuntu. Or any other human-friendly Linux OS!
So if you won't be able to buy a new copy of XP any more, how long until one could reasonably consider it abandonware?
If I needed to build a new PC tomorrow, I'll want to install XP on it. But if Microsoft won't sell it to me, what can I do about it?
Computers are useless: they can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso
The OEMs are still going to supply computers loaded with XP. The license for Vista Business gives you the right to 'downgrade' to XP Pro. You can order a computer loaded with XP and it comes with a license for Vista.
We switched over to the Vista licensed option of the Dell Optiplex almost a month ago. Dell will be shipping with XP for at least a year and the downgrade rights extend into 2010.
There is no issue except that I am sure Microsoft is reporting this as a sale of Vista instead of a failure of Vista...
Why should they extend support beyond December 21st, 2012?
Most/many people simply don't WANT Vista! Not to mention that we're deeply in a recession and many simply aren't upgrading their computers.
Microsoft isn't stupid...they know that Vista is a joke-and XP can continue to be a cash cow for them.
As I recall, when XP released, the tech community was quite quick to throw flak at Microsoft for releasing a "bug ridden feature bloated OS that hides it's inadequacies behind a pretty interface", with a great cluster of users vowing to never leave their precious, mature, stable, and resource-efficient Windows 2000.
Somewhere along the line, XP mostly shed it's poor reputation, and replaced it with one of stability and speed on modern to previous-generation machines. Somehow, even though Win2k's death clock was ticking, few seemed to notice or care. At some point, if you weren't running XP, you were either a die-hard 2k fan, or you were a business.
Fast forward to now. Vista has been out for 20 months and has seen a service pack. Much of the tech community still throws flak at Vista for having poor driver support, being a resource hog, and often such flak is accompanied by a vow to never leave XP. Vista's reputation may be slowly turning, but inside tech circles, throwing flak is still the norm.
What's the difference?
Quite simple really, XP had a catch-22 situation with buying a new machine. Most users with half a brain cell would turn down Windows ME, as it was as stable as a vial of Nitroglycerin. Here's where XP had the advantage: Windows 2000 was a Business OS, and wasn't put out by Microsoft for Home users, so hence system vendors didn't market it on their machines. Thus, buyers were essentially given a choice: Unstable ME, or Unproven XP.
Vista, on the other hand, isn't coming from such a situation. The 9x line has long since been discontinued. Vista's SKU's are only competing against one predecessor: XP. New system buyers have a different choice than a few years ago: Proven XP, or Unproven Vista.
As far as I'm concerned, Vista isn't half bad. If there's a faulty driver, it will be brought to it's knees, but then again, so will XP. I'm running 2 machines and both have Vista as the OS, and thus far I've had only minimal problems.
Frink: Nice try floyd, but you were designed for scrubbing, and scrubbing is what you shall do.
The quicker M$ pisses people off, the better.
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Lots of anti-MS people will (after a bit of discussion) admit that XP is probably the best Windows ever.
Instead of capitalizing on that, Microsoft decides to take another route.
I am sure there are some really smart people in Microsoft, but it seems that people who are making some strategic decisions are retarded.
Funny, I'm a basic end user and I have no problem with backups. I have my music in
No, I don't think so. Not for me at least. I still prefer the kde-classic icon theme.
Works fine for me.
You can run any software that is written for Windows and it will work! That's what makes Windows wonderful.
No. Clearly you haven't installed much windows software or know much about how the API works, what parts of it work under which OS's. Just for example you can't run any windows software that uses DX5 specific calls under NT4. Just like there is no DX10 support for XP. Even outside of DirectX. It's trivial to find software that will install or run under one version of windows but not another.
Until there is a bullet-proof installation method - Linux will remain out of the SMB world.
Windows doesn't have a bullet-proof install method. It's not bad but please lets not play pretend.
Windows: You run the software you want, according to your business interests, but don't expect support for old software. You can't fix it yourself, and your clients will think you are weird for running Windows 3.11.
OSS: You run the software you want, according to your business interests, but don't expect support for old software. You can fix it yourself though, but you'll have to learn how to fix it. And your clients will think you are weird anyway.
Not much difference here. Let's bitch about MS on real issues. Ok, some imaginary ones are allowed from time to time. But you'll have to promise to keep your software updated!
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Linux sales and deployments are suddenly on the rise.
The copy I got from PirateBay of windows is slightly different than the one I use at my work computer. For instance, the copy I got from PirateBay turned out to be a French movie called "Taxi!"
If MS didn't do the stupid thing, that is the 'activation' I'd stayed with XP. I won't be forced to buy a new OS everytime I build a new system, especially if it's to replace a damaged or outdated machine. Priacy is one thing, but forcing people to buy your product that is going far too far. Yes, there's Linux; but the majority of Joe harddrive cannot install programs with it. OSX well you got the same problem; a proprotory OS. No, I'll stick with Win2k. Security? I honestly don't know how ZDnet and other places test security but with freeware tools, and using a bit of common sense I have very few problems. I'm just waiting till ReactOS comes out, then even Win2k is gone. - Kc
-- Kevin C. Redden kcredden@ gmail 392992
There's really only one question, which date should be the date to run Ctupdate for the final time? Before fire walling off XP or isolating it from the web.
If 4/8/2014 is the end, then should we run ctupdate on 3/8/2014 everyday until 4/8/2014, just in case the servers bog down with others with like ideas?
I shudder to thing about obscure drivers that we don't know about yet. Sort of like breaking things that were not broken. Vista is a pain in the ass just like HD is, it's a painful death of freedom. (my opinion)
heise Security c't Projekte
http://www.vulnerabilityassessment.co.uk/ctupdate.htm
v4.80
http://www.heise.de/ct/projekte/offlineupdate/download/ctupdate480.zip
Maybe one more question, with the economy shot, the switch to HD (add $1000 to $1500 for each mucking device, tv, converter, blue-ray burner, 3CCD equivalent HD camera, etc.), the attack on net neutrality, the destruction of communications and privacy, the investment in adobe, sony, etc. WHY would I want a higher costing machine, running slower, with an OS that won't do what the current one does now?
Even if we didn't do production, if all we did was watch tv on the internet, and work with audio, WHY would we want this extra cost with a crippled and DRM'd OS?
(Okay, that was three questions)
Maybe Microsoft would like to explain that?
Will MS allow activation of XP after the cutoff date? For example, if I buy 50 copies of XP to hold my business over for a year, will I be able to activate them later or are they going to just cut it off?
Having used MS support, I have very limited expectations. Fortunately (no pun intended), there are alternative, more-reliable sources for Microsoft support.
"Not an actor, but he plays one on TV."
It is called "Ubuntu." Look into it.
And yes, it is friendly to people migrating from Windows. That is sort of the point.
So you've updated to Vista without paying? Via Microsoft's servers? WOW. How'd u manage that?
Who cares about free downgrades?
paintball
You have no choice but to go the gallows with windows vista. Your boss will hate you, your
mother will hate you, your girlfriend will hate you. It's pirated XP or Linux tell I die.
Screw em. Screw-em all these multi-dollar programmers that don't know crap what a good OS is.
Screw-em I say.
It's pretty funny to see Slashdot, which spent over five years slamming XP as an epic failure, Microsoft's doom, the OS which would make people magically switch to Linux, etc, etc, etc... are now stating how freaking awesome XP is, and how Vista is an epic failure, Microsoft's doom, the OS which would make people magically switch to Linux, etc, etc, etc.
Meanwhile, Linux has had a pretty steady 0.65% marketshare for over ten years. Guess we see where the majority of the FOSS community's efforts have been: making inaccurate projections about Microsoft.
But hey, on the good side, at least Linux finally has more users than Windows 98. Give 'em another ten years, and they actually might end up beating XP.
Most of the software we use doesn't work correctly on Vista, hell sometimes it doesn't work correctly on XP after a patch. It will never be updated to run on Vista and is expensive, $5k-$40k per seat, depending upon the specific tool. Most of the vendors do provide ports to Linux and other nix versions.
Windows security is like some sort of absolute zero that a Linux user can only asymptotically approach with great and unnatural effort. You can take software from 2001, run everything as root, force your mail client to open everything and modify it to execute code. You can make a sort of fake activeX, you can even run IE if you want, but the results will still not be as bad as if you just started out with Windows with it's 2001 codebase and the can of malware/crapware supplied by your favorite vendors.
Political torture and murder is not funny http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=581079&cid=23757591
Given that one of the oldest sales tactics in the book is to create a sense of urgency, is it possible that MS fully intend to extend the deadline but will just keep quiet about it until 1 July? At the moment, there's a lot of people who intend to buy XP Pro by June 30. It's easy money. Just a thought...
One of these days I'm moving to Theory - everything works there
If you think you have trouble getting GNU/Linux to work on new hardware, just try XP. The situation will deteriorate more rapidly than usual thanks to vendor interest in GNU/Linux. Acer, Asus and others going the GNU/Linux route are going to drop XP like a hot potato.
Intellectual property was the desert property of the twenth century.
You'll have to take it out of my cold dead hands, you bloody apes!
Wow, Microsoft pulled a fast one on all of us, getting us to defend XP like this when only a few years back we demonized it. See you in a few years, defending against Vista's demise.
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
What makes you think M$ can fix itself? They were unable to make Vista in 7 years, do you think they can make anything that works in the next 2 to 4? I don't.
XP did not exactly fly off the shelf or offer much over 98SE/W2k either and should be considered a stumble along with ME. Vista is more of the same that proves nothing changes in Redmond.
Intellectual property was the desert property of the twenth century.
That is just another way for you to pay the Microsoft Tax.
Why should I pay for a license for Vista Business when what I want to run is Windows XP? Especially when I already own licenses for Windows XP?
It's not the grand Longhorn promise of a secure seamless powerful new architecture so it doesn't renew our indenture to this monopolist for another decade. Some few don't hit the pain points and can come to like it so they latch onto it like it's garlic at a vampire festival. It's going to be really hard to pry it away from those folks. It not quite lame enough to give a total pass -- there's always a chance with this tweak and that patch and the other workaround and all new hardware (again!) it might make a good golden image though that keeps not panning out so far. It has just the precise level of fail needed to cause the maximum amount of ire amongst purchasers of Microsoft products, leading them to ask "why, again, do we buy products from this company?" It has motivated far more people to see the hazard of single-sourcing your server and desktop architecture, particularly with this company as the source.
Vista just might be the product to free us from the clutches of this monster. So yeah, I'm starting to appreciate it in my own way. =)
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Remember: support for XP will be available through the year Jaguar-Basket-Jaguar-Snake.
Microsoft still doesn't understand its users. Because they can't answer one simple question: Why? Why do I NEED to upgrade from XP to Vista? What does Vista offer me that XP doesn't? Besides -200 to 400 bucks that I'd have to shell out. I don't have a powerful PC, and I have no reason to upgrade in the near future. Why? Because my machine I made back in 2003 still does EVERYTHING I need it to do: Webbrowsing Movies Music Email That's it. I don't need a new OS every 5 years to do that. Then microsoft wonders why people burn copies of their OS....
Just something that I feel I should point out: it's all relative. When XP first came out, there was ME and 2K (I was still on 98SE), to compare against it. Is seemed rock stable; I could go weeks without rebooting! It was still buggy, but not compared to 98SE, and ME. However, we're all used to XP SP2 these days. For all intents and purposes SP2 was an OS rewrite. The thing was huge and replaced a good deal of the underlying OS. XP SP2 is a stable, fast system. Pre SP2 just doesn't compare.
They did the undoable; replace an underlying system with a more stable system without breaking everything in the process. If you're a developer, you have to give them props for that (this is coming from a software development major who is also the president of a LUG, mind you!) regardless of what you think of the company itself. They're not going to pull that trick on the Vista codebase. They've lost too much talent since the start of development and no one ever understands a code base as well as the person who m designed it.
If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.
Absolutely not. I have a friend who works at MS who feels the same way. He feels Vista is just fine.
That's the problem though. It's just fine with no real reason to upgrade unless you're buying a new system. From what I see of my clients most of them are worried about keeping their jobs (Jobs? heh) and saving money, and the last thing on their mind is buying systems for their department or themselves.
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Is this one way for MS to push more business to the Big 4 during hard times and curry favor?
I know it sounds a little tinfoily (as in hats), but if they can just keep pushing back the date won't that just keep scaring more admins/IT managers to buy new systems?
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When ever I see a thread like this, I have to ask myself -- which operating system is most likely to be around in one form or another a century from now? Then ask -- how is it maintained? What business model is capable of supporting it? The best that I can come up with is that our descendants will still be reading threads like this.
Now go away, before I lose track of the decimal point on my slide rule.
Do not mock my vision of impractical footwear
MS should have no right to choose what we can and can use/want. Vista is pure trash and downgrades a PC. Just because you create a POS useless OS doesnt mean you should be able to jam it down our throat cause u made the last good OS.... When vista can use atleast 40-50% of the programs XP then then maybe you could claim it is an upgrade but that will never happen.
I mean its really like saying "Here is a PS10 and it will be able to play all playstations games from any of the previous PS consoles" and does not even play ps1-3 stuff and the ps5 games are only a potential new product(remember sega 32x) like the stuff MS seems to think we need.
only reason i can see is to make using PCs so unbearable to for gaming that one has to buy an xbox each few years n tones of the crap games they force feed you by the load. Not that it is a bad thing but im content with my PC the way it is. I do not feel the need to have to buy what MS says i have to(i.e a touch monitor for the new windows 7)
sigh when apple products are starting to look good something is going wrong...
I have three dead laptops, bought since 2002, all with legit copies of XP. I'm sure many other people have dead PCs that came with XP. Since it's not illegal to install XP, with that licence on another machine (or in my case, Parallels Desktop), I ain't worried. Plenty of used licences to go round,
To everyone bashing Vista, install SP1 first, please. It's not in the automatic updates, so you will actually have to google for it and install it manually. It fixed the file copying problem and if you revert to the 2000 theme, it works as well as 2000 used to work (if you apply a few tweaks).
If you want to bash Vista for something, bash it for removing the NTDVM and Win16 support from the 64-bit version, the weird versioning and language support, or maybe the lack of 100% backwards compatibility - bash it for something that's actually true, not pre-SP1 performance (which was abysmal, but HAS BEEN FIXED).
Not the post but when I look at every message you've ever posted.
Out of 132 posts, dating back to 17th January 2005, every message has been modded -1. All except for your first one which was 0, but at least it was flamebait.
That's quite impressive. At least you're consistent.
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I just switched to Ubuntu, and I'm fucking loving it.
You feel sleepy. Close your eyes. The opinions stated above are yours. You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise.
I believe for XP home there is an issue with the number of processor sockets supported - I believe single *processor* only is supported. I believe this is what the GP poster was referring to.
However as parent poster rightly points out, single processors with multiple cores are fully supported.
One point I found annoying with an XP Home machine recently - no GPEdit.msc therefore you don't appear to be able to get updates from a WSUS machine. Happy to be corrected if anyone knows a way around this though.
F_T
How can they claim statutory damages (which is a guess at what losses there have been without having to get the figures out of the dark, dank orifice) when even THEY refuse to take your money for it?
Linux support is far worse than Windows support.
It's harder for Linux users to mess up their machines but the monthly patches and frequent updates to the distributions (the whole OS changes every six months or so) is a nightmare to keep up with.
I never saw a Windows update yet which required me to manually recompile the webcam driver. I've spent months of my life recompiling webcam drivers for rooms full of Linux machines (cybercafes).
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If you're a big corporation with tens of thousands of machines, many of which will struggle with Vista, what does Vista bring to the table? Why should you spend tens of millions upgrading all those machines to Vista?
I can't think of a single good reason*.
When buying new machines, why would you want Vista on them instead of XP. Having to support two different operating systems is crazy.
[*] nb. XP CAN be locked down tight if you make an effort to do so and when users aren't expected to install their own software.
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If you are a web developer or server admin that uses XP Home, you've got bigger problems to worry about. How many XP Home users really need to join a domain or run a web server.
Only half kidding. No, really. Think about it. If they want us to believe that Vista has ended the need for XP, then they should have no fear opensourcing it, as it no longer represents any substantial value (except for those parts which were handed down to Vista, which can remain closed).
ID Software does it, so why not Microsoft?
Time to buy up as many copies of XP as I can afford and start hocking them with support services. ;)
(I can just imagine the fine print now:
"and if we can't solve your support issue we'll send you a free copy of Ubuntu Linux"..)
Ran Windows 98 with Win4Lin until about '05. XP runs adequately under qemu/kvm. When compelling app upgrades are Vista+ only, I'll have to care. Undoubtedly, that will be several years from now. Will there be adequate and compelling Photoshop, Illustrator and Flash alternatives by then?
Is it still "stealing" to pirate the software after they stop selling it? Thsi raises some questions regarding the morality of piracy.. Yarrrrgh, I'll see you landlubbers on the high seas.
you have to patch the tcpip.sys file because of the connection limit. i just hate the interface of vista and the constant nags about programs. the only 1 that is good is the ultimate but i rather use linux mce for lighting effects and no corporate colors. i'm willing to lose my game collection for linux. xp has spherexp and linux has beryl and i love the eye candy btw. sincerly, dude that drove many miles to beta test at microsoft (played oblivion) got a damn game for my time. p.s die evil bitch bastards die. not to mention the many backdoors vista has only something the great satan would do. 10am pdt firefox 3 http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/
That's ok, no skin off my back. I abandoned Microsoft last week and bought my first Mac (Macbook), and love it.
Bye Bye Vista
People didn't run Leopard at first because of a few incompatibilities. But those are pretty much ironed out now, and from launch Leopard has (as with every other release) run faster on my old systems than did the previous version, Tiger, at least on my older G5 hardware.
Also as noted, Snow Leopard being intel only is a rumor at this point, partly founded on the recent WWDC seed but still a rumor. And as it contains no new consumer features, that means modt people will continue to be able to use Leopard at software parity with Snow Leopard users for years to come, regardless of Snow Leopard's platform availability. The only thing Snow Leopard will really assist with is high performance stuff, where you'd want the newest system anyway and not use four or five year old systems to do heavy computation on a small set of systems!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
For those that continue to bash Vista. SP1 corrected alot of problems and with new hardware it runs very well. Hardware prices have come down so when you want to run Vista build or buy a machine capable of running it. Every OS is evolving and Vista has strong points. Gaming is one of them. Some games I have had laying around would not run in XP period. But they do in Vista X64 bit with no problem at all plus 4 gigs of ram make things sweet. With DDR2 that will cost you around 70 bucks if you know where to buy your ram. A 900 dollar machine ( I built) runs Vista premium 64 bit and boots in 30 seconds and plays all the latest games with no hiccups at all. And the driver support has gotten much better. Most of the problems with Vista were due to the hardware companies with their drivers. That too has been corrected. And for those that will troll and slam me as a Microsoft pushed far from it. I run Linux as well and love it for what it can do. Each OS has it's place on my systems and that will not go away. Enough FUDD.
I had Vista on 3 machines since the release. This past month I finally gave in and went back to XP.
Machine #1 (most powerful) Core2Duo, 3Ghz, 4GB Ram, SATA Raid. 512MB 8800GT. Occasionally Vista would slow down during file operations.
Machine #2 Athlon 64 2Ghz, 4GB Ram, 7200 rpm SATA. Machine becomes near unusable with Vista. X1650 256MB.
Machine #3 Laptop, Intel Centrino 1.86Ghz 4GB Ram, slow laptop drive. X700 256MB. This machine was unusable with Vista. XP works well on it.
Machine #4 Athlon X2 2Ghz 4GB Ram. Didn't even bother putting Vista on it.
One of these days, I intend on putting another hard drive into my machine, put Windoze on that drive, and use it exclusively for gaming.
Question: is it worth it to buy XP now, even if I won't be buying the extra HDD for another few months? I will not be putting Vista on the new HDD under any circumstances. Note that I intend to crack XP to disable activation.
Or should I just get a pirated copy with the activation already cracked?
So is the karma on most of your accounts.
Web2.0: I love when people Flickr my cuil and digg my boingboing until my google is reddit and I start to yahoo
willyhill and dedazo are the same person. Punish their trolling and make Slashdot a better place.
The truth is, it was foretold (in a way) by Bill Gates himself.
In his own words:
"If you can't make it good, at least make it look good." (emphasis mine)What he said then about the Win9x platforms is simply geometrically amplified in Vista.
Literally, they made something flawed at its core, but gave it a shiny veneer. (again) Vista has demonstrated that, while it has a keener "look" than XP, it contains no core advantages in either speed or effciency; especially when considering the steep increase in requirements. I mean, why would you buy a car with just as much horsepower, but uses twice as much gas?
In my mind, I envision a motivational poster hung in the executive washrooms at MS, framed in "gold-pressed latinum" (but actually aluminum with a metallic lacuqer) that hails the word, "PERCEPTION" and has that very quote beneath.
Beneath it is a shelf that holds an ample supply of shoe lacquer, foundation mask, spray-on hair, dark-blue sharpie pens, a rack of dickies and of course, a lifetime supply of turd polish.
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The above comment is clearly twitter having a hissy fit.
Please mod both me and the parent down so nobody has to read it.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
After all, you can't spell "bootlegit" without "legit"!
- RG>
Hey pal, this isn't a pleasantforest, so don't waste my time with pleasantries!
Maybe they can re-release XP "Classic" just like Coca-Cola Classic...
Seems to me like having a EV car and then downgrading to a GAS sucking waste of bloatness that nobody needs or wants. To what purpose is it other then to force one to buy sad excess for an upgrade your hardware to the max possible. Which you will need to run vista, and maybe if you buy 3gig of ram and the fasest CPU you can run games your old xp comp could run just fine... Unless of course it does not work with vista which is like60% of the time. Just like everything adapted to vista will most likely not work on windows 7. (apple rip off with smudge screen technology)